[00:00] <rww> Pici: You can't prove anything!
[00:01] <tonyyarusso> My little $40 keylogger says otherwise.
[00:01] <IdleOne> Really bugs me when people talk bad about Quebec :/
[00:01] <rww> Then tell them to stop, and we'll kick them out when they don't.
[00:02] <Pici> It bugs me when people forget that -ot is an international channel where you aren't just hanging out with a few local people.
[00:02] <IdleOne> He did have a point about Qcers mistreating the Oners
[00:02] <IdleOne> but them ONers deserve it lol
[00:24] <Myrtti> watching #freenode gives me a feeling that #ubuntu isn't such a hellhole after all
[00:28] <Myrtti> oh lord, yet another respin of sorts
[00:29] <Myrtti> http://pinguy-os.sourceforge.net/
[00:30] <Myrtti> I wonder in how many ways is that one fumbled together
[01:31]  * Pici lurks
[02:00] <IdleOne> chanserv script has a little bug :/
[02:01] <tsimpson> what's the bug?
[02:02] <IdleOne> when setting a timed mute (+q) if the user parts the channel or the mute is manually removed before the time expires the script will +o and stay there
[02:03] <rww> I guess we'll find out how autobleh deals with it in *checks watch* 5 minutes.
[02:03] <IdleOne> that is the reason for my "magic" +o earlier today
[02:05] <Pici> When you got opped in #freenode? Neat!
[02:05] <IdleOne> heh, yeah. chanserv.py ops in #freenode even if you are not on the access list
[02:06] <IdleOne> Did I get opped in #freenode again today?
[02:06] <Pici> Dunno. All the days blend together for me.
[02:07] <IdleOne> I hear you
[02:08] <Pici> looke like it worked.
[02:08] <rww> Answer: it redundantly removes the +q
[02:08] <IdleOne> but it still removed it
[02:09] <rww> another point for irssi
[02:11] <IdleOne> irssi also has a script that tells you to check your cup of coffee and refill it
[04:21] <IdleOne> ban forward
[04:21] <IdleOne> he asked for it
[04:22] <rww> that's not a forward, hun ;P
[04:22] <IdleOne> yeah I know sugar
[04:22] <IdleOne> thought about it and figured he can find his own way
[04:23] <rww> i agree
[04:24] <rww> I for one enjoy that Comcast's IP leases are mostly static :)
[04:25] <IdleOne> yup and rebooting your modem/router doesn't always get you a new ip
[04:25] <IdleOne> wait, that's what you said
[04:25] <rww> usually doesn't, in fact. mine changes once or twice a year.
[04:25] <IdleOne> I liked comcast for that when I had it
[04:40] <IdleOne> Did I miss the memo informing me about troll night?
[04:41] <rww> I ate yours. trolololol
[04:41] <IdleOne> hahahaha hohohohoho hihiihihihi
[04:41] <rww> olaaaaaaa!
[04:41]  * IdleOne stabs rww with a nerf sword
[04:42] <elky> checked the moon phase?
[04:42] <Flannel> the moon is in phase, yes.
[04:43] <rww> two weeks until next full moon
[04:43] <Flannel> rww: right in phase with where it should be!
[04:43] <rww> IdleOne: are you fazed by the trolls?
[04:43] <elky> hrm, false alarm then
[04:43] <IdleOne> fazed, hmm, how do you mean?
[04:44] <elky> oh awesome, that means full moon gets to be... right on last-minute-christmas-shopping
[04:45]  * IdleOne makes pastries
[04:45] <IdleOne> cinnabun anyone?
[04:45] <rww> what you do
[04:45] <rww> oh. failscript.
[04:45] <IdleOne> yeah
[05:01] <rww> !-grub2
[05:01] <rww> jussi: You are silly, make !grub2 not talk about grub1.
[05:02] <IdleOne> why?
[05:02] <IdleOne> some people still using grub legacy
[05:02] <rww> because it's rather confusing for 2/3 of the sentences in a factoid to be unrelated to the actual topic?
[05:02] <rww> Yes, which is why we had !grub and !grub2 separate.
[05:03] <IdleOne> Well, make a smart factoid that isn't confuzzling
[05:03] <IdleOne> include both so we have only 1 factoid :)
[05:04] <rww> I submit that making an already-confusing topic even more confusing by arbitrarily squishing together the instructions for two very different pieces of software is silly.
