/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/08/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Jordan_UHmm, the laptop discussion is right on the border of off topic.02:15
Jordan_U(in #ubuntu)02:15
elky* afed has quit (K-Lined) <-- orly?02:18
elkyor am i confusing with soemone else?02:18
ajmitchis someone available to kick & ban someone from #ubuntu-devel?02:47
ajmitchthey're spam-changing the topic with racist crap02:47
IdleOneIRCC ^^02:48
IdleOnestaff around?02:49
ajmitch!ops02:49
ubottuHelp! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler!02:49
ubottuajmitch called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()02:49
ajmitchhopefully someone will be around02:49
elkyi tried02:49
tonyyarussotopyli: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-1193956602:49
ajmitchelky: ah :(02:49
IdleOneset +t02:50
Picisorry, just saw the message.02:51
IdleOneajmitch: done and thank you02:51
Picimarienz: thanks.02:51
marienzno problem, was fairly obvious02:54
marienzhmm, although it looks like there's now some fallout about keeping it +t or not, sorry about that03:08
IdleOnemarienz: security is more important.03:10
tsimpsonmarienz: don't worry about that, it's up to us to sort out :)03:10
Picimarienz: not your fault. I would have done the same if I had reacted a minute sooner.03:10
IdleOneI tried to op soon as I joined the channel, had I been able to I would of set +t also03:10
IdleOnewould have*03:11
marienzthe person doing it is an ongoing network-wide problem (took me a short while to remember which one)03:11
IdleOneBTW things like that is another reason why IRCC should be on the access list in all #ubuntu* channels03:11
PiciIdleOne: we are. But only in name it seems.  We're going to follow up on this ourselves.03:12
elky|_ocke is in a mood again06:26
elkysee -ot06:26
rwwFlannel: don't hate, he has a medical condition that means he forgets things over 13 minutes old.06:39
Myrttimoin07:57
Tm_Wmoin moin07:58
* Tm_W is recovering from fever07:59
jussiHuomenta08:04
Tm_Wso, how was the weekend and mon-tue in channels?08:06
Myrttisame old, same old.08:07
elkyrww, i arrived too late and didnt have chanserv on this netbook yet :(08:08
MyrttiI don't know how to publically answer to people who are having a problem they know is caused by a bug08:21
Tm_Wif they become trouble, simply "you know the bug report, provide information there, as here it causes nothing but a noise" or such08:27
Tm_Wafter that, the normal procedure for anyone who doesn't follow the clear guidance08:28
Myrtti"yours is a bit of a corner case and I'd be surprised if anyone here had found the answer and not publish it on that bugreport"08:28
Myrttianyone following the discussion on #freenode?09:05
Tm_Wnot I, should?09:05
Myrttiperhaps09:06
Tm_Wwill do then09:06
Myrttisomeone has banned this person in some Ubuntu channels (uw and the project channel apparently) for sending an unsolicited CTCP request09:06
Myrttiand now there's a great big bruhaha09:07
Myrttiand of course being nice and all, he's sent a complaint email to Jono.09:07
Myrttiand hell will freeze over before I join uw channels again. I take stuff too personally and stress myself way over the limit of healthy, so I have to stay out just to keep my bloodpressure in healthy levels09:10
Jordan_Uuw?09:10
Myrttiubuntu-women09:10
macobecause of the extra-special trolls it gets?09:12
maco(and actually the project channel doesnt seem to get any. being logged seems to keep them away)09:12
Myrttimaco: no, the whole subject depresses me too much.09:13
topyliMyrtti: that's a great idea, we should document it. "if you're a very important person, you need not worry about appealing your ban like normal folks. instead, send mail to jono." :)09:14
