=== ssj6akshat|sleep is now known as ssj6akshat [01:16] hi I have a quick unity question, it is of low importance, on 10.10 (the netbook one) it works great except sometimes the search is slow and sometimes it is fast, is there any way to make it index so it is always quick? [01:18] Hello folks [01:19] vbrummond, not that im aware of [01:20] spikeb: ok thanks [01:20] I've got a question, I'm planning to write an application and I'm note sure if i should place it in the messaging menu or create a seperate indicator. The programm will get Staus updates from a phone and display incomming calls, sms, missed calls but also battery info and such things. [01:21] Hendrik1, probably a seperate indicator, as it does more than messaging [01:22] Hendrik1, 11.04 will have a battery status indicator, perhaps you could split the functionality between message indicator and battery indicator? [01:22] ohh didn't know that yes that would make sense [01:23] another question is there a guide on indicators for vala? [01:26] google isn't finding anything [01:55] folks, if you didn't see it, check out http://jonobacon.blip.tv/file/4481516/ [01:56] Hendrik1, It should probably put it's data in two separate places :) We want the messaging menu to be for "human to human" communcation. But battery stuff should go in the power indicator. [01:57] Hendrik1, I believe that gpm will already show battery info for phones, though I'm not sure how to set that up. [01:57] Connect the phone via bluetooth. Voila. [01:57] (At least in my experience) [02:10] kenvandine, Your patch isn't working for me :( valac errors. [02:15] kenvandine, Hmm, seems to have been an alternatives issue -- since I had valac-0.10 installed it was choosing that to build instead of valac-0.12. [02:22] tedg, argh! [02:22] ah [02:22] tedg, i made the package depend on valac-0.12 [02:22] to prevent that [02:23] kenvandine, Yeah, that'll work in the pbuilder and clean build case, but anyone who's upgraded their machine from Maverick won't be able to build. [02:23] ? [02:23] oh, from a fresh checkout [02:24] not sure what to do about that... besides requiring valac-0.12 in configure.ac [02:24] kenvandine, Were you going to get dbus-test-runner into the archive this cycle? :) [02:24] which is probably not insane [02:24] tedg, yup! [02:24] it's on my todo list for this week [02:24] kenvandine, Well, it seems that the alternatives system should choose valac-0.12 over valac-0.10 [02:24] well, after i get python-appindicator and libindicate fixed [02:25] but it won't build on natty with valac-0.10 [02:25] regardless [02:25] for GI reasons [02:25] Heh, lovely. [02:26] so we need to say if older GI, valac-0.10 and newer GI valac-0.12 [02:26] i really want to get libindicate fixed... which needs to be built with gtk3 btw [02:27] and appindicator + dbusmenu to land [02:28] Yeah, that's one of my problems -- I need to get dbusmenu on my system so that I can get the appindicator test suite to pass so I can finish it's gdbus port :) [02:32] good times! [02:34] Uhg, and I can't get dbus-test-runner to build so that I can distcheck the indicator-application! [02:34] ugh! [02:35] what does it need? [02:35] i am pretty sure it built for me [02:36] Oh, fuck me. And it's not even a source packaging build... bother. [02:36] yup [02:36] It's not liking the versioning. [02:36] it builds here [02:36] I released 0.0.2. [02:36] Now I need to update the packaging to be source tree packaging. [02:43] Okay, dbus-test-runner has a reasonable packaging branch now. [02:43] It'd be easier to contribute to our projects if we did these things better :) [02:43] i just added autoreconf to it and built the package [02:44] dh_autoreconf is awesome... when you aren't making multiple pass builds for python modules! [02:59] kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-application/ubuntu/+merge/43038 [02:59] Now to break out the 0.2 series so that we can patch Maverick :) [03:13] :) [03:13] tedg, thx [03:28] Wow, dbusmenu generates 14 packages now. [03:28] I feel like I've achieved entropy now. === DoctorMO is now known as doctormo === smorar__ is now