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ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Unity: An Ancient African Word Meaning Rocking - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/08/unity-an-ancient-african-word-meaning-rocking/00:04
=== MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller
ballIs there a Granbuntu?06:42
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Video Of Current Unity - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/08/video-of-current-unity/07:04
=== monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller
=== MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller
daubersMorning07:47
MartijnVdS\o08:12
* MartijnVdS updates his natty box08:13
kaushalhi08:15
kaushalwhat does OSD stand for in Notify OSD ?08:15
* daubers beats drupal with a stick08:16
MartijnVdSkaushal: on screen display?08:16
kaushalMartijnVdS: Thanks08:16
kaushalMartijnVdS: any wiki doc08:16
MartijnVdShttp://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&q=define:OSD&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=108:16
* daubers wonders why his blasted drupal thing is silently failing to login and not allowing him to do some admin tasks on the machine he is logged in as08:21
MartijnVdS\o/ php ;)08:22
czajkowskidaubers: you need more tea clearly08:22
* TheOpenSourcerer wonders if daubers needs to clear the cookie/session cache...08:22
MartijnVdSsounds like a reasonable suggestion08:23
daubersTheOpenSourcerer: On two machines?08:23
TheOpenSourcererhmm.08:23
daubersI have a machine that is logged in, but that can't do things like delete users08:24
daubersthe other machine fails login silently08:24
TheOpenSourcererHave you looked at the logs for the drupal server machine?08:24
daubersHmmmmm "PHP Warning:  Unknown: POST Content-Length of 227 bytes exceeds the limit of -1048576 bytes in Unknown on line 0"08:26
* daubers goes digging08:26
TheOpenSourcererThat's an informative error message ;-)08:27
TheOpenSourcererCorrupted/hacked php.ini maybe?08:27
daubersAh ha!08:28
daubersI'd upped the post size limit last night, and instead of being 50M it had become 50505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050M08:28
TheOpenSourcererlol08:28
MartijnVdSvi++ :)08:28
MartijnVdS50i50M<ESC>08:28
MartijnVdSor something08:29
daubersOdd thing was, it was reporting correctly last night08:29
MartijnVdSis php running in a persistent mode?08:30
TheOpenSourcererOK - VirtualBox licensing will be changing, and for the better on initial inspection... http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=36778&p=164949%23p16494908:30
MartijnVdShm.. for the better?08:30
daubersMartijnVdS: It's more or less default08:30
MartijnVdSit's Oracle isn't it?08:30
MartijnVdSdaubers: default-apache-module or default-cgi :)08:30
daubersMartijnVdS: apache module :)08:31
MartijnVdSthen it broke this morning when cron/logrotate restarted apache, I guess :)08:31
TheOpenSourcererUSB 1.1 OHCI now part of the core (open source license). They've changed it to an extension-based model.08:31
daubersstupid thing08:32
popeymorning ratfans09:23
czajkowskipopey: ello ello09:27
gordmorning all09:30
danfishhi ho09:35
dwatkinshi ho09:38
* popey leaves for work09:39
gordits off to work he goes?09:40
wintellect...with a bucket and spade and a hand grenade09:41
wintellectHi Ho, Hi Ho...09:41
JamesTaitMorning all. :)09:52
popeylo JamesTait09:54
JamesTaitHi popey, how's tricks?09:55
danfishhow much of the stuck-in-snow etherpad stuff did you end up getting popey?09:58
popeyalmost zero :)09:58
danfishhah - but it was a fun list to make :)09:59
danfishI thought about buying some of those snow socks, but then realised 1) I'd still get stuck behind other cars without them and 2) It would then never snow again in my lifetime10:00
popeyJamesTait: tickety boo thanks!10:05
dwatkinsdanfish: people seem to think this kind of weather is exceptional, but we've been having extreme winters (and summers) for years now10:07
BigRedSIt's still (normally) kind of exceptional10:07
BigRedSof the order of <10 days per year of this sort of thing10:07
gordhuh? no, winter is always like this, we have a cold bit in the middle of winter then it gets warmer again10:09
BigRedSI meant the whole snow thing10:09
popey-14 in bonnie scotland!10:09
BigRedSand people claiming an inability to get to work10:09
* BigRedS is in the south, and perhaps biased10:09
popey\o/ the tropical south10:09
popeyanyone here tried bitcoin?10:10
Linuxsapienso what nvidia card should I get, im tired of this screen flickering on and off all the time now :(10:13
diploAnyone recommend a place to look up usage of VM's under KVM and how much I can load onto a box ?10:18
diploSome way of calculating what loads etc a basic install etc10:18
Linuxsapienwhat repository are the ubuntu linux kernals under?10:21
cheryljosiehello anyone listening?10:26
danfishdiplo: are you using that libvirt gui app - I think that will give you what you need10:26
cheryljosieneed help with encryption10:27
screen-xmorning :)10:28
cheryljosiehi10:28
danfishcheryljosie: ask your question and if someone can help I'm sure they will10:29
cheryljosiei need a full disk encryption overview. i have used freeotfe under microsoft but every time i try to read up on linux i get confused10:31
diplodanfish, trying to spec a server to run 2-4 virtual machines but not a huge budget10:31
diploTrying to find a way of working out what can run on certain specs10:31
danfishare the servers/future VM's already running on their own hardware?10:32
cheryljosiei have several different ubuntu debian centos installations multiboot but none configured yet10:33
cheryljosieand trying to learn how to use encryption10:33
cheryljosiesince still in research mode i want to just try mounting a couple of encrypted volumes10:34
cheryljosiebutr so far i have not even used lvm just regular partitiolns10:34
cheryljosieand what confuses me is which encryption programs do what10:35
screen-xcheryljosie: the ubuntu alternate installer can setup full disk encryption,  partition encryption, or encrypted home dir.10:35
cheryljosieyes i know that it can but i am running experimental multiboot and i still have a windows partition i need to keep10:35
cheryljosieand all those desktop installers pretty much want to take over the whole hdd10:35
screen-xthey don't have to, the ubuntu live installer is pretty good at detecting windows installations.10:36