* maco blinks09:15
macowait i recall someone who went with "PM sabdfl" for that before...09:15
maco(hmm was it PM or just highlight? either way...)09:15
topyliheh. that's probably about as effective09:15
Tm_TMyrtti: funny how he seemed to blame women of being overreactive when giving him some boot, when it was he initially09:42
Tm_Tor that's how I read the logs09:43
popeys/he/she/ apparently09:46
Tm_Tpopey: ?09:47
Myrtti*shrug*09:47
popeyTm_T: "funny how he seemed", was a she apparently09:47
Myrttiwhatever happened to the longtime standard of "lurk and see how the channel works"09:47
Tm_Tpopey: ah, I'm just glad in finnish we don't need to care of such thing (he/she, just genderless words)09:49
ikoniaBravo fro mAditya Ranjan Bisoyi on the mailing list for his application09:57
Hobbseeindeed.  one has to wonder how he managed to find, and subscribe, and post to the mailing list, yet not manage to follow the links on ubuntu.com10:33
Myrtti"it's a mystery!"10:34
ikoniaI AM CD OPERATOR10:38
Jordan_U?10:39
Myrtticould it be cambodia?10:39
Myrttino...10:39
Myrtticongo.10:40
jussiIm guessing the fella wants a CD, and he is asking from the operators. but just me...10:41
Myrttihas someone actually answered him and asked?10:41
ikoniano10:41
ikonia(as in no I've not asked)10:42
Jordan_UI am subscribed to ubuntu-irc but I am not seeing this email.10:42
* Jordan_U wonders if there is another mailing list he should be subscribed to10:42
jussiJordan_U: nah, -irc is the only one.10:43
jussiJordan_U: its in the announcing irc membership thread from nhandler.10:43
MyrttiJordan_U: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2010-December/001176.html10:43
Jordan_UMyrtti: Ahh. Gmail nicely sent that to my spam folder :)10:44
* jussi has the flag not to send anything from the list to spam10:45
* Myrtti is happy, finally got spotify links to work with Chrome and XFCE properly10:46
* Jordan_U does also now10:47
topyliHI HAY SIR11:00
topylithis is going to be my standard greeting now11:00
Myrttimy headaches are really depressing, the painkillers that I'm allowed seem to do very little :-(11:03
topyli:\11:07
jribMORNING HAY SIR topyli12:17
topyliHAY SIR12:18
* cdbs wonders whether people forgot !caps12:18
jpdscdbs: NO, THEY'RE USING A SPECIAL TERMINAL FONT THAT HAS EVERYTHING IN CAPS.12:19
cdbsmeh12:19
MyrttiHI HAY EVERYONE12:22
cdbs!caps | everyone12:26
ubottueveryone: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.12:26
cdbs:)12:26
Pici:D is the caps version of :)12:53
jussiCDBS: PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ SCROLLBACK AND THE ML :D13:04
jussi*G*13:04
cdbsbrb13:04
Myrttiah, extra helping of patience is needed13:08
Myrttijijojohn is back with "how to make a Ubuntu live cd"13:08
Myrttigood grief that was difficult13:20
ikonia?13:22
Myrtti"I want to get this and that webcam to work" "so which applications have you tried this and that webcam" (after I checked that it may not work with Skype without the LD preload trick) "this and that webcam" "no, which application" "I've already plugged it in Ubuntu" "yes but which application, windows, skype...?" "no not Windows" "..." "yes skype"13:24
Myrttibtw, jijojohn rejoined13:24
LjLhe can't speak13:25
LjLgateway users are always allowed to join now13:25
LjLbut if they're banned, they can't speak13:25
ikoniawhy not just ban them ?13:25
ikonia(excuse ignorence)13:26
PiciThey are banned. But hes a webchat user.13:26
ikoniayes, but I kicked him, I thought that put a ban on him from webcat in #ubuntu13:26
LjLbecause we can't really afford putting *two* bans per person13:27
ikoniawhere is the second ban coming from ? I thought kicking them just did a +b which = 1 ban13:27
