[16:01] <mvo> hello
[16:01] <robbiew> #startmeeting
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[16:01] <robbiew> o/
[16:01] <ev> hiya
[16:02] <jhunt> hi
[16:02] <robbiew> cjwatson: is ill today
[16:02] <robbiew> psurbhi is still on holiday (family visit in India)
[16:03] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Lightning Round
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lightning Round
[16:03] <robbiew> ev:?
[16:03] <ev> At the QA sprint all week. Gave a presentation on the installer testing netbook farm and hudson yesterday, helping people build out their own test frameworks from this, going to give a talk at the Rally about it per cjwatson's approval.
[16:03] <ev> Working on adding bootchart support to the installer testing work, and building some sikuli graphical tests to run on it. Sitting in on user testing of the website today and tomorrow. Had a meeting with Ivanka about the "replace Ubuntu install, preserving applications and settings" option that grew into a chat about the entire automatic partitioning page.
[16:03] <ev> She's going to work on a proposed design for the Rally. Verifying new USB disks for the shop for Cezzaine.
[16:03] <ev> done!
[16:05] <robbiew> ev: thnx...find a place to live yet?
[16:05] <robbiew> or should I expense a cot for you in Millbank
[16:05] <robbiew> lol
[16:06] <robbiew> ...guess he didn't find my joke that funny
[16:06] <robbiew> mvo: ?
[16:06] <ev> robbiew: lol, yes
[16:06] <ev> all sorted
[16:06] <ev> sorry, the Internet connection here is a bit flaky
[16:07] <mvo> deploy *much* more responsive changelogs extractor for changelogs.ubuntu.com (for all practical purposes there should be never a "no changelog available yet" message anymore);
[16:07] <mvo> alpha1: app-install-data update; SRU msttcorefonts EULA #670629;
[16:07] <mvo> Updated conflictchecker for maverick and natty; Upload vmbuilder bzr snapshot
[16:07] <mvo> update-manager: fix maverick->natty, lp:~mvo/update-manager/use-screen-in-text-frontend; add firewall information on the server upgrade, final touches for screen support in the text-dist-upgrader, merge lp:~kelemeng/update-manager/bug633036
[16:07] <mvo> software-center: add spellchecker to the submit/report abse, make reapply cursor selection work again, merge lp:~mvo/software-center/apthistory-pickle-cache, merge experimental-fastlist, sponsor SRU for 3.0.7 (#673991), play with lp:~mvo/software-center/sentinel-mode (auto detect UI blocks), work on reviews client
[16:07] <mvo> (done)
[16:08]  * robbiew anxiously awaits R-n-R to magically appear in s-c
[16:08] <robbiew> thnx mvo
[16:08] <mvo> if you run natty, you should *really* see a differnce by e..g clicking on the system category
[16:08] <mvo> speedwise
[16:08] <robbiew> oh yeah...I have
[16:08] <mvo> we made some good progress, from ~5s to instant :)
[16:09] <robbiew> sweet
[16:09] <robbiew> jhunt:?
[16:09] <jhunt> Got lp:#672614 fixed upstream. Natty daily testing. Writing a "clone"
[16:09] <jhunt> sys-call app to make dev+test with upstart easier. More upstart man-page
[16:09] <jhunt> documentation. Finalized upstart spec with keybuk+cjwatson yesterday in
[16:09] <jhunt> London re upstart.  My part of the spec is now on the wiki.
[16:09] <jhunt> currently working on the new "debug" stanza.
[16:10] <jhunt> EOT
[16:10] <robbiew> \o/ on bug #67261
[16:10] <robbiew> damn it...and bug #672614
[16:11] <robbiew> and a huge *\o/* + whoohoo on upstart workitems :P
[16:11] <mvo> nice
[16:11] <jhunt> yeah - I'm surprised more people aren't affected. Maybe that tells us something about emacs usage :)
[16:11] <mvo> or people removing tracker ;)
[16:11] <robbiew> lol
[16:11] <robbiew> no comment
[16:12] <robbiew> jhunt: thx
[16:12] <robbiew> doko:?
