[08:26]  * peppe84 is away: 
[08:38] <nigelb> !away | peppe84
[08:59] <peppe84> nigelb, sorry. ok turn off away
[08:59]  * peppe84 is away: 
[08:59]  * peppe84 is back (gone 00:00:13)
[10:09] <udienz> !now
[10:11] <udienz> anyone come from Asia/Oceania Board?
[10:11] <nigelb> @now
[10:12] <nigelb> Looks like no meeting today either.
[10:13] <udienz> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar give me Asia/Oceania board meeting
[10:14] <nigelb> Its supposed to happen today, but the board hasn't really met since October I think
[10:15] <maqtanim> but here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[10:15] <maqtanim> it is mentioned today's date
[10:16] <udienz> nigelb: all board?
[10:16] <maqtanim> I am also waiting for the meeting
[10:16] <udienz> maqtanim: yes, today
[10:16] <nigelb> well, if the wiki mentions today, then I really hope it happens
[10:17] <udienz> maqtanim: let ask nhandler
[10:17] <nigelb> persia, lifeless ^^
[10:17] <udienz> and amachu :D
[10:19] <maqtanim> udienz:  nhandler is away :(
[10:23] <ogitux> meeting has been started yet?
[10:24] <maqtanim> ogitux: no sign of meeting :(
[10:24] <maqtanim> though it is 10:25 UTC
[10:24] <maqtanim> but no one from the board showed up
[10:26] <maqtanim> and there is another meeting of ubuntu-audio-dev team
[10:26] <maqtanim> at 11:00 UTC
[10:26] <maqtanim> so we've almost 30 minutes left
[10:28] <czajkowski> well there is an emea board meeting tonight if folks want to come to that
[10:29] <maqtanim> czajkowski: at what time?
[10:30] <takdir> Vantrax
[10:30] <Vantrax> Aye
[10:30] <czajkowski> maqtanim: 8pm utc
[10:30] <Vantrax> Finally managed to get on on my phone
[10:31] <nigelb> Better late than never ;)
[10:31] <takdir> we have meeting now but where is the others ?
[10:31] <Vantrax> I guess
[10:31] <Vantrax> I hate being late
[10:32] <Vantrax> Attendance has been poor
[10:32] <maqtanim> So nobody is here from the board?
[10:32] <Vantrax> Yes
[10:33] <Vantrax> Tak is here, elky is too
[10:33] <maqtanim> So what is the procedure of the meeting?
[10:33] <takdir> Vantrax, elky, persia
[10:34] <elky> hi
[10:34] <Vantrax> So we meet quorum
[10:34] <elky> i am in nz at the moment, sorry for being wonky on times
[10:34] <Vantrax> I think I have to start sending emails again
[10:35] <elky> if we have quorum, can we start, It's 23:35 here for me right now
[10:36] <Vantrax> We also need to keep the website updated to o
[10:36]  * udienz ready
[10:36] <Vantrax> Who has the list? I'm mobile atm
[10:37]  * maqtanim is ready
[10:37] <elky> ogitux
[10:37] <elky> ogitux, are you here?
[10:37] <Vantrax> You here?
[10:38] <elky> shani?
[10:38]  * nobuto is here
[10:38] <elky> shani has a responder script, so probably afk
[10:39] <Vantrax> Ok keep going
[10:39] <elky> maqtanim, is next in queue
[10:39] <maqtanim> yeah I am here
[10:40] <elky> then now would be when you paste your pre-prepared introduction.
[10:41] <maqtanim> I am Adnan Quaium. Currently I am studying in Technical Univ of Delft. Although I am not a IT professional or a software developer (I am actually an Electrical engineer), enthusiasm for Linux and Ubuntu brought me here in the Ubuntu community. I believe in Open-source philosophy. I am using Ubuntu and trying to spread Ubuntu within my local community.
[10:41] <ogitux> elky yes
[10:42] <Vantrax> We will come back to you
[10:43] <elky> maqtanim, What contributions are you basing your application on?
[10:44] <maqtanim> well I am regualr in my local IRC channel #UbuntuBD
[10:44] <maqtanim> I write Bangla tutorials and articles concerning Ubuntu and Linux to promote Ubuntu within the Bangladeshi users.
[10:44] <Vantrax> Links to pages?
[10:44] <maqtanim> http://www.linux.org.bd/post/author/ovroniil
[10:45] <maqtanim> Vantrax sorry which pages?
[10:46] <maqtanim> also I designed some bengali ubuntu promotional buttons
[10:46] <maqtanim> and designed posters for UBuntu release party
[10:46] <Vantrax> Your wiki page
[10:46] <maqtanim> Vantrax https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim
[10:49] <maqtanim> to be precisely ... my contributions can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim#My%20Contributions
[10:49] <takdir> maqtanim, do you have blog that tell your contributions?, maybe with some picture or photos ? ;)
[10:50] <maqtanim> We have a blog in Bangladesh Linux Users Alliances website
[10:50] <maqtanim> I published my works there
[10:50] <maqtanim> http://www.linux.org.bd/post/author/ovroniil
[10:50] <maqtanim> but those are written in Bengali
[10:51] <maqtanim> in Bangali online community I am known as ovroniil
[10:52] <Vantrax_> Sorry disconnected for a min there
[10:52]  * Ekushey is here to support maqtanim
[10:52] <maqtanim> Vantrax_  did you get my wiki page?
[10:52] <maqtanim> Ekushey thanks :)
[10:53] <Vantrax_> Yep, good page
[10:53] <maqtanim> Vantrax_  thanks :)
[10:55] <elky> where's the rest of our quorum?
[10:55] <Vantrax_> Reading his page, I'm good tho
[10:57] <udienz> elky: me
[10:57] <elky> udienz, do you have questions for him?
[10:57] <udienz> elky: not yet, i think maqtanim is a good contributor
[10:58] <maqtanim> udienz thanks :)
[10:59] <elky> ok, we usually try to avoid spending half of our meeting on a single person, so can we vote. I think we also risk going in to another meeting's time
[11:00]  * udienz waiting
[11:00] <Ekushey> being the founder of ubuntu-bd locoteam I can vouch for maqtanim -- if that counts
[11:00] <Ekushey> he made a tremendous contribution is many ways
[11:01] <udienz> Ekushey = Russel Jhon?
[11:01] <Ekushey> udienz hi mate! yes :)
[11:01] <udienz> ah.. hello Ekushey
[11:01]  * diwic is waiting for previous meeting to finish before starting the ubuntu-audio-dev meeting.
[11:01] <Vantrax_> Ok
[11:03] <elky> ugh, we didn't start the bot
[11:03] <elky> #startmeeting
[11:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:03. The chair is elky.
[11:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:03] <elky> [link]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim
[11:03] <MootBot> LINK received:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim
[11:04] <Vantrax> We have to vote and hand off. We will have to do the others next time
[11:04] <elky> [vote] maqtanim membership application
[11:04] <MootBot> Please vote on:  maqtanim membership application.
[11:04] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[11:04] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[11:04] <Vantrax> +1
[11:04] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[11:04] <elky> +1
[11:04] <MootBot> +1 received from elky. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[11:04] <takdir> +1
[11:04] <MootBot> +1 received from takdir. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[11:05] <Ekushey> ah cool, congrats maqtanim :)
[11:05] <elky> where's our fourth in the quorum?
[11:05] <elky> udienz?
[11:05] <Vantrax> Sorry to those we could not get to
[11:05] <maqtanim> thanks a lot guys :)
[11:06] <udienz> elky: i'm applicant
[11:06] <elky> oh, then why did you respond as quorum earlier?
[11:06] <czajkowski> ugh,
[11:06] <elky> this isn't done until we've had a quorum vote
[11:06] <Vantrax> We will get you next time or through our list if your wiki is strong enough
[11:07] <elky> nigelb?
[11:07] <Vantrax> Oh darn
[11:07] <elky> are you on the board yet?
[11:08] <maqtanim> is there a member short in quoram?
[11:08] <Vantrax> Not yet but im working on it
[11:08] <czajkowski> this does seem to be rather poorly organised folks.
[11:08] <czajkowski> not very fair on applicants.
[11:09] <Vantrax> Nope, and its an ongoing problem with this board
[11:10] <elky> which we've been trying to fix since it's inception.
[11:10] <Vantrax> Has always been a problem with this board
[11:10] <Vantrax> Makes me pull my hair out
[11:11] <Ekushey> ummm so what happens now?
[11:11] <elky> we try to find someone on membership board who can cast the final vote.
[11:12] <Vantrax> We process what we	 can	via	the mailing list and notify aplicants and da
[11:12] <Ekushey> I guess that can be done via email? I see +3 :)
[11:12] <elky> i don't think that's published proceedure I'm afraid
[11:12] <Vantrax> And deal with the rest next time
[11:12] <elky> Ekushey, yes, but a -1 would null that.
[11:12] <jussi> o/
[11:13] <Vantrax> It can be done
[11:13] <Ekushey> elky oh sorry I wasn't aware of that
[11:13] <elky> jussi, can you refer to the scrollback and decide on maqtanim
[11:13] <jussi> wait, reading :)
[11:13] <Vantrax> Danke
[11:15] <elky> Ekushey, it's rare to need less than +3, and rare for a quorum less than 4, for obvious reasons.
[11:15] <Vantrax> From discussions on the cc list it looks like you can vote via mailing list
[11:16] <elky> Vantrax, is it on a wiki page somewhere yet though?
[11:16] <jussi> yes, the vote should go to the ML, then the applicant is approved based on the ML approval.
[11:16] <Vantrax> I think we do that for those that turned up where possible
[11:16] <Ekushey> good idea
[11:17] <diwic> elky, are you long from finished? Perhaps we should have the ubuntu-audio-dev meeting in another channel or so
[11:17] <elky> diwic, we are waiting on jussi casting a vote I think
[11:17] <Vantrax> Anyway, jussi can give a +1
[11:18] <jussi> elky: I am not comfortable giving a +1 at this time - why not just take it to the ML?
[11:18] <elky> #endvote
[11:18] <Vantrax> We are done, sorry to messyou around
[11:18] <elky> [endvote[
[11:18] <elky> [endvote]
[11:18] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3
[11:18] <elky> #endmeeting
[11:18] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 05:18.
[11:18] <jussi> and isnt 3 +1's enough for the quorum - dont you have 5 people in the board?
[11:18] <Vantrax> Ill send out an email when I get home
[11:19] <diwic> ok, let's start ubuntu-audio-dev meeting then
[11:19] <diwic> #startmeeting
[11:19] <MootBot> Meeting started at 05:19. The chair is diwic.
[11:19] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[11:19] <elky> jussi, 4 is a quorum
[11:19] <Vantrax> Sadly more
[11:19] <jussi> k
[11:19] <ronoc> good morning all
[11:19] <diwic> [TOPIC] Anything in particular we want to discuss?
[11:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Anything in particular we want to discuss?
[11:20] <diwic> [TOPIC] PulseAudio 0.9.22
[11:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  PulseAudio 0.9.22
[11:20] <TheMuso> Yes, the seemingly former pulse debian maintainer has put out a call for people to join pkg-pulse and help.
[11:20] <udienz> Asia - Oceania RMB is ended?
[11:20]  * TheMuso has submitted a request to join.
[11:20] <ronoc> TheMuso, what kind of help ?
[11:20] <TheMuso> ronoc: Packaging.
[11:20] <awolfson> hi
[11:20] <ronoc> grand
[11:21] <ronoc> TheMuso, I was hoping to get around to doing a pulse module before xmas
[11:21] <ronoc> which fades volumes on mute action
[11:21] <TheMuso> ronoc: Cool.
[11:21] <diwic> TheMuso, so will PulseAudio-stable-queue be maintained in Debian and flow down to Ubuntu?
[11:21] <TheMuso> Does that not need volume ramping?
[11:21] <ronoc> i have some gdbus port work before then but next week is looking likely
[11:21] <TheMuso> diwic: Long term, yes that would be good.
[11:22] <TheMuso> It all depends on how often I can get sponsorship for Debian.
[11:22] <ronoc> TheMuso, i don't know, I would like to circumvent the click which happens now when mute is triggered
[11:22] <diwic> TheMuso, hmm, perhaps applying for DM isn't that hard
[11:23] <TheMuso> diwic: Probably not, but I'd need some work under my belt in Debian first though.