LjLit does a +b on their *real hostname*13:28
LjLit doesn't do a +b on the *webchat*13:28
Piciikonia: webchat users don't land in -proxy-users anymore. They land in #ubuntu and get a +e from the bot.13:28
ikoniaPici: ah, I'd forgot about that13:28
LjLyou can still set a webchat ban manually, if the situation warrants it (i can think of someone join/part/join/parting, or of someone spying on the channel to do PM-spam)13:29
ikoniashame, I thought the old situation was better,13:30
Piciikonia: perhaps for the ops, but it was a poor situation for our users.13:30
PiciEspecially those who are using the webchat because they don't know any better.13:30
ikoniaPici: they just got forwarded to -proxy-users then they could join #ubuntu, I didn't see that as a massive use13:31
LjLi don't see how this is a problem in 99% of cases13:33
LjLyou see them joining, but they can't speak. they're effectively banned.13:33
Myrttihttp://open.spotify.com/track/0XvjOhwCnXXFOSlBbV9jPN13:35
Tm_Thi melik2_, how can we help you?13:38
Picivin: Is there anything we can help you with today?13:40
melik2_Tm_T:13:41
melik2_sorry, i got forwarded here :/13:42
* Pici blinks13:42
LjLi wonder where from13:42
Picime too13:43
vinI tried to join some debian channel but I got here13:45
vinsorry guys13:45
LjLwhat the hell...13:45
PiciIts not ##lessthanthree, I checked that first.13:45
LjLis that the arch troll place?13:46
PiciYes.13:46
PiciHrm.  And vin is telling me in pm that he can't tell me what channel he was trying to join because 'its a bit private'13:48
PiciThats concerning.13:48
LjLi think forwards should provide a way to tell which channel the forward came from13:49
LjLit's only fair13:49
LjLnow if freenode had a bugtracker, i'd file a bug ;)13:49
Piciircd7 doesn't have a bugtracker?13:49
LjLit has a trac thing but i cannot make head or tails of it13:50
ikoniato be honest, ask staff to help with that, I'd put money on if they do a "whois" on the useropenvms it will be a channel he is in13:52
PiciI'm waiting for melik2_ to respond to my pm.13:53
LjLdoes staff release information like that?13:53
ikoniadon't' release it13:53
ikonialet them act on it13:53
ikoniathis user has done this before, he is the most likley candidate for continuing to do it13:53
ikoniacheck it out please13:53
LjLwhat would they do, it's not a crime to set a forward to a channel that accepts forwards13:54
ikoniait's abuse13:54
ikoniathere is no reason to forward anyone to this channel beyond an ubuntu issue13:55
LjLi don't think it should be considered network abuse13:55
LjLif we didn't want that to happen, we wouldn't have this channel set as forward-able13:55
ikoniaI think it should13:55
Tm_Tit's abuse13:55
jussiIll have a word with staff to make them aware at least - please know hte staff are at your disposal also ;)13:55
kloeriwould -F'ing #ubuntu-ops be an option? I'm guessing not but that would stop random channels from being forwarded here14:09
Myrttihm14:14
Myrttimy alias isn't working as it should14:14
kloeriget a bigger one14:16
kloerias long as the alias is big enough clubbing users with it should work :p14:16
Myrttitoo bad I'm not really capable of debugging with this headache14:17
Picikloeri: I'm not really sure thats a viable option for us.  We can discuss it internally some more though.14:17
kloeriI only have a slight headache fortunately14:18
Myrttimine has moved a notch up to the stage where it makes me spontaneously cry at times14:18
kloeriouch :(14:19
IdleOne!guidelines  > ilovegrolsc14:55
IdleOneerr, bot you just saw them in the channel :/14:56
PiciHes had enough warnings. He admitted that hes drunk.14:56
IdleOneahh14:57
IdleOnewell, Myrtti handled it :)14:57
