[00:10] <alex_mayorga> the new desktop still won't load down here, tips?
[00:20] <charlie-tca> alex_mayorga: what video card?
[00:21] <charlie-tca> For ATI, use the default opensource driver, for Nvidia, use the hardware driver, for intel, I don't have any idea
[00:21] <yofel> intel should work out of the box
[00:31] <alex_mayorga> charlie-tca: nvidia geforce with cuda here
[00:31] <alex_mayorga> whatever that means
[00:32] <alex_mayorga> but is on a funky VAIO laptop that has EDID issues or something
[00:32] <yofel> alex_mayorga: yes, then load classic, install nvidia driver, try unity
[00:32] <alex_mayorga> how to install nvidia, jockey?
[00:33] <yofel> yep
[00:33] <yofel> (or try to install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental I think which should give nouveau 3D support)
[00:33] <alex_mayorga> how do I get back if something goes terribly wrong as it usually does with nvidia for me
[00:33] <alex_mayorga> let me try that last one, how to?
[00:34] <yofel> drop to a tty, purge nvidia driver and delete xorg.conf
[00:34] <alex_mayorga> just good old sudo
[00:34] <alex_mayorga> mind a good old 1. 2. 3.
[00:34] <yofel> last time I tried it was just install the package. BUGabundo might know more since he uses it
[00:34] <alex_mayorga> dumbed down to the extreme :)
[00:35] <alex_mayorga> yofel: hes not around though, is he/she
[00:35] <yofel> nope :/
[00:35] <alex_mayorga> how do I get the tty
[00:35] <yofel> ctrl+alt+f2
[00:36] <alex_mayorga> then?
[00:36] <yofel> sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[00:36] <yofel> then I'm not sure, reboot or maybe 'sudo service gdm restart' is enough
[00:36] <alex_mayorga> I don't think the display on this has looked this sharp, finally nouveau seems to work for this card
[00:37] <alex_mayorga> yofel: can the same be done on a terminal or has it to be tty?
[00:38] <yofel> well, restarting gdm will kill X, so you can restart from terminal, you'll end up on the login screen
[00:38] <alex_mayorga> doing sudo aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental in a terminal, let's see how that goes
[00:39] <yofel> I *hope* that's the right way. It worked when I tried it last time
[00:39] <alex_mayorga> package installed, now what? reboot?
[00:39] <alex_mayorga> sudo restart gdm ?
[00:40] <yofel> and there he goes...
[00:40] <alex_mayorga> no luck, still no panels :(
[00:42] <yofel> then reboot, it's been a while since I tried this
[00:42] <alex_mayorga> [  151.667628] polkit-gnome-au[2030]: segfault at 28 ip 00007ffa49b10948 sp 00007fff1a52d6d0 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2704.0[7ffa49ae9000+e8000]
[00:42] <alex_mayorga> that's something odd in dmesg
[00:42] <alex_mayorga> anyhow let me reboot
[00:42]  * alex_mayorga crosses fingers
[00:46] <alex_mayorga> yofel: safe mode let me in but I have the standard gnome panels
[00:46] <alex_mayorga> guess unity is not for me for now :)
[00:46] <yofel> :/
[00:47] <alex_mayorga> let me try with nvidia
[00:47] <alex_mayorga> maybe it works better now
[00:48] <alex_mayorga> jockey says "You are not authorized to perform this action."
[00:48] <alex_mayorga> I guess I'll stick to gnome for now
[00:49] <alex_mayorga> it's so crisp that I can't believe it :D
[00:58] <alex_mayorga> bug 417462
[00:58] <charlie-tca> again?
[00:58] <alex_mayorga> somehow I managed to get that one in natty
[01:00] <alex_mayorga> charlie-tca: I'm about to run for my class but I just saw that or a really similar one
[01:00] <charlie-tca> anything is possible at this point.
[01:02] <alex_mayorga> shall I re-open that one?
[01:02] <charlie-tca> I would file a new one
[01:03] <charlie-tca> There are too many changes to say it is the same thing causing it. You can reference the old bug in the comments
[02:37] <hallyn_> do i understand right that, at this point, 'netbook' and 'desktop' are supposed to be 100% identical?