cheryljosiewhat i need is an overview of the existing encryption programs such as dm-crypt luks etc10:36
cheryljosieso i can learn how they work and configure manually10:37
diploSorry danfish multiple messages on the go on msn, all current installs are running on old PC's servers that are 7-10 years old10:37
cheryljosiei am also trying to mount an existing freeotfe volume with ntfs10:37
diploWant to combine them down to one VM box10:37
cheryljosieso anyone konw of a good encrption tutorial web page?10:38
popeycheryljosie: what aspect of encryption?10:39
cheryljosiewel for example should i be using a luks volume or lvm or should i just use dm-crypt and a simple partition10:40
popeyhmm, dont recally seeing a direct comparison recently10:40
screen-xcheryljosie: iirc luks uses dm-crypt.10:40
cheryljosiei am pretty sure i will just stick to straightforward aes(?) algorithm with aes hash10:40
screen-xencryption and volume management are separate problems, but lvm is more useful than partitions imho.10:41
cheryljosieprobably, and once i figure out how to configure a system properly i may eventually set up lvm but for now i am strictly in tutorial mode10:42
cheryljosieso specifically i want to know how to mount an encrypted volume that i can also access with freeotfe if possible10:43
* screen-x hasn't used freeotfe10:43
cheryljosieto date have not been able to understand encryption enough to mount a volume10:44
cheryljosiealthough i have manually partitioned and installed several linux versions beside a windows xp install10:44
cheryljosieprimarily using gparted cfdisk and grub etc10:45
danfishdiplo: sounds like a good idea. as you've got them running already on hardware, you could just graph their average loads etc over time10:45
screen-xcheryljosie: read the man pages for luksformat and cryptsetup (especially luksopen section)10:45
diployeah it's working out after, might just do that anyway10:46
cheryljosieok thanks i will read those i have not seen those man pages yet thanks very much i have just been reading the web page manuals and wiki and not getting anywhere so i will read those youreferred to10:47
nperryReally wish there was some sugar in this office, black coffee with no sugar just doesn't taste the same10:47
danfishI see what you mean "i've got 4 servers with 2gb RAM each, do I need one box with 8gb?"10:47
cheryljosieone other question what is the current encryption program i would like to be sure i am using current commands and driver etc rather than using obsolete10:48
cheryljosiei think using loop devices may be obsolete but i dont know the history10:48
cheryljosienor do i really understand loop devices10:48
screen-xcheryljosie: luks is current10:48
diploI reckon we could run them @ 512mb ram each and noone would notice tbh10:49
cheryljosieok if luks is current that is ok but does a luks volume hve a recognizeable signature10:49
screen-xdiplo: As long as they don't swap.10:49
cheryljosieone of the advantages of freeotfe is the volumes have no recognizable signature so an encrypted partition just looks like a wiped partition10:49
screen-xcheryljosie: you now want deniable encryption?10:50
cheryljosieyes10:50
cheryljosiecan luks do it?10:50
mgdmis it normal that if one person logs into an Ubuntu box, then does 'switch user', the second and subsequent people to log in don't get any sound?10:50
screen-xcheryljosie: haven't tried. I'm sure you could do stuff with offsets, so the beginning of the partition didn't look like the beginnig of a luks partition, but I don't know if it has a built in mechanism for that.10:52
cheryljosieso what about dm-crypt? is that deniable encryption capable?10:52
cheryljosiei guess what i plan is a fully encrypted ubuntu install with a deniable encryption home partition10:53
cheryljosiethat way even though i may have to reveal my login my data is still secure10:53
screen-xcheryljosie: as long as you had a plausable alternate home dir...10:54
cheryljosieyes of course10:54
screen-xcheryljosie: accoding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_encryption_software luks doesn't have hidden containers.10:54
danfishdiplo: probably - if you want really lean and mean then openvz10:59
davmor2morning all11:03
screen-x\o davmor211:04
cheryljosieyes i see... thanks11:07
screen-xcontrary to the topic, I am struggling to love printers at the mo.11:07
screen-xcheryljosie: :)11:07
cheryljosieunfortunately i am booting from a livecd of knoppix and none of the encryption modules are installed11:10
cheryljosieso the man pages are not accessible11:11
dauberscheryljosie: google man <command> more often than not they're there11:11
cheryljosiei did find a lengthy walk-through of how to install an encrypted ubuntu11:11
cheryljosieusing the alternate cd11:11
cheryljosieand it said it was for use with 10.0411:12
cheryljosieand that got me thinking that ubuntu even does not yet support auto install of encrypted os11:12
cheryljosieat least not point-and-click anyway11:13
cheryljosiei found it googling ubuntu encrypted home or something like that11:14
dauberscheryljosie: encrypted home is an install option11:14
cheryljosieand it looked comprehensive but not at all intuitive'11:14
cheryljosieanyway thanks for pointing out that luks does not support hidden containers actually it looks like none of the standard linux encryption packages does11:15
cheryljosieso i will end up using standard encryption for the os and home partitions and deniable encryption with a third party tool for the deniable encryption on the alternate home11:16
cheryljosiethanks that sorted out one big source of confusion for me11:16
cheryljosienow just one last question... if i am using a hidden container is there a way to limit the size of the 'fake' container so that i can continue using it without risking overwriting the deniable container?11:18
cheryljosiei know there is some sort of interleaving possible on advanced encryption where all the containers are interwoven11:19
cheryljosiebut i dont have any direct documentation of how to do that especially without corrupting other containers11:19
AlanBellcheryljosie: there is also http://manpages.ubuntu.com/11:52
kaushalhi everyone11:59
kaushalUbuntu 10.10 is Awesome11:59
X3Ngood good11:59
BigRedSOne day, I'm going to see if I can count all the man page mirrors on the net12:05
