[00:33] <rbelem> Riddell, ping
[00:38] <Riddell> hi rbelem 
[00:39] <rbelem> Riddell, I'm finishing now the ksambashare property ui
[00:39] <rbelem> Riddell, i made what you asked
[00:40] <rbelem> Riddell, what do you think is the best way to represent the user permission?
[00:40] <rbelem> Riddell, the permissions are 
[00:40] <rbelem> full control
[00:41] <rbelem> read only
[00:41] <rbelem> and deny
[00:41] <rbelem> Riddell, i created a QTableWidget for it
[00:41] <Riddell> three options for each user?
[00:41] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[00:42] <rbelem> and it can be just one of them
[00:43] <Riddell> why not just a QListWidget with checkable columns?
[00:44] <rbelem> Riddell, how to represent the options?
[00:44] <rbelem> combobox?
[00:45] <Riddell> if it's just an on/off option you can use checkboxes in the QListWidgetItem
[00:45] <Riddell> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qlistwidgetitem.html has checkable items
[00:50] <rbelem> hum...
[01:38] <rbelem> thx Riddell :-)
[03:03] <apachelogger> wow
[03:03] <apachelogger> I am the drunk
[03:03]  * apachelogger blames markey
[03:03]  * apachelogger has problems hitting any key
[03:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: Congratulations.
[03:06] <ScottK> BTW, kde4libs built on armel, so I just fired off approximately a bazillion retries.
[03:08] <apachelogger> yay
[03:08]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger is drunk?
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:35]  * nigelb looks for the 'any' key :P
[03:39] <valorie> I've looked for that for years
[03:39] <valorie> and never found it!
[03:39] <nigelb> haha
[03:55] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ping
[03:57] <valorie> hey DarkwingDuck
[03:59] <valorie> what's up?
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: You still up for documentation?
[04:00] <valorie> of course!
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: awesome. I have a smallish project :)
[04:00] <valorie> however, right now I'm hip-deep in Google Code-in and finishing the Amarok handbook
[04:00] <valorie> I'll look at what you have, however
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh
[04:00] <valorie> are we participating, as a project, in GCI?
[04:01] <valorie> it's been AWESOME
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> GCI? I'm not.
[04:01] <valorie> so far
[04:01] <valorie> that's too bad
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> No time.
[04:01] <valorie> it's like instant minions
[04:01] <valorie> and they swarm ya, looking for tasks!
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[04:01] <valorie> oops, old dog
[04:01] <valorie> sec
[04:07] <valorie> poor old guy -- gotta put water in one end, and empty it out the other every couple of hourse
[04:07] <valorie> hours
[04:14] <valorie> so what's the smallish project?
[05:36] <ulysses> e
[08:21] <piquadrat> Hi! Is it possible that KDE 4.6 Beta 1 breaks ssh-add? I get "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent." since I installed Beta 1
[08:31] <valorie> piquadrat: if you get no answer here, you might in #kde
[08:36] <piquadrat> valorie: thanks, I'll try it there
[10:29] <Mamarok> apachelogger: are there already packages around of the new vlc backend version?
[10:30] <Mamarok> piquadrat: yes, that is a known problem
[10:30] <Mamarok> piquadrat: type ssh-agent and the paste the output of this command in the konsole
[10:30] <Mamarok> after that ssh-add should work
[10:34] <piquadrat> Mamarok: OK, thanks for the info!
[10:45] <Mamarok> piquadrat: you are welcome, thanks go to Quintasan_ who gave me the hint :)
[10:46] <Mamarok> piquadrat: hey, a Swiss Kubuntu user, nice :)
[10:48] <piquadrat> Mamarok: hehe
[10:48] <Riddell> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qlistwidgetitem.html has checkable items
[10:48] <Riddell> ?
[10:51] <markey> Riddell: is there a Qt Creator 2.1 package for Maverick somewhere?
[10:51] <markey> my Creator is failing to parse Calligra
[10:51] <markey> (I have 2.0.1)
[10:51] <Mamarok> markey: get the one from Qt, it has an easy installer
[10:52] <markey> I know, but I'd prefer a real package
[10:52] <Riddell> markey: yes but only alongside lots of other beta software like 4.6 beta https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[10:52] <markey> ah
[10:52] <markey> Riddell: do you think 4.6 beta is stable enough for daily use?
[10:52] <markey> it's my work machine
[10:53] <markey> can't have it crashing all the time
[10:54] <Riddell> works ok for me (but that's no guarantee)
[10:54] <markey> well, that's good enough then
[10:54] <markey> as long as the whole desktop won't crash all the time, I'm fine
[10:54] <markey> Mamarok: are you running 4.6?
[10:54] <Sput> only a few times an hour
[10:54] <Sput> quite acceptable
[10:54] <Sput> :)
[10:54] <markey> Sput: hehe. honestly?
