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hggdhargh! Now I was hit by a hidden timeout00:04
* hggdh restarts the whole shebang after increasing the timeout to an absurd 60 minutes00:04
hggdhso. 126 builds so far, each taking at least 20 minutes00:18
hggdhs/126/26/00:18
charlie-tcaIsn't that going to take a long time ? ;-)00:19
hggdhwell, it should have been just one or two builds00:20
charlie-tcaOh, well. No problem then... full basket :-)00:23
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mrlinuxHey guys. I just noticed that Ubuntu minimal CD doesn't come with the ath9k drivers/modules - which prevents me from using it on my netbook that has Atheros ethernet card.02:50
micahgmrlinux: what about the live cd?02:50
mrlinuxmicahg: that works fine.02:51
mrlinuxthe curious thing is that even Debian netinstall CD has the same problem. Apparently, the drivers were not added by us/canonical when we/they released the debian netinstall as ubuntu minimal.02:52
micahgmrlinux: so, the minimal cd is meant to be minimal, it can't have all the drivers02:52
mrlinuxnope.. the minimal is supposed to just boot up and install a barely bootable system with apt/aptitude.. and you are expected to install your requirements on it.02:53
micahgmrlinux: idk if the minimal CD is meant for netbooks, does it have other wireless drivers?02:54
mrlinuxI don't expect wireless drivers to be installed... since its a minimal CD02:55
mrlinuxbut even the hardwire ethernet doesn't work.02:56
mrlinuxbasically it doesn't recognize the atheros ethernet card.02:56
micahgmrlinux: wired ethernet would be a problem02:56
mrlinuxyep.. which is preventing me from installing it :-( I only use very few programs and I don't like to install a full fledged distro like fluxbuntu or xubuntu either.02:57
micahgmrlinux: I'd suggest filing a bug against ubuntu-minimal (probably not the right place, but they should know where it goes)02:58
mrlinuxcool, I just wanted to make sure that it is a bug :-) Sure, I will file it... but I don't know how to do it online, would you please point me to a link where I can file it online?03:00
charlie-tca!bugs03:18
ubot2If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots03:18
charlie-tcathere is a link in the middle of that03:19
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c2tarunhow can i directly look for untriaged bugs in launchpad??08:14
micahgc2tarun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New  <-- this is most of them08:16
micahgc2tarun: notare all are untriaged, but most08:16
micahg*most are08:16
c2tarunok thanks :)08:17
c2taruni triaged this bug #687156 reproduced it and marked it confirmed. what now??08:59
ubot2Launchpad bug 687156 in pitivi (Ubuntu) "Pitivi gives an error importing MPEG files (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68715608:59
laynHi09:14
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waschtlhi folks - I think I found a bug in maverick in the kernel portion of ebtables10:59
waschtlthe command 'ebtables -A OUTPUT -p arp -o eth0.20 -j DROP' causes a kernel oops followed by a kernel panic11:00
waschtlhas anybody seen this before?11:00
waschtlthe kernel log is at http://pastie.org/135845011:01
waschtlrelevance begins at [ 1105.953771]11:01
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c2tarunneed help in triaging bug #687303 . how can i reproduce it??15:28
ubot2Launchpad bug 687303 in totem (Ubuntu) "video can't play but sound can be heard (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68730315:28
charlie-tcaIf you know where to download an mp4 video, you download it and install totem to play it. Is mp4 video or just audio?15:30
charlie-tcaYou can also mark it incomplete and ask the reporter for the url to get the mp4 used15:31
njineppe84: non c'è !15:31
c2taruncharlie: here comes the problem, i m using lucid, bug is reported in maverick. i have a chroot of natty created with pbuilder, but no desktop env installed in it, so totem player cannot be played.15:31