known as smorar_ === smorar_ is now known as smorar__ === ssj6akshat is now known as akshat|school [06:48] morning [07:00] hi [07:22] ion: moi [07:24] good morning [07:28] good morning didrocks. how are you? [07:29] kvalo: I'm good thanks! yourself? [07:30] didrocks: I'm good as well. hoping to finish that python+autotools task today. [07:42] good luck :) [07:42] didrocks: actually it hasn't been that bad [07:42] didrocks: but I don't have any python unit tests yet [07:43] well, tests should be ok :) [08:02] smspillaz: hey, hope that your driving test was well :) [08:02] smspillaz: you answered on some new bug reports, but you didn't on the one we were tracking yesterday, he answered, can you follow this please? [08:34] greetings everybody [08:39] hey MacSlow [08:39] Salut didrocks [08:46] morning guys [08:47] hey klattimer [08:48] MacSlow: do you have sometimes a blank panel at start? [08:49] (blank as empty) [08:49] and the service is indeed started [08:49] didrocks, not recently [08:49] I have to restart compiz to get it [08:49] quite in a row (yesterday evening and this morning) [08:49] the launcher is fine, it's realy just the panel [08:49] didrocks, only when I didn't start (or explicitly killed) unity-panel-service [08:50] MacSlow: yeah, it was started, I'm puzzled then :) [08:50] didrocks, hm *shrugg* [08:50] will see with neil if he has an idea, it's not in the previous release [08:50] MacSlow: and don't kill that service, it's innocent! ;) [09:46] aloha just wondering is there an issue at present with burning a unity iso https://twitter.com/#!/docum3nt/status/12439038308913152 [09:48] czajkowski: try an usb stick, it's reported at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1#Installation [09:48] czajkowski, it's oversized [09:48] hey didrocks [09:48] hey kenvandine, still up? :) [09:48] yup [09:48] :) [09:49] didrocks: thanks [09:49] kids get up in 2 hours, so i should go get a little nap [09:49] kenvandine: way past your bedtime [09:49] tell me about it! [09:57] smspillaz, gord what's the status of perf counters? [09:57] gord, I saw a perf counter merge from you, how complete is that? [09:59] lamalex, basic stuff going in to unity this week, perf is the wrong word, just a boot up speed logger really with a neat little graph - http://gordallott.com/img/unity-bootchart.svg [10:00] gord, yeah that's what we're calling perf counters for now [10:00] but, thats the wrong word! ;) [10:02] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/681871 ? [10:02] really? [10:02] Ubuntu bug 681871 in unity (Ubuntu) "Color background behind icons only for running apps" [High,Triaged] [10:04] gord, looks nice! [10:07] gord: is there an option, env variable to run it? [10:08] didrocks, right now it runs by default, it really doesn't hurt enough to not run it, doesn't generate the graph by default though just stores a log file in /tmp [10:09] njpatel, do you have an astylerc file hanging around, or do you just run astyle -mile-long-string [10:10] gord: ok :) [10:12] TheMuso, ping? [10:23] gord, is it possible to right straight C in unity? [10:23] as in, if I wanted to implement the a11y bits in pure C, shouldn't be a problem right [10:24] lamalex, if you want to that, you should be fine, just be aware we compile with g++ not gcc [10:24] I'm not sure what difference it will make but ok [10:24] Maybe I can edit CMake to build my object file with gcc? [10:25] lamalex, no need, g++ is fine apart from warning on some things you'd get away with doing in C [10:25] lamalex, the astyle snippet is in README in trunk [10:25] * njpatel ->millbank [10:25] njpatel, oh ok [10:25] thanks [10:42] anjuta's open dialog is complete shit [10:42] it pretty much always opens in the wrong path [10:45] gord, are you the only other unity hacker around right now? [10:46] lamalex, am i not good enough for ya? ;) neil is around somewhere and MacSlow should be online [10:46] gord, neil is on his way to millbank [10:46] lamalex, ah, then its me or MacSlow [10:46] gord, I just wanted to see if there was someone else I could occaisionally ping ;) [10:46] how does nux/unity handle