[16:12] <doko> python2.7
[16:12] <doko> done
[16:12] <Keybuk> jhunt: I use emacs ... :p
[16:13] <ScottK> fsvo done.
[16:13] <Keybuk> admittedly, I've never used the C-M-s  shortcut before
[16:13] <robbiew> fsvo?
[16:13] <jhunt> :)
[16:13]  * mvo googles fsvo
[16:13] <barry> as do i. i always go into isearch then toggle to regexp if i need it
[16:13] <mvo> urban dictonary ftw
[16:14] <barry> C-s C-t
[16:14] <robbiew> doko: thnx
[16:14] <robbiew> barry:?
[16:14] <barry> % wtf fsvo
[16:14] <barry> FSVO: for some value of
[16:14] <barry> py27 ftbfs: 683182 (graphviz), 685127 (guppy)y, 685180 (sphinx problems, inprogress).  patch pilot.  debian packaging work.  bug 683486 for lp.  udd workflow.  done.
[16:15] <barry> py27 ftbfs will be my life for the next few months
[16:15] <mvo> go barry go
[16:15] <robbiew> "udd workflow"
[16:15] <robbiew> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-foundations-n-distributed-development-review-and-planning
[16:15] <barry> let's hope they're not all as "fun" as nipy
[16:15] <robbiew> eh hem
[16:16] <mvo> I'm happy to help with the py2.7 ones too
[16:16] <barry> robbiew: right, right.  yes.  i'll fill some thing out there and get poolie to review
[16:16] <robbiew> ;)
[16:16] <barry> mvo: awesome.  nipy is fun because it builds fine in my sbuild, and fails three different ways in pbuilder, ppa, buildds
[16:16] <robbiew> barry: thank you sir!
[16:16] <robbiew> Keybuk: ?
[16:17] <Keybuk> done: lots of work on temporal events for 0.10, which turns out to be great fun
[16:17] <Keybuk> I have a tool that you can ask things like "when is the next time that Friday 13th occurs in an even-numbered year?"
[16:17] <robbiew> lol
[16:17] <Keybuk> deathspank:Timestuff scott$ MDAYS=13 WDAYS=FR YEARS=0/2 ./nexttime
[16:17] <Keybuk> Now is                     Wed Dec  8 16:17:52 GMT 2010	(1291825072)
[16:18] <Keybuk> After days of month        Mon Dec 13 00:00:00 GMT 2010	(1292198400)
[16:18] <Keybuk> After years                Mon Dec 13 00:00:00 GMT 2010	(1292198400)
[16:18] <Keybuk> After days of week         Fri Dec 17 00:00:00 GMT 2010	(1292544000)
[16:18] <Keybuk> After days of month        Thu Jan 13 00:00:00 GMT 2011	(1294876800)
[16:18] <Keybuk> After years                Fri Jan 13 00:00:00 GMT 2012	(1326412800)
[16:18] <Keybuk> After days of week         Fri Jan 13 00:00:00 GMT 2012	(1326412800)
[16:18] <Keybuk> so that's good fun
[16:18] <Keybuk> also done: met with James and we sorted out the division of work for Upstart in natty
[16:18] <Keybuk> and also done: we actually have most of a spec written \o/
[16:18] <Keybuk> --
[16:18] <robbiew> http://daysuntil.com/Friday-the-13th/index.html
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://daysuntil.com/Friday-the-13th/index.html
[16:19] <robbiew> ...just sayin
[16:19] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Natty
[16:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty
[16:19] <robbiew> so I see we don't have a https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:19] <Keybuk> robbiew: yeah, it's not hard or mysterious, but the algorithms only exist in pieces
[16:19] <Keybuk> e.g. there's an algorithm for resolving week days, or months
[16:20] <Keybuk> but not one for both
[16:20] <Keybuk> so it's the combination of everything ;)
[16:20] <robbiew> ah..fair'nuf
[16:20] <robbiew> as for the wiki page, I'll try to create one today
[16:20] <robbiew> then I can properly nag people about features and bugs
[16:20] <robbiew> heh
[16:21] <robbiew> the problem with actively managing 3 develop teams...is that I'm actively managing 3 development teams!
