[00:07] <obengdako> yeah man sorry was caught up reading for audio support holstein
[03:19] <Genji> greetings all! Hi, im DJ 47, using ubuntustudio 10.04 for djing in second life. Ubuntustudio has served me well.. but its now suffering with lack of space. So, i need to reinstall. I ask, how is realtime support for ubuntustudio 10.10?
[03:33] <holstein> Genji: hey
[03:33] <Genji> hiya. cool, someone responded. :) So... what do you know?
[03:33] <holstein> http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick
[03:34] <holstein> ^^ thats a post on how to get RT kernels in 10.10
[03:34] <holstein> i use 10.04 on my production machine
[03:34] <holstein> Genji: why not just add a hard drive?
[03:34] <Genji> same here.. but is 10.10 any better?
[03:34] <holstein> or clone your system over onto a larger drive?
[03:35] <Fezzler> what's the most current verison of LAME for REAPER
[03:35] <holstein> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[03:35] <holstein> ^^ i use tools from that disc to clone
[03:35] <holstein> copy wipe i think is the tool i like
[03:35] <Genji> hmm...
[03:36] <Genji> well.. don't have a bigger hdd.
[03:36] <holstein> OH
[03:36] <holstein> well, you gotta buy some gear then anyways...
[03:36] <holstein> and decide
[03:36] <Genji> could i clone to another ext3 partition, then grow that partition over the empty space?
[03:37] <holstein> Genji: what is on your HD ??
[03:38] <holstein> Fezzler: im not sure about reaper
[03:38] <Genji> currently a ntfs partition of 30 gigs, and ubuntustudio of 6 gigs. i have a ide hdd of 80 gigs i can use to store the stuff from my ntfs partition while i do whatever... so i can then clone my ubuntustudio onto the 30 gig partition?
[03:38] <holstein> Genji: in theory
[03:38] <Genji> then delete my 6 gig partition, then grow my 30 gig with the extra psace?
[03:39] <holstein> you should be able to resize
[03:39] <holstein> in gparted
[03:39] <holstein> just free up some space
[03:39] <Genji> so... i could end up with 36 gigs of ubuntu.
[03:39] <holstein> and grow the buntu prt
[03:39] <holstein> part*
[03:39] <holstein> partition*
[03:39] <holstein> Genji: i would backup first
[03:40] <holstein> i have borked parts doing that
[03:40] <holstein> i grew an xp install recently
[03:40] <holstein> and had to redo the boot sector or whatever it is
[03:40] <holstein> fixmbr?
[03:41] <holstein> Genji: 10.10 has JACK2
[03:41] <holstein> pulse to jack bridge
[03:41] <holstein> newer versions of apps
[03:41] <holstein> some apps
[03:41] <Genji> eek. what about just rsyncing the contents of my first hdd to
[03:41] <Genji> the second?
[03:41] <Genji> would the second hdd boot?
[03:42] <Genji> after grubbing it of course.
[03:42] <holstein> hmmm
[03:42] <holstein> dd maybe
[03:42] <holstein> im not sure
[03:42] <holstein> ive never tried
[03:42] <holstein> i just use tools that do that for sure
[03:43] <Genji> jack2 pulse to jack bridge, exposing indivual application sources to jackd?
[03:43] <holstein> Genji: you mean from pulse?
[03:43] <holstein> im not sure
[03:43] <holstein> i dont use it
[03:43] <holstein> i use a PPA though
[03:43] <holstein> falktx's PPA
[03:44] <holstein> that adds most of that to 10.04
[03:44] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid
[03:44] <holstein> ive never needed anything from pulse in JACK
[03:44] <holstein> but im glad to see the development happening
[03:45] <holstein> i think JACK2 has been helpful for my firewire device
[03:45] <holstein> a bit
[03:51] <Genji> so, to install ubuntustudio 10.10 with ubuntustudio-audio, id need to manually install the realtime deb, before ubuntustudio installer shows the menu of package groups?
[03:51] <holstein> hmmm
[03:52] <holstein> not sure i follow
[03:52] <holstein> but
[03:52] <holstein> you just install ubuntu and upgrade it to studio
[03:52] <holstein> OR
[03:52] <holstein> install the ubuntustudio iso
[03:52] <holstein> and
[03:52] <holstein> IF you want a realtime kernel
[03:52] <holstein> or lowlatency kernel
[03:52] <holstein> check that link i dropped
[03:52] <Genji> ubuntustudio 10.10 iso did not install ubuntustudio-audio .. apparently it did not even ask.