[10:54] <Sput> no
[10:55] <markey> phew
[10:55] <Sput> I honestly can't remember the last time my desktop crashed (running trunk)
[10:55] <Sput> konqueror sometimes crashes though
[10:55] <markey> Sput: me neither, but Plasma likes to crash a lot
[10:55] <markey> and then auto-restarts
[10:55] <Sput> haven't seen plasma crash in ages
[10:55] <Sput> could as well be random plasmoids of course
[10:55] <markey> well, often you don't even notice it
[10:55] <markey> it reloads instantly
[10:55] <markey> they did that quite smartly
[10:56] <Sput> I don't use any non-standard plasmoids, and my plasma-desktop is rockstable
[10:56] <markey> yeah, granted, it got a lot more stable
[10:56] <markey> 4.4 crashed more
[10:57] <Mamarok> markey: yes
[11:00] <ulysses> markey: plasma-desktop crashes all the time for me, I use now plasma-netbook:'(
[11:01] <Mamarok> well, I had to remove the plasma config files in ~/.kde/share/config/, else plasma was eating over 50% of cpu
[11:01] <Mamarok> ulysses: tried that?
[11:01] <ulysses> Mamarok: not yet
[11:01] <Mamarok> so far I had that problem at every major KDE version upgrade
[11:01] <markey> Mamarok: yeah
[11:01] <Mamarok> no idea what the plasma people are doing
[11:02] <markey> it's very hard to handle the config foo correctly
[11:02] <markey> but yeah
[11:02] <markey> not nice
[11:02] <Mamarok> and I bet they don't test it as an upgrade, since they all run trunk
[11:03] <markey> Riddell: any plans for putting the process-grouping thing in Natty? http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html
[11:03] <markey> it works miracles here
[11:03] <markey> everything got faster :)
[11:04] <Mamarok> much faster, and we use SSDs here
[11:05] <ulysses> Mamarok: thanks, removing that directory helped
[11:06] <Mamarok> ulysses: you are welcome :)
[11:07] <Riddell> markey: I've no idea, it's an issue for linux people
[11:19] <markey> Riddell: no, actually it's exactly a distro issue
[11:19] <markey> because the userspace thing is better than the kernel patch
[11:21] <Mamarok> markey: btw, there is no QtCreator 2.1, at least not officially
[11:23] <Mamarok> it's RC for now
[11:36] <markey> Mamarok: good enough
[11:58] <Riddell> ** testers needed for KDE SC 4.6 Beta 2
[12:19]  * Trouble digs out his ninjas ppa login from a backup...
[12:19] <Riddell> Trouble: you're testing maverick or natty?
[12:20] <Trouble> Maverick
[12:20] <Riddell> great
[12:21] <Trouble> Right, downloading
[12:22] <Trouble> Now installing..
[12:22] <Trouble> But I gotta run for a work Christmas lunch... so I'll report via the wiki when I'm back :D
[12:57] <apachelogger> Mamarok: I do not think so, feel free to harass a package ^^
[12:57]  * apachelogger must have aged another 10 years last night
[12:57] <apachelogger> looking very old today
[13:00] <maco> ScottK: by the way, i'm going to stop being a DCist soon
[13:03] <ScottK> maco: Right.  Once you've graduated no doubt.
[13:10]  * Mamarok harasses apachelogger to provide a new package
[13:11]  * apachelogger is upstream developer :P
[13:14] <Mamarok> apachelogger: come on, you made an amarok package as well, which is a far bigger projct
[13:14] <Mamarok> project*
[13:15] <Mamarok> and who else than you could make the best package?
[13:15] <apachelogger> not in a long time
[13:15]  * apachelogger only packaged one package the last month or so
[13:15] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:15] <apachelogger> <-- terrible packager
[13:16] <markey> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[13:16] <markey> is that really correct?
[13:16] <markey> synaptic does not let me add it
[13:16] <markey> apachelogger: got source line for KDE 4.6 Beta repo?
[13:17] <markey> wanna try it here, I need Creator 2.1
[13:17] <Riddell> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[13:17] <markey> thanks Riddell
[13:23] <markey> Riddell: it still does not show me any KDE upgrades
[13:24] <markey> "ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta maverick main"
[13:24] <markey> is that correct?
[13:24] <Riddell> markey: just ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[13:25] <markey> ah ok
[13:25] <markey> thx again
[13:25] <yofel> o/
[13:26] <yofel> Riddell: where did you put amarok 2.4 for maverick again? I don't see the packages in the beta ppa
[13:26] <Riddell> mm, should be there
[13:28] <Riddell> "[PPA kubuntu-ppa-beta] amarok_2.3.90-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_source.changes rejected" fooey
[13:29] <Riddell> ok reuploaded
[13:29] <Riddell> well spotted yofel 
[13:29] <yofel> saw some people on identi.ca that were confused since they didn't find it
[13:30] <Riddell> oh great, bug reports via identica
[13:31] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[13:31] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping
[13:31] <Riddell> hi _Groo_ 
[13:31] <yofel> hey _Groo_
[13:32] <_Groo_> could anyone explain to me why is kde admin in kubuntu ppa updates with the 4.5.85 version?
[13:32] <_Groo_> hi Riddell , yofel
[13:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: did you copy there by mistake?
[13:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: or is correct?
[13:32] <Riddell> ug
[13:32] <_Groo_> Riddell: lol :D i figured :D
[13:33] <_Groo_> i was doing the daily updates and when it showed up, i thought, wtf...
[13:34] <Riddell> I'll delete it
[13:34] <_Groo_> Riddell: the thing is.. for those who updated it.. it wont revert, right?
