[00:33] Riddell, ping [00:38] hi rbelem [00:39] Riddell, I'm finishing now the ksambashare property ui [00:39] Riddell, i made what you asked [00:40] Riddell, what do you think is the best way to represent the user permission? [00:40] Riddell, the permissions are [00:40] full control [00:41] read only [00:41] and deny [00:41] Riddell, i created a QTableWidget for it [00:41] three options for each user? [00:41] Riddell, yup [00:42] and it can be just one of them [00:43] why not just a QListWidget with checkable columns? [00:44] Riddell, how to represent the options? [00:44] combobox? [00:45] if it's just an on/off option you can use checkboxes in the QListWidgetItem [00:45] http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qlistwidgetitem.html has checkable items [00:50] hum... [01:38] thx Riddell :-) [03:03] wow [03:03] I am the drunk [03:03] * apachelogger blames markey [03:03] * apachelogger has problems hitting any key [03:06] apachelogger: Congratulations. [03:06] BTW, kde4libs built on armel, so I just fired off approximately a bazillion retries. [03:08] yay [03:08] * apachelogger hugs ScottK [03:27] apachelogger is drunk? [03:27] :D [03:35] * nigelb looks for the 'any' key :P [03:39] I've looked for that for years [03:39] and never found it! [03:39] haha [03:55] valorie: ping [03:57] hey DarkwingDuck [03:59] what's up? [03:59] valorie: You still up for documentation? [04:00] of course! [04:00] valorie: awesome. I have a smallish project :) [04:00] however, right now I'm hip-deep in Google Code-in and finishing the Amarok handbook [04:00] I'll look at what you have, however [04:00] ahhhh [04:00] are we participating, as a project, in GCI? [04:01] it's been AWESOME [04:01] GCI? I'm not. [04:01] so far [04:01] that's too bad [04:01] No time. [04:01] it's like instant minions [04:01] and they swarm ya, looking for tasks! [04:01] lol [04:01] oops, old dog [04:01] sec [04:07] poor old guy -- gotta put water in one end, and empty it out the other every couple of hourse [04:07] hours [04:14] so what's the smallish project? [05:36] e === mueslix is now known as muesli === vorian is now known as birthday-vorian === hrw|gone is now known as hrw [08:21] Hi! Is it possible that KDE 4.6 Beta 1 breaks ssh-add? I get "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." since I installed Beta 1 [08:31] piquadrat: if you get no answer here, you might in #kde [08:36] valorie: thanks, I'll try it there === hunger_ is now known as hunger [10:29] apachelogger: are there already packages around of the new vlc backend version? [10:30] piquadrat: yes, that is a known problem [10:30] piquadrat: type ssh-agent and the paste the output of this command in the konsole [10:30] after that ssh-add should work [10:34] Mamarok: OK, thanks for the info! [10:45] piquadrat: you are welcome, thanks go to Quintasan_ who gave me the hint :) [10:46] piquadrat: hey, a Swiss Kubuntu user, nice :) [10:48] Mamarok: hehe [10:48] http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qlistwidgetitem.html has checkable items [10:48] ? [10:51] Riddell: is there a Qt Creator 2.1 package for Maverick somewhere? [10:51] my Creator is failing to parse Calligra [10:51] (I have 2.0.1) [10:51] markey: get the one from Qt, it has an easy installer [10:52] I know, but I'd prefer a real package [10:52] markey: yes but only alongside lots of other beta software like 4.6 beta https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta [10:52] ah [10:52] Riddell: do you think 4.6 beta is stable enough for daily use? [10:52] it's my work machine [10:53] can't have it crashing all the time [10:54] works ok for me (but that's no guarantee) [10:54] well, that's good enough then [10:54] as long as the whole desktop won't crash all the time, I'm fine [10:54] Mamarok: are you running 4.6? [10:54] only a few times an hour [10:54] quite acceptable [10:54] :) [10:54] Sput: hehe. honestly? [10:54] no [10:55] phew [10:55] I honestly can't remember the last time my desktop crashed (running trunk) [10:55] konqueror sometimes crashes though [10:55] Sput: me neither, but Plasma likes to crash a lot [10:55] and then auto-restarts [10:55] haven't seen plasma crash in ages [10:55] could as well be random plasmoids of course [10:55] well, often you don't even notice it [10:55] it reloads instantly [10:55] they did that quite smartly [10:56] I don't use any non-standard plasmoids, and my plasma-desktop is rockstable [10:56] yeah, granted, it got a lot more stable [10:56] 4.4 crashed more [10:57] markey: yes [11:00] markey: plasma-desktop crashes all the time for me, I use now plasma-netbook:'( [11:01] well, I