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| aroman | hey all, I'm working on a new app that is currently in alpha right now, but I could really use bugs/support in improving the app's experience. What is the best way to get people interested in this project? It's on launchpad with a PPA right now. | 03:21 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 06:43 |
| pitti | robert_ancell, jasoncwarner1: I'm not that picky about the attendand list; we have other means to ping people | 06:43 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, hello | 06:44 |
| pitti | micahg, RAOF: not sure what you mean about "rate limit", but apport limits the number of crash reports per day per program to at most 2 | 06:44 |
| pitti | hey robert_ancell, how are you? | 06:45 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, good, busy :) | 06:45 |
| RAOF | pitti: Is that at the collection point, or submission point? The problem is that the gpu hook can trigger multiple times a second for a good long while, leaving you with hundreds of stored duplicate reports. | 06:46 |
| micahg | pitti: must be a bug somewhere then, I can get much more than 2, http://paste.ubuntu.com/540921/ | 06:46 |
| RAOF | Also, good morning pitti :) | 06:46 |
| micahg | more than that, but it shows the point sufficiently | 06:47 |
| pitti | RAOF: oh, we don't rate-limit the hooks | 06:48 |
| pitti | just the crashes from segfault/python | 06:48 |
| pitti | RAOF: this needs to get built into that GPU hook indeed; would you mind filing a bug about it and assign it to me? | 06:49 |
| RAOF | pitti: Certainly. | 06:49 |
| RAOF | That'd be filed against x-x-v-intel, right? Where the hook is? | 06:49 |
| RAOF | Also, would you like to give my core-dev application an endorsement, at your leisure? ☺ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisHalseRogers/CoreDevApplication | 06:52 |
| pitti | RAOF: oh, I thought we ship that in apport, but you are right | 06:54 |
| pitti | RAOF: oh, with pleasure! | 06:55 |
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| === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away | ||
| didrocks | good morning | 07:24 |
| RAOF | Howdie didrocks | 07:24 |
| didrocks | hey RAOF, how are you? | 07:25 |
| RAOF | Awwlright. | 07:25 |
| RAOF | A bit tired, but I've bent the X server to my will, which is satisfying. | 07:25 |
| RAOF | How about your fine self? | 07:27 |
| didrocks | sure :) | 07:27 |
| didrocks | yeah I'm fine | 07:27 |
| didrocks | will do a quick unity binary python script today | 07:27 |
| didrocks | that will make people's life soooooo easier | 07:27 |
| didrocks | like "clean my compiz unity config" :) | 07:27 |
| RAOF | Mmm, cleaning | 07:29 |
| mpt | mvo, good morning, I have a riddle for you | 09:52 |
| rickspencer3 | mvo == batman? | 09:56 |
| mvo | hey mpt | 10:01 |
| mvo | rickspencer3: haha | 10:01 |
| mpt | mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/540836/ | 10:07 |
| mpt | mvo, that's USC 1.0 crashing. Is it at all possible that 3.0 could have the same problem? | 10:07 |
| mvo | mpt: the current version will ignore errors like this, probably 2.0 as well. anoying that 1.0 did not, is it common? the fix is trivial and we could SRU it | 10:09 |
| mpt | mvo, I don't know if it's common, someone just asked me on Twitter about it :-) | 10:10 |
| mpt | I guess if we had a crash database we'd know how common it was | 10:16 |
| * mvo nods | 10:16 | |
| mpt | mvo, bug 630248 shows it happening in bug 2.1.14.1, bug 661956 and bug 683626 in 3.0.4, bug 667057 in 3.0.5. | 10:20 |
| ubot2 | mpt: Bug 630248 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/630248 is private | 10:20 |
| ubot2 | mpt: Bug 661956 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/661956 is private | 10:20 |
| ubot2 | mpt: Bug 683626 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/683626 is private | 10:20 |
| ubot2 | mpt: Bug 667057 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/667057 is private | 10:20 |
| mpt | ubot2, no they aren't | 10:20 |
| ubot2 | Factoid "no they aren't" not found | 10:20 |
| mvo | mpt: well, not quite. that is also a bug, but a different one | 10:22 |
| mvo | mpt: let me fix that | 10:23 |
| mvo | mpt: it will only happen if someone changed their locale but did not generate the needed data (that is done automatically when you use language-selector) | 10:23 |
| mvo | hm, bazaar.launchpad.net down :/ ? | 10:24 |
| mpt | Everything's down except the Web interface right now | 10:24 |
| mpt | (that's why ubot2 thought the bugs were read-only) | 10:24 |
| mvo | aha, ok. in this case I will take the time to make a cup of tea | 10:25 |
| mvo | (or a pot) | 10:25 |
| mpt | mvo, I see, all those reported bugs are about apthistory.py as opposed to aptdaemon/client.py | 10:25 |
| mvo | yeah, still thanks for pointing them out, I fix this one | 10:25 |
| mvo | hrm, that is a nasty one actualy, its locale independant code and yet it parses it for no good reason | 10:29 |
| mvo | mpt: bug fixed (modulo that I can not commit it yet) | 10:39 |
| mpt | mvo, the apthistory.py one? | 10:39 |
| mvo | mpt: yes | 10:42 |
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| mpt | mvo, so for the client.py one, would a workaround be to use gnome-language-selector to choose another language, and then to reset to the original language? | 11:00 |
| mpt | (btw it looks like LP is back up) | 11:01 |
| pitti | didrocks: seems unity has an apport hook now, collecting the compiz info; we recently had an email exchange about that, is there still something missing which you'd like to see in unity bugs? | 11:27 |
| pitti | didrocks: (apart from the fact that it should be totally broken right now) | 11:27 |
| pitti | oh, sorry, it isn't broken | 11:27 |
| pitti | the import line is just not necessary at all | 11:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, I did that one | 11:31 |
| seb128 | pitti, I don't think there is anything especially missing, I've some pending tweaks to it though | 11:31 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 11:31 |
| seb128 | np | 11:32 |
| didrocks | pitti: the WI is to improve it, like reporting the specifc unity settings we need | 11:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: ok; please let me know if you have something you'd like to add, but have trouble expressing that in terms of python and apport | 11:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: sure, I'll have a look before the sprint, but it should be ok, maybe adding some questions we will find useful, but i've already done that in python & apport :) | 11:34 |
| didrocks | thanks | 11:34 |
| mvo | mpt: yeah, the workaround for the client (and the others) is to use languageselector to generate the matching locales | 12:01 |
| mpt | ok, thanks mvo | 12:02 |
| mvo | yw | 12:04 |
| asac | mvo: master | 12:10 |
| asac | mvo: hope you are not lagging again | 12:10 |
| asac | update-manager now hung and destroyed my disk ;) | 12:10 |
| asac | j.k. | 12:11 |
| asac | see msg | 12:11 |
| mvo | asac: ha! | 12:11 |
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| nessita | good morning everyone! | 12:30 |
| didrocks | hey nessita, how are you? | 12:33 |
| nessita | pretty good, how are you? | 12:34 |
| didrocks | I'm fine, thanks :) | 12:35 |
| seb128 | hey nessita | 12:37 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - oh, i got your issue today with the doorhanger notification in firefox displaying on all desktops | 12:47 |
| chrisccoulson | i ran xprop on it | 12:47 |
| chrisccoulson | i might need to get the compiz guys to look at it though, as i'm not sure what properties would make it show on all desktops | 12:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, talk to smspillaz | 12:48 |
| chrisccoulson | smspillaz, is there anything about this window that would make it display on all desktops in compiz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/540986/ | 12:48 |
| * smspillaz waits for firefox to open | 12:50 | |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 12:51 |
| chrisccoulson | it should open fast now ;) | 12:51 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: hmm? some natty change that makes it faster? | 12:51 |
| chrisccoulson | if it opens slowly, try killing syncdaemon, that normally works for me | 12:51 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair, yeah, there's a lot of work gone in to improving startup time in firefox, and it opens much quicker now | 12:51 |
| smspillaz | chrisccoulson: is it firefox 4's "give feedback window" | 12:51 |
| smspillaz | ? | 12:51 |