[02:39] <charlie-tca> nope
[02:39] <charlie-tca> not at this point, they aren't
[02:40] <hallyn_> hm.  bc i did a do-dist-upgrade in my maverick netbook, and it ends up exactly like my natty desktop
[02:40] <charlie-tca> That is the eventual goal.
[02:41] <charlie-tca> appearance might be the same, but there are a few bugs yet in desktop
[02:41] <hallyn_> but in the meantime there is a separate set of netbook packages?  how would i get those back?
[02:41] <hallyn_> s/back//
[02:41] <hallyn_> aptitude search was not helpful
[02:41] <charlie-tca> I do not know
[02:42] <hallyn_> hm.  ok, thanks.
[02:42] <hallyn_> suppose i could install fresh from a new usb stick
[03:07] <Andre_Gondim> Why my noteebook reset when I am using flash player?
[03:07] <nit-wit> Andre_Gondim, just logged on what do you mean by reset
[03:29] <hallyn_> hm, interesting - netbook cds are now only for arm
[04:21] <F3RR1S> I really need some help getting the refresh rate on my laptop (i945 mobile) graphics card to refresh at 80
[04:23] <F3RR1S> the are no additional settings under the Monitors tab other than 60... too slow
[05:01] <MTecknology> !info php5-fpm
[05:30] <F3RR1S> !topic | F3RR1S
[05:40] <rww> hallyn_: Perhaps they're pulling a Kubuntu and combining Desktop and Netbook into one CD.
[06:00] <IdleOne> I can see it now. Do I cleck on " Try Unity Desktop or Try Unity Netbook or Try Ubuntu Classic Desktop?"
[06:00] <IdleOne> click*
[06:01] <rww> you downloaded the wrong ISO. Correct answer is "Try Kubuntu" :(
[06:01] <rww> Try both the Unity ones, see what the difference is!
[06:02] <rww> oh. that was a hypothetical. never mind :(
[14:36] <cdbs> Is there some major problem going on?
[14:36] <cdbs> PArtial upgrade comes
[14:36] <cdbs> which offers removal of 39 packages
[14:36] <cdbs> including empathy and gimp, but not ubuntu-desktop
[14:37] <IdleOne> don't run partial upgrades
[14:38] <Pici> cdbs: python2.7 rebuilds
[14:39] <IdleOne> yeah looks like python minimal wants < 2.7
[14:39] <IdleOne> but python is asking for >= 2.7
[14:39] <IdleOne> infinite loop of fun
[14:40] <Pici> Theres a thread on the -devel mailing list about it.
[14:42] <IdleOne> Funny thing is you were worried about gimp and empathy, not apport, apport-gtk, desktopcouch...
[14:42] <IdleOne> hehe
[14:52] <coz_> good day all
[14:53] <coz_> hey guys.. just noticed that  the logon screen does not respond to the "enter" key...to put int the password...I have to click my user name for the password field to open...anyone else notice this?
[14:55] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:56] <charlie-tca> appears to be a change/bug in GDM
[15:05] <coz_> charlie-tca,  ah ok
[15:32] <coz_> is anyone working on packages the compiz plugins extra ?
[15:32] <coz_> packageing
[16:06] <Pici> fagan: thanks :)
[16:06] <Pici> oops
[16:06] <Pici> IdleOne: thanks!
[16:06] <fagan> hehe
[16:06] <IdleOne> sure
[16:07] <IdleOne> Pici: just checked ML and official position is to wait and not upgrade :)
[16:51] <hifi> apparently aptitude does not do full-upgrade if one of the repositories enabled returns a 404
[16:54] <hifi> thank you for not giving any indication of that
[16:54] <hifi> other than 2 weeks of pondering why there isn't anything to upgrade
[16:58] <yofel> hifi: that is true for apt/aptitude in general, it doesn't update the package lists if one returns a 404
[16:59] <hifi> suggestion: print some error message
[16:59] <hifi> other than the 404
[16:59] <yofel> apt-get update DOES print an error message
[16:59] <hifi> though, now I know
[16:59] <hifi> is it only aptitude that does not show anything besides 404?
[17:00] <yofel> not sure anymore what aptitude shows, but apt-get shows the 404s and some "E: Failed to fetch..." or something like that, anything that starts with E is serious
[17:00] <yofel> and breaks it
[17:20] <yoasif> anyone seeing a nasty nm-applet memory leak
[18:33] <MTecknology> I see we now have python-2.7
[18:33] <MTecknology> only thing I have installed depending on python-2.6 now is alsa-utils and firefox
[18:37] <MTecknology> and now I see the email about it
[19:48] <TFrog> anyone here tried ndiswrapper in natty yet?