BigRedSI'm sure I've never used the same one twice12:05
screen-xBigRedS: I'm beginning to recognise the lens flare at the top of the ubuntu one.12:07
bigcalmSupernoodles are so super12:12
screen-xsuper MooDooles are superer12:12
bigcalmI have super saucy supernoodles, so saucy it's super12:14
bigcalmThese and pot noodles are the only time I choose to use a fork with noodles12:15
bigcalmHow odd12:15
bigcalmThey should be collectively known as lazy noodles12:15
bigcalmWho did the noodle dance?12:16
screen-xups parcel status: exception. I'd like to see a backtrace.12:16
bigcalmHeh12:17
screen-xahh EADVERSEWEATHERCONDITIONS12:17
cheryljosieawakening from my snooze... thanks for the manpages referen ce... i will check it out in the am once i wake up.. sweet dreams everyone and thanks12:18
bigcalmThe bottle of bown-nosing is almost with my boss12:18
screen-xcheryljosie: I wish I was in a timezone where it was nearly time to sleep.12:18
screen-xbigcalm: you sent a present to your bos? what is it?12:19
screen-xnosy screen-x is nosy.12:20
bigcalmscreen-x: http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-8288.aspx12:20
cheryljosieactually here it is nearly time to wake up... but for us on disability it does not make much difference when we sleep. nite all12:20
screen-xbigcalm: looks tasty :)12:22
bigcalmscreen-x: it's lovely stuff12:22
bigcalmReally warming12:22
popeybigcalm: did you see the cheffy thing where they showed how pot noodles are made?12:23
* BigRedS abandoned his Whiskey avoidance at london.pm last week12:23
BigRedSi wants moar now12:23
bigcalmpopey: nope. Does it make you want to never have another pot noodle?12:23
popeyno12:23
bigcalmPhew12:23
popeythey boil the noodles then deep fry them12:23
bigcalmCool!12:23
popeywhich removes the water and makes them all hard12:23
bigcalmHealthy12:23
popey:)12:23
mgdmnice12:23
bigcalmHi mgdm12:23
mgdm'lo bigcalm12:24
popeythen you add water to re-hydrate them12:24
popeyquite cunning really12:24
bigcalmI did wonder how they worked. But never wondered enough ;)12:24
mgdmI asked earlier, but on the off chance - if my girlfriend logs onto my computer first, then I switch user later, I get no sound 'til we both log off and on again - anyone else seen that?12:24
bigcalmSounds like something that would get shown in How it's Made12:24
* TheOpenSourcerer promotes his favourite single malt: http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-12085.aspx12:24
TheOpenSourcererAnd orders a couple of bottles (one for me and one for Dad).12:25
bigcalmmgdm: sounds like an ownership issue12:25
mgdmbigcalm: aye - it's really rather annoying12:25
bigcalmmgdm: tell her to stop using your machine :P12:25
mgdmheh12:26
bigcalmpopey: no graze box again :(12:26
BigRedSmgdm: Uselessly, I did have that on a box a while ago. But I didn't actually fix it12:26
bigcalmI'm going to have to move my order to Tuesdays so that I get it on Wednesday12:27
popey:( bigcalm12:28
popeybigcalm: did I mention I complained about mine not arriving on saturday12:28
popeythen it turned up on sunday!12:28
bigcalmTheOpenSourcerer, screen-x: King's Ginger is being given to several families this year. Now I want it to be the end of the day so I can have a tipple12:28
bigcalmpopey: aye, how nuts is that. Posties on over-time?12:28
dutchiebigcalm: well, you do work at home, so no-one would know...12:28
dutchie^^ student way of thinking12:29
bigcalmHaha12:29
bigcalmdutchie: I still have to answer the phone and get work done :)12:29
mgdmhttp://www.lovefilm.com/robots.txt \o/12:29
bigcalmI'm too sensible12:29
bigcalmmgdm: heh12:30
TheOpenSourcererI think my Mum would like that one actually bigcalm. Would make a fantastic Whiskey Mac I reckon.12:30
screen-xmgdm: I've seen the the 3 laws in robots.txt before, but I can't remember which site it was..12:31
popeymgdm: they ripped that off last.fm12:31
=== denny- is now known as denny
dwatkinsscreen-x: last.fm: http://www.last.fm/robots.txt12:31
dwatkinsheh12:31
popeywe interviewed jonty on the podcast (who made the last.fm robots.txt) and I meant to ask him about it12:32
mgdm well, aye - last.fm went for Asimov, they've gone for Robocop, there are more12:32
mgdmthere's one I saw with an ASCII art Bender in it12:33
screen-xheh12:33
TheOpenSourcererI just got a great deal via American Express. Just bought a case (12) of good wine, delivered, with a decent corkscrew - £39.9912:33
bigcalmThat would make for a good present. A Kindel pre-loaded with all of the books from the Robots and Foundation series12:33
dwatkinsbigcalm: that's an excellent plan12:33
* dwatkins notes the Foundation series is not available for Kindle12:34
bigcalm:O12:34
* dwatkins clicks the link to ask for it to be so12:34
dwatkinshttp://goo.gl/mDlpa is for Kindle, though, bigcalm12:35
bigcalmI can't bring myself to get a kindle. I'd forever want it to be a full tablet. Maybe I should buy a tablet12:36
dwatkinsI'm getting my other half one for christmas, she really likes the display and reads a lot12:36
bigcalmdwatkins: that's an interesting link12:36
bigcalmOh I dunno now :O12:36
* popey tickles bigcalm with an ipad12:37
dwatkinsyeah, that's the other thing - an iPad is a lot more expensive, wish I could get her one though12:37
screen-xcan't buy an ipad now, v2 (eyepad) is about to arrive!12:38
popeyi just bought a book on amazon and sent it to the ipad rather than the kindle :S12:38
dutchieevil popey is evil12:39
bigcalmWell, I've added the Kindle and leather case with light to my wish list. Maybe somebody will buy me one someday :)12:39
screen-xbigcalm: no backlight?12:39
bigcalmpopey: can you read your books in more than one electronic device?12:39
popeykindle books, yes12:39
bigcalmscreen-x: *shrug*12:39
popeyiphone, android, windows, osx, web, ipad... oh, and kindle :)12:40
screen-xpopey: simultaneously?12:40
popeyif you like12:40
popeyit syncs where you are in the book between devices too12:40
bigcalmSweet12:41
bigcalmNot sure if I could cope with reading books on my Nexus One12:41
popeywell12:41
popeyi suspect that the idea is that you can12:41
popeywhether you would..12:41
mgdmI had the app on my Desire for a bit12:42
popeyfor example if you went to bed reading on the kindle, and are now standing on the bus/train/whatever and dont want to get the kindle out, you can pull the phone out and carry on where you were12:42
mgdmit got replaced with aldiko and some epubs I got off O'Reilly in an offer12:42