[13:35] <Riddell> no :(
[13:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: will you have to bump the version something like 5:4.4.5 to force the upgrade (downgrade actually)
[13:35] <yofel> just upload as 4.5.85~really4.5.4 :P
[13:35] <_Groo_> yofel: ahhh thats whats that about
[13:35] <Riddell> as yofel says
[13:35] <_Groo_> yofel: i always wondered ;)
[13:36] <_Groo_> yofel: but we could bump the version also, right? teoretically
[13:36] <yofel> _Groo_: theoretically yes, but you'll have to keep that for all future versions of the package too, no fun
[13:36] <Riddell> that would stop future upgrades
[13:36] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah i know, it was just a doubt of mine, 
[13:36] <_Groo_> Riddell: ok wheres my cookie?
[13:37] <_Groo_> im like 3 cookie behind already!
[13:37] <Riddell> you'll get a credit in the announce on kubuntu.org this time I promise :)
[13:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: lol, NO! i want my cookie!
[13:38] <_Groo_> Riddell: send me cookies!
[13:38]  * _Groo_ demands cookies!
[13:39] <_Groo_> the bot used to give cookies :D
[13:39]  * yofel sends _Groo_ his empty cookie box
[13:39] <_Groo_> anyway, if i can help this weekend with beta 2 i will
[13:39] <yofel> the only one that has full ones is kubotu
[13:39] <_Groo_> yofel: grrrr
[13:39] <_Groo_> yofel: apachelogger rapped the poor bot!
[13:39] <Riddell> _Groo_: beta 2 is done, we just need testers now
[13:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: ahh i was late this time :P 
[13:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: damn proxy at work :P
[13:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: i didnt open ninjas ppa yet, does kdebindings even compile? even without some modules?
[13:40] <Riddell> yes yofel got kdebindings to compile
[13:40] <_Groo_> Riddell: huuu really? :D its complete then?
[13:41] <_Groo_> kde 4.6 i mean
[13:41] <_Groo_> does the printer applet work?
[13:41] <yofel> we're waiting for akashay with kdetoys, but that's all
[13:41] <Riddell> printer applet?  of course it works, I coded it therefor it works!
[13:41] <_Groo_> did you guys changed the deps so it tries to rip off hal and install udisk/etc?
[13:42] <yofel> yes
[13:42] <_Groo_> Riddell: :P its not her faults, its pykde faults XD
[13:42] <Riddell> hal is no longer a recommend
[13:42] <yofel> well, it won't try to remove hal by itself
[13:42] <_Groo_> yofel: thats the trick, for natty is fine but for maverick if we are upgrading the system it should try to do that at least
[13:43] <yofel> well, I can run system-config-printer fine here in beta2 which was pyKDE iirc
[13:43] <_Groo_> can hal and udisk live side by side?
[13:43] <yofel> sure
[13:43] <_Groo_> yofel: hmm ok, im gonna upgrade in a few hours then, and tell my horror stories here
[13:43] <_Groo_> should i use ninja or backports?
[13:44] <yofel> ninjas, beta still has 80
[13:45] <_Groo_> yofel: k, ill add it again and try an upgrade dugin lunch time, around 2 hours from now
[13:45] <_Groo_> yofel: it should be quick, i have a 100MB connection here
[13:45] <yofel> :D
[13:46] <_Groo_> i work for a cell phone company :D
[13:46] <_Groo_> actually its fiber optics but my local ethernet is 10/100 so i can only go as up as ;)
[13:46]  * Riddell uploads 4.6 beta 2 to natty
[13:46] <yofel> \o/
[13:47] <ulysses> \o/
[13:50] <Riddell> if we could get someone to test it on maverick then I could copy it across
[13:53] <ScottK> Riddell: More koffice trouble on arm: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60316062/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.koffice_1:2.2.91-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[13:54] <Riddell> tsk, qReal again
[13:55] <Riddell> you'd think since there's a commercial product from KOffice on ARM they'd be more careful
[13:55] <Riddell> will look later
[13:56] <markey> Riddell: upgrade worked fine :)
[13:56] <markey> very smooth
[13:56] <Riddell> phew
[13:56] <markey> that said, KDE 4.6 looks exactly like 4.5
[13:56] <markey> almost
[13:56] <markey> can't see great differences
[13:56] <ScottK> I gave MoDaX a ping on #debian-qt-kde to see if we can get some help on the symbols stuff.
[13:59] <_Groo_> Riddell: im gonna test it on maverick, let me download the packages :D
[13:59] <_Groo_> could you guys do a little test for me?
[14:00] <_Groo_> i need someone with nvidia + chromium
[14:00] <_Groo_> and kde of course
[14:00] <_Groo_> its painless and real quick
[14:01] <jussi> _Groo_: if no one has got it by the time I get home in a few hours...
[14:01] <_Groo_> preferably with 2.56 or 260 driver
[14:03] <_Groo_> you just need to fire up chromium with the gpu  flags active (in about:flags) and see your xorgs memory go up exponentially :P
[14:03] <_Groo_> aparently kwin is messing up vdpau and gpu acceleration with chromium and/or movies
[14:03] <_Groo_> messing in the sense of memory leaks
[14:04] <_Groo_> but the strange thing is that it affects xorg, not kwin itself
[14:04] <_Groo_> could anyone confirm this?