[11:24] <diwic> TheMuso, but this maintainership in Debian, is it something you feel you'll handle yourself or are you looking for help from one of us?
[11:24] <rodrigo_> about pa-0.9.22, I pushed TheMuso's package to a PPA for maverick, and diwic and I discussed about probably having an official PPA, so should we have that PPA?
[11:25] <TheMuso> diwic: I'll likely handle it myself, but help is always welcome.
[11:25] <rodrigo_> the temp PPA is https://launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa
[11:25] <TheMuso> rodrigo_: The ubuntu-audio-dev PPAs are as official as it gets. :)
[11:25] <TheMuso> You should have upload access.
[11:25] <rodrigo_> oh, didn't know about it
[11:25] <TheMuso> There is a PPA for maverick and lucid.
[11:26] <diwic> TheMuso, right, so we should push 0.9.22 to the standard u-a-d ppa
[11:26] <rodrigo_> oh, cool, will upload it latert then
[11:26] <ronoc> i must down grade actually, I still have the trunk ppa from just after orlando
[11:26] <TheMuso> diwic: Yeah, sounds like rodrigo_ will take care of it.
[11:26] <TheMuso> ronoc: Yeah we need to set up daily builds of git master at some point.
[11:26] <diwic> TheMuso, sounds good
[11:27] <ronoc> TheMuso, was not the decision taken to stick with stable queue
[11:27] <ronoc> ?
[11:27] <rodrigo_> yes, uploading as we speak
[11:27] <TheMuso> ronoc: Yes, but daily builds of git master are still useful for testing.
[11:28] <diwic> ronoc, about the click, that can be more difficult than it looks like; sometimes its unavoidable as there are external amplifiers turning on and off
[11:28] <ronoc> TheMuso, sure
[11:28] <diwic> ronoc, but there was an interesting patch which I think is in master about reducing volume very quickly to avoid loudness bumps for automatic gain control
[11:28] <ronoc> diwic, I know but some investigation would be a useful exercise at least so the next time somebody rocks up a uds and goes on about the click I will have a story to tell :)
[11:29] <ronoc> diwic, cool, can you point me towards it ?
[11:29] <diwic> ronoc, sure, remind me after the meeting and I'll try to look it up
[11:29] <ronoc> will do
[11:30] <diwic> [TOPIC] module-jackdbus-detect
[11:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  module-jackdbus-detect
[11:30]  * diwic has written a PA module :-)
[11:30] <ronoc> excellent
[11:30] <rodrigo_> cool
[11:30] <TheMuso> And its in stable queue.
[11:30] <diwic> It detects when jackdbus is running and starts jack sink and jack source
[11:30] <TheMuso> Well the first patch is.
[11:31] <ronoc> diwic, on launchpad ?
[11:31] <diwic> TheMuso, I went with the modifying-Makefile.in approach
[11:31] <TheMuso> diwic: cool.
[11:31] <diwic> TheMuso, painful but it worked
[11:32] <diwic> ronoc, Pulseaudio in my ppa has the module enabled
[11:32] <diwic> the open question is the second patch, if we want to enable it by default or not
[11:33] <ronoc> okay so exactly this allows pulse to sit on top of jack ?
[11:33] <TheMuso> diwic: Exposing through paprefs does sound useful though.
[11:33] <diwic> and if so, if we want to just present the source/sink or autoconnect it to jack soundcard ports
[11:33] <diwic> ronoc, that's already possible, but this automates the possibility
[11:34] <ronoc> diwic, okay, how is the performance ?
[11:34] <diwic> TheMuso, so you're for the paprefs approach, other opinions?
[11:35] <diwic> ronoc, hmm, good enough I assume?
[11:35] <ronoc> diwic, TheMuso , paprefs sounds good, I would need to play with it to see how it may be used
[11:36] <diwic> ronoc, so in my version it starts on PA startup
[11:36] <rodrigo_> paprefs is not installed by default, btw
[11:36] <ronoc> good point
[11:37] <rodrigo_> so, what are you exposing in paprefs, sorry?
[11:37] <diwic> rodrigo_, a checkbox whether to enable the module or not
[11:37] <rodrigo_> hmm, ok
[11:37] <rodrigo_> doesn't sound to user-friendly to have it in gnome-volume-control I guess
[11:38] <diwic> rodrigo_, naah, it's not that mainstream IMO
[11:38] <diwic> anyway, since this only works with the dbus-enabled version of jack, it might make sense to switch to that version by default in Natty, do you agree?
[11:39] <ronoc> yup
[11:39] <rodrigo_> +1
[11:39] <TheMuso> Jackd2 s already the default.
[11:39] <diwic> Anybody wanna look into qjackctl enabling the dbus mode by default as well?
[11:40] <diwic> Are there more common jack control apps we should have a look at?
[11:40] <TheMuso> That shouldn't be hard, just a patch to the qjackctl source.
[11:41] <ronoc> I could try next week perhaps, depending on work load, playlists may land in banshee and if so I need to do my side of things
[11:41] <diwic> I can look into it myself if you like
[11:41] <ronoc> if you have time that would be great
[11:42] <diwic> we should also merge the jackdbus patch
[11:42] <TheMuso> Yeah I will update to latest stable queue tomorrow I think./
[11:42] <diwic> I was also thinking of announcing it on ubuntu-studio ML, perhaps to ask for opinions there as well
[11:43] <diwic> TheMuso, sounds good
[11:43] <ronoc> diwic, good idea
[11:44] <diwic> [ACTION] diwic to look into qjackctl -> enable dbus by default
[11:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  diwic to look into qjackctl -> enable dbus by default
[11:44] <diwic> [ACTION] TheMuso to package latest stable-queue in Natty
[11:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  TheMuso to package latest stable-queue in Natty
[11:44] <ronoc> are people on natty already ?
[11:44] <diwic> no
[11:44] <rodrigo_> I am
[11:44] <ronoc> stable ?
[11:45] <TheMuso> Yes.
[11:45] <TheMuso> natty here
[11:45] <rodrigo_> well, not fully up-to-date, just update the packages I need
[11:45] <rodrigo_> but yes, quite stable
[11:45] <ronoc> how has banshee been behaving ?
[11:45] <rodrigo_> ronoc, playing music with it right now :)
[11:45] <rodrigo_> ronoc, no problems so far
[11:45] <rodrigo_> not sure I have the very latest though, let me check
[11:45] <ronoc> i have noticed some funnies on maverick but this could be to do with my git master pa
[11:46] <rodrigo_> yes, up to date
[11:46] <ronoc> stream stopping mid stream and then resuming a few seconds later
[11:46] <ronoc> could be a number of things though
[11:46] <rodrigo_> hmm, now that I remember, I sometimes get, as in maverick, the crippling sound
[11:47] <ronoc> crippling sound ?
[11:47] <rodrigo_> that is, playing something, then it starts crippling, and then you stop playback for a while, and resume and it works
[11:47] <rodrigo_> it also happens on totem though
[11:47]  * diwic notices yet another name for how sound can be broken.
[11:47] <rodrigo_> so seems a gstreamer/pa issue
[11:47] <rodrigo_> well, not sure if that's the correct word :)
[11:48] <ronoc> rodrigo_, ah okay understood,  there are few gremlins between gstreamer and pa
[11:48] <ronoc> pa_stream_size_write_failed etc
[11:48] <rodrigo_> ok
[11:48] <diwic> ...which brings us to the next topic
[11:49] <ronoc> bugs ?
[11:49] <diwic> [TOPIC] Any bugs to look out for and allocate resources for solving
[11:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any bugs to look out for and allocate resources for solving
[11:49] <diwic> Just to inform, I've started looking into fighting rewinds
[11:49] <TheMuso> Haven't really ben paying attention with bugs recently.
[11:50] <ronoc> I haven't noticed anything startling, and have been focusing on dev as opposed to bug hunting
[11:50] <diwic> Seems like abnormal number of rewinds is one of the most common reasons sounds is stuttering in PA or PA crashes
[11:50] <ronoc> diwic, right so this related to that dvd playback bug ?
[11:51] <ronoc> that one totem often gets blamed for
[11:51] <rodrigo_> diwic, yes, seems so
[11:51] <diwic> Unfortunately this problem is quite complex
[11:51] <ronoc> i would imagine
[11:51] <diwic> Both gstreamer and PA are doing things in an inoptimal ways, and sometimes it "tips over"
[11:52] <diwic> and less CPU power means more likely to "tip over"
[11:52] <diwic> i e trigger the bug
[11:52] <diwic> ronoc, I'm not really familiar with any one-and-only dvd playback bug, perhaps you can point me to it
[11:54] <TheMuso> I gotta bail shortly guys, gotta get to bed.
[11:54] <diwic> TheMuso, ok, we'll speed up a little
[11:54] <diwic> [TOPIC] Anything in particular we've been working on the previous week
[11:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Anything in particular we've been working on the previous week
[11:54] <ronoc> gdbus port of the mpris backend for the sound service
[11:55] <ronoc> removal of libindicate from the registration process for media players who wish to be used in the menu
[11:55] <ronoc> branch merged
[11:55] <diwic> I've been writing module-jackdbus-detect, and started looking into the rewind stuff. Other than that, it's been quite a lot of hwe (hardware enablement) activities.
[11:56] <diwic> Actually I've started writing some on the audio apport symptom too
[11:57] <rodrigo_> I've started packaging ossproxy, as discussed in last meeting, no luck so far, the official tarball doesn't even compile, I think because it needs a newer libfuse, but not sure yet, I have been off for national holidays since Thursday, so will be back to it later
[11:57] <diwic> But it's far from complete
[11:57] <TheMuso> rodrigo_: Interesting. If I get some time, I'll take a look myself.
[11:57] <rodrigo_> also, I started looking at diwic's apport stuff, and looking at docs for how to show an image on the dialog
[11:58] <rodrigo_> TheMuso, I'll push my packaging branch later on, so that you cna pick up from there, ok?
[11:58] <ronoc> diwic, rodrigo_ , is it not just a gconf setting
[11:58] <TheMuso> rodrigo_: Sounds good.
[11:58] <ronoc> a button on the UI "report problem"
[11:58] <rodrigo_> ronoc, oh, is it?
[11:58] <ronoc> just trying to remember what we said at uds
[11:59] <diwic> ronoc, what is a gconf setting?
[11:59] <ronoc> diwic, an easy way to expose an option on the UI
 pitti, is there any way to show an image in apport dialogs, from a symptom module?
 rodrigo_: not right now, I'm afraid
[12:00] <ronoc> diwic, rodrigo_ I can find out for next week
[12:00] <diwic> rodrigo_, it's just a nice to have; so maybe we don't need to make that a priority at the moment
[12:00] <ronoc> i will take this action
[12:00] <rodrigo_> ronoc, the image in apport action, you mean?
[12:01] <rodrigo_> diwic, yes, sure
[12:01] <TheMuso> Ok anything else?
[12:01] <ronoc> rodrigo_, the updating of the g-v-c so as a button is on the dialog saying 'report problem'
[12:01] <ronoc> which then brings you to the apport symptoms dialgo
[12:01] <ronoc> og
[12:02] <rodrigo_> ronoc, ah, ok
[12:02] <ronoc> sorry getting mixed up
[12:02] <diwic> [TOPIC] Anything in particular we plan to do the coming week
[12:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Anything in particular we plan to do the coming week
[12:02] <rodrigo_> np :)
[12:02] <diwic> [ACTION] ronoc to look into g-v-c to add button to trigger audio apport symptom
[12:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ronoc to look into g-v-c to add button to trigger audio apport symptom
[12:02] <ronoc> finish off this gdbus port, if playlists land, work on my side of the playlists mpris carry on, and ^
[12:03] <TheMuso> Update pulse in natty to latest stable queue.
[12:03] <diwic> I'll like have a lot of hwe activity but if time permits, continue on rewind and audio apport symtpom
[12:03] <TheMuso> Try and make time to look at ossproxy.
[12:03] <awolfson> diwic, I hope to have free cycles after New Year to get involved in apport
[12:03] <rodrigo_> finish ossproxy packaging, get pitti to let me know what would be needed in apport for showing the image
[12:03] <diwic> awolfson, sounds good
[12:04] <diwic> ok, anything else?