had to remove the plasma config files in ~/.kde/share/config/, else plasma was eating over 50% of cpu [11:01] ulysses: tried that? [11:01] Mamarok: not yet [11:01] so far I had that problem at every major KDE version upgrade [11:01] Mamarok: yeah [11:01] no idea what the plasma people are doing [11:02] it's very hard to handle the config foo correctly [11:02] but yeah [11:02] not nice [11:02] and I bet they don't test it as an upgrade, since they all run trunk [11:03] Riddell: any plans for putting the process-grouping thing in Natty? http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html [11:03] it works miracles here [11:03] everything got faster :) [11:04] much faster, and we use SSDs here [11:05] Mamarok: thanks, removing that directory helped [11:06] ulysses: you are welcome :) [11:07] markey: I've no idea, it's an issue for linux people [11:19] Riddell: no, actually it's exactly a distro issue [11:19] because the userspace thing is better than the kernel patch [11:21] markey: btw, there is no QtCreator 2.1, at least not officially [11:23] it's RC for now [11:36] Mamarok: good enough [11:58] ** testers needed for KDE SC 4.6 Beta 2 [12:19] * Trouble digs out his ninjas ppa login from a backup... [12:19] Trouble: you're testing maverick or natty? [12:20] Maverick [12:20] great [12:21] Right, downloading [12:22] Now installing.. [12:22] But I gotta run for a work Christmas lunch... so I'll report via the wiki when I'm back :D [12:57] Mamarok: I do not think so, feel free to harass a package ^^ [12:57] * apachelogger must have aged another 10 years last night [12:57] looking very old today [13:00] ScottK: by the way, i'm going to stop being a DCist soon [13:03] maco: Right. Once you've graduated no doubt. [13:10] * Mamarok harasses apachelogger to provide a new package [13:11] * apachelogger is upstream developer :P [13:14] apachelogger: come on, you made an amarok package as well, which is a far bigger projct [13:14] project* [13:15] and who else than you could make the best package? [13:15] not in a long time [13:15] * apachelogger only packaged one package the last month or so [13:15] ^^ [13:15] <-- terrible packager [13:16] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta [13:16] is that really correct? [13:16] synaptic does not let me add it [13:16] apachelogger: got source line for KDE 4.6 Beta repo? [13:17] wanna try it here, I need Creator 2.1 [13:17] ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta [13:17] thanks Riddell [13:23] Riddell: it still does not show me any KDE upgrades [13:24] "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta maverick main" [13:24] is that correct? [13:24] markey: just ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta [13:25] ah ok [13:25] thx again === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:25] o/ [13:26] Riddell: where did you put amarok 2.4 for maverick again? I don't see the packages in the beta ppa [13:26] mm, should be there [13:28] "[PPA kubuntu-ppa-beta] amarok_2.3.90-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_source.changes rejected" fooey [13:29] ok reuploaded [13:29] well spotted yofel [13:29] saw some people on identi.ca that were confused since they didn't find it [13:30] oh great, bug reports via identica [13:31] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [13:31] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping [13:31] hi _Groo_ [13:31] hey _Groo_ [13:32] <_Groo_> could anyone explain to me why is kde admin in kubuntu ppa updates with the 4.5.85 version? [13:32] <_Groo_> hi Riddell , yofel [13:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: did you copy there by mistake? [13:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: or is correct? [13:32] ug [13:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: lol :D i figured :D [13:33] <_Groo_> i was doing the daily updates and when it showed up, i thought, wtf... [13:34] I'll delete it [13:34] <_Groo_> Riddell: the thing is.. for those who updated it.. it wont revert, right? [13:35] no :( [13:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: will you have to bump the version something like 5:4.4.5 to force the upgrade (downgrade actually) [13:35] just upload as 4.5.85~really4.5.4 :P [13:35] <_Groo_> yofel: ahhh thats whats that about [13:35] as yofel says [13:35] <_Groo_> yofel: i always wondered ;) [13:36] <_Groo_> yofel: but we could bump the version also, right? teoretically [13:36] _Groo_: theoretically yes, but you'll have to keep that for all future versions of the package too, no fun [13:36] that would stop future upgrades [13:36] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah i know, it was just a doubt of mine, [13:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok wheres my cookie? [13:37] <_Groo_> im like 3 cookie behind already! [13:37] you'll get a credit in the announce on kubuntu.org this time I promise :) [13:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: lol, NO! i want my cookie! [13:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: send me cookies! [13:38] * _Groo_ demands cookies! [13:39] <_Groo_> the bot used to give cookies :D [13:39] * yofel sends _Groo_ his empty cookie box [13:39] <_Groo_> anyway, if i can help this weekend with beta 2 i will [13:39] the only one that has full ones is kubotu [13:39] <_Groo_> yofel: grrrr [13:39] <_Groo_> yofel: apachelogger rapped the poor bot! [13:39] _Groo_: beta 2 is done, we just need testers now [13:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: ahh i was late this time :P [13:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: damn proxy at work :P [13:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: i didnt open ninjas ppa yet, does kdebindings even compile? even without some modules? [13:40] yes yofel got kdebindings to compile [13:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: huuu really? :D its complete then? [13:41] <_Groo_> kde 4.6 i mean [13:41] <_Groo_> does the printer applet work? [13:41] we're waiting for akashay with kdetoys, but that's all [13:41] printer applet? of course it works, I coded it therefor it works! [13:41] <_Groo_> did you guys changed the deps so it tries to rip off hal and install udisk/etc? [13:42] yes [13:42] <_Groo_> Riddell: :P its not her faults, its pykde faults XD [13:42] hal is no longer a recommend [13:42] well, it won't try to remove hal by itself [13:42] <_Groo_> yofel: thats the trick, for natty is fine but for maverick if we are upgrading the system it should try to do that at least [13:43] well, I can run system-config-printer fine here in beta2 which was pyKDE iirc [13:43] <_Groo_> can hal and udisk live side by side? [13:43] sure [13:43] <_Groo_> yofel: hmm ok, im gonna upgrade in a few hours then, and tell my horror stories here [13:43] <_Groo_> should i use ninja or backports? [13:44] ninjas, beta still has 80 [13:45] <_Groo_> yofel: k, ill add it again and try an upgrade dugin lunch time, around 2 hours from now [13:45] <_Groo_> yofel: it should be quick, i have a 100MB connection here [13:45] :D [13:46] <_Groo_> i work for a cell phone company :D [13:46] <_Groo_> actually its fiber optics but my local ethernet is 10/100 so i can only go as up as ;) [13:46] * Riddell uploads 4.6 beta 2 to natty [13:46] \o/ [13:47] \o/ [13:50] if we could get someone to test it on maverick then I could copy it across [13:53] Riddell: More koffice trouble on arm: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60316062/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.koffice_1:2.2.91-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [13:54] tsk, qReal again [13:55] you'd think since there's a commercial product from KOffice on ARM they'd be more careful [13:55] will look later [13:56] Riddell: upgrade worked fine :) [13:56] very smooth [13:56] phew [13:56] that said, KDE 4.6 looks exactly like 4.5 [13:56] almost [13:56] can't see great differences [13:56] I gave MoDaX a ping on #debian-qt-kde to see if we can get some help on the symbols stuff. [13:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: im gonna test it on maverick, let me download the packages :D [13:59] <_Groo_> could you guys do a little test for me? [14:00] <_Groo_> i need someone with nvidia + chromium [14:00] <_Groo_> and kde of course [14:00] <_Groo_> its painless and real quick [14:01] _Groo_: if no one has got it by the time I get home in a few hours... [14:01] <_Groo_> preferably with 2.56 or 260 driver [14:03] <_Groo_> you just need to fire up chromium with the gpu flags active (in about:flags) and see your xorgs memory go up exponentially :P [14:03] <_Groo_> aparently kwin is messing up vdpau and gpu acceleration with chromium and/or movies [14:03] <_Groo_> messing in the sense of memory leaks [14:04] <_Groo_> but the strange thing is that it affects xorg, not kwin itself === Trouble is now known as JustinTrouble [14:04] <_Groo_> could anyone confirm this? [14:08] <_Groo_> is fancytasks and quickacess updated for 4.6? [14:08] <_Groo_> are* [14:08] <_Groo_> i use both and aptitude wants to remove them [14:09] _Groo_: they probably need a rebuild [14:10] <_Groo_> k, im gonna take notes of whats is getting ripped, can i rebuild them and add