MartijnVdSpopey: google's ebook stuff supports that too12:42
MartijnVdSpopey: maybe not on kindle, but at least on android/iphone/desktop12:42
popeyMartijnVdS: not outside the USA it doesnt12:43
popeyunless thats been fixed since I tried it12:43
MartijnVdSpopey: it works for out-of-copyright books :)12:44
popeynot when i tried it12:45
popeyit flat out refused to let me use it outside the usa12:45
* popey notes he can pretend to be in the usa via the work proxy12:45
MartijnVdSpopey: http://books.google.com/ebooks gives me lots of free ebooks to read, with "Read in browser"/"on device" links12:46
popeythats no use at all12:48
jpdspopey: You could always use Tor.12:49
popeyalso not much use12:50
popey"My eBooks (3)"12:51
popeynews to me12:51
MartijnVdSwhich 3? :)12:52
Davieybigcalm: I read a fiction book on my Hero. :)  ... I quite enjoyed it tbh.12:53
popeybah, tried to install it on "device" "The item you tried to buy is no longer available"12:53
MartijnVdSI'm sticking to my Sony PRS60012:53
popeyuseful12:53
bigcalmNeed some CSS help :S12:57
bigcalmI have a div that I don't want the text to wrap in. Rather it should clip on the right hand side12:58
bigcalmAny thoughs?12:58
mgdmoverflow: hidden?12:58
bigcalmThat might be the one12:58
bigcalmWhich attribute has no-wrap?13:01
mgdmwhite-space?13:02
bigcalmIt worked!13:02
bigcalmYay13:02
bigcalmIf it wasn't going to work, I would have resorted to replacing spaces with &nbsp;13:02
bigcalmWhich isn't a sane option13:03
bigcalmTa13:03
mgdmnp13:03
jelGuys... how do I alter an existing checkout pane?13:05
popeywut?13:07
andylockranhowdy13:12
popeyhowdy howdy howdy13:14
czajkowskidoody13:14
bigcalmYo ho ho13:15
* popey gets the rum13:15
screen-x\o/ found manflu tablets in my draw :)13:18
daubersMost of the xmas shopping now done13:24
* czajkowski stabs daubers 13:24
daubersczajkowski: ? The internet is your friend for these things13:24
daubersHow pointless is this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hasbro-40614-Cluedo-Harry-Potter/dp/B001D2VWCE/ref=sr_1_26?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1291814756&sr=1-2613:26
dauberswe all know Voldemort did it by now13:27
brobostigonafternoonings all.13:29
bigcalmMorning13:31
TheOpenSourcererJust started mine about 10mins ago. All I've bought so far is Booze :-D13:31
brobostigonhi bigcalm and TheOpenSourcerer13:32
brobostigonbooze :)13:32
TheOpenSourcererhey brobostigon how's it going?13:32
brobostigonTheOpenSourcerer: not bad, back and hip pain though. how about you?13:33
* TheOpenSourcerer thanks bigcalm for the suggestion of: http://is.gd/ioeyf that will be keeping my warm this xmas.13:33
bigcalmTheOpenSourcerer: Ta :P13:34
TheOpenSourcererbrobostigon: I'm well thanks. Busy, enjoying life and generally tickety boo really.13:34
brobostigonTheOpenSourcerer: :)13:36
* davmor2 prods czajkowski 13:39
* czajkowski wallops davmor2 13:41
* davmor2 cattle prods czajkowski 13:42
mgdm"tickety boo" sounds like an issue tracker13:42
czajkowskidavmor2: ouchies13:43
davmor2czajkowski: :) when you back now or this evening?13:44
czajkowskitonight some time13:44
ubuntuuk-planet[Laura Czajkowski] pgdayeu in Stuttgart - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/08/pgdayeu-in-stuttgart/14:04
ubuntuuk-planet[Laura Czajkowski] Rapid Month gone by - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/08/rapid-month-gone-by/14:04
TheOpenSourcererBlimey - he didn't last long... http://voices.canonical.com/matt.asay/2010/12/08/leaving-canonical/14:13
ali1234lol, don't let the door hit your asay on the way out14:16
dwatkinsperhaps they just used the wrong channel name14:17
dwatkinsmaybe they wanted to discuss Ubuntu in relation to the Ukraine14:17
Flashteko/14:20
* screen-x wonders about the silent lives of the super space people14:22
* Flashtek wonders..14:22
Apacheukafternoon all o/14:29
Flashtekyo14:29
brobostigonafternoonings Apacheuk14:29
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: who knows he might actually blog about ubuntu now that he doesnt work for canonical now14:29
TheOpenSourcererYeah - I'm not sure what he actually brought to the party in the end.14:31
screen-xParty \o/ http://ubunt.eu/c214:32
czajkowskiindeed14:33
czajkowskinot going :(14:33
TheOpenSourcererme neither :-(14:34
* screen-x can't make it either :(14:34
bigcalmLondon is a silly place any way14:34
bigcalmThese white choc chip cookies from ASDA are quite scrummy14:35
dwatkinsyeah, silly London and all those tens of thousands of people14:35
dwatkinshundreds of thousands, perhaps14:35
bigcalmMillions14:35
dwatkinsI suspected that but wasn't sure14:35
czajkowskibigcalm: and the transport14:35
bigcalmdwatkins: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=population+of+london14:36
dwatkinsindeed, bigcalm14:36
bigcalmScary14:36
* bigcalm gives czajkowski a cookie14:36
czajkowskiohh COOKIE14:37
czajkowskinyommy14:37
czajkowskithe only plus side to victoria staion i've found is the place that sells the cookies there14:37
bigcalmWith white choc14:37
czajkowskibigcalm: you know me so well :)14:37
bigcalmczajkowski: ;)14:37
screen-xlondon houses ~12% of the uk population. That's a bit of a meh value, its not really low or high.14:38
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: 3 weeks and 2 days till you lose that bet my dear alan14:43
TheOpenSourcererAhh Hah...14:44
TheOpenSourcererWatch this space :-)14:44
czajkowskigood14:44
czajkowskijus with the annuocments coming be nice to see the new14:44
daubersbet?14:48
Pendulumdaubers: it's probably something involving how much czajkowski can drink new years eve ;-)14:55
bigcalmHeh14:55
czajkowskilol14:56
czajkowskihmm new years will be arriving back into heathrow that day14:56
TheOpenSourcererSurely not. cz<tab> is virtually teetotal.14:56
czajkowskinot sure i'll even bother doing anything tbh, was more fun when I could work it in security in pubs/clubs14:56
czajkowskiTheOpenSourcerer: as much as you are14:57
TheOpenSourcereroooooh ;-)14:57
dogmatic69i am writing a php script that monitors server load and should send an email when it gets too high, what would be "too high" generally speaking?14:57
davmor2touché czajkowski14:59
TheOpenSourcererdogmatic69: If the 'load average' is over 1 consistently then it's probably too high.14:59
dogmatic69so the 5 min load is > 114:59