[12:04] <TheMuso> not from me
[12:04] <ronoc> not from me
[12:04] <diwic> oh, next meeting
[12:04] <diwic> My calendar applet is a little strange but it looks like two-weeks-from-now, this time, is busy
[12:05]  * TheMuso will not be here on the 21st, I have leave that I am taking from the 16th.
[12:05]  * awolfson hopes he will in Carribean on vacation
[12:06] <awolfson> 19-26
[12:06] <ronoc> sounds nice
[12:06] <TheMuso> So you guys feel free to go ahead and make a time.
[12:06] <ronoc> beats ireland in December
[12:06] <ronoc> next week, same time is good for me
[12:06] <TheMuso> yeah I can do this time next week.
[12:07] <ronoc> TheMuso, do you want it earlier ?
[12:07] <TheMuso> ronoc: no its fine.
[12:07] <ronoc> grand
[12:07] <diwic> ping
[12:07] <TheMuso> pong
[12:08] <TheMuso> anyway guys, gotta run.
[12:08] <ronoc> grand talk later luke
[12:08] <rodrigo_> I'm off next week
[12:08] <diwic> ping?
[12:08] <TheMuso> well perhaps this is the last meeting for the year, and we have one first week back in January, i.e  the 3rd.
[12:09] <TheMuso> diwic: connection troubles?
[12:09] <awolfson> diwic, So when is the next meeting? You will post on the list?
[12:09] <TheMuso> sorry, the 4th
[12:09] <ronoc> yup 4th
[12:09] <diwic> TheMuso, yes
[12:10] <diwic> 4th january works for me
[12:10] <TheMuso> Sounds good.
[12:10] <TheMuso> Ok really off now.
[12:10] <ronoc> 4th it is, meeting done ?
[12:10] <diwic> ok
[12:10] <diwic> #endmeeting
[12:10] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 06:10.
[12:10] <rodrigo_> ok
[12:10] <ronoc> talk soon guys
[12:11] <ronoc> diwic, that pa module sounds interesting, could you ping me a location whenever you get a moment
[12:12] <diwic> ronoc, so if you want to test it, it's in my ppa (just install the pulseaudio and pulse-module-jack packages)
[12:12] <diwic> ronoc, if you want to see the source, it's here:
[12:13] <ronoc> diwic, I would like to test your work but also take a look at the volume adjustment module you mentioned
[12:13] <diwic> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2010-December/008347.html
[12:13] <diwic> so for the volume adjustment stuff, let me see...
[12:15] <diwic> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2010-October/008006.html <- here's where the discussion starts off. I'm not sure it's merged in master, it's unlikely merged in stable-queue
[12:16] <ronoc> diwic, thx checking now
[15:52] <zul> elo
[15:55] <smoser> ole
[15:59] <ttx> o/
[15:59] <nijaba> o/
[16:01] <Daviey> \o/
[16:01] <zul> there is a meeting now isnt it?
[16:01] <smoser> I'll be back on ~ 35 minutes from now.
[16:01] <smoser> there is a meeting. kirkland is to scribe (for me)
[16:01] <smoser> later all
[16:01] <kirkland> howdy
[16:02] <kirkland> right, i'll scribe
[16:02] <kirkland> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is kirkland.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <kirkland> agenda is at
[16:02] <kirkland> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:03] <kirkland> [topic] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <kirkland> ALL: please check the SRU tracker http://people.canonical.com/~chucks/SRUTracker/sru-tracker-bugs.html for 'needs-verification' bugs
[16:03] <kirkland> anything to say about this?
[16:04] <kirkland> alrighty ...
[16:04] <kirkland> robbiew to review ServerTeam wiki
[16:04] <kirkland> robbiew: had fun reading the wiki?
[16:04] <robbiew> heh
[16:04] <robbiew> still sorting
[16:04] <robbiew> but I got the status page up
[16:04] <robbiew> :)
[16:04] <kirkland> robbiew: \o/
[16:04] <robbiew> https//wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:05] <kirkland> [link] https//wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https//wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:05] <robbiew> thnx :/
[16:05] <kirkland> robbiew: carry this one to next week, or call it done?
[16:06] <robbiew> carry it
[16:06] <kirkland> robbiew: cool
[16:06] <robbiew> keeps me on my toes
[16:06] <kirkland> SpamapS to email a concrete proposal for addressing SRU verification backlog
[16:06] <kirkland> spamaps is not around
[16:06] <Daviey> kirkland: Just a quick one from the previous topic.... do you know when AA's are next looking at Lucid SRU's in the queue?
[16:06] <kirkland> carry over
[16:06] <kirkland> Daviey: I do not
[16:07] <kirkland> Daviey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration
[16:07] <kirkland> Daviey: that's the schedule
[16:07] <kirkland> Daviey: i'm on patchpilot tomorrow, so i'll probably not have time to do AA stuff
[16:07] <kirkland> Kernel team to follow up on bug 661294
[16:07] <Daviey> dang it. thanks
[16:08] <kirkland> smb: any news on 661294 ?
[16:08] <kirkland> jj-afk: smb: around?
[16:08] <smb> kirkland, Not really as I got involved into another nfs bug
[16:09] <smb> bug 683938
[16:09] <kirkland> smb: okay, assigned to you;  suppose we'll carry over to next week then
[16:09] <SpamapS> o/
[16:09] <hggdh> bug 684304
[16:09] <hggdh> bloody hell. Sorry
[16:09] <kirkland> SpamapS is here now
[16:09] <kirkland> i'll go back a few items...
[16:09] <kirkland> SpamapS to email a concrete proposal for addressing SRU verification backlog
[16:10] <kirkland> SpamapS: done?
[16:10] <SpamapS> Yes indeed.
[16:10] <smb> hggdh, Last time I looked there were lots of questions I believe
[16:10] <kirkland> SpamapS: okay.  and
[16:10] <kirkland> SpamapS to setup trend line for server team natty work items
[16:10] <kirkland> SpamapS: done?
[16:10] <SpamapS> sorry for the tardiness.. this time is proving nearly impossible for me to hit. :(
[16:11] <SpamapS> yes trendline is set at 392
[16:11] <kirkland> SpamapS: can you hit me with a couple of urls?
[16:11] <kirkland> SpamapS: for the log
[16:11] <SpamapS> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server.html
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server.html
[16:11] <SpamapS> The other graphs still use ttx's inverted chart with its automatic line, so no need to reset those
[16:12] <kirkland> SpamapS: cool, do you have a link to your email thread from the mailing list archive?
[16:12] <SpamapS> kirkland: I'll dig one up.. feel free to move on if you don't want to wait, will just be a minute
[16:12] <kirkland> SpamapS: sure, thanks
[16:12] <kirkland> JamesPage to arrange URL for Hudson CI Server
[16:13] <kirkland> JamesPage to arrange URL for Hudson CI Server
[16:13] <kirkland> JamesPage: howdy ;-)  reviewing last week's items
[16:13] <kirkland> JamesPage: ^ was on you
[16:13] <JamesPage> kirkland: still in progress.... - please carry forwards
[16:13] <kirkland> JamesPage: got it, thanks.
[16:13] <kirkland> [topic] Natty Development
[16:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty Development
[16:13] <SpamapS> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2010-November/004876.html
[16:14] <kirkland> robbiew: this one is yours, presumably?
[16:14] <kirkland> SpamapS: thanks
[16:15] <robbiew> heh...indeed
[16:15] <robbiew> but given I just put the wiki page together last night
[16:15] <robbiew> I don't have much atm :/
[16:15] <kirkland> robbiew: alrighty ...
[16:15] <robbiew> but next week...watch out!!!
[16:15] <kirkland> robbiew: worth mentioning that we just released Alpha1 last week, I think
[16:16] <kirkland> quick poll, who here is already running Natty on their primary desktop?
[16:16] <kirkland> o/
[16:16] <robbiew> o/
[16:16] <zul> or primary server
[16:16] <robbiew> and on their desktop...and netbook \o/
[16:16] <kirkland> zul: jumping the gun.... i was getting to that :-)
[16:16] <SpamapS> in a vm o/  ;)
[16:16] <hggdh> o/
[16:16] <robbiew> and thankful we have the failsafe login *\o/*
[16:16] <JamesPage> only in a vm
[16:17] <zul> on my server yes ;)
[16:17] <Daviey> o/
[16:17] <kirkland> alrighty... now for zul's question ... who's running natty a1 in a server?
[16:17] <Daviey> o/
[16:17] <kirkland> o/ (in a instance in EC2 -- proxying my web traffic)
[16:17] <hggdh> installing now
[16:17] <kirkland> nice!
[16:17] <kirkland> okay, everyone here running natty rocks :-)
[16:17] <robbiew> not yet...I need to buy hardware...but that's coming soon ;)
[16:18] <Daviey> robbiew virtualise baby!
[16:18] <kirkland> [topic] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:18] <kirkland> hggdh: yo
[16:18] <hggdh> yes
[16:18] <hggdh> I have another blocker on UEC testing
[16:18] <hggdh> bug 684304
[16:19] <hggdh> the test rig is currently unusable for Natty
[16:19] <kirkland> hggdh: bummer, okay
[16:19] <kirkland> hggdh: so you need Daviey or someone to triage that?
[16:19] <SpamapS> hggdh: is that an HP proliant?
[16:20] <zul> hggdh: i inted to look at the testing scripts this week for openstack testing as well
[16:20] <hggdh> yes, it is an HP machine, proliant, I think
[16:20] <hggdh> Daviey: you could look into it, but it sounds like a kernel bug
[16:20] <kirkland> hggdh: ah, yes, i see it's more kernel-ish than eucalyptus-ish
[16:20] <SpamapS> hggdh: I have a friend with a rack full of those (DL380's and DL320's of various generations), many unprovisioned.. if you need some testing I can probably get it going.
[16:21] <kirkland> hggdh: i assumed euca when you said it was blocking your uec test rig
[16:21] <kirkland> hggdh: i'll assign that bug to smb
[16:21] <hggdh> SpamapS: if they could confirm it it would be marvelous
[16:21] <SpamapS> hggdh: alpha1 ?
[16:21] <hggdh> SpamapS: yes
[16:21] <SpamapS> hggdh: I'll have him grab the iso today.
[16:21] <SpamapS> kirkland: action item?
[16:21] <smb> hggdh, I saw there is some more info now.
[16:21] <hggdh> kirkland: *this* time, it is not euca ;-)
[16:22] <smb> hggdh, Need to find out whether the pci ids show up in lspci on natty
[16:22] <kirkland> SpamapS: you want an action item to talk to your friend?
[16:22] <hggdh> smb: will try now
[16:23] <kirkland> [action] spamaps to talk to his friend to try and get more info on Bug #684304
[16:23] <MootBot> ACTION received:  spamaps to talk to his friend to try and get more info on Bug #684304
[16:23] <kirkland> hggdh: anything else?
[16:23] <kirkland> any questions for hggdh ?
[16:23] <SpamapS> kirkland: yeah I don't talk to my friends without action items. ;)
[16:23] <hggdh> nothing more from me
[16:23] <kirkland> SpamapS: alright dude, you got one :-P
[16:24] <kirkland> [topic] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:24] <kirkland> smb: howdy :-)  your nick has come up a few times already :-)
[16:24] <smb> hi
[16:24] <hggdh> smb: lspci output added in the bug
[16:24] <smb> Unfortunately. :-P
[16:25] <smb> hggdh, Ok, thanks. I think i saw something in the dmesg too
[16:25] <kirkland> smb: anything you need to share with us?
[16:25] <kirkland> smb: looks like we have two bugs we need you to look into
[16:25] <smb> not sure why the module does not get assigned
[16:25] <smb> kirkland, There is likely the one nfs bug I cannot reproduce (copying large amounts of data)
[16:26] <smb> and the other one I can (repeat to try to mount a share with authentication denied crash)
[16:26] <kirkland> smb: cannot reproduce because it's hard to reproduce, or because you don't have the required setup?
[16:26] <smb> kirkland, because it does not crash on my setup
[16:26] <smb> or hang
[16:27] <smb> I have copied tons of data from lucid server to maverick client without problems on my gigabit ethernet
[16:27] <kirkland> smb: interesting, okay
[16:27] <SpamapS> smb: I've been watching the comments. Seems like there are 3 separate testers who have it happening, but no clear correlation as to why or when it dies.