key events? Is there a nux event class of some kind? [10:52] lamalex, i don't think there is any code in unity right now that is handling key events - i'm sure there is code in nux to give you events but shortcuts we are gonna want to get from compiz, so its still up in the air [10:52] hm [10:52] ok [10:53] a11y is very dependent on key events [10:53] so that's something we may want to figure out asap. I can hook into compiz though I suppose [10:54] yeah I guess I'll just hook into compiz [10:54] lamalex, just to make your life more complicated, for the places we will prolly get our own non compiz key events ;) compiz just does shortcuts [10:55] ha [10:55] so where do key events come from initially? [10:55] like, will compiz pass non-handled ones to us? [10:56] compiz :) yeah it will, they get fed into a WindowThread object, i think the code for event handling is in Nux/WindowThread.cpp [11:06] gord, IEvent? [11:08] lamalex, yeah [11:12] thanks [11:14] hmm should I fix nux to have an actual KeyEvent class [11:14] instead of just passing a ton of params about key events [11:24] no.. === akshat|school is now known as ssj6akshat === doctormo is now known as DoctorMO === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:32] didrocks: segfault during drivers test [12:32] didrocks: prepare to not get your flat :) [12:32] smspillaz: urg :/ [12:32] smspillaz: what happened? [12:33] they changed a regulation in the CBD area where the speed limit is now apparantly 40kmph just one week ago [12:33] (CBD == Central Buisness District) [12:33] So I assumed it was 50 since there were no visible signs [12:33] -_- [12:33] didrocks: which bug # was the one you wanted me to reply to ? [12:34] oh 686 094 [12:34] oh 686094 [12:34] oh bug 686094 [12:34] Launchpad bug 686094 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unity and Compiz do not start" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686094 [12:34] hum? and they just say "there is no sign but you should know it" [12:34] \o/ [12:34] didrocks: yeah, weird [12:34] smspillaz: hehe, ubot5 is not a wizard :) [12:35] ugh that bug is *weird* [12:37] didrocks: it would be awesome if we could create a system where we can run a script and this will compress the entire user's install into an ISO which we can launch in a VM [12:38] since some of these bugs are ... incredibly specific [12:39] smspillaz: right, but security and data property issues :) [12:41] didrocks: the script can remove all non-code bits :) [12:41] smspillaz: hum, what do you do from configuration files? :) [12:42] containing keys, password (encrypted or not…) [12:42] *shrug* just floating the idea :) [12:42] smspillaz: hehe, it's really difficult to get that, but yeah, that would help a lot devs :) [12:42] indeed [12:45] hel-lo DB-O [12:45] smspillaz: did you intentionally avoid pinging him? [12:46] hyperair: no not really :p [12:46] =p [12:46] it would have been awesome if I could ping him, but then I would lose the emphasis on the O [12:46] you could just add it at the bottom and put ^^ [12:47] ronoc: ohai [12:47] ronoc: did you want to talk about the sysbell issue ? [12:47] Meh, the Apport retracing service has yet to handle my Unity segfault report. It’s five hours or so since i posted it. [12:50] smspillaz, yup [12:50] smspillaz, is there a bug report ? [12:50] smspillaz, back in 30, grab a quick lunch [12:53] * spikeb has been previewing the new unity to his users [12:55] well, having them sit down and try it out. [12:56] ion, on what ubuntu version and architecture? [12:57] ion, bug number? [12:58] natty, x86-PAE, fglrx from x-updates. