[00:00] Pici: You can't prove anything! [00:01] My little $40 keylogger says otherwise. [00:01] Really bugs me when people talk bad about Quebec :/ [00:01] Then tell them to stop, and we'll kick them out when they don't. [00:02] It bugs me when people forget that -ot is an international channel where you aren't just hanging out with a few local people. [00:02] He did have a point about Qcers mistreating the Oners [00:02] but them ONers deserve it lol [00:24] watching #freenode gives me a feeling that #ubuntu isn't such a hellhole after all [00:28] oh lord, yet another respin of sorts [00:29] http://pinguy-os.sourceforge.net/ [00:30] I wonder in how many ways is that one fumbled together [01:28] xangua called the ops in #ubuntu (MaJJiXShaDOW) [01:31] * Pici lurks [01:58] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from rudyred) [01:58] xangua called the ops in #ubuntu (rudyred) [02:00] chanserv script has a little bug :/ [02:01] what's the bug? [02:02] when setting a timed mute (+q) if the user parts the channel or the mute is manually removed before the time expires the script will +o and stay there [02:03] I guess we'll find out how autobleh deals with it in *checks watch* 5 minutes. [02:03] that is the reason for my "magic" +o earlier today [02:05] When you got opped in #freenode? Neat! [02:05] heh, yeah. chanserv.py ops in #freenode even if you are not on the access list [02:06] Did I get opped in #freenode again today? [02:06] Dunno. All the days blend together for me. [02:07] I hear you [02:08] looke like it worked. [02:08] Answer: it redundantly removes the +q [02:08] but it still removed it [02:09] another point for irssi [02:11] irssi also has a script that tells you to check your cup of coffee and refill it [04:21] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [04:21] ban forward [04:21] he asked for it [04:22] that's not a forward, hun ;P [04:22] yeah I know sugar [04:22] thought about it and figured he can find his own way [04:23] i agree [04:24] I for one enjoy that Comcast's IP leases are mostly static :) [04:25] yup and rebooting your modem/router doesn't always get you a new ip [04:25] wait, that's what you said [04:25] usually doesn't, in fact. mine changes once or twice a year. [04:25] I liked comcast for that when I had it [04:40] Did I miss the memo informing me about troll night? [04:41] I ate yours. trolololol [04:41] hahahaha hohohohoho hihiihihihi [04:41] olaaaaaaa! [04:41] * IdleOne stabs rww with a nerf sword [04:42] checked the moon phase? [04:42] the moon is in phase, yes. [04:43] two weeks until next full moon [04:43] rww: right in phase with where it should be! [04:43] IdleOne: are you fazed by the trolls? [04:43] hrm, false alarm then [04:43] fazed, hmm, how do you mean? [04:44] oh awesome, that means full moon gets to be... right on last-minute-christmas-shopping [04:45] * IdleOne makes pastries [04:45] cinnabun anyone? [04:45] what you do [04:45] oh. failscript. [04:45] yeah [05:01] !-grub2 [05:01] grub2 is grub - added by gnomefreak on 2009-07-21 11:51:42 - last edited by jussi on 2010-11-28 15:34:07 [05:01] jussi: You are silly, make !grub2 not talk about grub1. [05:02] why? [05:02] some people still using grub legacy [05:02] because it's rather confusing for 2/3 of the sentences in a factoid to be unrelated to the actual topic? [05:02] Yes, which is why we had !grub and !grub2 separate. [05:03] Well, make a smart factoid that isn't confuzzling [05:03] include both so we have only 1 factoid :) [05:04] I submit that making an already-confusing topic even more confusing by arbitrarily squishing together the instructions for two very different pieces of software is silly. [05:05] dude, fix it [05:05] jussi: Go look in the database export and figure out what !grub and !grub2 said before they were changed, I am le tired. [05:07] or, I could check the logs! [05:08] In ubottu, rww said: !no, grub2 is GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10. For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [05:08] In ubottu, rww said: !no, grub is grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [05:10] * rww reads log, finds arguments unconvincing, shrugs since these edits will go the same place that all the other ones do anyway [05:11] rww: Why call one Karmic (9.10) and the other Ubuntu 9.10? [05:12] Flannel: because I copypasted what they used to say. [05:14] What about a linkback from grub2 to grub? [05:17] In ubottu, rww said: !grub is GRUB is the default boot manager in Ubuntu. For new installations of Ubuntu 9.10 and above, GRUB2 is default; for information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 . For older versions, GRUB is default; see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto . [05:17] ^ if y'all disagree with me about smushing them together being silly. [05:18] whatever works best. [05:18] although I guess that last GRUB should be GRUB1 to avoid confusion. [05:18] rww: No one calls it "grub1" [05:19] GRUB Legacy [05:19] +1 [05:19] * Jordan_U notes irony [05:20] It gets even more fun when you note that the current stable release of GRUB2 is version 1.98. Lolwat. [05:20] well, grub1 was 0.98 [05:20] Also, about half the alises to grub,should now point to grub2 [05:20] !grub2 [05:20] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [05:20] !grub [05:20] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [05:21] Actually, I sort of think most of the aliases (all?) pointing to grub should point to grub2 [05:22] Would it be more prudent to deprecate "grub1", replace it with grub2 stuff, and give it it's own Legacy factoid? [05:22] How's everyone feel about that [05:23] or make !grub1, !grub2, and !grub as a disambiguation