Myrttiplease tell me that backtrack has changed their irc clients to join their IRC channels by default, not Ubuntu15:05
maconope15:05
Myrttimaco: you herald of disappointing news you15:06
popeyhave they been asked to?15:06
IdleOnethey should just do it without being asked15:06
popeyright15:06
popeyand we should just fix all bugs without being told about them15:07
IdleOneI mean you create your own derivative, why not edit the autojoin channel in the irc clients15:07
popeymaybe nobody thought to?15:07
IdleOnemaybe15:07
popeynever attribute to malice.. etc15:07
IdleOneanybody if backtrack has an -es channel?15:08
IdleOnehmm, no answer in there :/15:11
IdleOne#backtrack-es for those interested15:11
=== Gary_ is now known as Gary
cdbsIRC council: Can someone please change the topic of #ubuntu+1 to include the fact that python 2.7 rebuilds are taking place and people shouldn't partial upgrade?15:44
cdbss/Irc Council/#ubuntu+1 operators/15:45
IdleOneGood morning alabd, how can I help you today?16:00
alabdGood morning IdleOne , thanks , in fact some days ago while i-humble was saying something new to OPs about removing my user ban , someone kicked me (that was speedy action), anyway , i-humble wanted to say some16:02
alabdsome OPs have been said to me16:03
alabdwe should see your behaviour in other ubuntu-* channels16:03
alabdnow i-humble wan to say they/you can check my behaviour in ubuntu-ir from first up to now ,16:05
IdleOnealabd: I will let the ops know that you are trying to follow the rules and that they can check the logs for #ubuntu-ir. Until the ops concerned make a decision I cannot remove the ban.16:06
IdleOnealabd: was there anything else I could help with?16:09
alabdIdleOne: no , thanks , just be awar that for some months i-humble have not used a lot from irc channels because of my engagements16:12
alabdso they may check log in months before now16:12
IdleOneo.k.16:12
IdleOnealabd: if there is nothing else please /part this channel and have a good day.16:14
alabdIdleOne: thanks sure16:16
alabdGod bless you16:16
IdleOnepinch of salt, a litle pepper and a whole lot of honey goes a long way (sometimes)16:16
charlie-tcawow16:17
charlie-tcaThat was good16:17
IdleOnewith alabd you have to be patient and courteous, more so then with the regular people we get in here16:17
IdleOneall he wants is to have his say16:17
IdleOnedon't let him fool you though, he has been a thorn in #ubuntu's side for a long while16:19
charlie-tcayes, I knew that part. I just never seen him leave so easily16:20
IdleOneI didn't give him reason to argue. just gave him satisfaction of knowing we will look into it.16:20
IdleOnewhich reminds me16:21
IdleOneikonia and IRCC ^^16:21
jussiIdleOne: Im in the channel and watching :)16:21
* Pici too16:22
IdleOneah, never know with you. LURKER16:22
* Tm_T is in the channel but not watching16:24
* IdleOne makes faces at Tm_T :P16:24
Tm_T(:)16:24
IdleOnenot to sure I like the nick shesaidshewas1816:26
Tm_Tit's clear what it implies, so should be nicely asked to change16:26
* IdleOne PMs16:26
ikoniahello ?16:37
IdleOnehello16:38
ikoniaoh, alabd16:38
ikoniaI've been watching him, his good behaviour is actually not speaking16:38
IdleOneok spoke to shesaidshewas18 and they agreed they will change nick. they parted channel.16:38
IdleOne@mark #ubuntu shesaidshewas18 (~vyrus@a40-brn1-5-135.static.adsl.vol.cz) agreed to use more appropriate nick.16:39
ubottuThe operation succeeded.16:39
IdleOneikonia: that isn't completely a bad thing :)16:40
IdleOneneed... more...coffee16:40
IdleOneI seriously need to read befor I hit enter17:40
IdleOnesee what I mean17:40
IdleOneheh17:40
jpdsHaha, I love how idoru killed the freenode donatation spam.17:47