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/687229 still private pending the retracing service. [12:58] 'Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized\nResponse headers:\n---\ncontent-length: 21\ncontent-type: text/plain\ndate: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:58:02 GMT\nserver: zope.server.http (HTTP)\nstatus: 401\nvary: Accept-Encoding\nvia: 1.1 wildcard.edge.launchpad.net\nx-powered-by: Zope (www.zope.org), Python (www.python.org)\n---\nResponse body:\n---\nBug 687229 is private\n---\n (https://launchpad.net/bugs/687229)' [12:58] ion, it's next in the queue [12:59] alright [13:11] hmm it's too early for bratsche, right? [13:16] Yeah, a cello would be more appropriate. [13:16] zing [13:22] if anyone's in the office near njpatel please slap him round the back of the head, say "BOOOYA" from karl [13:23] going [13:23] * klattimer just got gtk offscreen rendering working with nux [13:24] lamalex: some deprecation warning in unity trunk today: [13:24] src/IntrospectionDBusInterface.cpp:61:1: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘gchar*’ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:37] smspillaz, i'm back, so what is the story with this bug, is the problem that bell sound is not being played or that it is being played [13:37] ronoc: it is not being played [13:38] ronoc: I think PulseAudio intercepts the X11 bell and does not play anything [13:38] smspillaz, is libcanberra being used to play it ? [13:39] ronoc: I don't know. All I know is that when we send an X11 bell there is no sound [13:39] smspillaz, can you point to the part of the code base where all this happens ? [13:40] ronoc: sure, just a sec [13:40] ta [13:40] ronoc: core/src/event.cpp:926 [13:40] ronoc: apologies, we dont actually *trigger* a system bell [13:41] we intercept them and do "compiz" events on them [13:41] ronoc: but metacity intercepts them and uses libcanberra to play a sound [13:41] smspillaz, which lp project is it ? [13:41] ronoc: before the advent of PA at least, there'd be a *beep* [13:41] ronoc: git.compiz.org/compiz/core [13:41] cool thx [13:55] smspillaz: you don't need to ask people to run the ccp plugin btw :) [13:55] smspillaz: it's a distro-patch to add it [13:56] didrocks: ah right [13:57] didrocks: hm, so I found another semi-interesting bug [13:57] didrocks: create a panel on the right hand side of the screen and maximize a window [13:57] window goes underneath the panel [14:00] * smspillaz checks the code carefully for typoes [14:08] smspillaz: yeah, there is quite some stack order issue [14:08] smspillaz, I know this is obvious but are the system sounds level turned up on your machine [14:08] start with the simple stuff [14:08] smspillaz: for instance, since 2-3 days (but with previous unity version), I have the launcher empty at startup [14:08] njpatel: btw, I think you discussed about that ^^ [14:08] but the service is running and restarting it doesn't change anything… I just need to restart compiz [14:10] didrocks: uuuuggghgh I really don't want to look at the stack order :( [14:10] you'll probably make me go insane [14:11] smspillaz: speaking of going insane, do you have a minute so that we discuss bug priority? [14:11] :) [14:13] didrocks: easy: if the bug if *f&%@ing annoying it becomes priority one :) [14:14] smspillaz: yeah, I wanted to look at those you have on your plate, maybe we can switch to mp to avoid polluting the channel :) [14:14] pm* [14:14] sure [14:26] smspillaz, DBO, can we have the default Compiz settings be so that the desktop (nautilus) and notify-osd don't slide when you change desktops? [14:27] yes [14:36] DBO, now? [14:36] DBO, How about now? [14:36] today okay? [14:36] DBO, Is it changed yet? [14:36] no [14:36] maybe [14:36] I don't update every day. [14:36] tedg, I feel the need to strangle you [14:37] thankfully I believe that is legal in texas [14:37] No, I'm white, you need a permit. [14:37] * spikeb laughs [14:38] lmfao@tedg [14:45] :\ klattimer I forgot to slap Neil. I'll get him later [14:45] never mind I managed to get a hold of him [14:51] lamalex: did you see my point about deprecation warning? [14:51] didrocks, no [14:51] 14:24:51 didrocks | lamalex: some deprecation warning in unity trunk today: [14:51] 14:24:55 didrocks | src/IntrospectionDBusInterface.cpp:61:1: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to ‘gchar*’ [14:52] yeah those [14:52] about those [14:52] * lamalex runs [14:52] haha [14:52] good day all [14:54] * didrocks purchases lamalex [14:54] uh, what? [14:54] you purchase me? [14:54] smspillaz, it looks as if there is no mention of