[14:08] <_Groo_> is fancytasks and quickacess updated for 4.6?
[14:08] <_Groo_> are*
[14:08] <_Groo_> i use both and aptitude wants to remove them
[14:09] <Riddell> _Groo_: they probably need a rebuild
[14:10] <_Groo_> k, im gonna take notes of whats is getting ripped, can i rebuild them and add them to the ppa later?
[14:10] <ulysses> _Groo_: I think smooth-tasks needs a rebuild too, it crashes 4.6 beta1
[14:11] <_Groo_> ulysses: dont use that one
[14:11] <Riddell> _Groo_: sure
[14:11] <Riddell> _Groo_: are you testing maverick?
[14:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: yep, my main machine
[14:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: if it breaks and i cant work, ill personally blame you :D
[14:13] <JustinTrouble> _Groo_: I've already installed on Maverick and it's working gooooood :)
[14:14] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: i know ;) i like to joke around :D
[14:14] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: do you have nvidia?
[14:14] <JustinTrouble> Unfortunately I do :-/
[14:14] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: prop driver?
[14:15] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: 256/260?
[14:15] <JustinTrouble> Yeaha!
[14:15] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: do you have chromium?
[14:17] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: open chromium, about:flags, enable gpu acceleration (2 options), before that, open yakuake and top, and see how much memory xorg is using
[14:17] <JustinTrouble> _Groo_: I don't have Chronium. I have an nVidia Quadro FX 570
[14:17] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: hmmm it happens with vdpau too, but it yakes longer :P
[14:17] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: with chromium its instant
[14:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Is there a reason you updated meta-kde in Natty to 4.5.85, but kde4libs isn't uploaded (this will now break any further armel retries on kde sc modules)
[14:17] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: nvm then :)
[14:17] <JustinTrouble> _Groo_: I have massive graphical slow down after a days usage, but haven't a chance to look in to it yet
[14:18] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: its xorg.. theres a memory leak with kwin + nvidia + gpu.. it doesnt show up with compiz, or it not that aparent
[14:18] <JustinTrouble> _Groo_: If I reset the PixmapCache is makes it better temporarily
[14:18] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: he starts eating memory like theres no tomorrow
[14:19] <_Groo_> JustinTrouble: how do i do that?
[14:19] <_Groo_> to test here
[14:19] <JustinTrouble> _Groo_: Run "nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=0 && nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=1" from the command line
[14:19] <_Groo_> huuu nice, let me see
[14:19] <JustinTrouble> Good luck :D
[14:20] <_Groo_> it appears to make it a little better... im gonna bug the nvidia guys
[14:20] <_Groo_> brb
[14:20] <_Groo_> but its definitely something between kwin + nvidia
[14:32] <Riddell> ScottK: the whole of 4.5.85 is being uploaded, just limited by my bandwidth
[14:33] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[14:33] <ScottK> Riddell: As soon as kde4libs hits we ought to have it rescored on armel so we minimize the breakage there.
[14:35] <droidslayer> Riddell: did aakshay show up yet? ... he caught me at college and asked everything about pbuilders for 3 hours :P
[14:38] <JustinTrouble> _Groo_: Agreed!
[14:38] <Riddell> droidslayer: no
[14:38] <JustinTrouble> Blimey, didn't realise it was actually 4.6 beta 2 release day today!
[14:39] <JustinTrouble> That came around quick :)
[14:55] <Riddell> JustinTrouble: so maverick 4.6 beta 2 from ninjas working for you?
[14:56] <JustinTrouble> Aye Riddell, it is thank you
[14:56] <JustinTrouble> Been using it solidly for the last hour
[14:57] <Riddell> great, thanks
[14:57] <Riddell> _Groo_: did you test maverick?
[14:57] <_Groo_> Riddell: updating
[14:57] <Riddell> ooh http://dot.kde.org/2010/12/08/canonical-donates-server-kde
[14:58] <_Groo_> Riddell: should be over in 45 min
[15:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: for an @kde.org mail addy one files a ticket with the sysadmins?
[15:33] <_Groo_> ok this one is new :D
[15:33] <_Groo_> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 19523 9762 
[15:33] <_Groo_> errors are bizarre now! in apt!
[15:34] <agateau> Riddell: I like how you sound surprised by dot articles you write yourself :)
[15:35] <_Groo_> my notebook is a i7 with 4 cores (8 virtual) 1TB 2 hds, im better then that server XD
[15:36] <_Groo_> AH!
[15:37] <yofel> meh, you've got better hardware than me :/
[15:45] <apachelogger> agateau: lol
[15:46] <apachelogger> hm
[15:46] <apachelogger> imagine a workstation of _Groo_'s
[15:46] <apachelogger> that might easily have more useless resources than mine ^^
[15:55] <apachelogger> KCrash: Application 'kwin' crashing...
[15:55] <apachelogger> fancy
[15:57] <JustinTrouble> How rare
[16:02] <apachelogger> aha
[16:02] <apachelogger> wow
[16:02] <apachelogger> python eats my phone
[16:02] <apachelogger> hooray
[16:02] <apachelogger> this is awesome
[16:03] <ScottK> Riddell: It's starting to look to me like your kde4libs upload didn't make it ...