charlie-tcaThen skip that bug and find one you can reproduce. There are other people that will be able to work that one15:32
c2taruncharlie: hmm... most of the bugs are reported in maverick and natty. I have to skip most of the bugs then :(15:33
charlie-tcathe answer is to use VirtualBox, maybe? or just upgrade your system to maverick15:34
c2tarunok, i'll try virtual box. just one more help please. which version should i use into virtual box? natty or maverick??15:35
charlie-tcaI would install natty, but with the idea it is sometimes broken and won't work for any bugs involving unity and compiz.15:36
c2tarunok thanks :)15:36
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charlie-tcaI prefer to know if the issues actually exist in the latest development release. Many times they get fixed, but not fixed in the old release.15:38
c2taruncharlie: how can i know that??15:38
charlie-tcaTesting in natty shows if the bug still exists in that. Since Natty is the development release now, if the bug is fixed in it, we can tell the reporter that we can not reproduce it there.15:40
c2tarunon ubuntu.com natty is not available for download. where can i get it??15:41
charlie-tcaheh15:41
charlie-tca!daily15:41
ubot2Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/15:41
njin_today build of alternate in /daily/ don't work /dependencies, latest desktop qorking iis 06 in /daily-live15:43
charlie-tcac2tarun: ^ ^ ^15:44
charlie-tcaThanks, njin15:44
njin_np15:44
c2taruncharlie: ya got it... thanks :)15:44
CarlFKc2tarun:  I have a daily natty box. want me to test something?16:03
CarlFKdaily = installed natty about 8 hours ago16:04
c2tarunsure look download a mp4 file please16:04
c2taruntry this http://www.mp4point.com/downloads/63927132e120.zip16:07
c2tarunits a small mp4 file16:07
c2tarunCarlFK: u there??16:07
CarlFKah, thanks.  was looking for a file.16:08
CarlFKzip?16:08
c2tarunyup... you can use unzip16:08
CarlFKmedia files generally don't compress16:08
CarlFKno biggie16:08
c2tarunstill website is providing this way only. :|16:09
c2tarunCarlFK: u got the mp4 file??16:13
bdmurraypedro_: could you look at bug 654578?16:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 654578 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Returned to gdm screen after logging in (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65457816:16
CarlFKc2tarun: got it, on phone...16:17
c2tarunCarlFK;ok :)16:19
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c2tarunIf a bug is posted in a language other than english, what should we mark that bug: Invalid or Incomplete??16:37
paultagc2tarun: see if you can get someone to translate it if it looks valid. use translate.google and get a rough idea16:39
c2tarunpaultag: but for translating using google tag, we need to know the native language... :/16:40
yofelc2tarun: google translate has an auto detection, try that16:40
paultag+1 yofel16:41
c2tarunI tried, its detecting english only....  check this:   http://translate.google.com/#auto|en|Re-bonjour%2C%0A%0AUn%20autre%20probl%C3%A8me%20de%20crash%20provoqu%C3%A9%20par%20swfdec%20apparemment.%0AJe%20viens%20de%20recompiler%20les%20derniers%20sources%20d%27ella.%0A%0ACi-dessous%20la%20log%20de%20ella.%0A%0ACordialement%2C%0AZebulon%0A%0A--------------------------------------------------------------%0A%0Avaleur%20maxi%20200%0Afind%20pile%20titre%20%316:41
c2tarunET2%3C%0Aajout%20de%20%3AT2%3C%0Anbre%20total%20valeurs%20ds%20func%20text%20sprite%3A1%0Afind%20pile%20titre%20%3ER1%3C%0Aajout%20de%20%3AR1%3C%0Afind%20pile%20titre%20%3ET2%3C%0Afind%20pile%20titre%20%3ER1%3C%0A%22%2Ftmp%2Fella-temp.sc%22%2C%20line%2013%20column%208%3A%20warning-%20As%20of%20version%200.8.2%20using%20the%20.change%20command%20to%20modify%20an%20object%27s%20position%20on%20the%20stage%20is%20considered%20deprecated.%20Future%20version16:41