[16:21] <robbiew> I know very little about a whole lot, atm
[16:21] <robbiew> :/
[16:21] <robbiew> but sorting this all out soon...I hpoe
[16:21] <robbiew> and hope
[16:22] <robbiew> [TOPIC] AOB/Good News?
[16:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB/Good News?
[16:22] <robbiew> ev has a place to live \o/
[16:22] <robbiew> lol
[16:22] <ev> hooray!
[16:23] <ev> my life is sorted until at least January :)
[16:23] <robbiew> ha ha
[16:23]  * robbiew puts a cot on order
[16:24] <ev> :)
[16:24] <robbiew> ev: who knows...maybe our new offices will have napping pods :P
[16:24] <mvo> searches in s-c are *much* faster now
[16:24] <mvo> and changelogs.ubuntu.com updates instantly
[16:24] <mvo> (well, almost ;)
[16:25] <robbiew> whoohoo...the search is pretty cool, tbh
[16:25] <robbiew> I was installing software on my wife's new laptop
[16:25] <robbiew> in 10.10
[16:26] <robbiew> and noticed the change in natty
[16:26] <robbiew> subtle...but nice ;)
[16:26] <mvo> :) for really large searches its not so suble, but for most searches (~1000 entries) the old versions were doing very well. but now its instant for 30k items as well
[16:27] <mvo> s/suble/subtle
[16:28] <robbiew> good point
[16:28] <robbiew> anything else?
[16:28] <robbiew> once.....
[16:28] <robbiew> twice...
[16:29] <ScottK> Qt builds on arm now.
[16:29] <ScottK> thanks to gcc getting fixed.
[16:29] <robbiew> \o/
[16:29] <robbiew> sweet
[16:29] <robbiew> that should allow for Unity...I think :/
[16:30] <robbiew> done!
[16:30] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:30] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:30.
[16:30] <robbiew> thanks all
[16:30] <barry> thanks robbiew
[16:30] <ScottK> Actually worked around, but I don't care the difference.
[16:30] <robbiew> ScottK: yeah...I figured as much ;)
[16:31] <mvo> thanks
[16:42] <ev> robbiew: with any luck
[16:42] <ev> and thanks
[20:00] <mhall119> o/
[20:01] <highvoltage> hello
[20:01] <highvoltage> Edubuntu meeting time, who else besides mhall119 is present? :)
[20:01] <dinda> 0/
[20:02] <highvoltage> all I really have to update on is that I uploaded the gartoon-redux icon theme. I talked to the author and he said he'll prioritise any icons that's missing in Edubuntu
[20:03] <highvoltage> I'll poke him a big about the folder icons, they're still a bit annoying. if that's fixed it could be quite a good icon theme for young kdis
[20:03] <highvoltage> I replaced the old gartoon theme with gartoon-redux in edubuntu too
[20:03] <highvoltage> and tested yesterdays daily build, it seems ok, we have the slideshow back although I still need to update it
[20:04] <highvoltage> for the next few days the only ubuntu work I've got planned is reviewing some zope packages for Schooltool, and mhall119's xdg-launcher package
[20:04] <dinda> so schooltool is planned to be included in Natty?
[20:04] <mhall119> \o/
[20:05] <mhall119> highvoltage: how long do I have to push new versions of xdg-launcher?
[20:05] <highvoltage> dinda: yep, there's a good chance of it making it in this time
[20:05] <dinda> nice!
[20:05] <highvoltage> mhall119: what do you mean?
[20:05] <mhall119> it's on 0.0.2 right now, and pretty rough
[20:05] <mhall119> there's still a lot of code work to go into it
[20:05] <highvoltage> mhall119: it works right?