| seb128 | smspillaz, yes | 12:52 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: is it any quicker than firefox 4.0 in the ubuntu-mozilla-daily ppa? | 12:52 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that's the one | 12:52 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair, it shouldn't be | 12:52 |
| smspillaz | maybe that _NET_WINDOW_TYPE_UTILITY along with _NET_WM_ACTION_STICK would do it | 12:52 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: aw. =\ | 12:52 |
| * smspillaz checks ewmh | 12:52 | |
| chrisccoulson | smspillaz, ok, thanks | 12:52 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: and there i was getting my hopes up | 12:52 |
| smspillaz | hyperair: we display certain window types as sticky | 12:52 |
| smspillaz | hyperair: tooltips, utility (I think) | 12:53 |
| hyperair | smspillaz: er what? | 12:53 |
| chrisccoulson | ffox 4 starts here in around 3 seconds to a fully usable browser, with a restored session | 12:53 |
| hyperair | that was random, i think | 12:53 |
| chrisccoulson | but i have to kill syncdaemon to get it to start that quickly | 12:53 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: hmm. well chromium starts instantly. | 12:53 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair, so does ffox with a fresh profile. i'm talking about a full session restore with lots of tabs | 12:53 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: well so was i. for chromium | 12:54 |
| chrisccoulson | chromium just took 4 seconds on my laptop with no tabs :O | 12:54 |
| hyperair | =O | 12:54 |
| hyperair | blasphemy | 12:54 |
| chrisccoulson | ok, i just started ffox and chromium side-by-side (warm start), and there's no noticeable difference tbh | 12:56 |
| hyperair | meh | 12:58 |
| hyperair | firefox takes... 5 secs | 12:58 |
| hyperair | and chrome takes 10.. | 12:58 |
| hyperair | okay, a warm start makes chrome load faster | 12:59 |
| hyperair | but firefox takes 3 seconds to warm start | 12:59 |
| hyperair | maybe it's the plugins and extensions. | 12:59 |
| smspillaz | chrisccoulson: I haven't updated natty in a while, that may be why I am getting the slow starts :p | 13:00 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i need to update at some point | 13:03 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair, yeah, extensions could cause that. i'd be interested if there is a particular extension which makes it slow though | 13:04 |
| chrisccoulson | if there is, then the extension author needs to fix that | 13:04 |
| hyperair | chrisccoulson: probably all combined. | 13:05 |
| smspillaz | didn't someone try and make a compositing window manager with XUL ? | 13:05 |
| smspillaz | I remember seeing a project to do this somwhere | 13:05 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, that's a bit of a strange technology choice for a WM ;) | 13:06 |
| chrisccoulson | hyperair, mozilla are clamping down quite a bit with third-party extensions atm, particularly back-door extensions (ie, those which get installed in system locations by third party application installers without the users permission | 13:09 |
| chrisccoulson | (eg, anti-virus software) | 13:09 |
| chrisccoulson | mozilla bug 596343 | 13:09 |
| ubot2 | Mozilla bug 596343 in General "Users should have exclusive control over selecting their add-ons" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596343 | 13:09 |
| chrisccoulson | there's a plan to disable these extensions on upgrade to ffox4, and give the user a dialog to re-enable the ones they want | 13:09 |
| hyperair | hmm that's interesting | 13:33 |
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| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, i know ff4 feels snappier to me than chromium does, it has improved a lot | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | no stats, just it feels faster to me now | 13:43 |
| kenvandine | but i never install plugins or extensions | 13:43 |
| pitti | oooh | 14:00 |
| pitti | new gir1.0-appindicator-0.1 | 14:00 |
| * pitti hugs kenvandine | 14:00 | |
| kenvandine | hehe... not gtk3 yet though | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | but at least it builds in natty now | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | for multiple python versions too :) | 14:00 |
| kenvandine | i will hopefully get the gtk3 bits done today/tomorrow | 14:01 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 14:04 |
| pitti | kenvandine: thanks anyway! at least it builds again | 14:04 |
| kenvandine | yeah, once i get libindicate building again | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | i'll go back to adding gtk3 to appindicator | 14:05 |
| pitti | kenvandine: I suppose we don't really need a GIR for the gtk2 version, right? | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | nope | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | well | 14:05 |
| pitti | there's still python-appindicator for that | 14:05 |
| pitti | and we shouldn't port to gtk2/gi | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | yeah, for python | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | and we don't really need gir for gtk2 version for anything other than generating the vapi | 14:06 |
| pitti | right, but that can happen during build; we don't need a separate binary package for that or so | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | true, so do you think i should put the gtk3 gir in gir1.0-appindicator-0.1? | 14:07 |
| kenvandine | we had a binary for that in maverick, even though it wasn't useful | 14:07 |
| pitti | for now I think yes | 14:07 |
| pitti | it's an interesting question what happens once we have gtk4 | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | then the package names won't be consistent | 14:08 |
| pitti | but that's hopefully several years away :) | 14:08 |
| mterry | seb128, so what do we need to have happen before we decide to push the GNOME3 control center and its related packages in? what's the blocker on that? More testing, more packages? | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | we'll have libappindicator1 and libappindicator3-1 | 14:08 |
| mterry | pitti, that's only a year away I believe | 14:08 |
| pitti | mterry: uh? | 14:08 |
| mterry | pitti, let me see if I can find the roadmap | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | oh man... i hope we aren't going to be building for gtk2, 3 and 4 :) | 14:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, they want to do the next gtk in one yeat | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | pitti, that is what i heard | 14:09 |
| seb128 | year | 14:09 |
| seb128 | mterry, the issue is to know if GNOME3 will be ready for natty | 14:10 |
| seb128 | like if they will manage to get something stable and we will manage to deal with the changes, updates our patches, deal with things they dropped | 14:10 |
| mterry | seb128, OK, so we're waiting for some number of people to feel like the GNOME3 PPA is solid? | 14:11 |
| seb128 | mterry, right now it seems it could turn into a lot of work for little win | 14:11 |
| seb128 | especially that we don't have the cycle to spend only on that | 14:11 |
| seb128 | we will need to help on unity | 14:11 |
| seb128 | mterry, I think we would be better saying that we keep it in the ppa for natty | 14:12 |
| seb128 | but we will discuss that at the sprint | 14:12 |
| seb128 | or rally rather ;-) | 14:12 |
| kenvandine | seb128, should i use the gnome3 ppa? | 14:12 |
| seb128 | your call | 14:12 |
| kenvandine | would it be useful enough for testing? | 14:12 |
| seb128 | we don't lack testing now | 14:12 |
| mterry | pitti, can't find an official roadmap, but I recall that being the decision after the latest gtk hackfest | 14:12 |
| kenvandine | i have been afraid too... since i have been working on getting things done specifically for natty right now | 14:13 |
| seb128 | we don't need you to use the ppa | 14:13 |
| kenvandine | ok | 14:13 |
| kenvandine | then i won't for now :) | 14:13 |
| seb128 | ok ;-) | 14:13 |
| * bcurtiswx_ waves to room | 14:22 | |
| kklimonda | mvo: what is the status of update-manager-hildon ? python-hildon doesn't build from source, I can't really find a proper site with real tarball releases, 0.9.0 was released in april last year and update-manager-hildon is the only reverse dependency from what I can see. Should I work on fixing the failure or ask to remove python-hildon from archive? | 14:25 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, did we ever hear back to know what to do next for empathy? | 14:26 |
| bcurtiswx_ | kenvandine, ^^ | 14:26 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx_, did you get it built? | 14:26 |