[16:16] <apachelogger> Exit message has been set to: "PVRShell: Unable to initialise EGL
[16:16] <apachelogger> ".
[16:16] <apachelogger> PVRShell: EGL Error (EGL_BAD_DISPLAY)
[16:16] <apachelogger> argh!!!!!!!!
[16:16] <yofel> nice, k3b segfaults on natty
[16:17]  * yofel loves that drkonqi now scrolls to the relevant thread when retracing :D
[16:36] <ScottK> Ah.  There it is.
[16:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its not a workstation is a kick ass notebook :D with a nvidia g230m with 1GB dedicated ram also :D
[16:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and a 17'' lcd display
[16:42] <_Groo_> apachelogger: the little beast is BIG
[16:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: actually LED display not lcd
[16:45] <apachelogger> oh dear
[16:46]  * apachelogger triggered a nerdgasm
[16:46] <apachelogger> meh
[16:46] <apachelogger> .
[16:47] <apachelogger> mine is a 600mhz cortex A8
[16:47] <apachelogger> with pvr sgx
[16:47] <apachelogger> 256mb ram
[16:47] <Riddell> yofel: amd64?
[16:47] <apachelogger> 3.5 inch display
[16:48] <yofel> Riddell: yes
[16:48] <Riddell> yofel: mm, it does seem to on amd64, havn't looked into why
[16:49] <yofel> tried to rebuild against 4.5.85, didn't help, installing hal doesn't either
[16:49] <Riddell> it might trigger a crash in the new solid stuff
[16:49] <yofel> it does indeed seem so from the trace, sec
[16:50] <yofel> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541056/
[16:51] <Riddell> Solid::Block::device (this=0x0) at ../../../solid/solid/block.cpp:52
[16:51] <Riddell> yes, something bad in the new solid
[16:51] <Riddell> yofel: do report that upstream on solid
[16:52] <yofel> seems fixed upstream
[16:52] <Riddell> yofel: why do you think that?
[16:52] <yofel> kde bug 249371
[16:53] <Riddell> _Groo_: did you get maverick tested?
[16:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: updating as we speak
[16:54] <_Groo_> Riddell: the only problem so far was with my own hupnp, so its updating cleanly
[17:01] <_Groo_> Riddell: still upgrading the system... huuugge
[17:02]  * yofel had >400 updates with natty, not only KDE though
[17:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: when do we get a n900 compatible kernel?
[17:15] <ScottK> Not sure.
[17:16] <ScottK> Just got the base omap3 kernel in.
[17:16] <apachelogger> I see
[17:16]  * apachelogger tries to hook dkms up with the meego kernel
[17:17] <apachelogger> I am this close to getting opengles going!!!
[17:17] <apachelogger> only a stupid segfault (supposedly because of kernel module stuff) is standing in my way
[17:23] <apachelogger> /var/lib/dkms/powervr-omap3/3.01.00.07/build/services4/3rdparty/bufferclass_ti/bc_cat.c:491: error: implicit declaration of function 'omap_rev_lt_3_0'
[17:23] <apachelogger> meh
[17:29] <Riddell> hmm, no Groo
[17:30] <Riddell> worrying
[17:52] <yofel> Riddell: did you upload kdeadmin 4.5.4 again?
[17:53] <Riddell> yofel: not yet
[17:53] <Riddell> if you are able to do it please do
[17:53] <Riddell> needs 4.5.85really4.5.4-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1 version number.  lovely
[17:53] <yofel> then I'll do it, the package is still in the pool
[17:57] <yofel> geh, I'll have to rename the orig.tar too -.-
[18:00] <yofel> done
[18:38] <CIA-24> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1204696 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (package.cpp package.h) Add some new functions: recommendsList(), suggestsList(), enhancesList() and enhancedByList() to return QStringLists of the names of packages that have various relational statuses with the Package
[18:54] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/0pW6K.png
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> MSC can't install addons yet, but it can display them now
[18:58] <yofel> cool ^^
[18:58] <ulysses> like
[19:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, it worked
[19:00] <_Groo_> Riddell: but i had to remove hal, it was breaking powerdevil... also powerdevil doesnt control my brightenss anymroe :( do i need to install anytjing else, besides upower and udisks?
[19:01] <yofel> brightness is broken here too
[19:01] <yofel> and hal BROKE powerdevil o.O?
[19:03] <ScottK> More like lack of it.
[19:03] <ScottK> Please file bugs with upstream.
[19:04] <_Groo_> yofel: not broken, powerdevil would show two bateries, and some weird behaviour, hal was fighting upower
[19:05] <ScottK> _Groo_: Did you remove hal then?
[19:05] <_Groo_> ScottK: yep
[19:05] <_Groo_> which removed some qt libs
[19:06] <ScottK> It did?
[19:06] <ScottK> Which?
[19:06] <_Groo_> and kde-standard
[19:06] <_Groo_> ScottK: let me check
[19:06] <ScottK> kde-standard is a Debianism, so I'm not suprised.