[20:06] <mhall119> sometimes ;)
[20:06]  * charlie-tca is late, but here too
[20:06] <mhall119> it works on ubuntu/gnome, but not Xfce or qimo-session
[20:06] <mhall119> because, evidently, they use different xdg menus
[20:06] <mhall119> :(
[20:06] <highvoltage> mhall119: heh, ok. well I think when it more or less works, then it should get uploaded (sounds like now is a good time already though), and then after that we should just make sure you have upload rights for that package. are you a membed of edubuntu-dev yet?
[20:07] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: :)
[20:07] <mhall119> highvoltage: not yet, haven't had a quorum
[20:07] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: we're probably not going with faenza anymore, just because pretty much everyone else is doing it :)
[20:07] <mhall119> wait, it edubuntu-dev a member position?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> heh
[20:08] <highvoltage> mhall119: that should be fixed quite soon
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will go with it
[20:08] <highvoltage> mhall119: I suggest just applying for both at the same time
[20:08] <mhall119> highvoltage: I'm already an Ubuntu member
[20:09] <highvoltage> (brb)
[20:09] <mhall119> highvoltage: I'm not on edubuntu-dev
[20:09] <mhall119> and it's a restricted team, so you'll have to add me
[20:10] <highvoltage> nixternal: are you around perhaps?
[20:10] <dinda> highvoltage: what about Moodle 2.0? who I poke to get it packaged?
[20:10] <mhall119> I have dynamic-sizing on xdg-launcher now, so it'll shrink in height as it grows in width
[20:11] <stgraber> dinda: hmm, not sure, it proved to need a lot of work maintaining it last time someone wanted to package moodle. I certainly won't have any time to look at it at least.
[20:12] <stgraber> now if someone else wants to do the work and can commit on maintaining it, especially for security and bugfixes (which are extremelty frequent last time I checked), we might consider having it in Edubuntu again
[20:12] <dinda> stgraber: I can ask in the Moodle groups if someone will take the maintainer role
[20:12] <highvoltage> stgraber: I poked you on jabber to poke sbalneav, would be nice if we could get ec quorum and sort out mhall119's request
[20:13] <stgraber> ideally it'd be nice to have something coordinated with Debian. See what they have there, it'd probably reduce the work quite a lot.
[20:13] <dinda> I know the Moodle Core contrib coordinator so he may recommend someone
[20:13] <dinda> that makes sense, having at the Debian level
[20:13] <mhall119> I thought moodle got a new debain maintainer a while back
[20:14] <mhall119> I remember getting a bunch of emails on the mailing list
[20:14] <stgraber> we'll also need someone with good understanding of Ubuntu's security and bugfix policy, as last time I checked, moodle wasn't really doing proper security releases
[20:14] <stgraber> and instead tend to bundle a lot of unrelated changes
[20:14] <dinda> I know Remote Learner uses it on their Ubuntu servers so they might be the ones doing the packaging
[20:14] <stgraber> making it very painful for packagers to extractthe patches and apply that to older releases
[20:14] <dinda> I'll check with them
[20:14] <highvoltage> mhall119: I'll send out an email today so that we do it via email. edubuntu-members is free, edubuntu-dev I believe we should vote on, but I'll try to sort that out today. we could then have your launcher as part of the edubuntu package set and you should then have upload rights to it once it's in the archives
[20:15] <mhall119> highvoltage: cool, thanks
[20:15] <stgraber> mhall119: if they do, then maybe we've got hope of having something that's well enough maintained to actually be shippable on the DVD without the security team and release team poking edubuntu-release regularly for unfixed security issues :)
[20:15] <mhall119> can we put the qimo-* packages under edubuntu-dev too?
[20:15] <highvoltage> mhall119: just add to your wiki page that you're also applying for edubuntu-dev, if you haven't already
[20:15] <mhall119> highvoltage: to my page?
[20:16] <highvoltage> mhall119: I can't see why not. it should be fine, right stgraber?