[03:52] <holstein> about how to add that PPA for 11.04
[03:53] <holstein> and use it
[03:53] <holstein> Genji: OH
[03:53] <holstein> thats fine
[03:53] <holstein> just search
[03:53] <holstein> where ever you install packages
[03:53] <holstein> synaptic or ap
[03:53] <holstein> apt*
[03:53] <holstein> search for ubuntustudio
[03:53] <holstein> and you'll see the metapackages
[03:53] <holstein> and you can read about them
[03:53] <holstein> and choose what you want
[03:54] <Genji> think because the realtime package was missing from ubuntustudio 10.10 repo, it didn't install ubuntustudio-audio
[03:54] <holstein> nah
[03:54] <holstein> well, thats not the way its supposed to work
[03:54] <holstein> there is no realtime package in 10.10
[03:54] <holstein> no realtime kernel
[03:54] <holstein> there really wasnt on in 10.04
[03:55] <holstein> that kernel was just carried over from 9.10
[03:55] <Genji> but ubuntustudio-audio's dependancies include a realtime package?
[03:55] <holstein> nah
[03:55] <holstein> you dont *need* a realtime kernel
[03:55] <holstein> its suggested that you try the generic one anyways
[03:55] <holstein> its getting better at handling these tasks all the time
[03:55] <holstein> i usually suggest trying the generic one
[03:56] <holstein> then the -lowlatency one from a PPA
[03:56] <holstein> and then the -realtime one
[03:56] <holstein> IF needed
[03:56] <holstein> BUT all of the metapackages can be installed
[03:56] <holstein> and all the software can be ran on a gerneric kernel
[03:57] <Genji> hmmmm...
[03:58] <Genji> for now, ill try the cloning exercise... and think ill stick with ubuntustudio 10.04 until 10.10 comes with realtime packages included.
[03:59] <holstein> Genji: 10.10 will never
[03:59] <holstein> nor will any future releases
[04:00] <holstein> the gerneric kernel is becoming 'realtime' like
[04:00] <holstein> and we probably will soon not need it
[04:00] <Genji> but its not taking up the realtime patches, though?
[04:00] <Genji> preempt and rt..
[04:00] <holstein> preempt
[04:01] <holstein> Genji: if you get a chance
[04:01] <Genji> huh.. i have preempt installed.
[04:01] <holstein> just try it
[04:01] <holstein> it may or may not be enough for you right now
[04:01] <holstein> i have a firewire interface
[04:01] <holstein> and i find that i need a realtime kernel
[04:01] <holstein> BUT most folk with internal cards or USB seem fine
[04:02] <holstein> Genji: what kind of latency needs do you have?
[04:02] <holstein> i have several JACK profiles
[04:02] <holstein> one that runs at 1.2ms
[04:02] <holstein> for really lowlatency needs
[04:02] <holstein> ranging to a mixing setup
[04:02] <holstein> that the latency is like 60ms
[04:02] <Genji> im getting away with 42ms currently.
[04:02] <holstein> Genji: yeah
[04:02] <holstein> so at 42ms
[04:02]  * Genji indeed mixes using mixxx.
[04:03] <holstein> you can do any soft synths
[04:03] <holstein> or live signal processing
[04:03] <holstein> SO 42ms might as well be 82ms
[04:03] <holstein> BUT
[04:03] <holstein> i bet you can get close to that performance with a generic kernel
[04:03] <holstein> Genji: internal sound card?
[04:04] <Genji> yup. Soundblaster audigy 2 ZX ... requires 1024/48000/2
[04:04] <Genji> for some reason.
[04:04] <holstein> yeah
[04:04] <holstein> thats a 50+ms card anyways
[04:04] <holstein> usually
[04:04] <Genji> anything else.. and it goes wierd.
[04:05] <holstein> so, i wouldnt sweat it much
[04:05] <Genji> what about jack's realtime mode then?
[04:05] <holstein> you can leave it in realtime mode with the newer generic kernels AFAIK
[04:05] <holstein> Genji: if your asked when installing
[04:06] <holstein> you should check the box that says 'set up JACK for realtime'
[04:10] <Genji> eh.. sounds too risky. I think for now, ill stick with 10.04
[04:11] <Genji> backup my current data... put 10.04 on my usb stick... then delete my ntfs partition.. clone my current install.. then grow my clone over the space..
[04:11] <holstein> these are the kernels i use
[04:11] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[04:11] <holstein> that are in that other PPA i was mentioning
[04:11] <holstein> this PPA has only the kernels
[04:11]  * Genji nods..