c2taruns%20may%20consider%20x%20and%20y%20parameters%20for%20the%20.change%20command%20to%20be%20illegal%3B%20please%20use%20the%20.move%20command.%0A%22%2Ftmp%2Fella-temp.sc%22%2C%20line%2015%20column%2016%3A%20warning-%20As%20of%20version%200.8.2%20using%20the%20.change%20command%20to%20modify%20an%20object%27s%20position%20on%20the%20stage%20is%20considered%20deprecated.%20Future%20versions%20may%20consider%20x%20and%20y%20parameters%20for%20the%20.change%216:41
c2tarun0command%20to%20be%20illegal%3B%20please%20use%20the%20.move%20command.%0A%0A%28ella%3A15696%29%3A%20Swfdec-CRITICAL%20**%3A%20swfdec_player_set_renderer%3A%20assertion%20%60SWFDEC_IS_PLAYER%20%28player%29%27%20failed%0AErreur%20de%20segmentation16:41
c2tarunsorry i should have used pastebin16:41
paultagHoly jesus16:42
paultagc2tarun: just send the bug number16:42
yofeland we're planning to convert non-english bugs into questions on the answer tracker with the correct language set in the future16:42
c2tarun#68739816:42
yofellp 68739816:42
hggdhbug 68739816:42
ubot2Launchpad bug 687398 in ella "Autre exemple de Crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68739816:42
hggdhanother example of crash16:43
paultagthat looks like french16:43
hggdhit is french16:43
hggdhwhy invalid?16:43
paultag+1 hggdh16:43
paultagthe french loco hats us enough because LP is not translated :)16:44
c2tarunsorry hggdh i didn't know what we should mark the bugs not in english.16:44
paultaghates *16:44
* yofel notes that's not really our job since it's not a bug in Ubuntu16:44
yofelanyway, google translate should work fine with french16:44
paultagwhoh, really great catch. I did not even look16:45
hggdhindeed -- it was opened against ella upstream, not Ubuntu16:45
c2tarungoogle tranlstor translated it. what should i do now??16:45
paultagnothing16:45
paultagc2tarun: the lead on that project speaks french16:45
paultagc2tarun: lp ~xapantu16:45
paultagactually, same with the top 3 contributors16:46
hggdhI reset it to New16:46
paultagthanks hggdh :)16:46
hggdhc2tarun: we should not touch bugs that are not in Ubuntu16:46
c2tarunsorry paultag what is "lp ~xapantu"??16:46
paultagc2tarun: ubuntu-bugs should only be doing ubuntu bugs, since that's not a bug with ubuntu ( ubuntu/+source/<foo> ), avoid it, it's someone else's project's bug ( Launchpad is not just for Ubuntu )16:46
yofelc2tarun: ~xapantu is the user ID on launchpad -> https://launchpad.net/~xapantu16:47
c2tarunhggdh: sorry, from next time i'll take care of this.16:47
hggdhc2tarun: no probs :-)16:47
paultaglive and learn16:47
paultag:)16:47
hggdhBTW, it is an easy French (well, OK, if you speak the language)16:47
charlie-tcac2tarun: bugs we work have (ubuntu) after the "affects "16:47
charlie-tcathat one is in "Ella" with out the (ubuntu)16:48
c2taruncharlie-tca: ya i noticed it just now :(16:48
paultaghggdh: I don't speak French, but I could get the gist of it :)16:48
paultagfunny how that works16:48
hggdhpaultag: heh16:48
CarlFKcats..mp4 - ID_VIDEO_FORMAT=H264 Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264)16:49
CarlFKmplayer plays it, but totem says "need to get codec"16:49
c2tarunCarlFK: if possible let totem player download the codec.16:50
CarlFKk - wasn't sure it we expected it to work out of the box16:50
c2tarunCarlFK: please check if totem is playing it after downloading codecs or not....16:52
CarlFKc2tarun: "need codec ... (cancel) (search)"  I hit search, it closes the dialog and plays the audio, video is  visualization of audio - same as if I hit 'cancel'16:54
CarlFKrebooting the box.  I may reinstall without mplayer16:54
c2tarunthis was the bug. only audio is coming no video output... i am confirming the bug. OK16:56
c2tarunCarlFK: u there?? should i mark the bug confirmed??16:56
CarlFKc2tarun: kinda.  let me gather some more details first.  which often leads me to realizing my tests are screwy, so don't mark it just yet17:02
CarlFKoh hell, #687303 is reported against 10.10 - does it matter I am using natty?17:08