[20:16] <stgraber> mhall119: we basically need to have it added to a seed
[20:16] <mhall119> ok
[20:16] <highvoltage> mhall119: your wiki page, just a sentence saying that you're applying for edubuntu-dev and which packages you're interested in (include the qimo ones and the launcher)
[20:16] <stgraber> mhall119: so as soon as we start shipping them on the DVD we can poke colin and have it included to our packageset
[20:19] <highvoltage> dinda: ah, you're applying for edubuntu-members too right? it's not completely clear on the meeting agenda page. if so I can add that to the email ass well
[20:19] <highvoltage> dinda: you're already an ubuntu member right?
[20:20] <dinda> highvoltage: yes already an Ubuntu member
[20:20] <highvoltage> dinda: ok, that makes it easy
[20:21] <mhall119> highvoltage: updated my wiki page to list packages that I maintain, and also that I'm applying for Edubuntu membership
[20:23] <highvoltage> mhall119: add that you're applying for edubuntu-dev (or Edubuntu Developers), that's the important part to add since that's the only one requiring a vote technically
[20:23] <mhall119> ok
[20:26] <dinda> stgraber: is there some place I can go online to see who the current deb packager for Moodle is?
[20:26] <mhall119> Original-Maintainer: Moodle Packaging Team <moodle-packaging@catalyst.net.nz>
[20:26] <mhall119> might try that email
[20:26] <stgraber> dinda: for Debian, the PTS is probably the place to look at. For Ubuntu, I can quite safely say that it's nobody (or auto-synced from Debian) :)
[20:27] <mhall119> highvoltage: done
[20:27] <dinda> mhall119: ok, I know someone who works there so will CC her
[20:27] <stgraber> it'd be nice if someone could test the package that's in Debian and if it works correctly, then file a sync request
[20:27] <highvoltage> ok email sent
[20:28] <mhall119> is the version in debian different from the version in ubuntu?
[20:28] <stgraber> mhall119: yep
[20:28] <mhall119> ok
[20:28] <stgraber> packaging was quite different
[20:28] <stgraber> now Ubuntu is quite a bit behind
[20:28] <stgraber> 1.9.4 in Ubuntu vs 1.9.9 in Debian
[20:28] <stgraber> Ubuntu didn't update the major version since jaunty
[20:29] <highvoltage> ah, so that's still the packaging that canonical paid for?
[20:29] <stgraber> highvoltage: I guess so
[20:29] <stgraber> I dropped it from main to universe with lucid
[20:29] <stgraber> as we don't ship it anymore and we don't have the requirement for main anyway
[20:29] <highvoltage> web apps that can't be maintained properly shouldn't be in main anyway, imho :)
[20:31] <mhall119> charlie-tca: how much do you know about XDG menus?  I may need help getting xdg-launcher to recognize the Xfce configs
[20:33] <charlie-tca> I don't know much about them
[20:33] <charlie-tca> I know the menus got a re-write in Xfce4.8
[20:34] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit will know more about it than me
[20:35] <mhall119> ok, I'll ask in #xubuntu-dev when I know what questions to ask
[20:36] <highvoltage> anything else?
[20:36] <stgraber> nope
[20:38] <highvoltage> mhall119: I'll be around (although I'm a bit distracted with other stuff atm too) and look at that package between today and tomorrow, it has a needs-packaging bug open already, right?
[20:38] <mhall119> sure, there's no rush (yet)
[20:39] <charlie-tca> mhall119: I am still stumbling on some stuff.
[20:45] <highvoltage> well, let's call it an end to the meeting and move back to #edubuntu
[20:45] <highvoltage> thanks for joining!
[20:45] <alkisg> Thanks :)
[20:45] <highvoltage> stgraber pointed out to me that we did it an hour late
[20:45] <charlie-tca> ooops?
[20:45] <highvoltage> heh, indeed
[20:46] <highvoltage> I guess since a lot of us are in a timezome where we have stupid DST, we didn't really notice
[20:46] <charlie-tca> heh
[21:06] <mhall119> yeah, I didn't notice