[04:11] <holstein> IF you want a new-ish realtime kernel in 10.04
[04:12] <holstein> Genji: yeah, i say plan for the worst case scenario
[04:12] <holstein> back everything up
[04:12] <holstein> and try jugging the parts around
[04:13] <holstein> worst case, you gotta reinstall
[04:13] <holstein> and thats kinda fun anyways :)
[04:13]  * Genji nods.
[04:15] <Genji> and what about this new patch, sched_autogroup_ enabled?
[04:18] <holstein> im not sure
[04:18] <holstein> i dont do the kernels
[04:18] <holstein> you'd have to catch abogani
[04:18] <Genji> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1
[04:19] <holstein> OR maybe someone in #opensourcemusicians would know
[04:23] <Genji> okay.. is there a install from usb guide, for ubuntustudio somewhere?
[04:23] <holstein> Genji: yes
[04:24] <holstein> and let me suggest
[04:24] <holstein> get the normal iso
[04:24] <holstein> and convert it
[04:24] <holstein> think it over while i find the link...
[04:24] <Genji> just dd the iso to the usb stick?
[04:25] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller
[04:25] <holstein> i was told this works
[04:25] <holstein> Genji: nah
[04:25] <holstein> dd wont do it AFAIK
[04:26] <holstein> its a matter of the installer not knowing where to find the image
[04:26] <holstein> its easy to istall ubuntu
[04:26] <holstein> and search ubuntustudio
[04:26] <holstein> and install just what you need from there
[04:28] <Genji> "If you actually use the drive to install Ubuntu on a server, it may turn out that the installer puts grub on the USB disk (because it's detected as the first drive) instead of your hard drive. To fix this, reboot using the USB disk and run install-grub on the actual hard drive. You'll also need to recreate the flash drive. I experienced this on Jaunty. -- kiko"
[04:28] <Genji> eek. i could snooker my entire system if this happens.
[04:28] <holstein> not with the live installer
[04:28] <holstein> from the ubuntu iso :)
[04:29] <holstein> step 6 lets you customize
[04:29] <holstein> anyways
[04:29] <holstein> that should install to USB disk
[04:29] <holstein> grub
[04:29] <holstein> by accident
[04:29] <holstein> you can recover with a live CD
[04:29] <holstein> afterward
[04:29] <holstein> if needed
[04:29] <Genji> so... i should, as my backup installer, start with ubuntu live instead of ubuntustudio?
[04:30] <holstein> sure
[04:30] <holstein> thats the path of least resistance
[04:30] <holstein> IF you have to use a USB stick to install
[04:30] <Genji> on the offchance that ubuntustudio fails installing.
[04:30] <holstein> if you have no DVD rom or something
[04:31] <Genji> woiuld unetbootin be a better idea, to install ubuntustudio?
[04:32] <holstein> unetbootin wont do it
[04:32] <holstein> it fails in every way ive tried
[04:32] <holstein> from USB
[04:32] <holstein> the actual ubuntustudio iso
[04:32] <holstein> the installer is different
[04:33] <Genji> you've sucessfully done the UbuntuServerFlashDriveInstaller method then?
[04:33] <holstein> not me personally
[04:33] <holstein> ive suggested it here
[04:33] <holstein> and it was reported to do the trick
[04:33] <holstein> at least twice
[04:33] <holstein> BUT the iso's change a bit
[04:33] <holstein> every 6 months
[04:34] <holstein> !vanilla
[04:35] <Genji> oh.. hell.. im scheduled to dj in 6 hours.
[04:36] <Genji> ... could always try the clone method without destroying my current install.
[04:36] <holstein> that would be my suggestiong
[04:37] <Genji> how do i edit grub, to create entries for my clone?
[04:37] <holstein> depends
[04:37] <Genji> the current grub system is confusing for me. templates.. ]
[04:37] <holstein> Genji: explain to me your setup again?
[04:37] <holstein> im not clear how many drives you have?
[04:37] <holstein> 2?
[04:37] <holstein> an 80 gig and?
[04:38] <Genji> the 80 gig im just going to throw my ntfs stuff onto
[04:38] <holstein> the 80 gig is not in the computer right now?
[04:38] <holstein> where is ubuntu?
[04:38] <Genji> i have other drives i can remove while i clone and re-grub my main sata drive.
[04:39] <holstein> for example
[04:39] <Genji> ubuntu is currently in a 6 gig partition in my main sata drive.
[04:39] <holstein> IF i had a 100 gb drive
[04:39] <holstein> with a 90 GB windows install
[04:39] <Genji> a borked windows install is in a 30 gig partiton, that is before the 6 gig partition.