yofelvish: there? got a papercuts question17:10
vishyoasif: o/17:11
vishoops! yofel: ^17:11
yofelheh17:11
charlie-tcaCarlFK: It is better if you can make it work in Natty17:11
charlie-tcaor even reproduce the issue in Natty17:12
CarlFKeither way, I think I have a 2nd bug to report: http://dpaste.de/piPe/17:12
CarlFKcharlie-tca: repoduced in natty, plus that.17:12
vishhggdh: your student ojap seems to have not subscribed to the mentor mailing list.. i guess he has lost interest..17:12
charlie-tcareproduced in Natty means the bug can be triaged17:12
CarlFKc2tarun: mark #687303 confirmed17:12
CarlFKI'll do a clean natty install and log that python stack dump17:13
yofelI saw some people fixing package descriptions - like bug 602671. Are those debdiffs supposed to be applied to ubuntu? If yes, your folks need to subscribe ubuntu-sponsors, since the review team will focus on getting that into debian, it doesn't meed the importance for a deban/ubuntu delta IMHO17:13
ubot2Launchpad bug 602671 in p7zip (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Description: p7zip (affects: 5) (heat: 26)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60267117:13
yofels/meed/meet/17:13
vishyofel: ssj6akshat sent the bug to debian..17:13
charlie-tcaCarlFK: wonder if that is related to the python2.7 upgrades happening now?17:14
vishi guess we need to track the debian bug#17:14
vishyofel: we should be sending the patch to debian first..17:14
yofelvish: there's no indication of that on the bug, and if you're sending patches upstream please follow the patch workflow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/ReviewGuide17:15
vishyofel: hmm, review guide?17:15
CarlFKcharlie-tca: i know a bit of py.  wtf: try:  from aptdaemon.defer import inline_callbacks except ImportError:  pass17:16
* vish a bit confused.. 17:16
vishssj6akshat: what is the debian bug# there?17:16
CarlFKim sure there is a good reason for that... lets see whats wrong with aptdaemon.defer...17:16
yofelvish: it's the review teams job to handle patches, so if you don't follow our workflow WHILE we're subscribed to the bug it's inconvenient for us17:16
vishyofel: i'm in the review team as well.. ;)17:16
yofelvish: well, at least add the tags :P17:17
vishyofel: yea.. i'm still waiting on ssj6akshat . he sent the bug, and had some trouble there.. not sure what the status is..17:17
yofelnp17:17
vish^ha! :)17:18
vishbad freenode! everyone is timing out.. :s17:21
CarlFKcharlie-tca: aptdaemon.defer does not exit.  on my maverick box it does, and it's header says """Simplified Twisted Deferreds."""17:21
yofelhaha17:21
yofelvish: what confused me actually was essentially seing a debdiff a) flagged as a patch b) not having ubuntu-sponsors subscribed so I wondered what your guys workflow there was17:22
vishyofel: yea, it's his first bug and he is still trying to get the hang of it.. :)17:23
charlie-tcaCarlFK: way over my head. May have to wait for the 2.7 changes to be completed, though. At least, right now, upgrades are broken from maverick to natty by this17:23
vishyofel: btw, a debdiff too gets tagged as 'patch' , but usually someone subscribes the sponsors..17:23
yofelvish: np, good to have new people around :)17:23
vishyup..17:24
micahcowanAre merge requests strongly preferred over debdiffs (when applicable)?17:24
c2tarunvish: you are also in review team right. if some one fixed the bug and posted a patch which is verified by reviewing team? what after that? some one will take the patch from there and make a new debian package??17:24
vishmicahcowan: well, if the project is in lp.. a merge is easier17:24
charlie-tcaCarlFK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-December/032224.html17:25
micahcowanfair enough (heading to work)17:25
vishc2tarun: thats where things get fuzzy.. we should usually send the patch upstream..17:26
vishi actually like how kubuntu does their work..17:27