| bcurtiswx_ | kenvandine, no, it was a dh_* error due to nautilus-sendto-empathy iirc | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | oh, right it couldn't include that file | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | i would say just do what debian did for now | 14:27 |
| kenvandine | it would be useful to just get it built somewhere | 14:28 |
| mvo | kklimonda: I kill it | 14:30 |
| mvo | kklimonda: I mean, I kill update-manager-hildon | 14:31 |
| kklimonda | ok | 14:32 |
| bcurtiswx_ | kenvandine, hmm so do we need to change the control file of nautilus-sendto-empathy ? | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | that was in the control file for empathy right? | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | i think debian just commented it all out | 14:36 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, kenvandine: no we don't | 14:40 |
| seb128 | the nautilus in the ppa should be recent enough | 14:40 |
| seb128 | you just need to figure the right build depends | 14:40 |
| seb128 | or to check if the configure needs to be updated | 14:40 |
| seb128 | there is no reason to comment the binary | 14:40 |
| kenvandine | then it is probably just debian/nautilus-sendto-empathy.install | 14:41 |
| kenvandine | that needs to be changed | 14:41 |
| seb128 | either that or a build-depends need to be updated | 14:42 |
| seb128 | what is the configure output? | 14:42 |
| mvo | mpt: I spend a bit of time today on deb-thumbnailer, almost ready | 14:42 |
| seb128 | do you have the build log somewhere? | 14:42 |
| bcurtiswx_ | so the build-dep of nautilus-sendto or just nautilus needs to be there. i got confused when someone said the sendto is now in nautilus | 14:42 |
| seb128 | diff the empathy configure between version | 14:43 |
| seb128 | so you can figure what build-depends need to be updated or added | 14:43 |
| mpt | mvo, cool! | 14:48 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx_, it is very useful to look at the configure.ac in the upstream source | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | to see what packages it checks for and versions | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | so you need to make sure you have build depends for whatever package provides the pkgconfig file for the pkg it checks for | 14:50 |
| bcurtiswx_ | kenvandine, i have done this already. My earlier issue (which I think caused a lot of these issues) is that when I try to install nautilus-sendto right now (with the GNOME3 PPA) it tries uninstalling the rest of nautilus | 14:52 |
| bcurtiswx_ | it won't let me install nautilus-sendto | 14:52 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, nautilus-sendto is deprecated | 14:53 |
| seb128 | it's part of nautilus | 14:53 |
| seb128 | just install nautilus from the ppa and you get it | 14:53 |
| bcurtiswx_ | so when nautilus-sendto is required by empathy what am I supposed to do ? | 14:53 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, ^^ | 14:53 |
| seb128 | did you ask cassidy? | 14:54 |
| cassidy | seb128, we still need to depend on nautilus-sendto, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=636377 | 14:54 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 636377 in General "Bump nautilus dep to >2.91.1 as -sendto is now in-tree" [Normal,Resolved: notabug] | 14:54 |
| bcurtiswx_ | I'm completely lost on what to do next | 14:55 |
| seb128 | cassidy, but I though there was no nautilus-sendto in 2.91? | 14:56 |
| cassidy | the helper lib is still in a separated module I think | 14:56 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, ok, so comment the binary and drop the .install | 14:57 |
| seb128 | what debian did | 14:57 |
| bcurtiswx_ | cassidy, seb128. the .install file has usr/lib/nautilus-sendto/plugins/libnstempathy.so .. the directory exists.. but no .so file | 14:58 |
| seb128 | drop the .install | 15:00 |
| seb128 | not sure what GNOME3 is supposed to do with that | 15:00 |
| seb128 | but if the .so is not there comment the binary for now | 15:00 |
| bcurtiswx_ | OK | 15:00 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, what might be looking for the nautilus-sendto-empathy.install because i can't find it anywhere and I can't build because of it | 15:08 |
| seb128 | did you read the debian diff I pointed yesterday? | 15:09 |
| seb128 | comment the binary in the control.in | 15:09 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, im sorry. i don't see a control.in | 15:13 |
| seb128 | so control | 15:13 |
| seb128 | in the debian dir | 15:13 |
| bcurtiswx_ | yes | 15:13 |
| seb128 | the file which has the build-depends, depends, binaries etc | 15:13 |
| seb128 | comment the sendtoone | 15:13 |
| seb128 | one | 15:13 |
| bcurtiswx_ | yes.. i already commented that out.. still looking for a nautilius-sendto-empathy.install | 15:14 |
| seb128 | grep nautilius-sendto-empathy debian | 15:15 |
| seb128 | grep for nautilus-sendto in the debian dir files | 15:15 |
| seb128 | mterry, hey, could you resync libcanberra on debian? | 15:16 |
| mterry | seb128, sur | 15:16 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:16 |
| seb128 | they got the gtk3 version in experimental | 15:17 |
| seb128 | so we should make sure we use same naming etc than they do | 15:17 |
| seb128 | mterry, if you want to do gobject-introspection as well you are welcome ;-) | 15:18 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, yes i've done that and everything is commented out.. with the # | 15:18 |
| bcurtiswx_ | unless # isn't a comment in a control file | 15:18 |
| mterry | seb128, we'll see, but probably | 15:19 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 15:19 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, how do you build? | 15:19 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, can you push you work somewhere? | 15:19 |
| bcurtiswx_ | bzr bd | 15:19 |
| bcurtiswx_ | yes i will push it if this one last thing doesn't work | 15:19 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.91.3 | 15:22 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, thanks | 15:23 |
| === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf | ||
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, what error do you get during the build? | 15:26 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, well now nothing.. apparently i don't know that a commit is required before a bzr bd ? | 15:26 |
| seb128 | it should not be required | 15:27 |
| bcurtiswx_ | well it wasn't working before.. but all of the sudden it is.. afte ri committed | 15:27 |
| seb128 | weird | 15:27 |
| bcurtiswx_ | i feel like a retarded kid.. but /me shrugs | 15:28 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, that built fine | 15:38 |
| seb128 | great | 15:39 |
| bcurtiswx_ | but | 15:40 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 3 symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported | 15:41 |
| bcurtiswx_ | when running ^^ | 15:41 |
| seb128 | no clue why it could do that | 15:42 |
| bcurtiswx_ | kenvandine, have you see that before ^^ | 15:42 |
| seb128 | well it means it loads gtk2 code | 15:42 |
| seb128 | dunno why though | 15:42 |
| seb128 | cassidy, ^ do you have any clue? | 15:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems the launchpad update broke the retracers :-( | 15:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, they are hanging | 15:42 |
| pitti | seb128: again? I restarted them about an hour ago | 15:43 |
| pitti | *sigh* | 15:43 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, could it be the patches? some worked but none have been converted to GTK3 | 15:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, well they seem to be stucked | 15:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, I killed them manually an hour ago because they were stucked for an hour | 15:43 |
| cassidy | seb128, empathy is linked on both GTK ? | 15:43 |
| seb128 | with nothing in the logs | 15:43 |
| jcastro | seb128: gtkmm blog queued up, I am waiting for my blog service to fix RSS feeds so it'll come tomorrow or something. | 15:43 |
| seb128 | cassidy, well, it could be that it loads a .so or something | 15:43 |
| seb128 | jcastro, ok thanks! | 15:43 |
| cassidy | the control center maybe ? | 15:43 |
| jcastro | kklimonda: nice work on gtkmm, I know the stack's been frustrating for upstream over the years | 15:44 |
| cassidy | empathy itself shouldn't link on GTK2 any more | 15:44 |
| seb128 | cassidy, ok thanks, I've an idea I think | 15:44 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, the lpi patch needs to use the gtk3 version of lpi | 15:44 |