[16:27] <smb> Before I got sucked into the other bug
[16:27] <kirkland> smb: well, leave it open/new/unconfirmed until we can figure out a reproduce case
[16:28] <smb> I was about to ask/help to create a wireshark log
[16:28] <kirkland> smb: anything else we need to know about?
[16:28] <kirkland> smb: 2.6.37 seems to be working well for me :-)
[16:29] <smb> hm, there is possible an upstream solution for the i386 crashes of natty ec2
[16:29] <smb> t1.micro still needing some solution
[16:29] <smb> We need to revert some patches for the hd device name for compat with other xen cases
[16:30] <kirkland> smb: cool
[16:30] <smb> I guess thats all I currently can think o
[16:30] <smb> of
[16:31] <kirkland> smb: thanks
[16:31] <kirkland> [topic] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team (sommer)
[16:31] <kirkland> sommer: howdy
[16:31] <kirkland> sommer: around?  anything for us?
[16:31] <Daviey> hmm
[16:31] <sommer> hey all, apologies for not being around last couple of weeks
[16:31] <Daviey> he said he should be here today.
[16:31] <sommer> :-)
[16:31] <zul> sommer: congrats btw
[16:31] <Daviey> \o/
[16:32] <sommer> thanks
[16:32] <Daviey> good to see you sommer
[16:32] <sommer> I don't really have anything for this meeting, but should get back into the swing of things and have some updates for next week
[16:32] <kirkland> sommer: cool, thanks
[16:32] <kirkland> [topic] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Weekly Updates & Questions for the Ubuntu Community Team (kim0)
[16:32] <sommer> you too Daviey
[16:32] <kirkland> kim0 is not around ...
[16:33] <kirkland> i can say on his behalf that he launched http://cloud.ubuntu.com/ this week
[16:33] <kirkland> [link] http://cloud.ubuntu.com/
[16:33] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cloud.ubuntu.com/
[16:33] <kirkland> the magnificent cloud portal -- one stop shopping for all ubuntu/cloud related news in the universe
[16:33] <kirkland> talk to kim0 if you want your cloud-related blog posts aggregated there
[16:34] <kirkland> [topic] Open Discussion
[16:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:34] <SpamapS> Cool..
[16:34]  * SpamapS tweets cloud.ubuntu.com
[16:34] <kirkland> anything free and open that we need to talk about?
[16:34] <RoAkSoAx> Cluster Stack Update: Pacemaker and cluster-glue's libraries were successfully split into their own binary packages. Most changes/improvements have been forwarded to Debian (I'm hoping the maintainer will adopt them soon). However there was a hold up of packages waiting to be accepted, in the NEW queue, however it was resolved few days ago. I've already updated the MIRs and already ping'd people to get this done ASAP, so we should have all thes
[16:34] <zul> i want to bring something up
[16:34] <zul> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-install-service
[16:34] <zul> ^^^ we been discussing this internally and would like to get some feedback from the community
[16:35] <SpamapS> RoAkSoAx: rock on!
[16:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: excellent
[16:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: (looks like the end of your statement got cut off)
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> :);)
[16:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: "should have all the..."
[16:35] <RoAkSoAx> so we should have all these packages in Main pretty soon. I'll  continue to ping people to speed up the process though!
[16:36] <Daviey> \o/
[16:36] <RoAkSoAx> alright, copy pasting bug I guess ;)
[16:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: great, thanks;  i presume you'll blog about it, and announce it here in this meeting in the next few weeks?
[16:36] <SpamapS> zul: Should we blog/send that to the mailing list?
[16:36] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Do you have a list of the MIR's you are waiting for?
[16:36] <zul> SpamapS: i would send it to the mailing list
[16:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: yes I'll announce it as soon as they hit Main
[16:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: great thanks
[16:37] <Daviey> Are we intending to seed these RoAkSoAx ?
[16:37] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: pacemaker and cluster-glue
[16:37] <kirkland> zul: okay, cool ... so install service...  discuss on the mailing list then?
[16:37] <kirkland> zul: or did you want to talk about it here?
[16:37] <zul> kirkland: yep
[16:37] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: there are in component-mismatches
[16:37] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Great!
[16:37] <kirkland> zul: okay, so you'll post something to the mailing list?
[16:37] <zul> kirkland: probably :)
[16:38] <kirkland> [action] zul to request feedback on the install-service blueprint to the mailing list
[16:38] <MootBot> ACTION received:  zul to request feedback on the install-service blueprint to the mailing list
[16:38] <SpamapS> We should set a time for the community to join us to chat about it, maybe in #ubuntu-server?
[16:39] <SpamapS> Or, crazy idea, maybe we should do a ustream chat about it while in Dallas?
[16:39] <SpamapS> (though seems like in 1 month we'll be beyond defining it and into implementing it)
[16:39] <Daviey> SpamapS: Still.. not a bad idea..
[16:39] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: the only two packages that were left to get their MIRs accepted were pacemaker and cluster-glue. Once they are finally approved everything should be pulled to main since all the other packages (heartbeat cluster-agents and couple others) were already accepted into main but demoted back to universe because we couldn't get the packages in question on time
[16:40] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx: Ah, ok... thanks for the update.
[16:41] <kirkland> SpamapS: as you said, distro sprint will be a little too late, probably
[16:41] <kirkland> SpamapS: what do you think an irc conversation offers that zul's mailing list thread won't?
[16:42] <kirkland> SpamapS: i'd suggest you respond to zul's email with a proposed time/date to talk real-time about it in IRC
[16:42] <kirkland> SpamapS: cool?
[16:42] <SpamapS> kirkland: Yeah I can't think of the exact response so I'll abstain.
[16:42] <SpamapS> kirkland: I think the ML is the place to start no matter what.
[16:43] <Daviey> +1
[16:43] <SpamapS> If enough interest turns up we can talk about IRC then.
[16:43] <kirkland> SpamapS: cool, zul will start the thread on the ML and you can propose a real-time discussion in IRC if necessary
[16:43] <kirkland> anything else?
[16:43] <kirkland> going ...
[16:43] <kirkland> once ...
[16:43] <kirkland> twice ...
[16:43] <kirkland> gone.
[16:43] <Daviey> sold!
[16:44] <kirkland> [topic] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Announce next meeting date and time
[16:44] <kirkland> same time, same place
[16:44] <kirkland> #endmeeting
[16:44] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:44.
[16:44] <kirkland> thanks all
[16:44]  * kirkland waves
[16:44] <SpamapS> \o/ thanks kirkland!
[16:44]  * RoAkSoAx back to sleep
[16:58] <SpamapS>  /win 41
[16:59] <JFo> o/
[16:59] <bjf> #startmeeting
[16:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:59. The chair is bjf.
[16:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:59] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[16:59] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Maverick
[16:59] <bjf> #
[16:59] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[16:59] <bjf> #
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (bjf)
[17:00] <bjf>  * Marvel (mvl-dove)
[17:00] <bjf>    * Nothing new this week.
[17:00] <bjf>  * Texas Instruments (ti-omap)
[17:00] <bjf>    * Tim uploaded 2.6.35 ti-omap4 kernel to Natty branch
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Status (bjf)
[17:00] <bjf>    * Linaro Natty kernel can boot up on both OMAP3 and OMAP4 boards with the same
[17:00] <bjf>      Natty minimal root filesystem.
[17:00] <bjf>    * Bug 633227: On-The-Going.
[17:00] <bjf>      - I found the same issue on Linaro 2.6.37 based Natty kernel, which is close to mainline for OM
[17:00] <bjf>      - So, mainline also has the highmem issue for OMAP4 SMP system
[17:00] <bjf> ..
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics (JFo)
[17:00] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (5 bugs, 14 Blueprints)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 1 linux kernel bugs
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 9 linux kernel bugs (up 4)
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change)
[17:00] <JFo>  * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 6 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints)
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 52 Linux Bugs
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * 111 Linux Bugs
[17:00] <JFo> [17:00] <JFo>  * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]]
[17:00] <JFo>  * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]]
[17:00] <JFo> I added 2 new items to the above metrics. The Lucid and Maverick updates milestoned bugs. I think that these
[17:01] <JFo> may be useful for some of you, such as the SRU Team. I am open to your feedback.
[17:01] <JFo> ..
[17:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[17:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo)
[17:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[17:01] <JFo> nothing to report. All inprogress work items are still in various states of flight. :)
[17:01] <JFo> ..
[17:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw)
[17:01] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review
[17:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw)
[17:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review
[17:03] <bjf> will come back to this later
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking)
[17:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhanceme
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Enhancements to the firmware test suite (cking)
[17:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-firmware-test-suite-enhanceme
[17:03] <cking> Changes to fwts (natty development branch):
[17:03] <cking>  * klog: IO APIC IRQ kernel log checks, use more regexs to allow fuzzier [Firmware] bug checking
[17:03] <cking>  * fix ARM and PowerPC FTBFS
[17:03] <cking>  * add --lp-tags-log, -j, --json-data-path, -u, -utils options
[17:03] <cking>  * expand --lp-tags tagging to all applicable tests
[17:03] <cking>  * Initial UEFI support:
[17:03] <cking>  *   detection for BIOS/UEFI firmware
[17:03] <cking>  *   rename e820dump to memmapdump as it applies to UEFI too
[17:03] <cking>  *   e820 lib reworked for BIOS + UEFI firmware
[17:03] <cking>  *   smbios test: fix for UEFI
[17:03] <cking>  * fwts USB stick image: reworked to use latest fwts dev version, tweak dialog progress bar
[17:03] <cking> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb)
[17:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintena
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Handling of Deviations from Standard Kernels (smb)
[17:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-frankenkernel-maintena
[17:04] <smb> nothing new
[17:04] <smb> ..
[17:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf)
[17:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review
[17:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Review of the Stable Maintenance Process (sconklin / bjf)
[17:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-stable-process-review
[17:04] <sconklin> | The Stable kernel team has prepared and uploaded
[17:04] <sconklin> | kernels for all supported releases. These contain
[17:04] <sconklin> | a number of non-critical CVEs.
[17:04] <sconklin> |
[17:04] <sconklin> | These kernels are all built, and are awaiting copying
[17:04] <sconklin> | to the -proposed pocket, at which time the Verification
[17:04] <sconklin> | phase of the kernel release will begin. This is part
[17:04] <sconklin> | of the process described here:
[17:04] <sconklin> |
[17:04] <sconklin> | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/StableReleaseCadence
[17:04] <sconklin> |
[17:04] <sconklin> | I expect that these kernels will be in -proposed by
[17:04] <sconklin> | tomorrow, possibly within hours of now.
[17:04] <sconklin> |
[17:04] <sconklin> | We have been developing and refining tools and processes
[17:04] <sconklin> | as we go, and this has been the biggest challenge in
[17:04] <sconklin> | the new process. All changes are being documented on
[17:04] <sconklin> | The wiki page linked above
[17:04] <sconklin> |
[17:04] <sconklin> | It's possible that this release can be published by
[17:04] <sconklin> | Dec 17th, depending on testing resources and when we
[17:04] <sconklin> | begin verification testing.
[17:04] <sconklin> |
[17:04] <sconklin> | It is unlikely that we will begin another stable
[17:04] <sconklin> | kernel cycle before the beginning of next year.
[17:04] <sconklin> |
[17:04] <sconklin> ..
[17:05] <bjf> is apw around yet?
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf)
[17:06] <sconklin> ||                         || Upd./Sec.     || Proposed      || TiP || Verified    ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || Dapper: Kernel          || 2.6.15-55.89  ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || Hardy:  Kernel          || 2.6.24-28.81  ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       LRM             || 2.6.24.18-28.7||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || Karmic: Kernel          || 2.6.31-22.69  ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       mvl-dove        || 2.6.31-214.32 ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       ec2             || 2.6.31-307.21 ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || Lucid:  Kernel          || 2.6.32-26.48  ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       LBM             || 2.6.32-25.24  || 2.6.32-26.25  ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       mvl-dove        || 2.6.32-209.27 ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       fsl-imx51       || 2.6.31-608.19 || 2.6.31-608.20 ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       ec2             || 2.6.32-309.18 ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || = lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35.22.34  ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || Maverick: Kernel        || 2.6.35-23.41  ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       mvl-dove        || 2.6.32-410.27 ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> || =       ti-omap4        || 2.6.35-903.18 ||               ||     ||             ||
[17:06] <sconklin> ..