[05:05] <IdleOne> dude, fix it
[05:05] <rww> jussi: Go look in the database export and figure out what !grub and !grub2 said before they were changed, I am le tired.
[05:07] <rww> or, I could check the logs!
[05:10]  * rww reads log, finds arguments unconvincing, shrugs since these edits will go the same place that all the other ones do anyway
[05:11] <Flannel> rww: Why call one Karmic (9.10) and the other Ubuntu 9.10?
[05:12] <rww> Flannel: because I copypasted what they used to say.
[05:14] <Flannel> What about a linkback from grub2 to grub?
[05:17] <rww> ^ if y'all disagree with me about smushing them together being silly.
[05:18] <IdleOne> whatever works best.
[05:18] <rww> although I guess that last GRUB should be GRUB1 to avoid confusion.
[05:18] <Flannel> rww: No one calls it "grub1"
[05:19] <rww> GRUB Legacy
[05:19] <IdleOne> +1
[05:19]  * Jordan_U notes irony
[05:20] <rww> It gets even more fun when you note that the current stable release of GRUB2 is version 1.98. Lolwat.
[05:20] <Flannel> well, grub1 was 0.98
[05:20] <Flannel> Also, about half the alises to grub,should now point to grub2
[05:20] <Flannel> !grub2
[05:20] <Flannel> !grub
[05:21] <Flannel> Actually, I sort of think most of the aliases (all?) pointing to grub should point to grub2
[05:22] <Flannel> Would it be more prudent to deprecate "grub1", replace it with grub2 stuff, and give it it's own Legacy factoid?
[05:22] <Flannel> How's everyone feel about that
[05:23] <rww> or make !grub1, !grub2, and !grub as a disambiguation factoid?
[05:23] <Flannel> No, !grub is grub2 (9.10 EOL is April, etc), then grub1 (and grub legacy, or whatnot) talks about grub1
[05:23] <Jordan_U> Flannel: 8.04 LTS as well.
[05:24] <Flannel> Most people now (and moreso in the future) won't know about Grub2 vs Grub1, just that they're using GRUB
[05:24] <Flannel> Jordan_U: Well, and 6.06
[05:24] <Flannel> 8.04 EOL is April for Desktop too
[05:24] <Flannel> but we're carrying GRUB(1) info for 6.06, 8.04, and 9.10 (for a few more months)
[05:25] <Flannel> Everyone else is using v2, and the majority of those folks don't even know they're using v2 until they're told about it with those factoids
[05:27] <Jordan_U> I wonder when grub legacy users will be automatically migrated to grub2. I don't expect it to be any time soon.
[05:27] <rww> oh hey, 6.06 finally dies in June. thank goodness
[05:28] <Flannel> rww: hater :(
[05:28] <Flannel> Jordan_U: certainly not, no.
[05:28] <rww> Flannel: works for me, though I imagine the transition for #ubuntu helper people will be a little confusing
[05:28] <Flannel> Actually, we should weave that into the factoid(s)too if we can
[05:29] <Flannel> that if you installed/upgraded, you might not have 2
[05:30] <rww> hrm. !grub is <reply> GRUB is the default boot manager for Ubuntu. Ubuntu 9.10 and newer use GRUB2 by default; see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 . For older versions and upgrades, /msg ubottu !grub1
[05:32] <rww> and !grub1 is <reply> Versions of Ubuntu before 9.10 and upgrades from those versions use GRUB Legacy by default. For information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto . For newer versions, /msg ubottu !grub
[05:32] <rww> clean up punctuation to suit :)
[05:33] <Flannel> rww: You also have to carry the recover grub info, which isn't on the Grub2 page (or the GrubHowto page)
[05:34] <rww> Flannel: Looks like it is to me...
[05:34] <Flannel> Where?
[05:35] <rww> "Reinstalling GRUB 2" and "Backup, Repairing and Reinstalling GRUB" headers
[05:36] <Flannel> Eh.  If we're going to count on that, we're going to have to re-arrange that page to make that more visible
[05:36] <Jordan_U> I need to figure out what happened to the blueprint I started for simplifying recovering grub after installing windows.
[07:14] <sresu> Hello
[07:14] <rww> hi
[07:14] <sresu> rww: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - What does it mean?