| kenvandine | so dh_python is now preferred over pysupport right? | 15:45 |
| seb128 | pitti, do you have some time to investigate the retracer issue or should I try to do that? | 15:45 |
| kklimonda | jcastro: hopefully we can get it into shape (and keep it that way) this cycle. | 15:45 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm currently fighting with OpenOffice; I can try tomorrow morning | 15:45 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, I will just run a retracing manually to see what's going on exactly | 15:46 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 15:46 |
| seb128 | np | 15:46 |
| pitti | seb128: do the dup checker, it's easier | 15:46 |
| pitti | requires no chroot | 15:46 |
| seb128 | right | 15:46 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, what's the gtk3 version of lpi ? | 15:47 |
| kenvandine | seb128, pitti: dh_python is preferred over pysupport right? | 15:47 |
| * kenvandine can never keep up with that :) | 15:47 | |
| seb128 | kenvandine,you should ask to doko or barry | 15:47 |
| pitti | kenvandine: dh_python{2,3} are the most preferred now | 15:47 |
| seb128 | I'm not uptodate on python packaging preferred ways | 15:48 |
| pitti | they don't need any extra build deps | 15:48 |
| kenvandine | wondering if i should change libindicate and appindicator while i am messing with them | 15:48 |
| pitti | and work just fine | 15:48 |
| pitti | should be a simple change | 15:48 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_: liblaunchpad-integration | 15:48 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, the library has gtk2 and gtk3 versions | 15:48 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, you need the one with a -3 in the name | 15:48 |
| seb128 | same of the configure check | 15:48 |
| seb128 | you need to check for the gtk3 one | 15:49 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, launchpad-integration-3.0 | 15:49 |
| seb128 | in the lpi configure patch | 15:49 |
| seb128 | rather than "launchpad-integration" | 15:49 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, OK is the .h file needing the -3.0 as well ? | 15:49 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, no | 15:50 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, it's in a different directory but the pkg-config call handle that | 15:50 |
| bcurtiswx_ | OK building again | 15:51 |
| bcurtiswx_ | seb128, says launchpad-integration-3.0 doesn't exist, is it in the GNOME3 PPA ? | 15:52 |
| seb128 | it's in natty | 15:52 |
| seb128 | you don't make lot of efforts before asking do you ;-) | 15:53 |
| seb128 | run apt-cache search launchpad integration gtk 3 | 15:53 |
| bcurtiswx_ | ugh, i do... sorry for apparently being lazy | 15:53 |
| jcastro | Laney: we still waiting on MIR stuff? | 15:55 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, no worry | 15:56 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, install liblaunchpad-integration-3.0-dev | 15:56 |
| seb128 | bcurtiswx_, it's the gtk3 version | 15:56 |
| seb128 | you need to update the build-depends as well | 15:56 |
| kenvandine | and change the patch | 15:57 |
| bcurtiswx_ | admittedly, there's a lot i need to learn.. stuff that may come quick and naturally to a lot of you.. I am sorry for appearing certain ways, but I can only say that I'm learning and please bear with me | 15:57 |
| kenvandine | to check, the part of the patch that changes configure.ac, make it check for launchpad-integration-3.0 instead of launchpad-integration | 15:58 |
| kenvandine | bcurtiswx_, ^^ | 15:58 |
| bcurtiswx_ | kenvandine, thanks. I've taken care of the 01_lpi.patch fix.. should I put a version on the -3.0 dep or leave one off ? | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | if it didn't have it before, just leave it off | 16:02 |
| bcurtiswx_ | kenvandine, it did before. | 16:02 |
| bcurtiswx_ | i'll just take the old version off, leave it as none for now | 16:05 |
| kenvandine | ok, libindicate transition to dh_python2 was quite painless, maybe i'll do appindicator for good measure | 16:08 |
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, no ted | 16:10 |
| chrisccoulson | does anyone know if libdbusmenu-gtk is going to be using gtk2 or gtk3? | 16:11 |
| chrisccoulson | (or will there be 2 versions?) | 16:11 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - not sure if you know the answer to that? :) | 16:11 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, both versions | 16:11 |
| seb128 | it's pending upload, kenvandine has it ready | 16:11 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - ok, thanks. so, it's safe for me to use in ffox :) | 16:11 |
| kenvandine | speak of the devil :) | 16:12 |
| chrisccoulson | i was just thinking the same thing! | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | tedg, how is the gdbus branch of dbusmenu looking? | 16:13 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you mean you don't plan to use gtk3 in firefox?! ;-) | 16:13 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - no, i think i'll leave that one for now ;) | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, fun weekend project :) | 16:14 |
| chrisccoulson | i might give it a try if i get bored ;) | 16:14 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, you start being lazy I see ;-) | 16:14 |
| chrisccoulson | perhaps over the christmas break ;) | 16:15 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:15 |
| seb128 | you first refused to take over libreoffice and now that... | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | i hear pitti is doing libreoffice now anyway | 16:15 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 16:16 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:16 |
| * pitti slaps chrisccoulson | 16:16 | |
| tedg | kenvandine, Looking pretty good. I have libappindicator building with it now -- fixed some pkgconfig errors. | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 16:16 |
| kenvandine | chrisccoulson, just because you are doing firefox gtk3 :) | 16:16 |
| tedg | kenvandine, So I'm getting relatively happy :) | 16:16 |
| seb128 | I've the feeling chrisccoulson would still prefer porting firefox ;-) | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | oh yes! | 16:16 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 16:16 |
| pitti | so would I :) | 16:16 |
| * kenvandine is a bit annoyed... no problem getting dh_autoreconf working with libindicate doing multiple python versions | 16:17 | |
| kenvandine | but it wouldn't work for anything in appindicator! | 16:17 |
| pitti | kenvandine: you are doing multiple build trees? but that should be done after autoreconf, no? | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | but it was causing make to re-run configure | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | and getting the flags wrong or something | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | it isn't doing that in libindicate | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | no clue why | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | but i spent way too much time trying to make that work in appindicator | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | it would configure again and get the wrong python version | 16:19 |
| pitti | strange; even if it's re-running configure it usually remembers the options | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | it isn't an option | 16:20 |
| pitti | but perhaps not the env? | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | PYTHON=build-$* $(DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT) $(DEB_CONFIGURE_NORMAL_ARGS) $(DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS) | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | so make did a re-check and would configure again with the default python version | 16:21 |
| pitti | that looks funny | 16:21 |
| pitti | shouldn't that be PYTHON=python$(version) or so? | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | whoops | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | PYTHON=$* | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | anyway, it gets it from the env | 16:21 |
| pitti | kenvandine: do you have the current state in bzr somewhere? | 16:22 |
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| kenvandine | yeah | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | i uploaded it :) | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | i can try to add it back to see what happens | 16:22 |
| kenvandine | i changed lots of things since though | 16:23 |