[17:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[17:07] <JFo> Incoming Bugs
[17:07] <JFo>  32 Natty Bugs (up 13)
[17:07] <JFo>  1113 Maverick Bugs (up 25)
[17:07] <JFo>  1110 Lucid Bugs (up 1)
[17:07] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[17:07] <JFo> [17:07] <JFo> Removed from the metrics for this meeting as the tag has been deprecated.
[17:07] <JFo> [17:07] <JFo>   * 25 maverick bugs (up 2)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 83 lucid bugs (up 2)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 6 karmic bugs (no change)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 0 hardy bugs (no change)
[17:07] <JFo> [17:07] <JFo>   * 175 maverick bugs (up 8)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 198 lucid bugs (down 1)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 40 karmic bugs (no change)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 2 hardy bugs (no change)
[17:07] <JFo> [17:07] <JFo>   * 13 maverick bugs (no change)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 6 lucid bugs (no change)
[17:07] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug (no change)
[17:07] <JFo> ..
[17:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[17:07] <JFo> Today's bug day is covering regression-update bugs. I sent the wrong information earlier today,
[17:07] <JFo> but there are 118 bugs that need to be looked at, the majority of which will need to be tested
[17:07] <JFo> against the latest released version and the current version in development. I sent out an e-mail
[17:07] <JFo> today concerning the day. I've also posted a blog post on our voices page as a reminder.
[17:07] <JFo> The next bug day will be next week. I'd like for that one to focus on regression-proposed bugs
[17:07] <JFo> since the ones that I have on my list have been there too long to be seriously considered as legitimate
[17:07] <JFo> bugs in the proposed queue. I'm open to your feedback and will plan to send out the details if
[17:08] <JFo> everyone agrees on this focus.
[17:08] <JFo> ..
[17:08] <bjf> [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo)
[17:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Triage Status (JFo)
[17:08] <JFo> I have been given further guidance on Bugs with patches by pete and I have begun, albeit slowly, to move
[17:08] <JFo> through that set of bugs. I hope to have a significant portion of them addressed this week so that
[17:08] <JFo> the reporting item above should reflect a noticeable difference.
[17:08] <JFo> I am continuing to work on the script gathering bugs based on a tag as well as the overall hot list
[17:08] <JFo> script and the script that replaces a tag with another. All of those efforts are intertwined since
[17:08] <JFo> the logic is very similar. I expect to have some of them finished by the end of this week barring
[17:08] <JFo> any major roadblocks. :)
[17:08] <JFo> ..
[17:09] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:09] <vanhoof> o/
[17:09] <bjf> vanhoof, go
[17:10] <vanhoof> sconklin: bjf: regarding this weeks upload for maverick
[17:10]  * apw arrives
[17:10] <apw> o/
[17:10] <vanhoof> is that firm at all?
[17:11] <vanhoof> I've got a few fixes going into that release, so planning out our bugs for the remainder of the year
[17:11] <bjf> semi-rigid
[17:11] <sconklin> vanhoof: the sru team is actively working on it as we speak
[17:11] <vanhoof> ok cool, i'll keep an eye out for it
[17:11] <vanhoof> ..
[17:11] <bjf> apw, can we run through your items?
[17:11] <apw> bjf sure
[17:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw)
[17:11] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review
[17:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Kernel Configuration Review (apw)
[17:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-config-review
[17:11] <apw> wanna post the headings
[17:12] <apw> HZ report has now been produced, it is showing that moving HZ from 100 to 1000 has a between 10-12% CPU overhead under high load, rendering it unsuitable for any sort of server workload, further analysis of these results ongoing.  All other changes are applied an uploaded.
[17:12] <apw> ..
[17:12] <sconklin> there's a discussion on #ubuntu-devel that you'll want to scroll back on. my name is in it but not yours
[17:12] <sconklin> EWRONGWINDOW
[17:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Ubuntu Kernel Delta Review (apw)
[17:12] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-ubuntu-delta-review
[17:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Ubuntu Kernel Delta Review (apw)
[17:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-ubuntu-delta-review
[17:12] <apw> 14 of the 19 personal patch reviews are now done. The remainder have been pushed out to natty-alpha-2, but none are release critical.
[17:12] <apw> ..
[17:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: Kernel Version and Flavours (apw)
[17:13] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-version-and-flavours
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: Kernel Version and Flavours (apw)
[17:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-version-and-flavours
[17:13] <apw> Preliminary uploads of ti-omap4 branches for Natty have now occured, this will form a basis for the natty development.  Still waiting on ARM CD image testing.  A number of minor work items moved out from natty-alpha-1.
[17:13] <apw> ..
[17:13] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Natty (apw)
[17:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Natty (apw)
[17:13] <apw> Preliminary uploads of ti-omap4 branches for Natty have now occured, this will form a basis for the natty development.  Still waiting on ARM CD image testing.  A number of minor work items moved out from natty-alpha-1.
[17:13] <apw> ARGGLE
[17:13] <apw> The main distro kernel is now at 2.6.37-8.21 (v2.6.37-rc4 based).  This kernel brings fixes for a large number of 'boots to black' failure modes with the grub2 graphical handoff.  Testing on the graphics boot changes is looking good on this kernel.  v2.6.37-rc5 has already released and will be uploaded shortly.
[17:14] <apw> ..
[17:14] <bjf> Thanks apw, does anyone have anything else?
[17:14] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:14] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:14] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:14.
[17:14] <JFo> thanks bjf
[17:14] <cking> thanks bjf
[17:14] <jjohansen> thanks bjf
[19:02] <wendar> who's here for ARB meeting?
[19:02]  * ajmitch is
[19:03]  * wendar pinging others
[19:03]  * statik is
[19:05]  * stgraber is
[19:05] <wendar> 4 out of 6 is good, the others may show up later
[19:06] <wendar> #startmeeting
[19:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:06. The chair is wendar.
[19:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:06] <wendar> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Process
[19:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Process
[19:07] <wendar> [TOPIC] Meeting Scheduling
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Meeting Scheduling
[19:07] <wendar> For those here, is this a good time, and would you like to make this a regular thing?
[19:08] <statik> this is a good time for me, and meeting regularly and publicly is part of our charter so we should do that
[19:08] <ajmitch> 1 hour earlier may actually be better for me, if it suits others
[19:08] <statik> 1 hour earlier would be even better for me ;)
[19:08] <wendar> ajmitch: 1 hour earlier would be better for Europe
[19:08] <stgraber> an hour earlier would be fine
[19:09] <wendar> ajmitch: which timezone are you in?
[19:09] <ajmitch> UTC+13
[19:09] <ajmitch> so it would be 7AM instead of 8
[19:09] <ajmitch> it's more because I'm usually starting work just after 8
[19:10] <wendar> let's go with one hour earlier
[19:10] <wendar> and, every 2 weeks?
[19:10] <statik> +1
[19:10] <ajmitch> sounds good
[19:10] <wendar> that puts our next meeting on December 21st
[19:10] <stgraber> yep
[19:10] <ajmitch> we can revisit it when daylight saving time changes for people
[19:10] <wendar> ajmitch: good idea
[19:10] <wendar> okay, great
[19:11] <wendar> next, step through status on our current proposals
[19:11] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - SIR
[19:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - SIR
[19:11] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/644066
[19:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/644066
[19:12] <wendar> this one I've done the most work on, repackaged it to install in /opt
[19:12] <wendar> everything is good, except the lintian override for installing in /opt isn't working yet
[19:12] <wendar> so getting a warning on that
[19:12] <ajmitch> have you somewhere to push the modified package to?
[19:13] <wendar> ajmitch: to my PPA
[19:13] <ajmitch> ok
[19:13] <ajmitch> how much repackaging work do you see us doing?
[19:13] <wendar> possibly quite extensive for these first few packages
[19:14] <wendar> but, none after Natty
[19:14] <wendar> it basically comes down to supporting the /opt install requirement when the tools can't do it yet
[19:15] <wendar> but, it should be pretty straightforward once we get a modification pattern down
[19:15] <wendar> i.e. patch with quilt, add .install files where needed, add lintian override for install in /opt
[19:15] <ajmitch> OK
[19:16] <statik> wendar: it's really cool that you put work into updating SIR to meet the rules, have you communicated any of this to rafael? is this something that we could turn into some docs that we can refer people to?
[19:16] <ajmitch> I'd like to minimise the amount of touching packages that we need to do, though
[19:16] <statik> I totally agree with  minimising the touching of packages that we do, but i feel like we should write docs that explain to people how to submit packages that meet the rules
[19:17] <wendar> statik: not yet, and yes it needs to be a collaborative process with the dev (a teaching opportunity), and we need to document it for future devs
[19:17] <statik> i'm interested in learning how you did it myself ;)
[19:17] <wendar> ajmitch: agreed on minimizing the amount of touching packages, but that was a condition from the TechBoard for getting around the tool limitations in Maverick
[19:18] <wendar> ajmitch: since we've got 5 submissions now, it shouldn't be too painful
[19:18] <ajmitch> right, as long as we limit our work to that, and don't end up repackaging it for some of them :)
[19:19] <wendar> ajmitch: I see it as primarily "showing the way" by making initial fixes
[19:19] <statik> wendar: so whats the next step with SIR? ask rafael to make this set of changes and re-upload, then we vote on the updated package that rafael submits? perhaps then we could each take on one of the remaining packages?
[19:19] <ajmitch> that's what I'd prefer
[19:20] <stgraber> yup, having him update in his PPA and let us know in the bug sounds good
[19:20] <wendar> statik: sounds good
[19:21] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - Basenji
[19:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - Basenji
[19:21] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/644443
[19:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/644443
[19:22] <ajmitch> this one raises the question of what we do with submissions that are also on revu.ubuntuwire.com
[19:22] <wendar> I'm still of the opinion that this one should be bumped back to REVU
[19:22] <ajmitch> so am I
[19:23] <ajmitch> it's getting actively worked on & looked at there (well, as active as revu is :) )
[19:23] <statik> whats the reason for bumping it, complexity?
[19:23] <wendar> yes, complexity
[19:24] <ajmitch> also whether people should be pushing packages through 2 separate review paths
[19:24] <wendar> also, some of the problems exposed during REVU are handled better there
[19:24] <statik> ok, i can go along with that. should we hold a vote on it?
[19:24] <wendar> ajmitch: yes. I'll give a little grace there since ARB is a new process
[19:26] <ajmitch> it has taken us a little longer than expected to get moving :)
[19:26] <wendar> call for vote: move to bounce Basenji to the review process
[19:26] <ajmitch> +1
[19:26] <statik> should we use the mootbot [VOTE] thing?
[19:26] <ajmitch> you should, I don't know how to drive it properly :)
[19:26] <wendar> statik: I was looking up the syntax, and decided I'd figure it out for next meeting
[19:27] <statik> heh, sure
[19:27] <wendar> +1
[19:27] <statik> +1 on rejecting besenji from ARB for maverick on the grounds that it is too complicated to review currently and is currently being worked on in REVU
[19:28] <ajmitch> if we do, we can suggest backports in the bug
[19:28] <statik> agreed
[19:28] <stgraber> +1
[19:29] <wendar> 4 in favor, 2 absent, motion carries
[19:29] <wendar> I'll take an action of responding in the queue and updating the status of the submission
[19:30] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - PyTask
[19:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - PyTask
[19:30] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/684341
[19:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/684341
[19:30] <statik> looks like voting is just the meeting chair (wendar) saying [VOTE] topic of vote, us all saying +1 or -1 or +0, and then wendar saying [ENDVOTE]
[19:30] <statik> wendar: thanks for taking on notifying the basenji author
[19:30] <wendar> statik: cool, will use that next time
[19:31]  * ajmitch hasn't had a chance to look at pytask yet
[19:31] <wendar> I just got an update on it that it has a crash bug
[19:31] <wendar> actually, it's Quickly that has the bug, PyTask is just affected by it
[19:32] <wendar> there's an update going into an SRU, so should be good for next meeting
[19:32] <wendar> overall, I'm in favor of it
[19:32] <wendar> and expect we'll be able to approve it in the next meeting
[19:32] <statik> i haven't had a chance to look at pytask yet either, I will do so before the next meeting
[19:32] <statik> I don't see the crash bug in the pytask bug tracker though
[19:33] <wendar> statik: hold on, will request a link
[19:34] <wendar> ah, he's out. I'll add the link to the Pytask review ticket
[19:34] <statik> is there any special script that you folks use to pull a package from a ppa in order to review it?