[19:08] <_Groo_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/541106
[19:09] <_Groo_> also, fancytasks is completely broken in kde 4.6, needs to be sent bug upstream to the author... after recompiled it doesnt work anymore, all broken
[19:10] <_Groo_> i also disabled filewatch, it will kill my I/O everytime i log, i know its a known "feature" but until some kernel based inotify system that works is developer, filewatch isnt going to be enabld
[19:11] <ScottK> _Groo_: kde-standard is the only thing there that depends on hal, so I think there's no hal related suprises there.
[19:12] <ScottK> _Groo_: Sounds like mabye we ought to disable filewatch by default.
[19:12] <_Groo_> ScottK: so i can reinstall the qt stuff and leave kde-standard alone?
[19:12] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:12] <ScottK> It shouldn't pull hal back in.
[19:12] <_Groo_> ScottK: i agree, filewatch works but its a resource hog
[19:14] <_Groo_> ScottK: hal is still downloaded with the above list, the qt ones call hal allright
[19:14] <ScottK> Weird.
[19:14] <_Groo_> ScottK: try this: apt-fast install libqtcontacts1 libqtlocation1 libqtmessaging1 libqtmultimediakit1 libqtopiamail1 libqtpublishsubscribe1 libqtsensors1 libqtserviceframework1 libqtsysteminfo1 libqtversit1 qtmobility-dev servicefw
[19:14] <_Groo_> it will call hal
[19:16] <ScottK> _Groo_: libqtserviceframework1 on Maverick.
[19:16] <_Groo_> ScottK: no i need it for anything?
[19:16] <ScottK> Right.
[19:16] <ScottK> There in natty too.
[19:17] <_Groo_> ScottK: even without framework it still calls hal :P
[19:17] <ScottK> qtmobility-dev depends on libqtserviceframework1 
[19:17] <_Groo_> ScottK: ah ok
[19:18] <ScottK> There's nothing on that list that's needed for a standard Kubuntu install
[19:18] <ScottK> Riddell: We ought to see if we can arrange for libqtserviceframework1 not to depend on hal.
[19:18] <_Groo_> ScottK: and the others need, and so on and so on, they are all interdependent
[19:18] <ScottK> Right.
[19:19] <_Groo_> besides that it works fairly well
[19:30] <_Groo_> quick acess is broken too :P
[19:33] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: ^^^
[19:33] <ScottK> Does it just need a rebuild?
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> worksforme (tm)
[19:34] <ScottK> _Groo_: For quickaccess, we need a little more definition on 'broken'.
[19:49] <_Groo_> ScottK: it compiles, you can add it to the panel but when you click on it it doesnt show the contents of the folder
[20:01] <_Groo_> guys im getting a lot of this: kde(21546)/kdeui (KIconLoader): Trying to remove an entry which is already invalid. This  cache is likely corrupt.
[20:01] <_Groo_> lots of it.. where can i remove the cache to be rebuild?
[20:08] <_Groo_> anyone?
[20:09] <yofel> IIRC the icon cache was in /var/tmp, let me try first, I'm getting those too
[20:12] <_Groo_> yofel: k
[20:16] <yofel> seems they're gone after purging kdecache
[20:18] <_Groo_> is kmail working in 4.6 maverick?
[20:18] <Trouble> Time to install beta 2 on my laptop
[20:19] <_Groo_> it said it migrated my account (although i found it to be very fast, maybe he didnt?), but it doesnt show up, no trayicon, no nothing, but the process is up 
[20:31] <_Groo_> yofel: found it?
[20:32] <yofel> _Groo_: I just purged /var/tmp/kdecache-yofel and let the cache be regenerated on login
[20:32] <yofel> seems like the messages are gone
[20:32] <_Groo_> yofel: it worked?
[20:32] <_Groo_> yofel: k, do you use kmail?
[20:32] <yofel> no thunderbird
[20:33] <_Groo_> yofel: ah
[20:33] <_Groo_> anyone using kmail and kde 4.6 beta 2?
[20:35] <yofel> kmail 4.5.85 seems to work here in natty, just looks bad as ever with my colorscheme
[20:41] <yofel> er, how do I quit kmail without killing it? The icon is gone..
[20:42]  * yofel shoots it
[20:45] <_Groo_> yofel: here he doesnt show up, but im behind a proxy, maybe with akonadi he now waits for pop acess and sits there.. silly kmail.. gonna retest at home
[20:46] <yofel> hm, I'm using IMAP and it works
[20:50] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah just checked,m he uses akonadi_pop3 now.. aparently if you are behind a proxy he stays in a "stupid" state and never shows kmail, gonna retest at home
[20:50] <_Groo_> seeya guys later
[20:50] <_Groo_> Riddell: upgrade went fine
[20:50] <yofel> cu
[20:56] <eMyller> hey
[20:56] <eMyller> did anyone see problems with depmod in latest kernel update?
[20:58] <yofel> if you mean 37-8 that works fine here
[21:00] <eMyller> natty?
[21:01] <eMyller> i'm on maverick, 25-24
[21:01] <eMyller> * trying to install 25-24
[21:03] <yofel> hm, let me wake up my maverick machine
[21:08] <amichair> I just upgraded using the kubuntu updates ppa and it said packages like kdebase-workspace, kubuntu-desktop, plasma-desktop were removed. After a reboot a I get a blank screen after logoff. Is this a packaging bug or a problem in my setup?