factoid? [05:23] No, !grub is grub2 (9.10 EOL is April, etc), then grub1 (and grub legacy, or whatnot) talks about grub1 [05:23] Flannel: 8.04 LTS as well. [05:24] Most people now (and moreso in the future) won't know about Grub2 vs Grub1, just that they're using GRUB [05:24] Jordan_U: Well, and 6.06 [05:24] 8.04 EOL is April for Desktop too [05:24] but we're carrying GRUB(1) info for 6.06, 8.04, and 9.10 (for a few more months) [05:25] Everyone else is using v2, and the majority of those folks don't even know they're using v2 until they're told about it with those factoids [05:27] I wonder when grub legacy users will be automatically migrated to grub2. I don't expect it to be any time soon. [05:27] oh hey, 6.06 finally dies in June. thank goodness [05:28] rww: hater :( [05:28] Jordan_U: certainly not, no. [05:28] Flannel: works for me, though I imagine the transition for #ubuntu helper people will be a little confusing [05:28] Actually, we should weave that into the factoid(s)too if we can [05:29] that if you installed/upgraded, you might not have 2 [05:30] hrm. !grub is GRUB is the default boot manager for Ubuntu. Ubuntu 9.10 and newer use GRUB2 by default; see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 . For older versions and upgrades, /msg ubottu !grub1 [05:32] and !grub1 is Versions of Ubuntu before 9.10 and upgrades from those versions use GRUB Legacy by default. For information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto . For newer versions, /msg ubottu !grub [05:32] clean up punctuation to suit :) [05:33] rww: You also have to carry the recover grub info, which isn't on the Grub2 page (or the GrubHowto page) [05:34] Flannel: Looks like it is to me... [05:34] Where? [05:35] "Reinstalling GRUB 2" and "Backup, Repairing and Reinstalling GRUB" headers [05:36] Eh. If we're going to count on that, we're going to have to re-arrange that page to make that more visible [05:36] I need to figure out what happened to the blueprint I started for simplifying recovering grub after installing windows. [07:14] Hello [07:14] hi [07:14] rww: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - What does it mean? [07:15] sresu: You need to make a nickserv account (if you haven't already) and log in to it to join that channel [07:15] !register [07:15] Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode [07:15] see the link for more info [07:15] Its not Ubuntu channels particularly [07:15] Anyway, thanks [09:29] !clone [09:29] To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate [09:31] See, that doesnt work for me - someone broke something? [09:31] ~$ aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages [09:31] E: Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression [09:38] ok, perhaps we need to add sudo to that... [09:42] was lmgtfy links spankworthy? [09:43] nvm, can't be bothered right now [10:23] brilliant feller that 'peer' [11:09] *sigh* [11:12] jussi, is ircc a membership board now? can you see to -meeting? [16:47] hrm. [16:56] Has anyone else noticed that ActionParsnip has been telling more and more users to google their answers? and also getting sidetracked? [16:58] ugh. [17:45] maco: you around? [17:46] I need some help with a -ru user, google is failing me [17:47] ? [17:48] genrik in #u but I think I might get him where he needs to be [17:50] got it :) [17:50] I suspect it's more stubborness than lack of language skills [17:50] Myrtti: possibly. [17:51] but he is in -ru now [18:39] "We have a comedian in our midst" [18:40] ? [18:42] just watching #ubuntu and quoting "Stripes" [19:56] !ipod [19:56] For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - For the iPhone and the iPod Touch, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod [20:35] * Myrtti facepalms [20:40] hm? [20:43] I think what happened is the Myrtti remembered what she thought she had forgotten yesterday and realised that it was unimportant causing her head to fall towards her hand. Just a theory :) [20:50] no I stayed awake until 3.30 wondering [20:51] I was just commenting the mailing list [20:51] she's remembering why she took hiatus [21:04] actually I think I'm having a minor panic attack but that's ok, been through these before... [21:09] * Pici sends Myrtti hugs [21:11] * knome intercepts the transmission and steals the hugs [21:19] * charlie-tca thinks "poor Myrtti" and sends another hug [21:19] HI HAY SIR [21:22] * IdleOne sends hugs to Myrtti [21:22] panic attacks suck [21:23] would be wicked if this wouldn't last for days, but oh well [21:23] being a bit short of breath all the time gets a bit old after a while [21:23] !iso [21:23] To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. [21:27] * Myrtti bites her knuckles [21:28] "Sorry, I left my telepathic mindreading hat at the office when I left work" [21:35] apparently, me too [21:35] I didn't know Win98 came on a DVD... [21:36] *cough* [21:37] Myrtti: you taught me patience... :-) [21:38] people who know me in IRL and on IRC are suprised how wellcomposed I'm in IRC [21:39] I swear like a pirate and lose my patience and temper very quickly IRL [21:39] I suppose telling him where to really go is bad, too, huh? [21:39] nah [21:40] I mean, I did tell him out loud, but I don't think I can type it... ;-) [21:40] it's the best thing to tell him really [21:40] offers a safe way to retreat [21:40] judging from the silence he's taken it [21:40] Yeah, that wasn't the same place [22:25] YAAAAARRRRRR! [22:25] * popey refrains from swaring like Myrtti [22:25] yeah, it hurts your blood pressure [22:25] don't do it kids [22:54] nitenite everyone, I'll go to bed to see how many hours I get to roll before passing out [23:02] night [23:03] good night