them to the ppa later? [14:10] _Groo_: I think smooth-tasks needs a rebuild too, it crashes 4.6 beta1 [14:11] <_Groo_> ulysses: dont use that one [14:11] _Groo_: sure [14:11] _Groo_: are you testing maverick? [14:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: yep, my main machine [14:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: if it breaks and i cant work, ill personally blame you :D [14:13] _Groo_: I've already installed on Maverick and it's working gooooood :) [14:14] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: i know ;) i like to joke around :D [14:14] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: do you have nvidia? [14:14] Unfortunately I do :-/ [14:14] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: prop driver? [14:15] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: 256/260? [14:15] Yeaha! [14:15] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: do you have chromium? [14:17] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: open chromium, about:flags, enable gpu acceleration (2 options), before that, open yakuake and top, and see how much memory xorg is using [14:17] _Groo_: I don't have Chronium. I have an nVidia Quadro FX 570 [14:17] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: hmmm it happens with vdpau too, but it yakes longer :P [14:17] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: with chromium its instant [14:17] Riddell: Is there a reason you updated meta-kde in Natty to 4.5.85, but kde4libs isn't uploaded (this will now break any further armel retries on kde sc modules) [14:17] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: nvm then :) [14:17] _Groo_: I have massive graphical slow down after a days usage, but haven't a chance to look in to it yet [14:18] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: its xorg.. theres a memory leak with kwin + nvidia + gpu.. it doesnt show up with compiz, or it not that aparent [14:18] _Groo_: If I reset the PixmapCache is makes it better temporarily [14:18] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: he starts eating memory like theres no tomorrow [14:19] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: how do i do that? [14:19] <_Groo_> to test here [14:19] _Groo_: Run "nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=0 && nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=1" from the command line [14:19] <_Groo_> huuu nice, let me see [14:19] Good luck :D [14:20] <_Groo_> it appears to make it a little better... im gonna bug the nvidia guys [14:20] <_Groo_> brb [14:20] <_Groo_> but its definitely something between kwin + nvidia [14:32] ScottK: the whole of 4.5.85 is being uploaded, just limited by my bandwidth [14:33] Ah. OK. [14:33] Riddell: As soon as kde4libs hits we ought to have it rescored on armel so we minimize the breakage there. [14:35] Riddell: did aakshay show up yet? ... he caught me at college and asked everything about pbuilders for 3 hours :P [14:38] _Groo_: Agreed! [14:38] droidslayer: no [14:38] Blimey, didn't realise it was actually 4.6 beta 2 release day today! === droidslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ [14:39] That came around quick :) === shadeslayer_ is now known as Guest18929 === Guest18929 is now known as droidslayer [14:55] JustinTrouble: so maverick 4.6 beta 2 from ninjas working for you? [14:56] Aye Riddell, it is thank you [14:56] Been using it solidly for the last hour [14:57] great, thanks [14:57] _Groo_: did you test maverick? [14:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: updating [14:57] ooh http://dot.kde.org/2010/12/08/canonical-donates-server-kde [14:58] <_Groo_> Riddell: should be over in 45 min [15:00] Riddell: for an @kde.org mail addy one files a ticket with the sysadmins? [15:33] <_Groo_> ok this one is new :D [15:33] <_Groo_> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 19523 9762 [15:33] <_Groo_> errors are bizarre now! in apt! [15:34] Riddell: I like how you sound surprised by dot articles you write yourself :) [15:35] <_Groo_> my notebook is a i7 with 4 cores (8 virtual) 1TB 2 hds, im better then that server XD [15:36] <_Groo_> AH! [15:37] meh, you've got better hardware than me :/ [15:45] agateau: lol [15:46] hm [15:46] imagine a workstation of _Groo_'s [15:46] that might easily have more useless resources than mine ^^ [15:55] KCrash: Application 'kwin' crashing... [15:55] fancy [15:57] How rare [16:02] aha [16:02] wow [16:02] python eats my phone [16:02] hooray [16:02] this is awesome [16:03] Riddell: It's starting to look to me like your kde4libs upload didn't make it ... [16:16] Exit