| pitti | kenvandine: which source package is that? | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | indicator-application | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | i added it back and we'll see what happens | 16:24 |
| kenvandine | i fixed other build issues since | 16:25 |
| kenvandine | ok... it works now | 16:26 |
| pitti | kenvandine: hm, I don't see any autoreconf in debian/rules | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | i guess dropping it got me far enough to fix other problems... which must have been triggering that | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | oh... no, i had dropped it | 16:26 |
| kenvandine | because i couldn't get it to work | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | it was building for both 2.6 and 2.7 targets for python 2.6 | 16:27 |
| pitti | kenvandine: why do we need it in the first place? we have no patches | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | we did | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | i had ted roll a release | 16:27 |
| pitti | ah | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | which we needed anyway | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | but it was driving me nuts when i was trying to patch it :) | 16:27 |
| kenvandine | must have been an ordering problem of some sort | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | touching some file causing it to reconfigure | 16:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, did you talk to mterry? | 16:36 |
| seb128 | he fixed some similar issues recently IIRC | 16:36 |
| kenvandine | nope | 16:37 |
| kenvandine | it seems fine now | 16:37 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:37 |
| mterry | kenvandine, yeah, I did fix a problem where 2.7 was installing as python2.6. If you see it again, I know how to fix | 16:37 |
| kenvandine | now i have libindicate ready to upload... and it needs the newer dbusmenu... which isn't ready | 16:37 |
| kenvandine | mterry, great | 16:38 |
| mpt_ | kenvandine, hi, I have a Gwibber question | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - do you want me to do the change to dbusmenu to hook up the AboutToShow signal? | 16:44 |
| mpt_ | kenvandine, is there a way for some other program to get the subset of Gwibber's list of accounts for which it makes sense to post text? | 16:44 |
| mpt_ | kenvandine, e.g. Twitter and StatusNet and Identica and Jaiku but not Flickr or Digg | 16:45 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson, If you'd like that'd be great -- it's on my TODO list and I expect to get to it today or tomorrow -- but I always love help :) | 16:45 |
| kenvandine | mpt_, yes | 16:46 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - cool. if i get to the point where i can start to build the ffox extension, then i'll do the change in dbusmenu too :) | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | libgwibber provides an api for that | 16:46 |
| chrisccoulson | not sure if that will be today or tomorrow though | 16:46 |
| kenvandine | mpt_, indicator-me does that now | 16:46 |
| mpt_ | kenvandine, is there an online reference anywhere? | 16:47 |
| mpt_ | for the API | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | no... sorry | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | and the generated docs are terrible | 16:47 |
| mpt_ | ok | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | i haven't figured out how to properly annotate the vala code so the docs get translated to C | 16:48 |
| mpt_ | kenvandine, one more question: Can Gwibber also tell the program what the character limit is for each account? | 16:48 |
| mpt_ | e.g. 140 for Twitter/Identica, 1000 for Facebook | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | not yet, but that is on my todo list | 16:48 |
| mpt_ | ok, thank you | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | right now gwibber hard codes the limit to 140 for everything | 16:48 |
| kenvandine | but i am making it per service, and the posting widget will allow you to post up to the limit of the lowest selected account | 16:49 |
| mpt_ | ok, I'm not using the posting widget | 16:49 |
| kenvandine | so if only facebook is selected you can post up to 500ish characters, but if you are posting to twitter and facebook it will limit it to 140 | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | ok, well there will be an API to provide that :) | 16:50 |
| mpt_ | but a checkbox "[/] Also post this review to: [Twitter (@mpt) :^] | 16:50 |
| kenvandine | nice | 16:50 |
| mvo | didrocks: hi, is com.canonical.Unity.Panel.Service trigger dbus-activate enabled, i.e. is it save for me in software-center to ping this interface without triggering a strart of it? | 17:02 |
| mvo | didrocks: to see if unity is active in the current session? | 17:02 |
| didrocks | mvo: it is dbus activated | 17:03 |
| mvo | hrm, ok | 17:03 |
| didrocks | mvo: still need a respawn though, so don't rely on events right now :) | 17:04 |
| mvo | I just need to remember now how to test the bus without triggering the activation | 17:04 |
| didrocks | mvo: yeah, sounds the best way to know if unity is there or not :) | 17:05 |
| mvo | thanks didrocks, I will ponder about it over dinner | 17:06 |
| didrocks | mvo: yw | 17:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, no luck with the retracers | 17:11 |
| pitti | no luck with OO.o either *sigh* | 17:11 |
| seb128 | the dup checking queue is empty | 17:11 |
| seb128 | I tried in a retracer to run it manually on a bug | 17:11 |
| seb128 | but the --auth=... doesn't seem to work | 17:11 |
| seb128 | it wants to do the "start a webbrowser" thing | 17:11 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if retracing hangs on that as well | 17:12 |
| seb128 | do we need an updated token? | 17:12 |
| mvo | didrocks: bus.name_has_owner() was what should not activate it, fortunately my memory is just slow not faulty | 17:16 |
| didrocks | mvo: oh nice, I didn't know that one. Ok updating that in my head when someone will ask me "can we detect if unity is launched or not" :) | 17:17 |
| didrocks | mvo: there will be false positive on --replace, but well… | 17:17 |
| mvo | oh, because it keeps running? | 17:18 |
| mvo | well, bad luck ;) | 17:18 |
| didrocks | mvo: yeah :) | 17:19 |
| seb128 | we need to have a standard code snippet to detect if unity is running somewhere | 17:19 |
| seb128 | or unity to get a UnityRunning() method on dbus | 17:20 |
| didrocks | mvo: what you really want is asking compiz if the plugin is loading or not (and if compiz is running first…) | 17:20 |
| seb128 | we will have to do such checks in several applications it seems | 17:20 |
| seb128 | didrocks, could unity have a method on dbus for that? | 17:20 |
| didrocks | seb128: that's a nice idea and can be easy I think | 17:21 |
| seb128 | so we would just have to use that from clients... | 17:21 |
| didrocks | seb128: will file a bug? or do what to file it? | 17:21 |
| didrocks | then, that's totally a thing our team can deal with | 17:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I will file a bug and let you know | 17:21 |
| seb128 | so we can add it to the contributors list | 17:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: exactly :) | 17:22 |
| didrocks | mvo: seb128: neat idea on this, it just need to be in the unity compiz plugin. Thanks! :) | 17:22 |
| seb128 | thank you ;-) | 17:23 |
| mterry | seb128, let's say a library changed names from foo1.0-1 to foo-1.0-1. If I just do provides/conflicts/replaces, will that cause a build failure for other packages because now foo1.0-1 is only virtual, or does that get handled correctly? (i.e. do I need a dummy transitional package?) | 17:23 |
| seb128 | mterry, I guess it's for gir? | 17:23 |
| mterry | seb128, yeah libgirepository | 17:23 |
| seb128 | mterry, c;p;r is enough | 17:24 |
| seb128 | the virtual will works if the requirement are not versioned | 17:24 |
| mterry | seb128, so if there is a versioned depends (which seems not unlikely, I'll check), I'd break builds unless I do a transitional package? | 17:24 |
| seb128 | mterry, there is like 6 rdepends | 17:24 |
| seb128 | we don't add dummy binaries for small numbers | 17:25 |
| seb128 | we just do the 6 rebuilds | 17:25 |
| mterry | seb128, OK, will start doing rebuilds then :) | 17:25 |
| mterry | seb128, so answer was need transitional package for large numbers of versioned depends, else don't bother | 17:25 |
| seb128 | mterry, the depends are versioned | 17:25 |
| seb128 | there was a shlibs on the lib | 17:25 |
| seb128 | mterry, yes | 17:26 |