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> what's with all the ugly penguin-* games?
[19:52] <TFrog> well i guess no one is testing natty narwhal on a laptop yet
[19:52] <Ian_Corne> windows 3.0 had better looking games..
[19:53] <Ian_Corne> I am
[19:53] <Ian_Corne> what would i need ndiswrapper for?
[19:53] <TFrog> depends on stability.  b43 doesn't work for crap for the 4306 broadcom.  always had more stability with ndiswrapper
[19:54] <TFrog> quite frankly, both methods for broadcom wireless are hacks anyway
[20:54] <cozziemoto> hey guys..anyone having issues switching from unity to classic gnome and back again?
[21:18] <coz_> is unity broken?
[21:22] <alex88> on virtualbox it says that i haven't the required drivers
[21:22] <alex88> any clue?
[21:27] <BUGabundo> yo
[21:27] <BUGabundo> been offline for 2 days... the missery
[21:30] <charlie-tca> alex88: you should be able to run the classic desktop session. You can't run unity and compiz in VBox
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[21:30] <charlie-tca> You seem to have survived!
[21:40] <coz_> compis/unity ....compiz isnot starting up automatically anymore,,,, i swtich from unity to classic gnome and now it doesnt work without running   compiz --replace ccp &
[23:10] <cozziemoto> mm gdm updates and now I cant log in ,,refuses password
[23:16] <BUGabundo> aaahhhh python breakage
[23:16] <BUGabundo> there's something I didn't miss
[23:16] <BUGabundo> so are we migrating to .7 ?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> !info python-minimal
[23:17] <jamalta> hi all
[23:17] <robin0800> BUGabundo: I use safe-upgrade and there are eight packages being held
[23:17] <jamalta> so i just did an update, and login seems to be crashing.. is this a known issue?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> robin0800: I know :)
[23:18] <BUGabundo> jamalta: LOL let me guess
[23:18] <BUGabundo> python 2.7
[23:18] <jamalta> BUGabundo: That's my guess too
[23:18] <jamalta> But does it mean I'm locked out of logging in now? :|
[23:18] <charlie-tca> Python 2.7, but of course, kind of like it said in the topic.
[23:19] <BUGabundo> downgrade if you still have it on cache
[23:19] <jamalta> To python 2.6?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: why aren't we in 3.0 ?
[23:19] <jamalta> charlie-tca: i see that, but i didn't expect that.. lol
[23:20] <jamalta> I'm not too bummed about it, considering I'm running an alpha version.. but I was just wondering if there was an easy fix.
[23:20] <jamalta> BUGabundo: how do you downgrade with apt?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> not really
[23:21] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I don't know, probably because those-who-know-more-than-me decided to go to 2.7 ?
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I just go to /var/cache/apt/archive
[23:21] <BUGabundo> and dpkg -e the older package
[23:21] <BUGabundo> *.i
[23:21] <BUGabundo> gjo+erjgeo+j+3y54y
[23:21] <BUGabundo> **-i
[23:21] <charlie-tca> huh?
[23:23] <robin0800> any work arounds for compiz seg fault crashes?
[23:23] <charlie-tca> robin0800: classic desktop session?
[23:24] <robin0800> charlie-tca: yes but compiz crashes in that too
[23:24] <jamalta> Question, will the python rebuilds happen in the next few hours, or should I expect to have a broken system for the next few days or so?
[23:24] <charlie-tca> Well, have you tried without compiz, then? It is not needed in classic desktop
[23:25] <jamalta> BUGabundo: i guess i can try that
[23:25] <charlie-tca> jamalta: Until the message goes away, I guess
[23:25] <jamalta> brb everyone
[23:25] <jamalta> charlie-tca: ok :)
[23:25] <kklimonda> hola
[23:25] <robin0800> charlie-tca: yes thats what i'm running now, but i want to test unity!
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Hm, I think you asked for a workaround for the segfault?
[23:27] <robin0800> charlie-tca: yes so that compiz dosen't seg fault and lets me run unity
[23:29] <charlie-tca> sorry, too tired for mind reading today