message has been set to: "PVRShell: Unable to initialise EGL [16:16] ". [16:16] PVRShell: EGL Error (EGL_BAD_DISPLAY) [16:16] argh!!!!!!!! [16:16] nice, k3b segfaults on natty [16:17] * yofel loves that drkonqi now scrolls to the relevant thread when retracing :D [16:36] Ah. There it is. [16:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its not a workstation is a kick ass notebook :D with a nvidia g230m with 1GB dedicated ram also :D [16:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and a 17'' lcd display [16:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the little beast is BIG [16:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: actually LED display not lcd [16:45] oh dear [16:46] * apachelogger triggered a nerdgasm [16:46] meh [16:46] . [16:47] mine is a 600mhz cortex A8 [16:47] with pvr sgx [16:47] 256mb ram [16:47] yofel: amd64? [16:47] 3.5 inch display [16:48] Riddell: yes [16:48] yofel: mm, it does seem to on amd64, havn't looked into why [16:49] tried to rebuild against 4.5.85, didn't help, installing hal doesn't either [16:49] it might trigger a crash in the new solid stuff [16:49] it does indeed seem so from the trace, sec [16:50] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541056/ [16:51] Solid::Block::device (this=0x0) at ../../../solid/solid/block.cpp:52 [16:51] yes, something bad in the new solid [16:51] yofel: do report that upstream on solid [16:52] seems fixed upstream [16:52] yofel: why do you think that? [16:52] kde bug 249371 [16:52] KDE bug 249371 in general "K3b crashed when trying to open from kmenu/application launcher menu" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=249371 [16:53] _Groo_: did you get maverick tested? [16:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: updating as we speak [16:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: the only problem so far was with my own hupnp, so its updating cleanly [17:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: still upgrading the system... huuugge [17:02] * yofel had >400 updates with natty, not only KDE though === hrw is now known as hrw|gone [17:14] ScottK: when do we get a n900 compatible kernel? [17:15] Not sure. [17:16] Just got the base omap3 kernel in. [17:16] I see [17:16] * apachelogger tries to hook dkms up with the meego kernel [17:17] I am this close to getting opengles going!!! [17:17] only a stupid segfault (supposedly because of kernel module stuff) is standing in my way [17:23] /var/lib/dkms/powervr-omap3/3.01.00.07/build/services4/3rdparty/bufferclass_ti/bc_cat.c:491: error: implicit declaration of function 'omap_rev_lt_3_0' [17:23] meh [17:29] hmm, no Groo [17:30] worrying [17:52] Riddell: did you upload kdeadmin 4.5.4 again? [17:53] yofel: not yet [17:53] if you are able to do it please do [17:53] needs 4.5.85really4.5.4-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 version number. lovely [17:53] then I'll do it, the package is still in the pool [17:57] geh, I'll have to rename the orig.tar too -.- [18:00] done [18:38] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1204696 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) Add some new functions: recommendsList(), suggestsList(), enhancesList() and enhancedByList() to return QStringLists of the names of packages that have various relational statuses with the Package [18:54] http://i.imgur.com/0pW6K.png [18:55] MSC can't install addons yet, but it can display them now [18:58] cool ^^ [18:58] like [19:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, it worked [19:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: but i had to remove hal, it was breaking powerdevil... also powerdevil doesnt control my brightenss anymroe :( do i need to install anytjing else, besides upower and udisks? [19:01] brightness is broken here too [19:01] and hal BROKE powerdevil o.O? [19:03] More like lack of it. [19:03] Please file bugs with upstream. [19:04] <_Groo_> yofel: not broken, powerdevil would show two bateries, and some weird behaviour, hal was fighting upower [19:05] _Groo_: Did you remove hal then? [19:05] <_Groo_> ScottK: yep [19:05] <_Groo_> which removed some qt libs [19:06] It did? [19:06] Which? [19:06] <_Groo_> and kde-standard [19:06] <_Groo_> ScottK: let me check [19:06] kde-standard is a Debianism, so I'm not suprised. [19:08] <_Groo_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/541106 [19:09] <_Groo_> also, fancytasks is completely broken in kde 4.6, needs to be sent bug upstream to the author... after recompiled it doesnt work anymore, all broken === PascalFR is now known as NemoFR [19:10] <_Groo_> i