c2tarunvish: so that's it. we just triage the bug. a developer will fix it and release the patch and review team will send it to upstream. is this all process??17:27
vishfor any upstream bug, lp bug is closed and no one is confused.. but Ubuntu everyone submits patches in lp and they dont know where the patch needs to go...17:28
CarlFKcharlie-tca: thanks.17:28
charlie-tcaHope it explains better than me17:29
yofelvish: not *any*, high/critical bugs are usually still tracked since they get a kubuntu_XX_... patch added to the package17:29
yofelbut all usability bugs and crashes all go to bugs.kde.org17:29
yofel-1 all17:29
vishyofel: oh! but those are very minimal i guess.. still your workflow is much better17:30
yofelright, that's a last resort if upstream won't make it17:30
vishif it was the same for Ubuntu too, we would have had less of this 'Land of the Lost patches' mess17:30
vishc2tarun: yup..17:32
c2tarunvish: so in this whole process where comes the MOTU members??17:32
yofelc2tarun: well, while we're triaging the bug we're also sending the bug upstream, so ideally it should be the upstream devs that fix it in the first place17:33
vishc2tarun: well.. *i* dint write the review process.. so better ask the people who wrote it.. ;)17:33
c2tarunvish: do you asking this question in the team will do any good???17:34
yofelvish: what makes it easier for us too is that we don't use apport for KDE, drkonqi is better anyway, firefox uses their own crash handler too now17:34
c2tarunvish: do you think asking this question in the team will do any good???17:34
vishc2tarun: not sure i understand the question..17:34
yofelweren't MOTU about getting packages into universe and merging new packages from debain?17:36
yofel*debian17:36
vishyofel: oh, so drkonqi is basically the KDE apport?17:36
vishyofel: yup, MOTU maintain those packages..17:36
c2tarunvish: sorry u got me wrong, i m not saying u not understanding the question, i mean is there anyone on team who write the review process?? :)17:36
vishc2tarun: which team?17:36
c2tarunthe alpha bug squad team :\17:36
vishc2tarun: why would someone from the bugsquad team write the review team? ;)  wouldnt someone from the review team have written the review workflow? :)17:37
hggdhthe review process was written mostly by devs (MOTU, core, etc)17:38
vish write the review s/ team/ workflow17:38
yofelvish: drkonqi with my natty k3b crash: http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/konqi1.png http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/konqi2.png - when you click on report bug you fill in your crash details, username and pw and the crash gets sent to bugs.kde.org17:38
c2tarunvish: hmm.... so the easiest way to get the answer is to ask this question in #ubuntu-motu17:38
hggdhI am somewhat lost. What is the question?17:39
vishhggdh: not really.. but pers-i-a was involved too, so a dev though..17:40
c2tarunhggdh: we triage the bugs, some one fixes it and releases a patch => review team verifies the patch and sends it upstream => in this whole process where are the MOTU members??17:40
vishi think pers-i-a was the only 'dev' who helped.. i dont think he is core though.17:41
hggdhc2tarun: hopefully, reviewing the patches17:41
hggdhvish: yes, he was involved. But Daniel was also there, and others17:41
c2tarunhggdh: hmm....17:41
yofelvish: currently it's mostly daniel and nigel maintaining the team I think17:42
hggdhc2tarun: and taking care of new syncs/merges/issues on the development release17:42
c2tarunhggdh: OK17:42
vishyofel: so the form we fill it in that window, no interaction with lp or bugzilla?17:43
hggdhmostly, of course, on the Universe (where MOTUs are expected to be quite active)17:43
yofelvish: for reporting crash no, if you want to file a regular bug then konqi will only add some system information and send you to bugzilla17:44
yofel*crashes17:44
vishah!17:44
vishyay! you use a black theme too! :)17:44
yofel:D17:45
* vish among the very few such black sheep...17:45