[07:15] <rww> sresu: You need to make a nickserv account (if you haven't already) and log in to it to join that channel
[07:15] <rww> !register
[07:15] <rww> see the link for more info
[07:15] <sresu> Its not Ubuntu channels particularly
[07:15] <sresu> Anyway, thanks
[09:29] <jussi> !clone
[09:31] <jussi> See, that doesnt work for me - someone broke something?
[09:31] <jussi> ~$ aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages
[09:31] <jussi> E: Regex compilation error: Invalid preceding regular expression
[09:38] <jussi> ok, perhaps we need to add sudo to that...
[09:42] <Myrtti> was lmgtfy links spankworthy?
[09:43] <Myrtti> nvm, can't be bothered right now
[10:23] <Myrtti> brilliant feller that 'peer'
[11:09] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[11:12] <elky> jussi, is ircc a membership board now? can you see to -meeting?
[16:47] <Pici> hrm.
[16:56] <Pici> Has anyone else noticed that ActionParsnip has been telling more and more users to google their answers? and also getting sidetracked?
[16:58] <Pici> ugh.
[17:45] <IdleOne> maco: you around?
[17:46] <IdleOne> I need some help with a -ru user, google is failing me
[17:47] <Tm_T> ?
[17:48] <IdleOne> genrik in #u but I think I might get him where he needs to be
[17:50] <IdleOne> got it :)
[17:50] <Myrtti> I suspect it's more stubborness than lack of language skills
[17:50] <IdleOne> Myrtti: possibly.
[17:51] <IdleOne> but he is in -ru now
[18:39] <Myrtti> "We have a comedian in our midst"
[18:40] <IdleOne> ?
[18:42] <Myrtti> just watching #ubuntu and quoting "Stripes"
[19:56] <Myrtti> !ipod
[20:35]  * Myrtti facepalms
[20:40] <Pici> hm?
[20:43] <IdleOne> I think what happened is the Myrtti remembered what she thought she had forgotten yesterday and realised that it was unimportant causing her head to fall towards her hand. Just a theory :)
[20:50] <Myrtti> no I stayed awake until 3.30 wondering
[20:51] <Myrtti> I was just commenting the mailing list
[20:51] <elky> she's remembering why she took hiatus
[21:04] <Myrtti> actually I think I'm having a minor panic attack but that's ok, been through these before...
[21:09]  * Pici sends Myrtti hugs
[21:11]  * knome intercepts the transmission and steals the hugs
[21:19]  * charlie-tca thinks "poor Myrtti" and sends another hug
[21:19] <topyli> HI HAY SIR
[21:22]  * IdleOne sends hugs to Myrtti 
[21:22] <IdleOne> panic attacks suck
[21:23] <Myrtti> would be wicked if this wouldn't last for days, but oh well
[21:23] <Myrtti> being a bit short of breath all the time gets a bit old after a while
[21:23] <Myrtti> !iso
[21:27]  * Myrtti bites her knuckles
[21:28] <Myrtti> "Sorry, I left my telepathic mindreading hat at the office when I left work"
[21:35] <charlie-tca> apparently, me too
[21:35] <Myrtti> I didn't know Win98 came on a DVD...
[21:36] <Myrtti> *cough*
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Myrtti: you taught me patience... :-)
[21:38] <Myrtti> people who know me in IRL and on IRC are suprised how wellcomposed I'm in IRC
[21:39] <Myrtti> I swear like a pirate and lose my patience and temper very quickly IRL
[21:39] <charlie-tca> I suppose telling him where to really go is bad, too, huh?
[21:39] <Myrtti> nah
[21:40] <charlie-tca> I mean, I did tell him out loud, but I don't think I can type it... ;-)
[21:40] <Myrtti> it's the best thing to tell him really
[21:40] <Myrtti> offers a safe way to retreat
[21:40] <Myrtti> judging from the silence he's taken it
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that wasn't the same place
[22:25] <popey> YAAAAARRRRRR!
[22:25]  * popey refrains from swaring like Myrtti 
[22:25] <Myrtti> yeah, it hurts your blood pressure
[22:25] <Myrtti> don't do it kids
[22:54] <Myrtti> nitenite everyone, I'll go to bed to see how many hours I get to roll before passing out
[23:02] <IdleOne> night
[23:03] <charlie-tca> good night