also disabled filewatch, it will kill my I/O everytime i log, i know its a known "feature" but until some kernel based inotify system that works is developer, filewatch isnt going to be enabld === NemoFR is now known as PascalFR [19:11] _Groo_: kde-standard is the only thing there that depends on hal, so I think there's no hal related suprises there. [19:12] _Groo_: Sounds like mabye we ought to disable filewatch by default. [19:12] <_Groo_> ScottK: so i can reinstall the qt stuff and leave kde-standard alone? [19:12] Yes. [19:12] It shouldn't pull hal back in. [19:12] <_Groo_> ScottK: i agree, filewatch works but its a resource hog [19:14] <_Groo_> ScottK: hal is still downloaded with the above list, the qt ones call hal allright [19:14] Weird. [19:14] <_Groo_> ScottK: try this: apt-fast install libqtcontacts1 libqtlocation1 libqtmessaging1 libqtmultimediakit1 libqtopiamail1 libqtpublishsubscribe1 libqtsensors1 libqtserviceframework1 libqtsysteminfo1 libqtversit1 qtmobility-dev servicefw [19:14] <_Groo_> it will call hal [19:16] _Groo_: libqtserviceframework1 on Maverick. [19:16] <_Groo_> ScottK: no i need it for anything? [19:16] Right. [19:16] There in natty too. [19:17] <_Groo_> ScottK: even without framework it still calls hal :P [19:17] qtmobility-dev depends on libqtserviceframework1 [19:17] <_Groo_> ScottK: ah ok [19:18] There's nothing on that list that's needed for a standard Kubuntu install [19:18] Riddell: We ought to see if we can arrange for libqtserviceframework1 not to depend on hal. [19:18] <_Groo_> ScottK: and the others need, and so on and so on, they are all interdependent [19:18] Right. [19:19] <_Groo_> besides that it works fairly well [19:30] <_Groo_> quick acess is broken too :P [19:33] JontheEchidna: ^^^ [19:33] Does it just need a rebuild? [19:33] worksforme (tm) [19:34] _Groo_: For quickaccess, we need a little more definition on 'broken'. [19:49] <_Groo_> ScottK: it compiles, you can add it to the panel but when you click on it it doesnt show the contents of the folder [20:01] <_Groo_> guys im getting a lot of this: kde(21546)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Trying to remove an entry which is already invalid. This cache is likely corrupt. [20:01] <_Groo_> lots of it.. where can i remove the cache to be rebuild? [20:08] <_Groo_> anyone? [20:09] IIRC the icon cache was in /var/tmp, let me try first, I'm getting those too [20:12] <_Groo_> yofel: k [20:16] seems they're gone after purging kdecache [20:18] <_Groo_> is kmail working in 4.6 maverick? [20:18] Time to install beta 2 on my laptop [20:19] <_Groo_> it said it migrated my account (although i found it to be very fast, maybe he didnt?), but it doesnt show up, no trayicon, no nothing, but the process is up [20:31] <_Groo_> yofel: found it? [20:32] _Groo_: I just purged /var/tmp/kdecache-yofel and let the cache be regenerated on login [20:32] seems like the messages are gone [20:32] <_Groo_> yofel: it worked? [20:32] <_Groo_> yofel: k, do you use kmail? [20:32] no thunderbird [20:33] <_Groo_> yofel: ah [20:33] <_Groo_> anyone using kmail and kde 4.6 beta 2? [20:35] kmail 4.5.85 seems to work here in natty, just looks bad as ever with my colorscheme [20:41] er, how do I quit kmail without killing it? The icon is gone.. [20:42] * yofel shoots it [20:45] <_Groo_> yofel: here he doesnt show up, but im behind a proxy, maybe with akonadi he now waits for pop acess and sits there.. silly kmail.. gonna retest at home [20:46] hm, I'm using IMAP and it works [20:50] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah just checked,m he uses akonadi_pop3 now.. aparently if you are behind a proxy he stays in a "stupid" state and never shows kmail, gonna retest at home [20:50] <_Groo_> seeya guys later [20:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: upgrade went fine [20:50] cu [20:56] hey [20:56] did anyone see problems with depmod in latest kernel update? [20:58] if you mean 37-8 that works fine here [21:00] natty? [21:01] i'm on maverick, 25-24 [21:01] * trying to install 25-24 [21:03] hm, let me wake up my maverick machine [21:08] I just upgraded using the kubuntu updates ppa and it said packages like kdebase-workspace, kubuntu-desktop, plasma-desktop were removed. After a reboot a I get a blank screen after logoff. Is this a packaging bug or a problem in my setup? [21:08] s/logoff/logon/ [21:10] if plasma-desktop was removed you're bound to get a blank screen, that's not supposed to be removed, can you pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log ? [21:10] amichair: can you try to install kubuntu-desktop again, that should