dogmatic69or even the 1 min load?15:00
mgdmdogmatic69: if the 5 minute average is greater than the number of CPUs the machine has for an extended peroid15:03
mgdmdogmatic69: so a load average of 4 on a 4-core box is fine15:03
dogmatic69ah ok15:03
dogmatic69you making it harder now :P15:03
mgdmheh15:03
screen-xdogmatic69: isn't that what nagios/insert-monitoring-system-here is for?15:03
dogmatic69why does load average not do the load / cores already?15:04
dogmatic69screen-x: this is for a open source app, so its the basics for people who cant/dont know how15:04
ApacheukI want to be able to access my machine while out and about but have a dynamic IP address from BT, even tho it doesn't change that often. Have thought about writing a small python script to check external IP address occasionally and email/txt/dm me if it changes. Am I jsut making work for myself?15:07
TheOpenSourcererdyndns15:07
screen-xApacheuk: yep, setup the dyndns client in your router (if it exists..)15:07
popey\o/ dyndns15:08
Apacheukdyndns... seems popular, is it FREE???15:08
popeyyes15:08
popeyand many domestic routers support it out of the box15:08
popeymine does :)15:08
davmor2popey: ditto for mine15:09
macoand for the ones that dont... um wait...tomato and dd-wrt exist in the uk right?15:09
popey\o/ ditto15:09
screen-xnone of the custom router distros support my router :( but it does have a built in dyndns client.15:10
popey!info ddclient15:10
lubotu3ddclient (source: ddclient): address updating utility for dynamic DNS services. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.8.0-11.1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 71 kB, installed size 372 kB15:10
Apacheuklooks like I have a compatible router too15:12
dwatkinsnot all corporate networks allow access to dyndns15:13
popeyI've never found one that didnt15:14
screen-xdwatkins: when would you be using dyndns in a corporate network?15:16
dwatkinsscreen-x: to access my bookmarks from my work laptop15:17
jpdsdwatkins: Do most corporate networks even allow out-going DNS from beyond their firewalls?15:17
screen-xdwatkins: but wouldn't that rely on the corporate network giving you a port forward?15:17
dwatkinsjpds: I would imagine they need to, but the one I'm thinking of returns 127.0.0.2 for all dyndns.org addresses, presumably because for simplicity15:18
dwatkinsscreen-x: port forwarding isn't necessary, I just need access to apache running on it15:18
dwatkinssimplicity as in "we can't be sure about these home systems, so let's just not let anyone get to them without editing their hosts file"15:19
dwatkinsmakes sense, you have to know what you're doing to use it15:19
screen-xdwatkins: ahhh.. I had it the wrong way round... I though you were running dyndns client on a laptop within a corprorate network...15:19
dwatkinsah I see, screen-x - I have done that before, though, to have a note of the internal address of a system on DHCP in another office15:20
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dwatkinsThe SpaceX craft launches, and supercosmonaut joins the channel.15:55
screen-xdwatkins: SpaceX craft?15:57
* screen-x googles15:58
dwatkinsyeah screen-x - fascinating stuff15:58
dwatkinsit just launched15:58
dwatkinshttp://www.spacex.com/webcast.php15:59
dwatkinsit was showing there15:59
AlanBellhttp://blog.canonical.com/?p=48516:15
AlanBellMatt Asay didn't stay long16:15
popeyheh16:15
popeycommon thought16:15
BigRedSThere's nothing apparently in my Applications menu that will let me just open and edit an image, which I'd consider wrong16:19
BigRedSbut I don't know against what to file a bug or who to prod about it. Is there a generic not-related-to-one-package way of making objectons like that?16:20
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screen-xBigRedS: can you not do that in f-spot or shotwell?16:30
klvehi16:30
klveanyone usin openbox here16:30
BigRedSscreen-x: there's no File->Open16:30
BigRedSonly file->Import16:31
BigRedSyou can double-click the image to get to some other image viewer, which can then open it in shotwell and edit it16:31
BigRedSbut that seemed far more convoluted than it should be16:31
klvewhats more stable between gnome and kde16:31
BigRedSI just wanted to crop a screengrab...16:31
klveor openbox16:31
BigRedSklve: in what sense of the word 'stable'?16:31
klveless buggy16:31
BigRedSopenbox is most unchanging16:32
klvedoesnt eat up a lot of memory16:32
BigRedSopenbox is lowest on memory, too16:32
BigRedSnone are particularly buggy, try each and see which suits you best16:32
BigRedSI think Gnome is traditionally lower-weight than KDE in terms of resources usage, but Gnome's shot up in that arena recently16:33
klveok16:36
ali1234kde is widget soup and often quite buggy due to their being more ways to do things than there are testers16:37
popeyhehe widget soup, like that16:37
directhexis there a special widget for kde that makes every settings screen have 1001 options?16:37
Azelphurpopey: apport doesn't seem to be catching my X crash, I ran sudo service apport start force_start=1 and got X to crash again, nothing in /var/crash :(16:40
mrxtian /msg NickServ mrxtian16:40
popeyfancy that Azelphur16:40
popeyhave you tried what I originally suggested?16:40
popeyoh no, because bryce didn't say so, forget that.16:40
Azelphurpopey: that is what you suggested...16:40
Azelphuryou said use apport16:40
Azelphurbut if you just want to be rude instead of trying to help go nuts16:41
popeyNo, I did _not_16:41
popeyi hinted in the direction of apport because you were dead set on ubuntu-bug16:41
danfishcustomer :"waiter, waiter, there's a fly in my widget soup" waiter:"install gnome then" :P16:41
popeyI suggested using the docs I linked to16:41
popeywhich don't use apport16:41
brobostigondanfish: hehe, i like, lol, :)16:41
* BigRedS has an experiment in kde lined up for when he gets home16:42
Azelphurpopey: so you hinted apport, you linked to documentation that says to use apport, but you didn't tell me to use apport?16:42
popeyi wasnt suggesting using apport16:42
Azelphurlol16:42
popeyyou were dead set on using whatever bryce told you to16:42
ali1234doing what bryce tells you to do is generally a good idea in my experience16:43
popeyi was trying to suggest you use something else and gave up because you were dead set16:43
popeyindeed, I agree16:43
Azelphurali1234: that's what I thought16:43