| mterry | seb128, oh right, because it would also break upgrades, not just builds | 17:26 |
| seb128 | mterry, right, the builds will likely not break | 17:28 |
| seb128 | only the runtime lib has been renamed | 17:28 |
| seb128 | we probably just need a no change upload for those rdepends to pick the new depends | 17:28 |
| mterry | seb128, gp, builds would point right at -dev | 17:28 |
| pitti | good night everyone! | 17:42 |
| didrocks | have a good evening pitti | 17:43 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 17:46 |
| mterry | seb128, son of a ... I don't have upload rights to libcanberra or gobject-introspection. can you push for me? Both are in bzr | 17:54 |
| johanbr | has anyone tried to compile the gnome-shell 2.91.3 tarball? after fixing a bunch of missing includes, compilation finally breaks with "st/st-texture-cache.c:270: error: 'GdkRGBA' undeclared (first use in this function)" | 17:57 |
| micahg | johanbr: I started on it, but didn't get too far | 17:58 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok | 17:58 |
| * mterry starts thinking more seriously about core-dev | 17:58 | |
| johanbr | micahg, alright, thank you... I'll see if I can get it to compile | 17:59 |
| micahg | johanbr: I probably won't have time until the weekend to get it working | 17:59 |
| seb128 | johanbr, do you use natty or the gnome3 ppa builds? | 18:02 |
| johanbr | natty | 18:03 |
| seb128 | ok, not sure how well it will work on natty | 18:03 |
| seb128 | you might get closer with the ppa | 18:03 |
| johanbr | alright, I'll give that a try if natty doesn't work | 18:03 |
| johanbr | thank you | 18:03 |
| milanbv | johanbr: I guess you need the latest GTK 3 (2.91.6) | 18:12 |
| johanbr | milanbv, ahh... that might be a problem | 18:12 |
| milanbv | OTOH GdkRGBA seems to have been present for several releases... | 18:14 |
| didrocks | ok, time for some sport and dinner, see you tomorrow guys! | 18:18 |
| milanbv | johanbr: does the file include gtk/gtk.h? | 18:19 |
| johanbr | you mean the one where compilation breaks? yes | 18:20 |
| johanbr | but I think that was a case of it finding the 2.0 gtk/gtk.h file | 18:21 |
| johanbr | anyway, got it to compile now, but linking breaks... will have a look at that later | 18:22 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, there? | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yup | 18:22 |
| kenvandine | working with tedg to try to get things to land linked to the right libs | 18:23 |
| seb128 | great | 18:23 |
| kenvandine | seb128, what's up? | 18:23 |
| kenvandine | i am finding what is breaking on my laptop :) | 18:23 |
| kenvandine | good times | 18:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, did you send your gdk-pixbuf vala gir patch upstream yet? | 18:24 |
| kenvandine | not for that one, no | 18:24 |
| kenvandine | not sure if it is worthy of merging | 18:24 |
| kenvandine | since it is for 2.x | 18:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hum, ok, it's the only diff we have with debian on this source | 18:25 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, we could sync if we didn't have the patch, but it's a detail | 18:25 |
| kenvandine | i think it will end up only being temporary | 18:25 |
| seb128 | ok, thanks | 18:25 |
| kenvandine | once the GIR stuff stabilizes, in theory we won't need it | 18:25 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do you need any help for landing or testing ted's libs? | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | same for the patch against gtk2, i only submitted it for gtk3 | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | seb128, nah | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | i am mostly blocked on him | 18:26 |
| seb128 | ok | 18:26 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks! | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | the suck now is libindicate FTBFS, and the fix won't build without a dbusmenu rebuild | 18:26 |
| kenvandine | but dbusmenu FTBFS without the new version | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | gi-repository versioning | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | ugh ugh ugh | 18:27 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'll be out for a bit this afternoon in case anyone is looking for me... taking a late lunch that will likely be longer than usual | 18:28 |
| kenvandine | but i'll be back | 18:28 |
| kenvandine | leaving in about 30m | 18:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok | 18:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, " but dbusmenu FTBFS without the new version" | 18:29 |
| seb128 | can you explain? | 18:29 |
| kenvandine | seb128, oh... and more fun, tedg split indicator-application and appindicator into two sources, so with the gdbus branch landing we'll have some NEW'ing to do | 18:29 |
| seb128 | do we have a circular depends? | 18:29 |
| kenvandine | the current dbusmenu won't build | 18:29 |
| kenvandine | because of GI changes | 18:29 |
| seb128 | NEWing is not an issue | 18:29 |
| seb128 | well, let's land the new version? | 18:29 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 18:29 |
| kenvandine | but libindicate won't build against the version in the archive because has gi-repository version of 1.1 | 18:29 |
| kenvandine | and it needs 1.2 for g-ir-scanner | 18:30 |
| kenvandine | dbusmenu is being reviewed for merging in trunk, i think | 18:30 |
| kenvandine | i have the branch with packaging so i can prepare | 18:30 |
| seb128 | ok | 18:30 |
| kenvandine | will do that after i get back, so we are positioned to rapidly upload stuff when the floodgates open :) | 18:31 |
| seb128 | seems the way forward is to get the new libdbusmenu to land | 18:31 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 18:31 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 18:31 |
| seb128 | let me know if I can be useful | 18:31 |
| kenvandine | and i think tedg said that was like a 7900 line diff | 18:31 |
| seb128 | or drop me an email if I'm off for today | 18:31 |
| kenvandine | so reviewing is taking time | 18:31 |
| kenvandine | will do | 18:31 |
| kenvandine | tedg, any chance that will land today? | 18:31 |
| seb128 | ok | 18:39 |
| seb128 | do we we someone interested by updating xchat-gnome to a git version? | 18:40 |
| seb128 | or gnome-pilot to the current stable | 18:40 |
| seb128 | or sound-juicer? | 18:41 |
| seb128 | seems contributors tasks for people who want to do something | 18:41 |
| seb128 | let a comment on the channel if interested ;-) | 18:41 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey, do you know if debian is going to update gnome-sharp2 to 2.24.2? | 18:43 |
| seb128 | Laney, or mono-addins to 0.5 | 18:44 |
| seb128 | mterry, is there anything stopping to land the new vte in natty? | 18:45 |
| mterry | seb128, uh, no? | 18:46 |
| mterry | seb128, I cleared up issues of package naming with the debian folk | 18:46 |
| mterry | seb128, except I have to implement one packaging change on top of what the PPA has before it hits natty | 18:46 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok, no hurry but seems one of the updates than we could land in natty | 18:47 |
| mterry | seb128, sure | 18:48 |
| seb128 | I'm trying to clean http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html ;-) | 18:48 |
| asac | pitti: hey | 19:17 |
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| chrisccoulson | tedg - oh, i sort-of need a menu-closed event in firefox too ;) | 20:08 |
| chrisccoulson | although i can perhaps work around that | 20:09 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson, Just to be curious, why? What do they use that for? | 20:09 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - each menuitem in the DOM has an "open" attribute | 20:09 |
| chrisccoulson | which is public, so i've no idea what's using that | 20:09 |
| chrisccoulson | sorry, i meant each menu rather than menuitem | 20:10 |
| chrisccoulson | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/XUL/menu | 20:10 |
| tedg | Yeah, if it exists, you can pretty much assume that someone is using it for something stupid :) | 20:11 |
| chrisccoulson | i was thinking i could probably just reset the attribute when you activate a child menuitem, or open another menu | 20:11 |
| chrisccoulson | but then there would be a corner case where the user opens a menu and then just closes it again | 20:12 |
| tedg | chrisccoulson, Yup, it would be interesting to see who uses it. There might be use-case we're missing and should handle more eloquently. | 20:32 |
| tedg | Or it just might be crap code that uses it ;) | 20:32 |