[19:34] <statik> or do you just manually add the ppa, apt-get source the package and then code review/testbuild/testinstall?
[19:34] <ajmitch> dget -ux http://path.to.dsc
[19:35] <ajmitch> I grab the dsc url from the LP page
[19:35] <statik> oh neat
[19:36] <wendar> [TOPIC] Proposal Review - simple-stopwatch, Suspended Sentence
[19:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Proposal Review - simple-stopwatch, Suspended Sentence
[19:36] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/665543
[19:36] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/665543
[19:36] <wendar> [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/675033
[19:36] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/675033
[19:36] <wendar> I don't have updates on these, but they need the same /opt install review I gave to SIR
[19:37] <wendar> and probably manual packaging tweaks
[19:37] <ajmitch> simple-stopwatch has some other packaging issues that I've talked with stefano about briefly, I'll put them into the bug
[19:37] <statik> are these both from the same author?
[19:38] <ajmitch> no, they just have the same first name :)
[19:38] <wendar> statik: no, different Stefanos
[19:39] <wendar> for these two, statik's idea of each of us volunteering to work on one package is a good one
[19:39] <ajmitch> suspended-sentence looks mostly ok, I haven't tested it at all yet
[19:41] <wendar> ajmitch: would you like to take simple-stopwatch, since you've already been talking to stefano?
[19:41] <ajmitch> alright
[19:41] <wendar> I'll continue with SIR, talk with the developer
[19:42] <wendar> do we have volunteers for Suspended Sentence and Pytask?
[19:42] <peppe84> emea meeting in 20 minutes, is right?
[19:42] <statik> i'll volunteer for pytask
[19:42] <ajmitch> we'll still need to cross-check & vote accordingly once we're happy with them
[19:43] <statik> yes, absolutely. i think the idea is to work with the developer to get the apps into a state where they are likely to pass the vote
[19:43] <wendar> peppe84: the Fridge calendar says it's an hour and 20 minutes
[19:43] <statik> and then once we have a handful of apps that we have done this with, we can document things, and point future submitters to the docs
[19:43] <ajmitch> statik: agreed, it'll make it easier than going through multiple voting rounds per package
[19:43] <peppe84> wendar, ok I'm confused with timezone. sorry at all.
[19:44] <wendar> ajmitch: yes, this doesn't qualify as a vote, just a status check on the proposals in the queue
[19:44] <wendar> ajmitch: voting when we feel it's certain enough that we can vote
[19:45] <m4n1sh> peppe84: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA tells 20UTC and Fridge says 21UTC
[19:45] <stgraber> EMEA is in 15 minutes
[19:45] <ajmitch> we'd better finish up quickly then
[19:45] <stgraber> the fridge is wrong (as usual) :)
[19:45]  * stgraber is on both ARB and EMEA
[19:45] <wendar> no volunteer for Suspended Sentence, but I can take it if no one else does
[19:45] <peppe84> lol
[19:46] <wendar> peppe84: will make a note to get Fridge corrected while I'm adding ARB to it
[19:46] <ajmitch> it's only fagan missing, and with only 4 packages to look at it's ok :)
[19:46] <statik> wendar: yeah i can only commit to doing one app this round, sorry
[19:46] <wendar> that's all the packages to review
[19:46] <wendar> statik: one is perfect
[19:47] <wendar> statik: and I'm pretty much done with SIR, so can easily take another
[19:47] <stgraber> wendar: I guess I can take it, I'm a bit short on time recently but it seems to already be mostly good
[19:47]  * statik high-fives stgraber
[19:47] <ajmitch> stgraber: thanks
[19:47] <wendar> stgraber: cool
[19:47] <wendar> final topic
[19:47] <wendar> [TOPIC] Wiki Location
[19:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Wiki Location
[19:48] <wendar> we don't currently have a standard location to put information about the ARB, agendas, dev help for the process, etc
[19:48] <wendar> I suggest we adopt http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppRevieBoard/...
[19:48] <wendar> er, AppReviewBoard, that is
[19:48] <ajmitch> sounds good to me
[19:48] <stgraber> sounds good
[19:48] <statik> +1
[19:49] <wendar> great, will start filling things in there
[19:49] <wendar> that's all for this meeting, thanks all
[19:49] <wendar> #endmeeting
[19:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:49.
[19:49] <mvo> thanks!
[19:49] <statik> wendar: i'd love to get a copy of the changes you made for SIR
[19:49] <ajmitch> I was about to say, are there any tools that could be useful for reviewing?
[19:50] <statik> and this page was somehow new to me https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostReleaseApps/Metadata , did you all already know about it?
[19:50]  * ajmitch was thinking of setting up a separate revu instance if it'd be useful
[19:50] <wendar> statik: I'll post in my PPA, it's a combination of patches to the package and changes to the packaging
[19:51] <statik> cool, thx
[19:51] <wendar> statik: yes, the Metadata affected the TB proposal too
[19:51] <wendar> ajmitch: I'm not sure, is revu too heavyweight for this?
[19:52] <statik> wendar: thanks again for getting us organized. i'll see you all on the mailing list
[19:52] <wendar> statik: thanks! ttyl
[19:52] <ajmitch> wendar: it's mostly for the automated lintian checks, license checks that we can each do ourselves
[19:53] <wendar> ajmitch: we can try it out, if it's not a bit hassle to set up
[19:53] <wendar> *big
[19:53] <ajmitch> not particularly, I need to finish moving the main revu instance anyway, I've been putting that off
[19:54] <ajmitch> we can discuss on mailing list
[19:54]  * ajmitch needs to head off to work soon 
[19:54] <wendar> good idea
[19:54]  * wendar out
[19:55] <stgraber> thanks everyone
[19:55]  * stgraber takes a 5 minutes break before EMEA
[20:03] <popey> ola
[20:03] <leoquant> hi popey
[20:04] <ronnie_vd_c> hi popey
[20:04] <ricotz> popey, hi
[20:04]  * stgraber waves
[20:04]  * Yaron-Heb says hi!
[20:04] <stefano-palazzo> hello everyone
[20:04]  * popey will be 1 minute
[20:04] <popey> I'll chair
[20:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:05] <stgraber> highvoltage: ^
[20:05] <victorp> hola
[20:05] <czajkowski> are we quorum ?
[20:05] <peppe84> hi all
[20:05] <stgraber> nope, calling highvoltage on his cell
[20:05] <mjeanson> hi
[20:06] <czajkowski> ok lets sort that first before we go any further drubin is meant to be late, no word from ogra
[20:06] <stgraber> highvoltage will be there any second now
[20:06] <stgraber> just got him on the phone
[20:06] <popey> #startmeeting
[20:06] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:06. The chair is popey.
[20:06] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:07] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA
[20:07] <highvoltage> sorry, I thought the meeting was an hour later!
[20:07] <stgraber> don
[20:07] <stgraber> don't believe the fridge
[20:07] <pleia2> I'm getting the fridge calendar updated, sorry about that :)
[20:07] <popey> We'll go through that list and we will ask each individual to say a few words, then we'll ask some questions
[20:07] <czajkowski> sounds good thanks
[20:07] <popey> finally we'll vote on each persons membership. Please try to be prompt with responses, we have a big list to get through.
[20:07] <peppe84> I was wrong I also...
[20:08] <popey> Who is here from the EMEA board?
[20:08] <seiflotfy> hello hello
[20:08] <popey> o/
[20:08] <czajkowski> o/
[20:08] <highvoltage> o/
[20:08] <stgraber> czajkowski, popey, highvoltage and I (at least)
[20:08] <peppe84> o/
[20:08] <wendar> pleia2/stgraber: fridge fixed
[20:08] <stgraber> wendar: rocks!
[20:08] <popey> right then, lets get started...
[20:09] <popey> ronnie_vd_c: ping
[20:09] <popey> are you there?
[20:09] <ronnie_vd_c> yes im here
[20:09] <ronnie_vd_c> lets introduce myself
[20:09] <popey> [topic] ronnie_vd_c
[20:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  ronnie_vd_c
[20:09] <ronnie_vd_c> Hallo, im Ronnie van den Crommenacker better known as ronnie.vd.c or ronnie_vd_c
[20:09] <ronnie_vd_c> Born and still living in the Netherlands
[20:09] <ronnie_vd_c> Since 2006 an active Ubuntu user. After a few months of help on the dutch forums, i started to give the first support myself
[20:09] <ronnie_vd_c> My activity has grown in the past and is still growing.
[20:09] <ronnie_vd_c> Im actively involved in the Dutch LoCo team,
[20:09] <ronnie_vd_c> From 2009 and still am the leader of the dutch Artwork team, but i also do great jobs on the documentation, server and promotion team
[20:10] <ronnie_vd_c> Last months, i started also to look more international and hope to help there as well
[20:10] <ronnie_vd_c> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ronnie.vd.c (for those who did not read them yet)
[20:11] <popey> Is anyone here to cheer for ronnie_vd_c ?
[20:11] <highvoltage> ronnie_vd_c: one person commented on your wiki page that ubuntu-nl wouldn't look as good as it does if it wasn't for you. are they referring to the website?
[20:11] <RawChid>  Yes, go ronnie_vd_c!
[20:11] <johanvd> ronnie_vd_c, \o/
[20:11] <UndiFineD> \o/
[20:11] <Nunslaughter> popey: I am :)
[20:11] <Thomas_de_Graaff> Yes, thumbs up for ronnie!
[20:11] <ronnie_vd_c> testcees....
[20:11] <testcees> \o/
[20:11] <leoquant> ronnie_vd_c,  go!
[20:11] <popey> well, thats good to see :)
[20:11] <rulus> yes, \o/ for ronnie
[20:12] <czajkowski> nice wiki page and good testimonals
[20:12] <RawChid> I think that person was referring to the artwork-stuff ronnie_vd_c did highvoltage
[20:12] <ronnie_vd_c> too bad sense couldnt make it to the meeting
[20:12] <JanC> I can say ronnie_vd_c has been very helpful inside ubuntu-nl
[20:12] <Tjibba> Go ronnie_vd_c !!
[20:13] <Nunslaughter> I would like to add the great work Ronnie is doing for the new forum theme to keep in line with the new Ubuntu looks
[20:13] <MichealH> Sorry Im late
[20:13] <popey> ok, do any of the emea board have any questions?
[20:13] <ronnie_vd_c> highvoltage: the looking good is not yet refferrd to the theme on the website, but i guess more in terms of leadership etc
[20:13] <highvoltage> ronnie_vd_c: ok
[20:13] <ronnie_vd_c> but i hope the new forum theme will be ready soon (demo at: http://rachidbm.com/ubuntu-nl/)
[20:14] <ronnie_vd_c> most of the design is my work, but i got some help from RawChid and some others
[20:15] <popey> any more questions from the board?
[20:15] <JanC> ronnie_vd_c has also been one of the people who showed to be able to separate emotions from important things during some recent conflicts inside ubuntu-nl
[20:15] <stgraber> I'm good
[20:15] <highvoltage> same
[20:15] <popey> ok, lets vote
[20:16] <popey> [vote] EMEA Board members only please vote on ubuntu membership of ronnie_vd_c
[20:16] <MootBot> Please vote on:  EMEA Board members only please vote on ubuntu membership of ronnie_vd_c.
[20:16] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[20:16] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[20:16] <popey> +1
[20:16] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:16] <highvoltage> +1 [ good loco contributions over time ]
[20:16] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:16] <czajkowski> +1
[20:16] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[20:16] <czajkowski> keep up the good work
[20:16] <Tjibba> +1
[20:16] <MootBot> +1 received from Tjibba. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:16] <stgraber> +1
[20:16] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[20:16] <RawChid> +1
[20:16] <MootBot> +1 received from RawChid. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[20:16] <czajkowski> only council members vote please
[20:16] <czajkowski> RawChid: Tjibba please stop
[20:16] <popey> grrr!
[20:16] <RawChid> Sorry
[20:16] <czajkowski> only council members vote
[20:16] <Tjibba> ow sorry :(
[20:17] <popey> [endvote]
[20:17] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6
[20:17] <popey> looks good anyway, congratulations ronnie_vd_c
[20:17] <ronnie_vd_c> Thanks stgraber, highvoltage, popey, czajkowski and all my supporters :D
[20:17] <RawChid> Congratz ronnie_vd_c
[20:17] <highvoltage> ronnie_vd_c: congratulations and welcome!