install everything again [21:12] amichair: also, you upgraded from where to where, or did you just install updates? which release? [21:13] yofel: it's actually a fresh install of maverick from this afternoon, without anything out of the ordinary I can think of. I just added the ppa now, and apt-get updated&upgraded. [21:13] (on a netboook) [21:15] yofel: got this while trying to manually configure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541155 [21:16] I'll try, seems like /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common errors [21:16] amichair: odd, can you get me your history? [21:16] yofel: installing kubuntu-desktop indeed fixed it. [21:16] what do u mean by history? [21:16] /var/log/apt/history.log [21:17] yofel: where should I send to? [21:17] pastebin it [21:18] yofel: i just removed nvidia-common (actually i don't even need it) and the upgrade ran smoothly. [21:18] yofel: btw I also have unsupported updates checked in software-properties-kde [21:18] maybe this should be reported somewhere else... [21:19] amichair: you mean maverick-backports? [21:19] yofel: if that's what the checkbox for 'Unsupported Updates' means :-) [21:20] not sure myself, let me check [21:21] yep, should be backports, but I just did an i386 update test and got the same: [21:21] The following packages will be REMOVED: [21:21] kdebase-workspace-bin kubuntu-desktop plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace [21:21] NOT good [21:22] aptitude does it right though o.O [21:23] I guess if u can recreate it it's a good thing... sorta ;-) [21:26] yofel: I guess you'll be able to take it from here - thanks! [21:26] works fine on amd64 which is probably why it didn't show in MY update tests [21:26] yofel: let me know if there's anything else that might be helpful [21:27] hmmm yep this happened on a netbook (i386), the desktop amd64 (with an long upgrade path history) didn't get the bug [21:37] don't have time to look at this more right now, filed it as bug 687551 [21:37] Launchpad bug 687551 in Kubuntu PPA "installing updates on i386 maverick wants to remove plasma-desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/687551 [21:42] ugh, internet outages stink [22:25] Riddell: ping [22:26] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1204742 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Do not put virtual packages in to the recommends/suggest/enhances lists, otherwise we get the weird "pipenightdreams" package that Muon somehow identifies as being the ATI binary video driver. :s [22:26] By Stallman's beard the APT API is bad [22:26] and alien is the crap [22:26] * apachelogger doesnt get it to spit out files [22:27] it took me 20 minutes to find out how to figure out if a package was virtual or not [22:27] oh dear [22:27] because there is a different way with each of the 3 or 4 iterators [22:27] that is pretty bad alright [22:27] binary package cache -> mmap. So far so good [22:28] -> add 3 or 4 iterators across the mmap to gain all knowledge about packages. FAIL [22:29] well at least pipenightdreams is no longer polluting the recommends list of every package with a virtual recommend [22:31] I'd use an APT2 that had something like the QApt API (cstring based for toolkit neutrality) [22:31] of course I'd immediately write a thin Qt wrapper to get a QString API, but... ;-) [22:32] ^^ [22:32] oh lawd, somebody stop me before I continue having delusions of rewriting APT [22:32] * apachelogger holds back on the stopping and supports the delusionism ^^ [22:33] oh, and on the topic of c-strings [22:33] * apachelogger grows ever so grumpy with alien and wants to sue somebody [22:33] I really, really hate libraries that return null cstring pointers [22:33] JontheEchidna: does that not make all sorts of sense? [22:34] is there any way to do empty cstrings? [22:35] no [22:35] meh [22:35] empty string == '\0' [22:35] then yeah, I guess it makes sense [22:35] which still needs memory allocated [22:35] well, I'm not even concerned about the memory consumption [22:35] just return it \0 [22:36] you need to malloc it [22:36] otherwise you get a dangling pointer outside [22:36] so it is not really about the consumption but about the time it requires to get the heap memory [22:37] JontheEchidna: But you knew you were making qapt to wrap the suckage and hide it away. Just embrace the suck. [22:37] that's true [22:37] I just like to complain I guess :P [22:38] Lingering teenage tendencies. [22:38] * apachelogger needs to consult with the elders of kubuntu [22:39] ScottK: what does one do when alien does not spit out debs? :P [22:39]