[21:08] <amichair> s/logoff/logon/
[21:10] <yofel> if plasma-desktop was removed you're bound to get a blank screen, that's not supposed to be removed, can you pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[21:10] <yofel> amichair: can you try to install kubuntu-desktop again, that should install everything again
[21:12] <yofel> amichair: also, you upgraded from where to where, or did you just install updates? which release?
[21:13] <amichair> yofel: it's actually a fresh install of maverick from this afternoon, without anything out of the ordinary I can think of. I just added the ppa now, and apt-get updated&upgraded.
[21:13] <amichair> (on a netboook)
[21:15] <eMyller> yofel: got this while trying to manually configure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541155
[21:16] <yofel> I'll try, seems like /etc/kernel/postinst.d/nvidia-common errors
[21:16] <yofel> amichair: odd, can you get me your history?
[21:16] <amichair> yofel: installing kubuntu-desktop indeed fixed it.
[21:16] <amichair> what do u mean by history?
[21:16] <yofel>  /var/log/apt/history.log
[21:17] <amichair> yofel: where should I send to?
[21:17] <yofel> pastebin it
[21:18] <eMyller> yofel: i just removed nvidia-common (actually i don't even need it) and the upgrade ran smoothly.
[21:18] <amichair> yofel: btw I also have unsupported updates checked in software-properties-kde
[21:18] <eMyller> maybe this should be reported somewhere else...
[21:19] <yofel> amichair: you mean maverick-backports?
[21:19] <amichair> yofel: if that's what the checkbox for 'Unsupported Updates' means :-)
[21:20] <yofel> not sure myself, let me check
[21:21] <yofel> yep, should be backports, but I just did an i386 update test and got the same:
[21:21] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[21:21] <yofel>   kdebase-workspace-bin kubuntu-desktop plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace
[21:21] <yofel> NOT good
[21:22] <yofel> aptitude does it right though o.O
[21:23] <amichair> I guess if u can recreate it it's a good thing... sorta ;-)
[21:26] <amichair> yofel: I guess you'll be able to take it from here - thanks!
[21:26] <yofel> works fine on amd64 which is probably why it didn't show in MY update tests
[21:26] <amichair> yofel: let me know if there's anything else that might be helpful
[21:27] <amichair> hmmm yep this happened on a netbook (i386), the desktop amd64 (with an long upgrade path history) didn't get the bug
[21:37] <yofel> don't have time to look at this more right now, filed it as bug 687551
[21:42] <JontheEchidna> ugh, internet outages stink
[22:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[22:26] <CIA-24> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1204742 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Do not put virtual packages in to the recommends/suggest/enhances lists, otherwise we get the weird "pipenightdreams" package that Muon somehow identifies as being the ATI binary video driver. :s
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> By Stallman's beard the APT API is bad
[22:26] <apachelogger> and alien is the crap
[22:26]  * apachelogger doesnt get it to spit out files
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> it took me 20 minutes to find out how to figure out if a package was virtual or not
[22:27] <apachelogger> oh dear
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> because there is a different way with each of the 3 or 4 iterators
[22:27] <apachelogger> that is pretty bad alright
[22:27] <JontheEchidna> binary package cache -> mmap. So far so good
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> -> add 3 or 4 iterators across the mmap to gain all knowledge about packages. FAIL
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> well at least pipenightdreams is no longer polluting the recommends list of every package with a virtual recommend
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> I'd use an APT2 that had something like the QApt API (cstring based for toolkit neutrality)
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> of course I'd immediately write a thin Qt wrapper to get a QString API, but... ;-)
[22:32] <apachelogger> ^^
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> oh lawd, somebody stop me before I continue having delusions of rewriting APT
[22:32]  * apachelogger holds back on the stopping and supports the delusionism ^^
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, and on the topic of c-strings
[22:33]  * apachelogger grows ever so grumpy with alien and wants to sue somebody
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> I really, really hate libraries that return null cstring pointers
[22:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does that not make all sorts of sense?
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> is there any way to do empty cstrings?
[22:35] <apachelogger> no
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> meh
[22:35] <apachelogger> empty string == '\0'
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> then yeah, I guess it makes sense
[22:35] <apachelogger> which still needs memory allocated
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> well, I'm not even concerned about the memory consumption
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> just return it \0
[22:36] <apachelogger> you need to malloc it
[22:36] <apachelogger> otherwise you get a dangling pointer outside
[22:36] <apachelogger> so it is not really about the consumption but about the time it requires to get the heap memory
[22:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: But you knew you were making qapt to wrap the suckage and hide it away.  Just embrace the suck.
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> that's true
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> I just like to complain I guess :P
[22:38] <ScottK> Lingering teenage tendencies.
[22:38]  * apachelogger needs to consult with the elders of kubuntu
[22:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: what does one do when alien does not spit out debs? :P
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> I really like QLatin1String
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> you can safely pass it a null c-string pointer
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> and it's not that much more overhead compared to the bare c-string
[22:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: I never wanted it to spit out debs.  I only used it with -tgz because then it makes a tarball with the patches on the outside where I can find them and steal them.