Azelphurpopey: obviously, because I didn't try what you hinted and linked to but didn't suggest16:43
ali1234however X is a real pita to debug16:43
popeyi didnt say dont do what bryce said,16:43
popeyjust tried to suggest what _I_ would have done16:43
Azelphurlol16:44
popeyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing the backtracing bit with gdb is what I have done16:44
Azelphurpopey: that's what I did in the first place, bryce requested a ubuntu-bug report so he could have all the additional information16:44
Azelphurthen you hinted/linked apport instead, which I did but didn't get anywhere with :)16:45
ali1234there is a way to make apport add the info to an existing bug16:45
popeythere is16:45
ali1234you don't have to retrigger crash16:45
popeywhich I detailed16:45
popeyhey ho, I'm wrong again \o/16:45
Azelphurali1234: heh I'm just trying to follow instructions here, all I asked was how to get ubuntu-bug to catch an X crash16:45
Azelphurit's taken 2 days so far to get an answer, crazy16:45
ali1234i have no idea16:46
ali1234i have no idea at all how you catch an X crash with even gdb16:46
popeyi dont think bryce was asking for that16:46
Azelphurhaha, I caught it with gdb16:46
popey16:44:50 < Azelphur> popey: that's what I did in the first place, bryce requested a ubuntu-bug report so he could have all the additional information16:46
popeyby "additional information" _I_ _think_ he means all the data about your system, not the crash16:46
popeyjust assuming, might be wrong16:46
Azelphuryea, I'd agree with that16:47
popeyif gdb has already been done and he has the crash dump then all you need is the system data16:47
ali1234report a bug on apport "apport doesn't catch X crashes"16:47
popey:)16:47
Azelphurhaha16:47
ali1234then mark your bug as blocked by that bug16:47
Azelphurali1234: how do I add the information after reporting?16:48
popeyI would use apport-collect (as I did suggest yesterday) to get that data16:48
Azelphurpopey: ok16:48
ali1234yeah, apport-collect, that's it16:48
ali1234i think it's just apport-collect <bug-number>16:48
popeyit is16:48
Azelphurexcept, the last time the word apport-collect was uttered in the channel was 15th of July16:48
* Azelphur runs :p16:48
popeyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000535.html16:48
AzelphurI love having logs, they come in handy16:48
AzelphurI'll get on that anyway, hopefully can get this one fixed :)16:49
popeylies16:49
popeylies lies lies lies lies16:49
screen-xremember kids, the topic is love..16:50
Azelphur /topic #ubuntu-uk love :p16:50
popeyirclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-uk.log:19:42 < popey> he probably meant apport-collect16:50
popeyirclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-uk.log:19:42 < Azelphur> popey: how do I do it with apport-collect?16:50
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Azelphurwhoops, was looking at the logs for ubuntu-x :x16:50
popeysorry alan16:51
popeythats okay16:51
popeylets move on16:51
* BigRedS ponders consuming an entire mug of coffee by dunking biscuits in it16:51
popeyBigRedS: sucking the coffee from the biscuit?16:51
screen-xchocolate fingers!16:51
BigRedSeating the biscuits16:51
screen-xthe finest conduit of tea16:51
popeyhow many dunks before the structural integrity of the biscuit is compromised?16:51
BigRedSscreen-x: there's an aussie version of penguin bars which is amazing for doing that16:52
screen-xoooh I've had one of those..16:52
BigRedSyou get an awesomely chocolately coffee, then a nicely coffee-tasting biscuit16:52
screen-xan Australian friend bought them over.16:52
BigRedStam tam or something IIRC16:52
popeyoooo16:52
popeywant16:52
screen-xthat's the one16:53
finelytunedevening all16:53
BigRedSTimTam!16:53
popeyWhat ho!16:53
screen-xfinelytuned: its food time in #lies16:53
finelytunedoh16:54
gordevery day i forget about putting the heating on in the afternoon :( *shivvers*16:58
popeytoday I learned something new16:58
popeyssh -n16:58
screen-xfor no shell?16:59
popeyfor backgrounding an ssh to a remote box to run a command there16:59
gordneat17:00
finelytunedi tild mum you could get it down17:00
popeyhuh?17:00
popeywrong window?17:00
finelytunedsorry17:00
finelytunedmy daughter hassling me in other window for me to get the tree down17:01
screen-xone thing I haven't worked out how to do with ssh is slave/master sessions. I think its possible to add tunnels to existing sessions, but haven't worked it out yet.17:01
popeyyes, you can17:02
popeyNg knows how17:02
popeythere's some magic keypresses ~ or ` or something...?17:02
BigRedS~. kills existing tunnels, I think17:02
BigRedS~s denote how far to go, ~~~. gets you to the fourth furthest away host17:03
danfishone thing I've not quite figured out is when you are running byobu on the host, and default byobu on the server, it goes a bit screwy.17:03
danfish^^with SSH17:03
screen-x<enter>~?17:03
screen-xgives some options, but create a tunnel/port forward is not among them.17:04
screen-xdanfish: I use nested byobu sessions without screwyness17:04
danfishscreen-x: must be my setup - I find when I remote into the server session, it starts scrolling the page for no reason17:05
Azelphurali1234: I created the bug report and ran apport-collect <bugid> it just says no additional information collected :(17:06
BigRedSnested screen sessions would confuse the hell out of me17:06
BigRedSwould? they do17:06
popeyi use nested byobu17:06
popeyssh to vps and from there to home17:06
popeyand sometimes from there to another box :)17:06
popey^A ^A ^A-d17:06
popey:)17:06
BigRedSAhhhhh17:07
BigRedSthat's where the confusion comes from17:07
* bigcalm wakes up17:07
bigcalmWhoops17:07
BigRedSjust repeated ^As17:07
popeyer17:07
popeyno17:07
screen-xI have "machinename" > "window name" at the bottom of every window.17:07
popey^A A A-d17:07
screen-x^A aaa17:07
BigRedSWhen I end up in nested screen sessions, they're on the same machine. I'm just half asleep and do  ^Rscree <enter>17:08
* danfish still likes byobu :)17:09
danfishshould be default on server IMO17:09
screen-xBigRedS: always use screen -x, then you won't end up with a nested session17:09
screen-xdanfish: byobu is still screen17:09
BigRedSscreen-x: ahhhh. I should probably man screen at some point17:10
BigRedScheers!17:10
danfishscreen-x: your nick says it all ;)17:15
screen-x\o/17:15