Myrttihas been faster in the past17:48
PiciIt all happened within a second though.17:48
Myrtti[19:49] < hylian> Dr_Willis, incorrect. i have installed ubuntu on  many machines. it does not ask you for a passowrd  as of 9.10. it uses root, i know this to be a 100%  certainty.17:50
Pici'it'?17:50
jpdsHa.17:50
IdleOnethat is 100% lie17:50
jpdsPici: Le installeur.17:50
Myrttioh, key chain password17:51
MyrttiI blame the naps17:52
Myrttialthough my headache is a bit more bearable now17:52
jpds17:56:34 [Freenode] [ ~TiMiDo!~Joint@99-126-28-149.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net  ] fuck you dumb fucking ubuntu loser,17:57
IdleOneyou got a new fan17:57
Myrttiawwww cute ♥17:57
IdleOneTiMiDo and student, same ident18:00
Myrttisame cloak too?18:00
IdleOnehe wasn't cloaked before18:00
Myrttiooer, so I see18:00
IdleOnenot my first trip to the rodeo :)18:00
Myrttiisn't using a cloak to banevade against the TOS?18:00
IdleOneyes18:01
PiciI can result in having your cloak taken away.18:01
Myrttifun18:02
IdleOnewhat happened to the java6-* packages18:09
LjLthey're in partner18:09
IdleOneI don't see them and yes partner repo is enabled18:09
LjLoh18:09
LjLmaybe Oracle is not a partner ;(18:09
IdleOneOracle sux18:09
PiciIdleOne: I don't see them published for natty18:10
IdleOneright18:10
PiciMaybe they're in that extras repo?18:10
IdleOneI'm running natty18:10
IdleOneI don't have the extras repo enabled18:10
charlie-tcathey almost never show up before rc, do they?18:10
IdleOnenot that I have any java issues with whatever is installed18:10
PiciIdleOne: I don't see it in there anyway.  Only one package.18:11
IdleOnePici: daily-journal right?18:12
Piciyeah18:12
IdleOnek18:13
Picibleh18:17
PiciI hope we don't see more of those sort of questions.18:19
IdleOnewe will18:19
IdleOnebesides if you need to ask how to DDoS you really shouldn't be doing it18:20
st__and?18:24
LjLst__: hi... so it didn't invite you? i see it thanked you for giving the correct answer though, or is that another time?18:25
st__LjL, it did, but no invitation was given, i typed answer in channel and floodbot4 gave invitation18:25
IdleOneit doesn't invite18:25
IdleOneit told you to /join #ubuntu18:25
LjLsure it does18:25
IdleOneit does?18:25
IdleOneoh, sorry18:26
IdleOnenever mind me then18:26
st__i did but was rejected for +r18:26
LjLst__: wait, i don't follo wyou - no invitation was given, but bot4 gave invitation...?18:26
LjLso was there an invitation or not?18:26
st__not until I re-typed answer18:26
LjLso you had to type it twice?18:27
st__yes18:27
st__I whispered it first time, but had to type 2nd18:27
PiciIt doesn't accept whispers.18:27
LjLwhispered, you mean PM'd it to the bot?18:27
st__yes18:27
LjLPici: it does18:27
LjLit should, anyway18:27
PiciI'm testing.18:28
MyrttiLjL: congratulations on deciphering him18:29
PiciLjL: Thanks. I forgot that.18:30
LjLPici: i tested too, it invited me just fine. now i'm suspecting he PM'd the wrong bot...18:30
LjLwhich, uhm, i guess is a bug18:30
PiciLjL: Plus I somehow thought I was talking to IdleOne a moment ago. not you.18:30
* Pici prods his brain with a pencil18:31
LjLsince the opped bot in #ubuntu doesn't have to be the one speaking in -unregged18:31
* IdleOne looks in Pici ear18:31
IdleOnenothing to see there :)18:31
* LjL works around it by making the bot reply "please say it in the channel instead"18:31
PiciIdleOne: http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lb4b3rNTgp1qze5g2o1_500.gif18:32
IdleOneI see, I should of been looking up your nose18:33
IdleOnemybad18:33
Piciyep18:33
Myrttihoooooo, that makes me sneeze18:36
IdleOnewhat would be a valid date format for at?18:47
