=== jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === yofel_ is now known as yofel === AndrewMC is now known as SpockVulcan === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC === noy_ is now known as noy === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [08:26] * peppe84 is away: [08:38] !away | peppe84 [08:38] peppe84: You should avoid noisy away messages and -nicks in a busy channel like #ubuntu, or other Ubuntu channels; it causes excessive scrolling which is unfair to new users. Use the command "/away " to set your client away silently. See also «/msg ubottu Guidelines» [08:59] nigelb, sorry. ok turn off away [08:59] * peppe84 is away: [08:59] * peppe84 is back (gone 00:00:13) [10:09] !now [10:11] anyone come from Asia/Oceania Board? [10:11] @now [10:11] Current time in Etc/UTC: December 07 2010, 10:11:58 [10:12] Looks like no meeting today either. [10:13] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar give me Asia/Oceania board meeting [10:14] Its supposed to happen today, but the board hasn't really met since October I think [10:15] but here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [10:15] it is mentioned today's date [10:16] nigelb: all board? [10:16] I am also waiting for the meeting [10:16] maqtanim: yes, today [10:16] well, if the wiki mentions today, then I really hope it happens [10:17] maqtanim: let ask nhandler [10:17] persia, lifeless ^^ [10:17] and amachu :D [10:19] udienz: nhandler is away :( [10:23] meeting has been started yet? [10:24] ogitux: no sign of meeting :( [10:24] though it is 10:25 UTC [10:24] but no one from the board showed up [10:26] and there is another meeting of ubuntu-audio-dev team [10:26] at 11:00 UTC [10:26] so we've almost 30 minutes left [10:28] well there is an emea board meeting tonight if folks want to come to that [10:29] czajkowski: at what time? [10:30] Vantrax [10:30] Aye [10:30] maqtanim: 8pm utc [10:30] Finally managed to get on on my phone [10:31] Better late than never ;) [10:31] we have meeting now but where is the others ? [10:31] I guess [10:31] I hate being late [10:32] Attendance has been poor [10:32] So nobody is here from the board? [10:32] Yes [10:33] Tak is here, elky is too [10:33] So what is the procedure of the meeting? [10:33] Vantrax, elky, persia [10:34] hi [10:34] So we meet quorum [10:34] i am in nz at the moment, sorry for being wonky on times [10:34] I think I have to start sending emails again [10:35] if we have quorum, can we start, It's 23:35 here for me right now [10:36] We also need to keep the website updated to o [10:36] * udienz ready [10:36] Who has the list? I'm mobile atm [10:37] * maqtanim is ready [10:37] ogitux [10:37] ogitux, are you here? [10:37] You here? [10:38] shani? [10:38] * nobuto is here [10:38] shani has a responder script, so probably afk [10:39] Ok keep going [10:39] maqtanim, is next in queue [10:39] yeah I am here [10:40] then now would be when you paste your pre-prepared introduction. [10:41] I am Adnan Quaium. Currently I am studying in Technical Univ of Delft. Although I am not a IT professional or a software developer (I am actually an Electrical engineer), enthusiasm for Linux and Ubuntu brought me here in the Ubuntu community. I believe in Open-source philosophy. I am using Ubuntu and trying to spread Ubuntu within my local community. [10:41] elky yes [10:42] We will come back to you [10:43] maqtanim, What contributions are you basing your application on? [10:44] well I am regualr in my local IRC channel #UbuntuBD [10:44] I write Bangla tutorials and articles concerning Ubuntu and Linux to promote Ubuntu within the Bangladeshi users. [10:44] Links to pages? [10:44] http://www.linux.org.bd/post/author/ovroniil [10:45] Vantrax sorry which pages? [10:46] also I designed some bengali ubuntu promotional buttons [10:46] and designed posters for UBuntu release party [10:46] Your wiki page [10:46] Vantrax https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim [10:49] to be precisely ... my contributions can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim#My%20Contributions [10:49] maqtanim, do you have blog that tell your contributions?, maybe with some picture or photos ? ;) [10:50] We have a blog in Bangladesh Linux Users Alliances website [10:50] I published my works there [10:50] http://www.linux.org.bd/post/author/ovroniil [10:50] but those are written in Bengali [10:51] in Bangali online community I am known as ovroniil [10:52] Sorry disconnected for a min there [10:52] * Ekushey is here to support maqtanim [10:52] Vantrax_ did you get my wiki page? [10:52] Ekushey thanks :) [10:53] Yep, good page [10:53] Vantrax_ thanks :) [10:55] where's the rest of our quorum? [10:55] Reading his page, I'm good tho [10:57] elky: me [10:57] udienz, do you have questions for him? [10:57] elky: not yet, i think maqtanim is a good contributor [10:58] udienz thanks :) [10:59] ok, we usually try to avoid spending half of our meeting on a single person, so can we vote. I think we also risk going in to another meeting's time [11:00] * udienz waiting [11:00] being the founder of ubuntu-bd locoteam I can vouch for maqtanim -- if that counts [11:00] he made a tremendous contribution is many ways [11:01] Ekushey = Russel Jhon? [11:01] udienz hi mate! yes :) [11:01] ah.. hello Ekushey [11:01] * diwic is waiting for previous meeting to finish before starting the ubuntu-audio-dev meeting. [11:01] Ok [11:03] ugh, we didn't start the bot [11:03] #startmeeting [11:03] Meeting started at 05:03. The chair is elky. [11:03] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:03] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim [11:03] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/maqtanim [11:04] We have to vote and hand off. We will have to do the others next time [11:04] [vote] maqtanim membership application [11:04] Please vote on: maqtanim membership application. [11:04] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [11:04] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [11:04] +1 [11:04] +1 received from Vantrax. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [11:04] +1 [11:04] +1 received from elky. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [11:04] +1 [11:04] +1 received from takdir. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [11:05] ah cool, congrats maqtanim :) [11:05] where's our fourth in the quorum? [11:05] udienz? [11:05] Sorry to those we could not get to [11:05] thanks a lot guys :) [11:06] elky: i'm applicant [11:06] oh, then why did you respond as quorum earlier? [11:06] ugh, [11:06] this isn't done until we've had a quorum vote [11:06] We will get you next time or through our list if your wiki is strong enough [11:07] nigelb? [11:07] Oh darn [11:07] are you on the board yet? [11:08] is there a member short in quoram? [11:08] Not yet but im working on it [11:08] this does seem to be rather poorly organised folks. [11:08] not very fair on applicants. [11:09] Nope, and its an ongoing problem with this board [11:10] which we've been trying to fix since it's inception. [11:10] Has always been a problem with this board [11:10] Makes me pull my hair out [11:11] ummm so what happens now? [11:11] we try to find someone on membership board who can cast the final vote. [11:12] We process what we can via the mailing list and notify aplicants and da [11:12] I guess that can be done via email? I see +3 :) [11:12] i don't think that's published proceedure I'm afraid [11:12] And deal with the rest next time [11:12] Ekushey, yes, but a -1 would null that. [11:12] o/ [11:13] It can be done [11:13] elky oh sorry I wasn't aware of that [11:13] jussi, can you refer to the scrollback and decide on maqtanim [11:13] wait, reading :) [11:13] Danke [11:15] Ekushey, it's rare to need less than +3, and rare for a quorum less than 4, for obvious reasons. [11:15] From discussions on the cc list it looks like you can vote via mailing list [11:16] Vantrax, is it on a wiki page somewhere yet though? [11:16] yes, the vote should go to the ML, then the applicant is approved based on the ML approval. [11:16] I think we do that for those that turned up where possible [11:16] good idea [11:17] elky, are you long from finished? Perhaps we should have the ubuntu-audio-dev meeting in another channel or so [11:17] diwic, we are waiting on jussi casting a vote I think [11:17] Anyway, jussi can give a +1 [11:18] elky: I am not comfortable giving a +1 at this time - why not just take it to the ML? [11:18] #endvote [11:18] We are done, sorry to messyou around [11:18] [endvote[ [11:18] [endvote] [11:18] Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 3 [11:18] #endmeeting [11:18] Meeting finished at 05:18. [11:18] and isnt 3 +1's enough for the quorum - dont you have 5 people in the board? [11:18] Ill send out an email when I get home [11:19] ok, let's start ubuntu-audio-dev meeting then [11:19] #startmeeting [11:19] Meeting started at 05:19. The chair is diwic. [11:19] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [11:19] jussi, 4 is a quorum [11:19] Sadly more [11:19] k [11:19] good morning all [11:19] [TOPIC] Anything in particular we want to discuss? [11:19] New Topic: Anything in particular we want to discuss? [11:20] [TOPIC] PulseAudio 0.9.22 [11:20] New Topic: PulseAudio 0.9.22 [11:20] Yes, the seemingly former pulse debian maintainer has put out a call for people to join pkg-pulse and help. [11:20] Asia - Oceania RMB is ended? [11:20] * TheMuso has submitted a request to join. [11:20] TheMuso, what kind of help ? [11:20] ronoc: Packaging. [11:20] hi [11:20] grand [11:21] TheMuso, I was hoping to get around to doing a pulse module before xmas [11:21] which fades volumes on mute action [11:21] ronoc: Cool. [11:21] TheMuso, so will PulseAudio-stable-queue be maintained in Debian and flow down to Ubuntu? [11:21] Does that not need volume ramping? [11:21] i have some gdbus port work before then but next week is looking likely [11:21] diwic: Long term, yes that would be good. [11:22] It all depends on how often I can get sponsorship for Debian. [11:22] TheMuso, i don't know, I would like to circumvent the click which happens now when mute is triggered [11:22] TheMuso, hmm, perhaps applying for DM isn't that hard [11:23] diwic: Probably not, but I'd need some work under my belt in Debian first though. [11:24] TheMuso, but this maintainership in Debian, is it something you feel you'll handle yourself or are you looking for help from one of us? [11:24] about pa-0.9.22, I pushed TheMuso's package to a PPA for maverick, and diwic and I discussed about probably having an official PPA, so should we have that PPA? [11:25] diwic: I'll likely handle it myself, but help is always welcome. [11:25] the temp PPA is https://launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/+archive/ppa [11:25] rodrigo_: The ubuntu-audio-dev PPAs are as official as it gets. :) [11:25] You should have upload access. [11:25] oh, didn't know about it [11:25] There is a PPA for maverick and lucid. [11:26] TheMuso, right, so we should push 0.9.22 to the standard u-a-d ppa [11:26] oh, cool, will upload it latert then [11:26] i must down grade actually, I still have the trunk ppa from just after orlando [11:26] diwic: Yeah, sounds like rodrigo_ will take care of it. [11:26] ronoc: Yeah we need to set up daily builds of git master at some point. [11:26] TheMuso, sounds good [11:27] TheMuso, was not the decision taken to stick with stable queue [11:27] ? [11:27] yes, uploading as we speak [11:27] ronoc: Yes, but daily builds of git master are still useful for testing. [11:28] ronoc, about the click, that can be more difficult than it looks like; sometimes its unavoidable as there are external amplifiers turning on and off [11:28] TheMuso, sure [11:28] ronoc, but there was an interesting patch which I think is in master about reducing volume very quickly to avoid loudness bumps for automatic gain control [11:28] diwic, I know but some investigation would be a useful exercise at least so the next time somebody rocks up a uds and goes on about the click I will have a story to tell :) [11:29] diwic, cool, can you point me towards it ? [11:29] ronoc, sure, remind me after the meeting and I'll try to look it up [11:29] will do [11:30] [TOPIC] module-jackdbus-detect [11:30] New Topic: module-jackdbus-detect [11:30] * diwic has written a PA module :-) [11:30] excellent [11:30] cool [11:30] And its in stable queue. [11:30] It detects when jackdbus is running and starts jack sink and jack source [11:30] Well the first patch is. [11:31] diwic, on launchpad ? [11:31] TheMuso, I went with the modifying-Makefile.in approach [11:31] diwic: cool. [11:31] TheMuso, painful but it worked [11:32] ronoc, Pulseaudio in my ppa has the module enabled [11:32] the open question is the second patch, if we want to enable it by default or not [11:33] okay so exactly this allows pulse to sit on top of jack ? [11:33] diwic: Exposing through paprefs does sound useful though. [11:33] and if so, if we want to just present the source/sink or autoconnect it to jack soundcard ports [11:33] ronoc, that's already possible, but this automates the possibility [11:34] diwic, okay, how is the performance ? [11:34] TheMuso, so you're for the paprefs approach, other opinions? [11:35] ronoc, hmm, good enough I assume? [11:35] diwic, TheMuso , paprefs sounds good, I would need to play with it to see how it may be used [11:36] ronoc, so in my version it starts on PA startup [11:36] paprefs is not installed by default, btw [11:36] good point [11:37] so, what are you exposing in paprefs, sorry? [11:37] rodrigo_, a checkbox whether to enable the module or not [11:37] hmm, ok [11:37] doesn't sound to user-friendly to have it in gnome-volume-control I guess [11:38] rodrigo_, naah, it's not that mainstream IMO [11:38] anyway, since this only works with the dbus-enabled version of jack, it might make sense to switch to that version by default in Natty, do you agree? [11:39] yup [11:39] +1 [11:39] Jackd2 s already the default. [11:39] Anybody wanna look into qjackctl enabling the dbus mode by default as well? [11:40] Are there more common jack control apps we should have a look at? [11:40] That shouldn't be hard, just a patch to the qjackctl source. [11:41] I could try next week perhaps, depending on work load, playlists may land in banshee and if so I need to do my side of things [11:41] I can look into it myself if you like [11:41] if you have time that would be great [11:42] we should also merge the jackdbus patch [11:42] Yeah I will update to latest stable queue tomorrow I think./ [11:42] I was also thinking of announcing it on ubuntu-studio ML, perhaps to ask for opinions there as well [11:43] TheMuso, sounds good [11:43] diwic, good idea [11:44] [ACTION] diwic to look into qjackctl -> enable dbus by default [11:44] ACTION received: diwic to look into qjackctl -> enable dbus by default [11:44] [ACTION] TheMuso to package latest stable-queue in Natty [11:44] ACTION received: TheMuso to package latest stable-queue in Natty [11:44] are people on natty already ? [11:44] no [11:44] I am [11:44] stable ? [11:45] Yes. [11:45] natty here [11:45] well, not fully up-to-date, just update the packages I need [11:45] but yes, quite stable [11:45] how has banshee been behaving ? [11:45] ronoc, playing music with it right now :) [11:45] ronoc, no problems so far [11:45] not sure I have the very latest though, let me check [11:45] i have noticed some funnies on maverick but this could be to do with my git master pa [11:46] yes, up to date [11:46] stream stopping mid stream and then resuming a few seconds later [11:46] could be a number of things though [11:46] hmm, now that I remember, I sometimes get, as in maverick, the crippling sound [11:47] crippling sound ? [11:47] that is, playing something, then it starts crippling, and then you stop playback for a while, and resume and it works [11:47] it also happens on totem though [11:47] * diwic notices yet another name for how sound can be broken. [11:47] so seems a gstreamer/pa issue [11:47] well, not sure if that's the correct word :) [11:48] rodrigo_, ah okay understood, there are few gremlins between gstreamer and pa [11:48] pa_stream_size_write_failed etc [11:48] ok [11:48] ...which brings us to the next topic [11:49] bugs ? [11:49] [TOPIC] Any bugs to look out for and allocate resources for solving [11:49] New Topic: Any bugs to look out for and allocate resources for solving [11:49] Just to inform, I've started looking into fighting rewinds [11:49] Haven't really ben paying attention with bugs recently. [11:50] I haven't noticed anything startling, and have been focusing on dev as opposed to bug hunting [11:50] Seems like abnormal number of rewinds is one of the most common reasons sounds is stuttering in PA or PA crashes [11:50] diwic, right so this related to that dvd playback bug ? [11:51] that one totem often gets blamed for [11:51] diwic, yes, seems so [11:51] Unfortunately this problem is quite complex [11:51] i would imagine [11:51] Both gstreamer and PA are doing things in an inoptimal ways, and sometimes it "tips over" [11:52] and less CPU power means more likely to "tip over" [11:52] i e trigger the bug [11:52] ronoc, I'm not really familiar with any one-and-only dvd playback bug, perhaps you can point me to it [11:54] I gotta bail shortly guys, gotta get to bed. [11:54] TheMuso, ok, we'll speed up a little [11:54] [TOPIC] Anything in particular we've been working on the previous week [11:54] New Topic: Anything in particular we've been working on the previous week [11:54] gdbus port of the mpris backend for the sound service [11:55] removal of libindicate from the registration process for media players who wish to be used in the menu [11:55] branch merged [11:55] I've been writing module-jackdbus-detect, and started looking into the rewind stuff. Other than that, it's been quite a lot of hwe (hardware enablement) activities. [11:56] Actually I've started writing some on the audio apport symptom too [11:57] I've started packaging ossproxy, as discussed in last meeting, no luck so far, the official tarball doesn't even compile, I think because it needs a newer libfuse, but not sure yet, I have been off for national holidays since Thursday, so will be back to it later [11:57] But it's far from complete [11:57] rodrigo_: Interesting. If I get some time, I'll take a look myself. [11:57] also, I started looking at diwic's apport stuff, and looking at docs for how to show an image on the dialog [11:58] TheMuso, I'll push my packaging branch later on, so that you cna pick up from there, ok? [11:58] diwic, rodrigo_ , is it not just a gconf setting [11:58] rodrigo_: Sounds good. [11:58] a button on the UI "report problem" [11:58] ronoc, oh, is it? [11:58] just trying to remember what we said at uds [11:59] ronoc, what is a gconf setting? [11:59] diwic, an easy way to expose an option on the UI [11:59] pitti, is there any way to show an image in apport dialogs, from a symptom module? [11:59] rodrigo_: not right now, I'm afraid [12:00] diwic, rodrigo_ I can find out for next week [12:00] rodrigo_, it's just a nice to have; so maybe we don't need to make that a priority at the moment [12:00] i will take this action [12:00] ronoc, the image in apport action, you mean? [12:01] diwic, yes, sure [12:01] Ok anything else? [12:01] rodrigo_, the updating of the g-v-c so as a button is on the dialog saying 'report problem' [12:01] which then brings you to the apport symptoms dialgo [12:01] og [12:02] ronoc, ah, ok [12:02] sorry getting mixed up [12:02] [TOPIC] Anything in particular we plan to do the coming week [12:02] New Topic: Anything in particular we plan to do the coming week [12:02] np :) [12:02] [ACTION] ronoc to look into g-v-c to add button to trigger audio apport symptom [12:02] ACTION received: ronoc to look into g-v-c to add button to trigger audio apport symptom [12:02] finish off this gdbus port, if playlists land, work on my side of the playlists mpris carry on, and ^ [12:03] Update pulse in natty to latest stable queue. [12:03] I'll like have a lot of hwe activity but if time permits, continue on rewind and audio apport symtpom [12:03] Try and make time to look at ossproxy. [12:03] diwic, I hope to have free cycles after New Year to get involved in apport [12:03] finish ossproxy packaging, get pitti to let me know what would be needed in apport for showing the image [12:03] awolfson, sounds good [12:04] ok, anything else? [12:04] not from me [12:04] not from me [12:04] oh, next meeting [12:04] My calendar applet is a little strange but it looks like two-weeks-from-now, this time, is busy [12:05] * TheMuso will not be here on the 21st, I have leave that I am taking from the 16th. [12:05] * awolfson hopes he will in Carribean on vacation [12:06] 19-26 [12:06] sounds nice [12:06] So you guys feel free to go ahead and make a time. [12:06] beats ireland in December [12:06] next week, same time is good for me [12:06] yeah I can do this time next week. [12:07] TheMuso, do you want it earlier ? [12:07] ronoc: no its fine. [12:07] grand [12:07] ping [12:07] pong [12:08] anyway guys, gotta run. [12:08] grand talk later luke [12:08] I'm off next week [12:08] ping? [12:08] well perhaps this is the last meeting for the year, and we have one first week back in January, i.e the 3rd. [12:09] diwic: connection troubles? [12:09] diwic, So when is the next meeting? You will post on the list? [12:09] sorry, the 4th [12:09] yup 4th [12:09] TheMuso, yes [12:10] 4th january works for me [12:10] Sounds good. [12:10] Ok really off now. [12:10] 4th it is, meeting done ? [12:10] ok [12:10] #endmeeting [12:10] Meeting finished at 06:10. [12:10] ok [12:10] talk soon guys [12:11] diwic, that pa module sounds interesting, could you ping me a location whenever you get a moment [12:12] ronoc, so if you want to test it, it's in my ppa (just install the pulseaudio and pulse-module-jack packages) [12:12] ronoc, if you want to see the source, it's here: [12:13] diwic, I would like to test your work but also take a look at the volume adjustment module you mentioned [12:13] https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2010-December/008347.html [12:13]