[04:39] <holstein> and ubuntu
[04:39] <holstein> on the rest
[04:39] <holstein> with grub booting it
[04:39] <holstein> in theory
[04:40] <holstein> i could get gparted live
[04:40] <holstein> and shrink the windows to whatever
[04:40] <Genji> so i am intending on taking the 30 gig data and putting it on my 80 gig ide.
[04:40] <holstein> say 50
[04:40] <holstein> and grow ubuntu to 50
[04:40] <holstein> then grub should work the same
[04:40] <holstein> OR
[04:40] <Genji> you can grow ubuntu, backwards?
[04:40] <holstein> i would wipe windows all together
[04:41] <holstein> grow buntu
[04:41] <holstein> and run sudo update-grub
[04:41] <holstein> and all *should* be good
[04:41] <holstein> Genji: i think you can
[04:41] <holstein> you'll have to try it
[04:41] <Genji> okay.... in other words.... 1 2 3 4 5 is windows and 6 7 8 is ubuntu.
[04:41] <holstein> i know there are ways you cant move them around
[04:42] <Genji> can i grow ubuntu to cover 1 2 3 4 5 too?
[04:42] <holstein> BUT before you just got and wipe
[04:42] <holstein> you might as well try it
[04:42] <Genji> hrm.
[04:42] <holstein> OR
[04:42] <holstein> you sould just clone buntu over onto another drive
[04:42] <holstein> and put grub somewhere esle
[04:42] <holstein> you got lots of options really
[04:43] <holstein> and youll just have to fire up gparted
[04:43] <Genji> does update-grub automatically find all bootable linuxes?
[04:43] <holstein> and see what it will let you do as far as growing
[04:43] <holstein> Genji: its suppose to
[04:43] <holstein> and usually does
[04:43] <holstein> linux and win
[04:43] <holstein> whatever it can boot
[04:44] <Genji> so.... if i clone linux from one partition to another, it will have two linuxes showing in the grup menu after update-grub is run?
[04:44] <holstein> potentially
[04:44] <holstein> should*
[04:50] <Genji> okay.. so all i need  now is a live usb of ubuntu..
[04:52] <holstein> Genji: you can make one
[04:52] <holstein> from your istall
[04:53] <holstein> you need to download the ISO though
[04:54] <holstein> sytem-administration-startup disc creator
[04:54] <holstein> i usually use unetbootin though
[04:55] <Genji> yeah.. ill do the same. less thinking required.
[11:03] <obuibo> So, I'm having what seems to be a very common issue. My wireless card isn't recognized.
[11:04] <obuibo> Can't seem to find consensus (or even more than a hint) on how this issue is solved.
[13:43] <metze> hi is there a free application which converts audio to midi?
[15:16] <holstein> hey metze
[15:16] <holstein> i usually just get the midi playing
[15:16] <holstein> in whatever i feel comfortable with
[15:16] <holstein> and use JACK to route the audio output
[15:16] <holstein> to ardour
[15:17] <holstein> BUT the guys in #opensourcemusicians had a commandline shortcut for this
[15:17] <holstein> that i totally forget ;)
[15:17] <holstein> obuibo: i would suggest
[15:17] <holstein> getting the normal ubuntu live CD
[15:18] <holstein> get that running on the box in question
[15:18] <holstein> and plug in to wired LAN
[15:18] <holstein> see if you are automatically prompted for an install of a propritary blob or whatever its called
[15:18] <holstein> obuibo: if you have already tried this
[15:19] <holstein> i would also suggest looking in a more frequented support avenue
[15:19] <holstein> since this issue is not necessarily limited to ubuntustudio
[15:19] <holstein> assuming the issue has nothing to do with how network manager is included in ubuntustudio
[15:37] <metze> holstein: I meant audio to midi not midi to audio:-)
[15:37] <holstein> hmmm
[15:37] <metze> holstein: I found waon, but it doesn't produce the result I was hoping for
[15:37] <holstein> metze: sorry, i glossed over that really quick
[15:37] <metze> no problem:-)
[15:38] <holstein> ask in #opensourcemusicians though
[15:38] <holstein> if you need :)
[15:38] <metze> thx for the pointer
[16:27] <nvsbl> so.. what kind of audio production software comes with Ubuntu studio?
[16:29] <nvsbl> speaking of audio production, has any body here had any luck running Ableton Live with wine?
[20:06] <marto> hey, having a problem with Jack. Headphone output connected to an amp and speakers (tested playing a song, it works) I'm using a midi keyboard with Jack and ZynAddSubFx, it works fine from laptop speakers but not via the headphone socket