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> especially if you're going to use it as a QString in a GUI anyways
[22:40] <apachelogger> hm
[22:40] <apachelogger> rsalveti confirmed my suspicion that the meego kernel and our propriatry opengels stuff for omap3 is not going well together
[22:40] <apachelogger> so we concluded that maybe installing the meego libs might fix that
[22:41] <apachelogger> of course for that I'd first need to alien them
[22:41] <apachelogger> so now not only the kernel is in my way of getting gles working but also stupid alien
[22:41] <apachelogger> ...
[22:41] <apachelogger> that happens when you write software in perl
[22:41] <apachelogger> it just does not work
[22:41] <apachelogger> :P
[22:41]  * apachelogger throws alien after DarkwingDuck :P
[22:42] <ulysses> Lokalize crashes when I press backspace -.-
[22:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you and kronos continue work yesterday?
[22:42] <apachelogger> ulysses: dont press backspace then?
[22:43] <ulysses> apachelogger: :P
[22:43] <apachelogger> maybe you need to switch to insert mode
[22:43] <apachelogger> if you press backspace in vim and you are not in insert all hell breaks loose too
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nope, he never asked for help.
[22:44] <apachelogger> so I suppose the task was a bit too much
[22:44] <apachelogger> that is because Riddell is spoiling the minions :P
[22:50] <DarkwingDuck> an alien? I love aliens apachelogger 
[22:50] <apachelogger> everyone loves me, that is not the point...
[22:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: Progress is being made on the kernel.  I checked in with the developer after you asked today.
[22:50] <apachelogger> awesome
[22:51] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you are not member of https://launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[22:51] <apachelogger> omg!!!!
[22:51]  * apachelogger would really like to get a working prototype of kubuntu mobile today -.-
[23:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: when to use techbase and when to use community.kde.org?
[23:01] <Nightrose> wiki.kde.org can help
[23:01] <Nightrose> or you tell me what you want to put there
[23:01] <apachelogger> uhhh
[23:01] <apachelogger> this is all getting confusing ^^
[23:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: wondering where to ditch phonon internal development stuff things
[23:02] <apachelogger> roadmap and todos etc.
[23:02] <Nightrose> community
[23:02] <apachelogger> kthx
[23:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: tutorials and examples go to techbase?
[23:02] <Nightrose> depends if they're for 3rd party devs or for users
[23:03] <Nightrose> users -> userbase
[23:03] <apachelogger> yeah, 3rd party
[23:03]  * apachelogger understands the wiki structure again \\o/
[23:03]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose
[23:03] <Nightrose> ;-)
[23:06] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: but of course I am
[23:07] <apachelogger> you were not
[23:07] <apachelogger> that is cheating
[23:07]  * apachelogger feels the need to file a removal request for alien
[23:21] <kuvu> I suggest "Thank you for choosing Kubuntu" is more appropriate since it looks like it's hard to get the number right
[23:22] <kuvu> It happened before and it's still is
[23:23] <kuvu> in the slide show
[23:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong
[23:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: nvm
[23:35] <yofel> Riddell: any idea what would cause bug 687551 or do you know how to tell apt it's reason for removing them? I'm a bit out of ideas since aptitude works fine
[23:36] <yofel> *how to tell apt to tell me it's reason for removing them
[23:36] <kuvu> yofel: dependencies
[23:38] <yofel> well, but most people fixed it by installing kubuntu-desktop immediately after that, so the deps can't be that broken, aptitude work fine and amd64 isn't affected
[23:38] <Riddell> yofel: let it do its thing then see what happens when you try to install  kdebase-workspace-bin
[23:38] <yofel> k, sec
[23:40] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED: libweather-ion4a
[23:40] <yofel> The following NEW packages will be installed: kdebase-workspace-bin libweather-ion5 plasma-dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-widgets-workspace
[23:41] <Riddell> I do dislike library transitions
[23:47] <Riddell> well my upgrade is going fine
[23:47] <yofel> Riddell: i386 or amd64?
[23:48] <Riddell> yofel: oh you're doing kubuntu-ppa updates, I thought you were doing ninjas
[23:48] <yofel> nope, that's maverick updates, which is why it's rather bad
[23:49] <yofel> only happens with i386 apt-get, aptitude or amd64 apt do the right thing
[23:49] <apachelogger> oh wellz
[23:49] <apachelogger> I do not see this going anywhere
[23:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: without kernel I doubt we will ever get opengles going
[23:50] <apachelogger> tried with meego's gles stack which requires their fbdev xorg driver which segfaults on our X
[23:53] <Riddell> yofel: you didn't have some plasmoid that was keeping libweather-ion4a installed?
[23:54] <yofel> Riddell: that's a clean maverick i386 pbuilder chroot where I installed kubuntu-desktop -> add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa -> apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:54] <Riddell> mm, strange
[23:54] <Riddell> you can run apt-get with verbose output and it'll tell you its reasoning
[23:55] <Riddell> then you need to get someone who understands how apt reasons to explain it
[23:55]  * yofel retries
[23:57] <yofel> huh?    libweather-ion4a (4.5.1-0ubuntu8 => 4.5.2-0ubuntu1~ppa1)