| chrisccoulson | tedg - hmmm, it's used in a few places in ffox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541138/ | 20:34 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey | 21:57 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey | 21:57 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, how are you? | 21:58 |
| robert_ancell | good, busy :) | 21:58 |
| seb128 | hehe | 21:58 |
| seb128 | what are you working on recently? | 21:58 |
| seb128 | GNOME3 in the ppa still? | 21:58 |
| robert_ancell | yes, we're mostly up to date wifth the stable stuf | 21:59 |
| robert_ancell | Been sending a lot of patches upstream for build failures | 22:00 |
| seb128 | nice | 22:00 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, are you having any gdm issues? | 22:01 |
| robert_ancell | I notice it just upgraded | 22:01 |
| seb128 | I didn't update to 2.32 yet | 22:01 |
| seb128 | it's pitti who did the update | 22:01 |
| robert_ancell | there may be a problem there, I'm running lightdm at the moment as I couldn't log in... | 22:02 |
| seb128 | we got a bug saying that "enter" is not working to select the default user | 22:02 |
| robert_ancell | I was just going to ask you if you knew of any reason to not upgrade - I was wary of doing it | 22:02 |
| seb128 | but otherwise nobody complained | 22:02 |
| robert_ancell | When I log in, it returns immediately to the login screen | 22:02 |
| seb128 | seems gnome-session is crashing? | 22:02 |
| seb128 | it could be the changes didrocks do | 22:03 |
| seb128 | the standard session is unity now | 22:03 |
| robert_ancell | yeah, I was thinking that or compiz, but the logs don't say anything interesting | 22:03 |
| seb128 | there is a "classic" session as well | 22:03 |
| seb128 | which is old GNOME | 22:03 |
| seb128 | but quite some people got bitten by custom compiz configs | 22:03 |
| robert_ancell | that's what I'm running now. Unity doesn't work in LightDM properly, haven't worked out why | 22:03 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, so is compiz supposed to be running the gconf backend or the keyfile one? | 22:04 |
| seb128 | did you try to start a session for a new user? | 22:04 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, gconf | 22:04 |
| robert_ancell | not yet | 22:04 |
| seb128 | you should perhaps rm .config/compîz-1 | 22:05 |
| seb128 | unset /apps/compiz-1 in gconf | 22:05 |
| seb128 | unset /apps/compizconfig-1 in gconf as well | 22:05 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, will do that | 22:05 |
| seb128 | default is compiz with unity activated using gconf | 22:05 |
| seb128 | no gnome-panel | 22:05 |
| seb128 | the "classic" session is normal compiz and gnome-panel | 22:06 |
| robert_ancell | when it breaks I miss it, so I think that means it's better | 22:06 |
| seb128 | what? unity? ;-) | 22:06 |
| robert_ancell | yes | 22:06 |
| seb128 | check COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE also | 22:07 |
| robert_ancell | env variable? | 22:07 |
| seb128 | it should be set to "ubuntu" in the unity session | 22:07 |
| seb128 | yes | 22:07 |
| seb128 | see /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session | 22:07 |
| seb128 | that's the unity profile | 22:07 |
| TheMuso | I have to switch to the user login window with latest gdm, but the classic session is working fine here. | 22:07 |
| robert_ancell | The upgrade seems very unstable, but didrocks is working on that right? | 22:08 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, how unstable? | 22:09 |
| seb128 | like people getting screwed sessions? | 22:09 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, these previous configuration issues | 22:09 |
| seb128 | I think it's people who activated and desactivated unity manually in ccsm | 22:09 |
| robert_ancell | but it's hard to tell, because I upgraded early, and video has been pretty unstable for me the last month | 22:09 |
| seb128 | not sure how much can be migrated without breaking the "preserve user config" | 22:09 |
| seb128 | that's why we have a new profile | 22:10 |
| robert_ancell | surely the unity profile will ... | 22:10 |
| robert_ancell | right, I was just about to say that | 22:10 |
| seb128 | it's just that people who upgraded during the time the migration was still buggy got a buggy new profile | 22:10 |
| seb128 | not sure it would still affect people coming from maverick | 22:10 |
| seb128 | or just people who have been running natty early enough to migrate at a buggy time | 22:11 |
| seb128 | we will need to test that for sure | 22:11 |
| seb128 | but didrocks thinks the migration should be mostly ok now | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, are you talking with the Debian guys about the GNOME3 packaging much? I hope all the work we're putting into the PPA will be used by Debian, and we're not going to have a bunch of difficult merges coming up | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | Is there more we should be doing to raise visibility with Debian? | 22:12 |
| seb128 | I pinged them on #debian-gnome the other day | 22:12 |
| seb128 | I gave them the ppa url | 22:12 |
| seb128 | told them to check with me before starting on update or at least to check what we did | 22:13 |
| seb128 | so we don't duplicate work | 22:13 |
| robert_ancell | ok, good | 22:13 |
| seb128 | I will try to commit some of the work we did in their svn | 22:13 |
| seb128 | or maybe just dump most there | 22:13 |
| seb128 | so they can't ignore it :p | 22:13 |
| seb128 | I've been sending to debdiff to the bts already recently | 22:13 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, a good one to do is gtk-engines, because it appeared they hadn't done that yet | 22:13 |
| seb128 | I was not sure what to work on to be honest | 22:13 |
| seb128 | GNOME in natty is mostly uptodate | 22:15 |
| seb128 | GNOME3 is not really something that needs to land now | 22:15 |
| seb128 | ideally we should start hacking on unity | 22:15 |
| robert_ancell | agreed, I think it's pretty clear now we're not going to have any GNOME3 apps in natty | 22:16 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, well, we could have some | 22:16 |
| seb128 | gnome-utils | 22:16 |
| seb128 | gnome-games | 22:16 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, just minor ones | 22:16 |
| seb128 | gcalctool | 22:16 |
| seb128 | then perhaps anjuta | 22:17 |
| micahg | gnome-shell? | 22:17 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, not even gnome-games, we still haven't ported all the games to GTK3 | 22:17 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, I think we can't due to gnome-session | 22:17 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, well at least it doesn't bring other components in | 22:17 |
| robert_ancell | (but it can be in the PPA) | 22:17 |
| seb128 | micahg, no, I think it's for the ppa | 22:17 |
| seb128 | it will need lot of updated components for their indicators and integration | 22:17 |
| seb128 | they are patching different sources to provides infos on dbus they can use | 22:17 |
| chrisccoulson | hi robert_ancell! what are your plans for yelp btw? i see you updated the build-depends in the last upload to make it work | 22:18 |
| robert_ancell | The good news with the PPA is we've done most of the hard work, so it shouldn't be too hard to keep it up to date. | 22:18 |
| micahg | seb128: oh, hmm, so the distro version will be unusable then? or I'll just have to fix it to work with the gnome 2.x libs | 22:18 |
| chrisccoulson | if we're keeping the current version, then i need to fix it ;) | 22:18 |
| seb128 | micahg, I think we should remove the universe version and just have it in the ppa with GNOME3 | 22:18 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ^ | 22:18 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, right | 22:19 |
| chrisccoulson | gnome-shell? | 22:19 |
| seb128 | yes | 22:19 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, yes, thanks for that! I updated to the latest stable when you did that. I want the next one, but I need to get a webkit package working. Been talking with Debian a little about that, they want the package to build both gtk2 and gtk3 binaries, which is a huge pain in the arse. | 22:19 |
| seb128 | does anybody has a natty pbuilder? | 22:19 |
| chrisccoulson | i haven't set up one yet | 22:19 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yes | 22:19 |
| micahg | seb128: well, since we're not jumping to GNOME 3 yet, I think we can get away with it | 22:19 |
| TheMuso | I have a natty sbuild. | 22:19 |
| micahg | seb128: I have one | 22:20 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, can you run apt-get update and try to install the build-depends for rhythmbox? | 22:20 |