libcanberra in the core, as far as I can tell, a bell action is initiated which is called, === smorar__ is now known as smorar_ [14:54] argh, false friend :) [14:55] * lamalex feels his autonomy diminishing [14:55] smspillaz, shouldn't it be using libcanberra to play the sound [14:55] chases rather :) === smorar_ is now known as smorar__ [14:56] ronoc: core should not use libcanberra as libcanberra is a gnome library [14:56] ronoc: rather we need to have something which listens for XkbBell and uses libcanberra to play sounds [14:56] smspillaz, sure makes sense [14:56] smspillaz, so a new plugin ? [14:56] smspillaz, would you like me to work on this ? [14:57] ronoc: well the thing was that dbarth didn't want to pull in libcanberra as a compiz dep. I can write a libcanberra plugin very easily [14:58] smspillaz, right well how would you play the sound if you didn't pull in canberra ? [14:58] smspillaz, how did it play sounds before, linking directly with alsa ? [15:00] ronoc: there used to be a system beep [15:00] ronoc: but now pulseaudio seems to intercept that [15:00] dbarth: ronoc and I think that the only wayt to get this sysbell issue worked out is to make a libcanberra compiz plugin [15:00] smspillaz, okay I get it, sorry being a bit slow, (and the system beep was triggered straight from event.cpp ?) [15:00] ronoc: no problem :) [15:00] ronoc: if we want ot write a compiz plugin there is an action I can hook into very easily [15:01] ronoc: actually, is libcanberra accessible by dbus ? [15:01] not that i know of [15:01] * ronoc checks [15:08] nope I can't see any [15:08] smspillaz, ^ [15:09] ronoc: hrm ok [15:10] smspillaz, http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/sixfold-announcement.html [15:10] ronoc: in which case we will just have to write a libcanberra plugin [15:10] smspillaz, yup [15:10] ronoc: I can write a "skeleton compiz" bit - could you just insert the libcanberra "play sound" bit where I need you to ? [15:10] smspillaz, sure [15:11] ronoc: cool, I'll write that by the end of this week then [15:11] * smspillaz is working on another FAB [15:11] smspillaz, sounds good, ping me whenever [15:16] Is it known that GNOME Do doesn't work under Unity. [15:16] * tedg makes a very sad face [15:19] njpatel, is it BaseWindow or View? [15:19] lamalex, BaseWindow is the toplevel window [15:19] jaytaoko, would know for sure [15:20] what is view? [15:20] njpatel, Panel implements nux::View [15:20] as does the launcher [15:20] lamalex: a View is the base class of a widget [15:20] I don't know what class is actually the Panel, bt Launcher.cpp takes a BaseWindow as a constructor param [15:21] lamalex: A BaseWindow is like a View that float over the main window... [15:21] jaytaoko, view is to GtkWidget as BaseWindow is to GtkWindow ? [15:21] lamalex: The Panel is a BaseWindow [15:22] lamalex: I can say yes, for the parallel between GtkWidget and View [15:22] lamalex: I am not sure about GtkWindow, but let me take a look [15:22] jaytaoko, that's ok [15:22] the important thing is that in a widget hierarchy, BaseWindow will be the top [15:23] lamalex: I would say that BaseWindow is like GtkWindow, but it remains inside the Main window... [15:23] lamalex: it is like an artificial window [15:23] what is the main window? [15:23] compiz jawn? [15:24] lamalex: the physical limit of the XWindow you create... [15:24] ah [15:24] lamalex: in Unity the Main window is the fullscreen [15:24] right [15:25] that's outside of the realm I'm working within. BaseWindow is the top for my purposes [15:25] thanks jaytaoko [15:25] My crash report still hasn’t been retraced. Oh well, i guess i’ll get some sleep for now. [15:25] lamalex: no problem... do not hesitate if you have more questions... [15:30] Even though the crash report is private, the non-retraced stack trace is public: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60306085/Stacktrace.txt [15:38] I really hate our C/C++ mixing [15:45] I was getting so far on a11y until I had to actually start talking to unity [15:45] ion, sorry, the retracers seems to be broken due to the launchpad rollout earlier