screen-xI choose it because it's a useful command, but It think I may change nick to something related to my actual name.17:16
danfishhmm, choosing nicks is a difficult one ie realname or pseudonym17:19
TheOpenSourcererping popey17:20
screen-xdanfish: I have hds registered, which is my initials, could use that.17:20
shaunoI find nicks easy; my mother already picked one, and I have little imagination :)17:20
screen-xshauno: do you have a uniqueness problem sometimes?17:21
shaunoonly when I tried to use my normal shortname, and drove soneill batty :)17:21
shauno(I have one less L)17:22
screen-xahh I can see that would be annoying..17:22
popeyTheOpenSourcerer: pong17:22
TheOpenSourcererpopey: Remember we talked about ssh sessions timing out over our home routers? Stick "ServerAliveInterval 120" in your ~/.ssh/config on the client end.17:22
popeynice, thanks17:23
screen-xgotta keep that NAT table record current.17:23
TheOpenSourcerer2 minute "ping" inside ssh.17:23
TheOpenSourcererThat's been bugging me for bloody ages.17:24
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: are you interested in the proposed ubuntu-uk/rugby meetup for the England/Ireland game with cz<tab>?17:27
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TheOpenSourcererdanfish: NOT ARF!17:27
popeywill there be beer?17:27
danfishmost excellent :D17:27
danfishpopey: no - I'm checking out alcohol-free venues :P17:27
popeywhen is it?17:28
TheOpenSourcererAhh, scratch that then danfish17:28
danfishpopey: sat 19th March17:29
popeyoh, years away17:29
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: the proposed location is Clapham for ease of transport and \o/ I happen to be in Clapham on Friday with nil to do in th afternoon but check out venues :)17:30
soneillhi shauno ;)17:30
screen-xheh17:30
screen-xWhere would you order cage nuts and bolts for a server rack from?17:30
TheOpenSourcererClapham is OK. Fairly sensible trains.17:31
TheOpenSourcererscreen-x: A cage-nut shop17:31
TheOpenSourcererscreen-x: I got mine from RS (but I bought a big bag) and it was a long time ago.17:31
screen-xok, thanks TheOpenSourcerer17:31
TheOpenSourcererTry eBay or somewhere too.17:32
popeyyeah, clapham is okay to get back from for me17:32
TheOpenSourcererI'me sure there'll be loads of places if you look around.17:32
popeyright, stuff this, home time17:32
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: It will be a chore, but a bearable one!17:32
danfishI know Clapham fairly well and the links are good17:33
TheOpenSourcererThink I can cope with that danfish. But did I hear that cz<tab> will be in attendance too?17:33
danfishTheOpenSourcerer: oh yes...and maybe MooDoo for battering17:34
danfishI remember TheOpenSourcerer and popey did some funky lamb marinating recipes a few weeks ago - fancy posting those to the beta ubuntu-uk recipe section?17:48
ubuntuuk-planet[Jonathan Riddell] FOSDEM Accommodation - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/436018:04
daubersEvening18:30
Pendulumhiya daubers18:32
AlanBello/ Pendulum18:51
Phineashi people19:11
brobostigonevening Phineas19:12
Phineasbrobostigon,  this channel is quiet todAY19:13
brobostigonPhineas: on and off,19:13
Phineasbrobostigon,  oh i see, do you know where i can dowm load a mp3 of theres a platypus controling me?19:14
Phineasbrobostigon,  or convert a video into mp319:15
brobostigonno idea. sorry.19:16
MartijnVdSPhineas: converting a video to mp3 would lose the video bit19:18
MartijnVdSPhineas: and only keep the audio19:18
MartijnVdSI'd use ffmpeg for that19:18
PhineasMartijnVdS,  ahh what do i do to conver the video to mp319:19
MartijnVdSffmpeg -i file.mp4 file.mp319:19
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MartijnVdSthat would be my starting point19:19
MartijnVdSthen look up ffmpeg command line options as needed (mp3 quality?)19:20
PhineasMartijnVdS,  quality of mp3, resonable but not to rubbish19:21
MartijnVdSPhineas: you'll have to look at some of the encoder options in ffmpeg then19:21
MartijnVdSPhineas: there are a LOT of tuneable parameters19:21
popeyffmpeg --sameq -i file.mp4 file.mp319:21
MartijnVdSpopey++19:21
popeyno loss in quality during conversion19:21
MartijnVdSpopey: i.e. "same bitrate"? or some magic value of quality? (where vbr is concerned)19:22
popeymagic :)19:22
popeyi have no idea19:22
MartijnVdSpopey: "sameq" is only for video, according to the manpage19:22
popeyi use it for all my conversions19:22
popeyoh bummer19:22
popey-b 192k   then19:22
popey:)19:22
popeyor something19:22
MartijnVdSif the audio track on your video is already mp3, you can use: -acodec copy19:23
MartijnVdSffmpeg -i foo.mp4 -acodec copy foo.mp319:23
MartijnVdSthat won't re-encode, just extract19:23
MartijnVdS(though mp4 is more likely to contain aac, avi might contain mp3 :))19:23
Phineasthe video is a flv19:23
MartijnVdSPhineas: what does just plain "ffmpeg -i file.flv" say? (please put it on pastebin)19:24
popeychances are its aac audio or mp3 inside the flv19:24
MartijnVdSit'll tell you the audio encodign19:24
PhineasMartijnVdS,  audio is acc format19:27
MartijnVdSPhineas: aac is also used by itunes (m4a), is that good enough?19:27
MartijnVdSor do you _really_ need mp3?19:27
PhineasMartijnVdS,  well if my pm3 player will take it (is it usaly does) then yeah its fine19:28
MartijnVdSffmpeg -i file.flv file.m4a :)19:29
MartijnVdSand if that doesn't work19:29
MartijnVdSffmpeg -i file.flv file.aac19:29
brobostigonpm3 player, :)19:29
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: ##politics "You have 3 PMs now?!"19:30
Phineasunsuported codec19:30
brobostigonMartijnVdS: hmm.19:30
anomnomnom_.19:30
MartijnVdSargh, aac-free ffmpeg19:30
MartijnVdSpopey: sounds familiar? :)19:30
PhineasMartijnVdS,  so what does that mean19:31
MartijnVdSPhineas: it means that the Ubuntu people have stripped support for AAC audio from ffmpeg for some reason (probably patents)19:31
MartijnVdSthere is a version that does work.. popey knows where to find it I think19:32
Phineasmp3 same output19:32
brobostigonmedibuntu ?19:32
popeyuhm19:32
popeyit should be able to read aac19:32
popeyjust not encode it19:32
Phineaspopey,  it tells me the sound is in aac format19:33
popeyok19:33
popeyconvert it to mp3 then19:33
Phineaspopey,  video:0kB audio:1440kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.002169%19:34
MartijnVdSisn't mp3 encoding (lame) the same: stripped because of patents ?19:34
popeyhmmm19:34