IdleOneyeah I looked at man18:47
IdleOnehello again alabd18:47
alabdIdleOne: hello18:48
IdleOneHow can I help you?18:48
alabdCould you investigate issue ?18:50
IdleOneI informed the ops concerned and they will look at the logs, give them a few days to decide18:50
ikoniawhat issue ?18:50
alabdIdleOne: thanks but would you ask them investigate sooner , i-humble am almost in hurry18:52
Picialabd: Its not going to get done now.18:52
IdleOnealabd: things take time to be resolved, you must be patient.18:52
Picialabd: You aren't going to get into #ubuntu today.18:52
Picialabd: Anyway, those logs you suggested have only 3 lines spoken by you between 12/1 and now.18:53
alabdPici:  IdleOne not today but if it is possible  24 hours later18:53
alabdwill be thankfull18:53
IdleOnealabd: I cannot promise. you can return in 24 hours and ask for an update.18:54
ikoniaactually - dont18:54
ikonia24 hours will not have the ban removed18:54
ikoniasitting in a channel for a few days not speaking is not showing good behaviour18:54
alabdikonia: Pici i-humble have told IdleOne that in these month cause of my busy , so you may check months before that i-humble was there for answering beginners questions ...18:57
ikoniathis is a complete waste of time18:57
ikoniaalabd: this has been explained to you multiple times18:57
ikoniathe fact that you refuse to accept it and keep trying to argue it will just make the ban last longer18:57
Piciikonia: please.18:57
ikoniaPici: we give this guy so much time and effort to have it wasted18:58
IdleOnealabd: like I said the ops concerned will discuss it and will come to a decision as soon as they can.18:58
IdleOneI can't give you an amount of time.18:58
Piciikonia: pm18:58
cdbsalabd: You were here on this channel a few hours earlier as well, I think you should wait a bit more, IdleOne seems to be looking into the matter properly18:59
alabdIdleOne:  thanks , yes just wanted to remind you these lately months i-humble was not active in ubuntu-ir so you may notice ops , thanks again for your attentions  cdbs Pici ikonia19:00
alabdIdleOne: god bless you19:00
IdleOneyou are welcome, have a good day.19:00
alabdyou too19:01
Picihm19:01
PiciI'll make a note to at least ask him what he plans to use #ubuntu for, because if its the same nonsense as before, its not going to happen.19:02
IdleOneThis guy is not going to quit like ikonia said. IRCC needs to come to a firm decision so we can either ban him for good or keep seeing him in here.19:02
ikoniaas I mentioned before, alabd is lying about the ubuntu version he's using19:02
IdleOnePici: thank you,19:02
PiciI need to check my logs to see what we exactly said.19:02
ikoniait's a very mofidied version19:02
ikoniabased on his discussion in ##linux which is why they won't support him much because it's a total mess19:02
ikoniahe would not get support in #ubuntu for it anyway according to the support guidelines19:03
jussigenii-around: you are back!!!!19:52
genii-aroundjussi: Marginally :)19:52
jussihow are things? are you better?19:53
genii-aroundjussi: I just got back to work from sick leave 2 days ago19:53
* Pici slides genii-around a coffee19:55
Picigenii-around: good to have you back19:55
genii-aroundPici: Thanks!19:56
Mamarokhei genii-around, nice to see you :)19:57
* Myrtti huggles genii-around 19:57
genii-aroundThanks everyone. I do not know yet when I will be back entirely. this is why I am using my -around nick.19:59
Picirt ticket filed.20:25
rwwPici: about what?22:49
ubottuIn ubottu, BigBoy said: !foo is bar22:50
ubottuIn ubottu, BigBoy said: !abcd is alphabet22:50
LjLrww: about ubuntulog not being in #ubuntu, i think22:51
rwwah22:53

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