[20:17] <Nunslaughter> good job ronnie_vd_c! :)
[20:17] <leoquant> congrats!
[20:17] <popey> now, my son is throwing up, I really need to leave my pc for a bit, can someone else take over please?
[20:17] <popey> #endmeeting
[20:17] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:17.
[20:17] <MichealH> Well done ronnie_vd_c
[20:18] <popey> you will need to start the meeting again
[20:18] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[20:18] <MootBot> Meeting started at 14:18. The chair is czajkowski.
[20:18] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:18] <mjeanson> ok my turn
[20:18] <czajkowski> mjeanson: you're up
[20:18] <stgraber> czajkowski: ouch ;)
[20:18] <stgraber> czajkowski: I guess you wanted [TOPIC] :)
[20:18] <mjeanson> Hi, I'm Michael Jeanson from the cold Quebec, Canada
[20:18] <czajkowski> stgraber: yes
[20:19] <mjeanson> I'm a system administrator and I've been running ubuntu in production since dapper
[20:19] <czajkowski> [topic] mjeanson
[20:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  mjeanson
[20:19] <mjeanson> I'm interrested in all things server related and I've contributed some SRUs and backports
[20:19] <mjeanson> I hope to put more time on SRUs since I think it's were ubuntu server needs a lot more involment
[20:20] <highvoltage> mjeanson: looking at https://launchpad.net/~mjeanson/+related-software - it looks like you did a really good job at providing patches, and then earlier this year you seem to have stopped. what happened?
[20:20] <czajkowski> mjeanson: so ca you tel us about your involvment
[20:21] <mjeanson> depending on the project I'm involved at work I get more or less time to contribute
[20:22] <mjeanson> czajkowski: packaging is my main area of interrest
[20:22] <czajkowski> mjeanson: so as highvoltage asks you were contributing for a while then stopped
[20:22] <mjeanson> I've also been helping upstream to package their software according to ubuntu guideline and hope to get them included once it's ready
[20:23] <highvoltage> mjeanson: you should've mentioned that on your wiki page! which upstream(s)?
[20:24] <mjeanson> highvoltage: shinken a distributed monitoring system
[20:24] <mjeanson> czajkowski: it depends on the projects I have at work, I've been very busy lately :)
[20:25] <highvoltage> popey: back yet?
[20:26] <czajkowski> mjeanson: how would you see things improving in the future ?
[20:28] <mjeanson> czajkowski: SRUs SRUS SRUs that's what the server platform needs and that's what I want to do
[20:28] <mjeanson> mostly on the LTS releases
[20:29]  * highvoltage has no more questions
[20:29] <JanC> mjeanson: you mean SRUs for more packages in universe?
[20:29] <czajkowski> Pici: thanks
[20:29] <Pici> czajkowski: np
[20:29] <mjeanson> JanC: Universe and main
[20:30] <mjeanson> JanC: most of the server packages are in main
[20:30] <stgraber> I'll be mentoring mjeanson over the next few weeks to get most of the fixes that we have in our PPA into the distro as an effort to make the server platform more reliable and production ready
[20:31] <czajkowski> ok
[20:31] <stgraber> work will be mostly focused on LTS releases though if the fix is easy enough to apply, I'll encourage for it to be applied to all other supported releases too
[20:31] <czajkowski> we can't vote atm as we're now down a vote unless drubin or ogra have arrived
[20:31] <highvoltage> yeah mjeanson uploads lots of fixes and updates to ppa's wich he should work more on getting into the archives!
[20:32] <mjeanson> highvoltage: I hope the new SRUs process will help with that
[20:32]  * popey returns
[20:32] <czajkowski> welcome
[20:32] <stgraber> yeah, popey !
[20:33] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of mjeanson . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE
[20:33] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the membership of mjeanson . ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE.
[20:33] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[20:33] <czajkowski> +1
[20:33] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:33] <stgraber> +1
[20:33] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:33] <popey> nice testimonials :)
[20:34] <popey> +1
[20:34] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[20:34] <highvoltage> +1 [ bug fixing work and I want to see more!!! ]
[20:34] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:34] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[20:34] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[20:34] <czajkowski> well done mjeanson
[20:34] <mjeanson> thanks everyone
[20:34] <stgraber> mjeanson: welcome aboard!
[20:35] <highvoltage> mjeanson: congratulations and welcome!
[20:35] <leoquant> congrats mjeanson
[20:35] <MichealH> Congrats mjeanson
[20:35] <Yaron-Heb> Congrats mjeanson
[20:35]  * popey adds mjeanson and ronnie_vd_c to ~ubuntumembers
[20:35] <m4n1sh> COngrats mjeanson
[20:35] <moshe742> congrats mjeanson
[20:35] <czajkowski> [topic] Manish Sinha
[20:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Manish Sinha
[20:35] <czajkowski> m4n1sh: you're up next
[20:35] <seiflotfy> goooooooo manish
[20:36] <m4n1sh> Hi all
[20:36] <m4n1sh> I am Manish Sinha from Bangalore, India.
[20:36] <m4n1sh> I have been using Ubuntu since 2006 as my primary OS. I have been helping spreading Ubuntu for last 4 years.
[20:36] <m4n1sh> I found Linux User's Group in my College and led it all the time when I was doing my graduation in Engineering
[20:36] <m4n1sh> I have installed Ubuntu on most of my famly and relative's computer and most of my friends use Ubuntu due to my constant efforts
[20:37] <m4n1sh> During college I organized Ubuntu Install fests with fellow friends
[20:37] <m4n1sh> and LUG members. Ubuntu is a well know name in the campus. Sort of synonymous with Linux. Effort paid off
[20:37] <highvoltage> m4n1sh: I'd like to hear about your extremist views on freedom. what makes it extreme?
[20:38] <m4n1sh> highvoltage: well, well knee jerk reactions
[20:38] <m4n1sh> I have faced a lot such during college days
[20:38] <m4n1sh> in LUG
[20:38] <m4n1sh> my views are not extremist
[20:38] <m4n1sh> when did I say that
[20:38] <m4n1sh> " I don't have an extremist view of Freedom, but keep a bit mild on the views."
[20:38] <m4n1sh> going ahead
[20:39] <highvoltage> that, yes
[20:39] <highvoltage> ah, right, I misread, ok
[20:39] <m4n1sh> Given talk on Launchpad in Pycon India 2010 to help people understand Ubuntu development using Launchpad
[20:39] <highvoltage> well, this looks like an easy one for me, I was thinking +1 before even getting to the testimonials :)
[20:39] <m4n1sh> also gave presentation on the launchpad API for prospective developers
[20:39] <m4n1sh> :)
[20:40] <czajkowski> ok so trying to keep things moving, does anyone have anything ele to ask
[20:40] <m4n1sh> I am one of the developers of apt-offline which is offline package management application
[20:40] <czajkowski> else
[20:40] <m4n1sh> i was mentored by Ritesh Raj Saraff, a Debian Developer
[20:40] <m4n1sh> right now I am involved mostly in Zeitgeist project
[20:40] <seiflotfy> I can testify for that
[20:40] <m4n1sh> esp since Unity is using zeitgeist
[20:41] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the membership of m4n1sh. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE!!!
[20:41] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the membership of m4n1sh. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE!!!.
[20:41] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[20:41] <m4n1sh> I am writing dataproviders for applications to push events in the daemon
[20:41] <czajkowski> +1
[20:41] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:41] <seiflotfy> go m4nish
[20:41] <highvoltage> +1 [ great work all round on technical level and in local promotion ]
[20:41] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:41] <seiflotfy> he pushed his banshee work upstream
[20:41] <popey> +1
[20:41] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[20:42] <stgraber> +1
[20:42] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:42] <popey> thanks for cheering on seiflotfy :)
[20:42] <seiflotfy> hi popey
[20:42] <seiflotfy> long time
[20:42] <seiflotfy> :)
[20:42] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[20:42] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[20:42] <seiflotfy> now a cheer for popey
[20:42] <seiflotfy> +100000000000000000
[20:42] <czajkowski> well done m4n1sh m4n1sh
[20:42] <popey> yay
[20:42] <ricotz> m4n1sh, congrats :)
[20:42] <Yaron-Heb> Congrats m4n1sh!!!
[20:42] <MichealH> Welll done m4n1sh
[20:42]  * popey adds manishsinha to ~ubuntumembers
[20:42] <m4n1sh> czajkowski: ricotz Yaron-Heb thanks
[20:42] <m4n1sh> MichealH: thanks
[20:42] <czajkowski> [topic] Cees Sluis
[20:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Cees Sluis
[20:43] <MichealH> m4n1sh: No Probs
[20:43] <czajkowski> testcees: you're up
[20:43] <testcees> hello all
[20:43] <victorp> m4n1sh tumba congratulations!
[20:43] <UndiFineD> \o/
[20:43] <highvoltage> m4n1sh: congratulations and welcome!
[20:43] <johanvd> testcees \o/
[20:43] <popey> nice testimonials testcees
[20:43] <testcees> please look at my wiki.
[20:43] <czajkowski> testcees: so care to tell us about yourself please
[20:43] <ronnie_vd_c> \o/
[20:43] <testcees> I work for a long time now on Dutch documentation
[20:43] <RawChid> Go testcees !
[20:43] <testcees> for Ubuntu.
[20:43] <leoquant> testcees go!
[20:43] <Thomas_de_Graaff> \o/
[20:44] <czajkowski> there seems to be a massive push on ubunt membership in the NL :)
[20:44] <testcees> And try to get other users get involved in writing and editing documentation
[20:44] <Tjibba> Go testcees ! :)
[20:44] <highvoltage> testcees: what's your long-term plans for ubuntu?
[20:45] <UndiFineD> sorry laura ;)
[20:45] <testcees> Make the LoCo Ubuntu-nl more organised
[20:45] <ronnie_vd_c> czajkowski: sense did do his job well as new loco contact ;)
[20:45] <testcees> try to get local people to contribute to ubuntu
[20:46] <testcees> we just started a new beginners team and hope this get us more help because native language documentation is important for many Dutch/Belgian users
[20:47] <testcees> and i'll ofcourse keep editing and adding our Dutch Ubuntu wiki.
[20:48] <highvoltage> great, I don't have any more questions
[20:48] <popey> ok.
[20:48] <JanC> I can vouch for testcees more or less in the same way as for ronnie_vd_c: a valuable contributor in several ways, who also helps to solve conflicts instead of creating them...
[20:48]  * popey tickles czajkowski 
[20:48] <czajkowski> popey: back
[20:48] <leoquant> testcees is active for several years for ubuntu-nl
[20:48] <rulus> I'd like to cheer for testcees, he is an awesome guy and does amazing work on the Dutch documentation (and lots of it)! \o/
[20:49] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the testcees membership. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE!!
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[20:49] <czajkowski> +1
[20:49] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:49] <czajkowski> very easy keep up the good work
[20:49] <highvoltage> +1 [ good testimonials from well-known Dutch team members and great work on documentation and loco teams ]
[20:49] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:49] <popey> +1
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[20:49] <popey> awesome work!
[20:49] <stgraber> +1
[20:49] <MootBot> +1 received from stgraber. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:49] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[20:49] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[20:49] <czajkowski> well done
[20:50] <highvoltage> testcees: congratulations and welcome!
[20:50] <popey> Yay!
[20:50] <popey> keep up the great work
[20:50] <testcees> ok, thank you all
[20:50] <Tjibba> Congratz testcees !
[20:50] <czajkowski> [topic] Yaron Shahrabani
[20:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Yaron Shahrabani
[20:50] <Yaron-Heb> Congrats testcees
[20:50] <leoquant> \o/
[20:50] <czajkowski> Yaron-Heb: you're up next
[20:50] <popey> added testcees to ~ubuntumembers
[20:50] <moshe742> Congrats testcees
[20:50] <Yaron-Heb> Yeah... thanks ☺
[20:50] <czajkowski> Yaron-Heb: so tell us about yourself polease
[20:51] <czajkowski> please
[20:51] <Yaron-Heb> No problem!