| seb128 | or micahg or TheMuso | 22:20 |
| seb128 | just trying to figure what makes the rhythmbox upload fail to build | 22:20 |
| TheMuso | sure just a sec. | 22:20 |
| chrisccoulson | robert_ancell, so, we're still hopeful for getting the webkit version later in the cycle? | 22:20 |
| robert_ancell | chrisccoulson, yes, it's just going to take a little time | 22:20 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, can we downgrade it to the gtk2 stack? | 22:20 |
| seb128 | I think pitti is going to kill you if you try to get a second webkit build on the CD ;-) | 22:21 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks, i'll leave that one off my list for now then | 22:21 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, it would probably be hard. | 22:21 |
| seb128 | hum | 22:21 |
| seb128 | so for next cycle as well I guess... | 22:21 |
| micahg | seb128: I think it's expected ATM | 22:21 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, what do they use from gtk3? | 22:21 |
| seb128 | micahg, <doko> seb128: any idea about the uninstallability of the thythmbox build dependencies? | 22:21 |
| TheMuso | hrm schroot is complaining about something here, gotta fix that up first. | 22:22 |
| seb128 | micahg, still I think dodo would like to not what to unblock | 22:22 |
| seb128 | if you are speaking about rb | 22:22 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, but I don't know, it's worth investigating. Yelp is the only package that has a compelling reason to upgrade. I'll have a look. We'll still have to get any other Webkit packages to upgrade to the latest version though | 22:22 |
| micahg | seb128: no, second webkit | 22:22 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 22:22 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, well you say it's probably hard but you don't know ;-) | 22:23 |
| seb128 | it could be just patching the configure to check for gtk2 | 22:23 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, first I was thinking that webkit would need patching, but it's supposed to compile with GTK2. But I've looked at other packages, and the patches aren't trivial | 22:23 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, no, because there are a number of important API changes | 22:24 |
| micahg | seb128: the only thing with dropping gnome-shell is we have some regular users of it who might be upset about dropping it | 22:24 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yelp does not support GTK2 anymore | 22:24 |
| seb128 | micahg, well, would they feel better about having a 6 months old version? | 22:24 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, so let's not bother with it | 22:24 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I suggest focussing on unity for now | 22:24 |
| seb128 | we can sort GNOME3 at the sprint | 22:24 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, sure | 22:25 |
| seb128 | it's getting close from end of year break anyway | 22:25 |
| micahg | seb128: yeah, I guess that will make people just as upset, you think we can add something to the release notes about the GNOME3 PPA? | 22:25 |
| seb128 | yes | 22:25 |
| * robert_ancell wants a bzr-pbuild | 22:25 | |
| TheMuso | Tried to install rhythmbox build deps in a chroot, and it looked like apt was happy. Updating my mirror again to see if newer packages change things. | 22:26 |
| micahg | seb128: ok, so should I still work on it then and propose a merge for someone to upload to the -desktop PPA? | 22:26 |
| seb128 | micahg, if you want sure | 22:27 |
| seb128 | we will get as much of GNOME3 as we can in the ppa | 22:27 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, micahg, which will probably be all of it according to http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html | 22:28 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, please help updating it if you can! | 22:28 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: I'll be glad to help :) | 22:28 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, libgirepository-1.0-1: Conflicts: libgirepository1.0-1 but 0.9.12+git20101124-0ubuntu2 is to be installed. | 22:29 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, thanks | 22:29 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, is that what you got? | 22:29 |
| micahg | how are you handling bugs WRT the GNOME3 PPA? | 22:29 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I don't have a pbuilder there to try | 22:29 |
| seb128 | micahg, we don't ;-) | 22:29 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, just open them against the normal packages, but make clear it's the PPA version | 22:29 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: ok, maybe there should be a tag, like GNOME3? | 22:30 |
| TheMuso | Only have to fetch 135MB of updates for my mirror, so should be able to confirm robert_ancell's findings soon. | 22:30 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, they'll probably just sit there until N+1, but we can forward them upstream | 22:30 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, good idea | 22:30 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, TheMuso: ok thanks | 22:30 |
| seb128 | python-gobject needs a rebuild | 22:30 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: if you like, I can bring it up in the bugsquad meeting on Tuesday so others are aware and don't close them | 22:31 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, yes, thanks! | 22:31 |
| TheMuso | /c/c | 22:31 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: I'll let you know the outcome of the meeting | 22:31 |
| TheMuso | http://paste.ubuntu.com/541185/ | 22:35 |
| TheMuso | ^^ attempting to apt-get build-dep rhythmbox. | 22:36 |
| seb128 | ok, same that robert_ancell | 22:37 |
| seb128 | it's due to python-gobject, I've uploaded a rebuilt now | 22:37 |
| TheMuso | ok. | 22:37 |
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| seb128 | robert_ancell, what do you think about dropping the desktop effect tab? | 22:43 |
| seb128 | in gcc | 22:43 |
| seb128 | it doesn't really fit for unity against GNOME nowadays | 22:44 |
| seb128 | the fallback should just work | 22:44 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, why not just hide it when in unity? | 22:44 |
| seb128 | the users who want to tweak their wm can do it in gconf | 22:44 |
| seb128 | well GNOME3 drops the appearance capplet | 22:44 |
| robert_ancell | We can either hide it or remove it - there's not much difference | 22:44 |
| seb128 | so I was pondering just drop it now | 22:44 |
| robert_ancell | right, so it's gone in N+1 anyway | 22:44 |
| seb128 | rather than spending time to make it be smart about unity | 22:45 |
| robert_ancell | I'm OK with removing it. I'm sure there'll be some people who complain though | 22:45 |
| seb128 | it doesn't work with compiz 0.9 | 22:45 |
| seb128 | either | 22:45 |
| seb128 | so it needs work | 22:45 |
| robert_ancell | well the patch will be if (!getenv("COMPIZ_CONFIG_PROFILE")) gtk_widget_hide() | 22:45 |
| robert_ancell | oh, then it's gone | 22:46 |
| seb128 | lol | 22:46 |
| seb128 | g-c-c needs a rebuild as well | 22:46 |
| seb128 | if you have time today feel free to do it | 22:46 |
| seb128 | I will have a look tomorrow or next week otherwise | 22:46 |
| seb128 | (I'm having friday off again this week) | 22:46 |
| robert_ancell | ok, will do | 22:47 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: minimal GNOME3 means no major GTK3 infrastructure porting, right? | 22:57 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, do you mean can an app be GNOME3 and still use GTK2? | 22:57 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: no, I mean are we porting any shared parts of the desktop to gtk3? | 22:58 |
| micahg | like stuff that Xubuntu would be using | 22:58 |
| robert_ancell | micahg, no, we're only providing the GTK3 stack, everything is remaining as it was, none of the shared components will change (e.g. to gsettings) | 23:00 |
| micahg | robert_ancell: great, I'll pass that along, thanks | 23:00 |
| kklimonda | heh, this new tab grouping in Firefox is dangerous - I no longer close tabs, just open new groups ;) | 23:00 |
| kklimonda | and firefox is using more and more memory :/ | 23:00 |
| micahg | kklimonda: I'm hit by the same thing :) | 23:01 |
| kklimonda | it's a cool feature but it needs more polish to ease tab management. | 23:02 |
| kklimonda | jcastro: I think I can update glom to 1.16.2 now | 23:29 |
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