vishssj6akshat: welcome back! ;)17:46
vishssj6akshat: have you been able to forward the p7zip bug to debian?17:47
OrpheonHello?18:08
yofelhello Orpheon18:08
OrpheonI'm comletly new here18:09
OrpheonI'm completly new here18:09
yofelthen welcome to the home of the ubuntu bugsquad, how can we help you?18:09
OrpheonWhat is a bug day? I got the email saying I should go here18:10
yofela bug day is where we triagers gather here to focus on a specific package/task, the next one is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20101209 for which you probably got the mail18:11
Orpheonthanks18:11
OrpheonIs there anything specific I should know?18:13
yofelOrpheon: if you want to help us see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs and especially https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage which shows our workflow, and come back for any questions, I'm sure you'll have them ;)18:14
OrpheonI'm reading both of them right now :) . Isn't there anyone else?18:16
Orpheonhere?18:16
c2tarunOrpheon: we all are here :)18:16
Orpheonsorry18:16
yofelsure, most probably just busy triaging or doing something else ;)18:16
c2tarunnp18:16
Orpheonoh18:16
yofelOrpheon: if you have a quesiton just ask it, when someone knows the answer they'll answer you when they look at the channel again18:17
OrpheonI'll read a bit first18:18
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rusiviRegarding bug 620290, while I am not here to question package maintainers as they know WAAYYYY more about their package than I, the Fix Released status was assigned incorrectly without verifying the result.21:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 620290 in vlc (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "vlc-1.1.2: please enable reading bookmarks from saved playlists (affects: 1) (heat: 39)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62029021:17
rusiviThis non-verification was self-admitted by the status toggler.21:18
rusiviUhhhhh little lost....21:18
charlie-tcarusivi: did you verify that the issue still exists in maverick/natty?21:24
micahgrusivi: it was the upstream maintainer who said it was fixed in 1.1.4, so since maverick has 1.1.4 it was marked fix released21:24
rusiviRémi Denis-Courmont wrote on 2010-11-27: #521:25
rusiviassumed fixed in VLC 1.1.4 in Meerkat21:25
rusiviChanged in vlc (Ubuntu):21:25
rusivistatus: Incomplete → Fix Released21:25
rusiviAssumed, not verified.21:25
charlie-tcaDid you try to reproduce the issue in maverick?21:25
charlie-tcaSince he is the maintainer, he can assume that.21:25
rusiviNot making a big deal about it, just bringing it up cause I'm subscribed and wanted to know what you thought.21:26
rusivicharlie-tca/micahg: then so be it and thanks for gut-check.21:26
charlie-tcaupstream maintainer can sign it off that way. He is assuming ubuntu did the sync to get the package he fixed21:27
cm-thi, i got a probleme with the touch on my «HP Touchsmart TX2» since an update ~15 days ago ( i just made a fesh install + new /home same pbl happennig after update). i don't know what package doing this, should i report on  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect  or?23:06
micahgcm-t: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection23:07
cm-tby touch i mean touch screen (finger+stylus) + touchpad + usb mouse, it is ok micah23:08
cm-t?23:08
cm-tSomething wrong with usb mouse→ after a time left clic doesn't work (but if i use finger, it re-works for a time)23:08
cm-tWith stylus, the left clic is forced; i can remove stylus from screen clic stay and only finger use or {ESC} will break the clic23:08
cm-t(sorry for my approximativ english)23:09
micahgcm-t: idk, there should be some instruction on that wiki page about what packages are involved23:11
cm-tah didnt saw it was a wiki.   im reading23:11
hggdhwow! my nm-applet is using 190M of real memory!23:51

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