today [15:49] lamalex: poke me when that CA thing for that guy is sorted and you actually merge his code pls. [15:49] jcastro, it was merged and you already put him in your post [15:49] I did, I thought you had said you backed it out? [15:49] jcastro, it got put back in [15:49] so I left the part out about it landing [15:49] you are awesome, ta. [15:50] as soon as I found that wiki page I merged it back in [15:51] didrocks, I'm sorry I did no triaging today [15:51] got called into a meeting [15:52] lamalex: no worry for today, just think to do that when you are in US time :) [15:53] :) [15:53] the morning is the hardest part [15:53] you're the man didrocks [15:53] ;) [15:55] so I have no idea how to begin doing GObject subclassing inside of C++. I guess it's the same, but jesus christ [15:55] As if GObject wasn't mystifying enough [15:55] damn, just missed ted [15:56] must have smelled my questions coming :) [15:57] lamalex: are you using gtk or gtkmm? [15:57] klattimer, neither [15:57] for gtk it should be the same as gtk C subclassing [15:58] atk [15:59] atkmm? [15:59] smspillaz, you about ? [15:59] well either way, if you're not using mm then just use turbine from gnome git to generate the boiler plate code for a gobject class [15:59] no just atk. atkmm doesn't expose the AtkUtil class [16:00] klattimer, and I can interface with C++ objects? [16:00] lamalex: I am in nux+gtk and it seems to work alright [16:00] klattimer, do you have a branch I can look at? [16:01] lamalex: lp:~karl-qdh/nux/nux.gtkentry-wrapper [16:01] beautiful [16:01] thanks klattimer [16:01] the event handlers at the top of the examples/gtk_entry_wrapper.c should help [16:01] everything seems to be tolerant to cross C/C++ communication [16:03] klattimer, do you work for canonical? [16:03] subcontracting [16:03] ah ok [16:03] what are you working on with nux/gtk bridging? [16:04] getting the IM Context to work in unity [16:04] Input Methods/Ibus [16:04] fancy [16:07] klattimer, we know how you love ibus [16:07] kenvandine: like getting an enema with hydrochloric acid [16:07] just brightens up my whole fucking day [16:07] there you go... i knew i could count on you :) [16:08] hi guys, i'm trying to build unity form source in natty...i get this error when installing compizconfig-python, http://pastebin.com/rgm4K8GK [16:11] cando: run make install with "sudo " before it [16:11] with sudo python setup.py .....etc i get this http://pastebin.com/tafixJhc [16:11] but libcompizconfig. pc it's in the path [16:12] cando: do you have libcompizconfig-dev? [16:14] klattimer, when it says Object Name in turbine, what is that used for? [16:14] it should have been prefilled with something like GtkWidget [16:14] so it *should* be the camel case of the widget name [16:15] this is only from memory I haven't used it in a while [16:15] tedg, i'll have a merge request for libindicate fixing the build issues on natty in a few [16:15] klattimer, i can't install it ...E: Unable to locate package libcompizconfig-dev [16:15] cando, search synaptic for libcompizconfig instead [16:15] klattimer, yeah it was autofilled I just don't like the object name UTIL and am wondering what it's use is [16:15] it might be strangely named [16:15] kenvandine, Sweet! [16:16] klattimer, libcompizconfig0-dev...^^ [16:17] cando: that'll be it [16:17] klattimer, it works...thanks! [16:17] np [16:18] klattimer, turbine is handy, thanks [16:21] klattimer, you're not creating new gobject types, you're just having a gtk entry member [16:22] lamalex: no, we're just trying to get the offscreening of a widget working [16:22] but that shouldn't matter [16:23] klattimer, well the parts I'm confused about are mostly syntactic [16:27] things like defining structs [16:27] but I guess I already did a lot of this stuff in my Introspection crap [16:27] * lamalex takes a deep breath and starts over [16:32] kenvandine, Sometime when you get a chance can you start looking at lp:~dbusmenu-team/dbusmenu/ubuntu/ and fix my packaging? :) [16:32] It works for me.... [16:32] tedg, did you merge in my changes? [16:33] kenvandine, I think so. [16:33]