[20:51] <Yaron-Heb> Hi there! My name is Yaron, I'm 25 years old and I was born and still live in Israel,
[20:51] <Yaron-Heb> I'm an active member of the Israeli Ubuntu LoCo since 2007 and the Hebrew translation team leader since 2008,
[20:51] <Yaron-Heb> Due to some recent misunderstanding in the Ubuntu LoCo I can to bridge between both sides thus letting the new LoCo and acces to the forum database(held by the former LoCo),
[20:51] <Yaron-Heb> My latest work on Wine translation helped improve the support for RTL languages in general, Wine has a working Hebrew version (still need a little work but its not up to me ☺).
[20:51] <Yaron-Heb> You can find more details about me at my wikipage: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Yaron and my LP account: https://launchpad.net/~sh-yaron
[20:51] <Yaron-Heb> I can -> I came / I managed
[20:52] <popey> Yaron-Heb: what's Gezer?
[20:52] <Yaron-Heb> Its a project aiming at improving the Hebrew standards in Localization
[20:52] <popey> ooo..
[20:52]  * popey clicks the "translate" button in chrome and now knows more about it
[20:52] <popey> Oh, gezer = carrot? :)
[20:53] <Yaron-Heb> Making Hebrew computing nicer and more accessible
[20:53] <moshe742> yeah
[20:53] <Yaron-Heb> Indeed ☺
[20:53] <czajkowski> Yaron-Heb: so you mentioned some of the issues, how do you plan to help the loco in the future
[20:53] <Yaron-Heb> I always did, why stop now?
[20:53] <czajkowski> Yaron-Heb: what are your plans though?
[20:53]  * drubin wonders in very late and apolgizes
[20:54] <Yaron-Heb> I want to keep the community up by tech supporting, localizing, graphics and every way I can like I did until now
[20:54] <popey> Yaron-Heb: what happens in the Ubuntu-rtl team, it seems quiet?
[20:54] <popey> do we have no RTL bugs? :)
[20:55] <Yaron-Heb> We are collecting the bugs in order to find similar patterns, currently we need programmers in many programming languages to solve them
[20:55] <popey> I guess you have more work with Unity coming?
[20:55] <Yaron-Heb> Resources we don't have but we do promote them
[20:55] <Ddorda> ‎czajkowski: may i add, Yaron-Heb is one the best translators (if not the best one) in our LoCo, he does a extremely hard work and got many people to the translation and l10n subject. i support him by 100% to be an Ubuntu member
[20:55] <popey> thanks Ddorda
[20:55] <Yaron-Heb> Yeah, lots of it! Thanks Ddorda!
[20:56] <popey> I have no more questions
[20:56] <Yaron-Heb> Thank you!
[20:56]  * highvoltage is good
[20:56]  * stgraber too
[20:57] <Yaron-Heb> Any further questions? ☺
[20:58] <ricotz> Yaron-Heb, good translation work on Docky btw :)
[20:58] <highvoltage> czajkowski?
[20:58] <Yaron-Heb> Thank you!! I appreciate it
[20:58] <moshe742> I can say he is always willing to help anyone that needs it and not only on translation problems, i support him completely
[20:58] <MichealH> czajkowski: Everyones ready?
[20:58] <popey> you've got some great support here Yaron-Heb
[20:58] <Yaron-Heb> Thanks alot moshe742!!
[20:58] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on Yaron-Heb membership. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE/
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[20:58] <popey> +1
[20:58] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:58] <popey> great work!
[20:58] <Yaron-Heb> Thanks!!
[20:59] <highvoltage> +1 [ great translation effort and good feedback all round ]
[20:59] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:59] <stgraber> +1
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[20:59] <drubin> +1 [Looks good and great feed back]
[20:59] <MootBot> +1 received from drubin. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, ronnie_vd_c, mjeanson, m4n1sh, testcees, and Yaron-Heb y
[20:59] <ronnie_vd_c> thx charlie-tca
[20:59] <highvoltage> congratulations and welcome, Yaron-Heb!
[20:59] <Yaron-Heb> Thanks a lot charlie-tca!
[20:59] <m4n1sh> Yaron-Heb: congrats
[20:59] <czajkowski> +0
[20:59] <MootBot> Abstention received from czajkowski. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[20:59] <Ddorda> ‎Yaron-Heb: congratz pal :)
[20:59] <MichealH> Caongrats Yaron-Heb
[20:59] <charlie-tca> mis triggered
[20:59] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[20:59] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 4
[20:59] <moshe742> Yaron-Heb, congrats, i know you deserve it:)
[21:00] <popey> congrats
[21:00] <Yaron-Heb> Thank you all!
[21:00]  * popey adds Yaron-Heb to ~ubuntumembers
[21:00] <czajkowski> [topic] Giuseppe Terrasi
[21:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Giuseppe Terrasi
[21:00] <czajkowski> peppe84: you're up next
[21:00] <peppe84> yes i'm here
[21:00] <peppe84> i'am giuseppe terrasi aka peppe84, an italian locoteam member.
[21:00] <peppe84> I joined Ubuntu on December 2005 with Ubuntu 5.10.
[21:00] <peppe84> I started to contribute to early 2006 in Documentation Italian Team and Marketing Italian Team.
[21:01] <peppe84> In past I have contribute in Italian Marketing Team (first nucleus of person)
[21:01] <peppe84> in the Italian Newsletter (co-founder) and in the Italian Spread Ubuntu Project (founder)
[21:01] <peppe84> Now I'm an Administrator of Ubuntu Italian Documentation Team : http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GruppoAdmin
[21:01]  * stgraber has to run, sorry
[21:01] <popey> thanks stgraber !
[21:01] <peppe84> and I have the italian membership: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-it-members
[21:01] <peppe84> For all detail, please see my personal page:
[21:01] <peppe84> intl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GiuseppeTerrasi
[21:01] <peppe84> it: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/GiuseppeTerrasi
[21:01] <peppe84> LP: https://launchpad.net/~giuseppeterrasi
[21:01] <peppe84> I have finish.
[21:02] <highvoltage> peppe84: are any of the people you have worked with today present now?
[21:03] <peppe84> no italian member in this channel, I think...
[21:03] <peppe84> perhaps Claudinux but is away?
[21:04] <czajkowski> ok there is a meeting on now
[21:04] <czajkowski> so we need to wrap this up
[21:05] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on peppe84 membership. ONLY COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTE PLEASE
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[21:05] <czajkowski> +1
[21:05] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:05] <popey> +1
[21:05] <MootBot> +1 received from popey. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:06] <drubin> +1
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[21:06] <czajkowski> highvoltage: ping
[21:06] <highvoltage> czajkowski: pong
[21:06] <czajkowski> vote
[21:06] <czajkowski> please :)
[21:06] <highvoltage> I'm still deciding
[21:07] <peppe84> highvoltage, ask me if you would ;-)
[21:07] <highvoltage> +1
[21:07] <MootBot> +1 received from highvoltage. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:07] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:07] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[21:07] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[21:07] <highvoltage> peppe84: congratulations and welcome!
[21:08] <peppe84> highvoltage, thanks
[21:08] <czajkowski> unfortunately we need to cute the meeting short as the CC is up next
[21:08] <peppe84> thanks at all ;-)
[21:08] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[21:08] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:08.
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, peppe84
[21:08] <peppe84> thanks charlie-tca
[21:08] <MichealH> czajkowski: When will we continue the meeting?
[21:08] <m4n1sh> congrats peppe84
[21:08] <ricotz> czajkowski, can we move to another channel?
[21:09] <peppe84> m4n1sh, to you too :-)
[21:09] <highvoltage> sorry to those we couldn't get to, seems like this meeting was bad timeing for some EMEA board members, please attend the next one!
[21:09]  * drubin added peppe84  to ~ubuntumembers
[21:09] <czajkowski> next month
[21:09] <czajkowski> our meeting is only 1 hour long and we've already gone over.
[21:10] <ricotz> czajkowski, so another channel is no option? :(
[21:10] <czajkowski> no not really
[21:10] <czajkowski> so next month.
[21:10] <victorp> ooh :)
[21:10] <czajkowski> council members have had to gto
[21:10] <czajkowski> go
[21:10] <drubin> See you guys back again next month.
[21:11] <highvoltage> ah I thought you missed an 'f' in there
[21:11] <pleia2> ok everyone, starting a bit late but Community Council meeting is now :)
[21:11] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[21:11] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:11. The chair is pleia2.
[21:11] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:11] <pleia2> stgraber: do you happen to be around?
[21:12] <pleia2> err
[21:12] <czajkowski> pleia2: he had to leave
[21:12] <pleia2> sladen:
[21:12] <pleia2> sorry :)
[21:12] <pleia2> (darn tab in big channels)
[21:12] <Ddorda> ‎pleia2: is it going to be interesting or i shouldn't follow? :P
[21:12] <pleia2> Ddorda: everyone is welcome :)
[21:12] <Ddorda> ‎okie dokie :)
[21:13] <pleia2> but we don't have an agenda and not many folks are here, so I think it'll be a short meeting
[21:13] <pleia2> the only thing on the agenda is from several months back, not sure if it's still open: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[21:13] <MichealH> I can get involved?
[21:13] <pleia2> the redirect referenced in the bug was put in place, but I think there was more to it that sladen can expand upon
[21:14] <pleia2> MichealH: involved with what?
[21:14] <highvoltage> is sladen around?
[21:14] <MichealH> pleia2: The meeeting! But I have been told to observe
[21:15] <Ddorda> ‎MichealH: [23:12] <pleia2> Ddorda: everyone is welcome :)
[21:17] <pleia2> ok, no more agenda items, but I did want to mention that there have been some complaints about the CC not actually having these regular meetings and not doing team reports, so I wanted to speak to that quickly
[21:17] <pleia2> we've lacked an agenda for several months, so meetings haven't taken place
[21:18] <pleia2> team reports are a similar reflection of this, no agenda items and meetings, no reports
[21:18] <pleia2> however, we have decided that since there ARE public things we do (like board restaffing and CoC changes) we will start adding these to a team report
[21:19] <pleia2> that's all I've got :)
[21:20] <Ddorda> ‎pleia2: may i ask when was the last CoC changes? we translated the CoC and i want to make sure it is still updated
[21:20] <pleia2> if you do have public things you want to bring to the community council at a meeting, please feel free to check out the history of our Agenda page to see what kinds of things people have added in the past, you're welcome to add your own
[21:20] <pleia2> Ddorda: october 2009
[21:20] <Ddorda> ‎oh, so i guess it is updated. thanks :)
[21:21] <pleia2> sure :)
[21:22] <pleia2> ok, I think we'll just wrap things up, feel free to nudge me if you have any questions
[21:22] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[21:22] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:22.
[21:22] <Technoviking> sorry for being late, Oracle problem
[21:22] <Technoviking> d'oh
[21:22]  * maco snorts
[21:23] <highvoltage> thanks pleia2
[21:24] <pleia2> Technoviking: anything to add?
[21:24] <Technoviking> pleia2: not here
[21:28] <ricotz> highvoltage, any chance to continue the emea meeting if the board member are still around?
[21:28] <drubin> ricotz: No. We don't have all the members and it isn't the meeting slot. Sorry
[21:29] <ricotz> drubin, alright, i am not sure if i can be around for the next one
[21:34] <drubin> ricotz: We have them every month.
[21:34] <drubin> bye
[21:36] <Ddorda> ‎ricotz: the next meeting is on jan 4th
[21:37] <ricotz> Ddorda, yes, i know ;-), that is why i know that i might be not around
[21:37] <highvoltage> ricotz: I guess you'll be able to make it in February then
[21:39] <ricotz> highvoltage, ok
[21:39] <Ddorda> ‎drubin: circumstances, is it possible to consider him in the next meeting even though, if, he won't be around?
[21:49] <pleia2> ricotz: if you're able to make the meeting time of either the Americas (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas) or Asia/Pacific (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania) boards you're welcome to apply to those
[21:50] <pleia2> the boards are regional to cater to different time zones, but it doesn't prevent folks from applying for different boards if they are able to attend at the meeting time :)
[21:50] <pleia2> next one is Americas, Friday, December 17th, 2010 at 01:00:00 UTC
[22:20]  * popey returns
[22:20] <popey> thanks pleia2
[23:37] <sladen> pleia2: highvoltage: oops, I was overcome by sleep at just the wrong monent!
[23:38] <pleia2> sladen: no worries, it was just an old agenda item I was checking in on :) hope you got the rest you needed