MartijnVdSthough that line implies that it worked19:34
brobostigonhence i suggested medibuntu ffmpeg.19:34
popeyPhineas: has it spat out an mp3?19:35
popeybrobostigon: its not the ffmpeg you need, its the libs19:35
popeyone moment19:35
Phineaspopey,  yeah but totem can't play the mp319:35
brobostigonpopey:true, good point,19:35
popeyhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535666/19:36
popeyi would add medibuntu and install ^^^ those packages19:36
popey!medibuntu19:37
lubotu3medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org19:37
Phineaspopey,  another os on my laptop? oh brother19:38
popeyno19:38
popeyits a repository19:38
popeyyou add the repo as per the web page and then install those packages and then you'll have the necessary bits to do encoding to mp3/aac19:39
Phineaspopey,  how do i add the repo?19:40
popeyhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu19:40
popeysee where it says "Adding the repository"19:40
popeypaste that into a terminal19:40
UndiFineDapt-add-rep<tab>19:40
Phineaspopey,  E: Command line option --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list is not understood19:41
Phineashumm19:41
popeydid you copy the entire lines?19:42
Phineaspopey,  yeah in the first grey box, put it into terminal and that happened19:43
popeywhat version of ubuntu you running?19:44
popeyplease pastebin the entire terminal window you just used19:44
Phineaspopey,  my bad i misscoppyed the command19:44
popeycool19:45
Phineaspopey,  now i have blooming updates19:45
popeyright, now sudo apt-get install.. that list of packages i pasted earlier here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535666/19:46
Phineaspopey,  all of them?19:46
BigRedSAt a guess, yes19:47
UndiFineDsudo apt-add-repository ppa:medibuntu-maintainers19:48
UndiFineDsudo apt-get --yes install app-install-data-medibuntu apport-hooks-medibuntu19:48
ali1234i haven't need to install medibuntu for ages. what does it actually give you these days?19:49
Phineaspopey,  right now lets see if ffmpeg will work now19:50
Phineaspopey,  E: Couldn't find package 4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu119:52
popeyali1234: aac encoding19:53
Phineaspopey,  humm thats fishy19:53
popeyPhineas: you pasted too much19:53
popeyyou need the lib* bits from the start of the lines, not the bits on the right19:54
popeyso sudo apt-get install libavcodec-extra-52 libavdevice-extra-52 libavfilter-extra-1 libavformat-extra-52 libavutil-extra-50 libpostproc-extra-51 libswscale-extra-019:57
popeyPhineas: ^^19:57
Phineaspopey,19:58
Phineaspopey,  E: Couldn't find package libavfilter-extra-119:58
popeyso libavfilter-extra then press tab19:58
popeyit may have been updated19:59
popeymight be -2 now19:59
AlanBell!info libavfilter-extra-120:00
Phineaspopey,  libavfilter0              libavfilter-extra-020:00
Phineaslibavfilter-dev           libavfilter-unstripped-020:00
lubotu3libavfilter-extra-1 (source: ffmpeg-extra): ffmpeg video filtering library. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:0.6-2ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 82 kB, installed size 200 kB20:00
AlanBell19:44 < popey> what version of ubuntu you running?20:01
kvarleyIs £40 for a wireless n (300 megabits per second) router reasonable?20:20
ali1234yeah20:21
ali1234if it's decent brand20:21
kvarleyis edimax a decent brand?20:21
ali1234never heard of it20:22
BigRedSAFAIK, it's quite reasonable20:22
jacobwedimax works well with Ubuntu20:22
BigRedSIt's a router in any case20:23
BigRedSif it talks in ethernet, we're laughing20:23
jacobwit'll work out of the box with newer Ubuntu releases, probably with the past two LTS releases I'd say20:23
jacobw300Mb/s ?! is than 802.11n + MIMO speeds?20:24
kvarleyI have no concerns with whether it'll work with linux - I have seen people say its a breeze via browser config20:24
kvarleyjacobw it's 801.11n - whats MIMO?20:24
BigRedSkvarley: It's a router, so there's no OS compatability to speak of. I think jacobw read 'router' as 'dongle' or something20:24
Jibadeehajust installed DockBarX - very impressed20:25
MartijnVdSkvarley: MIMO = multiple input / multiple output20:25
MartijnVdSit means it uses more than one antenna at a time to do cool magic to make the link faster20:25
kvarleyah ok20:25
jacobwyes, I did BigRedS, I've got an Edimax wireless USB adapter so that's what came to mind20:26
jacobwis there a new UUPC on the way?20:29
popeyyes20:32
zleapUUPC20:32
MartijnVdS!uupc20:32
popey!podcast20:32
lubotu3Grab the lastest Ubuntu UK Podcast from http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org20:32
zleapah20:32
* BigRedS finally emails daviey about mirroring that20:44
popey:)20:45
BigRedSwhich reminds me, that wiki page on mirroring is atrocious. can I edit it so it makes sense?20:45
popeyjust email podcast@ubuntu-uk.org20:45
popeyany of us can do it20:45
popeysure20:45
popeyit _is_ a wiki20:45
BigRedSit says at teh top that it's immutable20:45
BigRedSnot that I went as far as trying logging in20:45
popeyO RLY?20:45
popeythats why20:45
popeyyou need to login20:45
BigRedSahh, fair enough20:46
* DJones points BigRedS The webdesigner at https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-December/001132.html20:48
BigRedSDJones: BigRedS the webdesigner?21:07
BigRedSHave you seen my website?21:07
BigRedSAhhh, developer. Still, all I know is Perl21:07
BigRedSand hackish perl at that21:08
DJones:)21:08
* popey pokes Mez with a stick21:10
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markus_#blitzbasic.de21:17
popeywow21:17
brobostigonmarkus_: moin, wie kann wir dir helfen ?21:17
popeyblitzbasic, thats a blast from the past21:17
popeythe old #blitzbasic was on irc.blitzed.org21:18
popeydunno if it still is21:18
markus_nabend21:18
brobostigonpopey: i see.21:18
* popey still has a copy of blitzbasic21:18
markus_grade Xchat-gnome installiert. kennt jemand ein tutorial für den umgang mit irc? ^^"21:18
MartijnVdS!deutsch21:20
lubotu3In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.21:20
markus_thx21:21
* brobostigon grumbles at the adsl21:33
* BigRedS swears at dovecot again21:35
dennyhttp://youtu.be/WL5ud5_K-GY  # Doctor Who / Star Wars mash-up21:36
MooDooevening all21:38
brobostigonevening MooDoo21:39
brobostigono/21:39
MooDoopopey: i still use blitzbasic 3d :)21:39
popey!21:39
MooDoofirst time i saw blitxbasic was on the amiga :D21:39
popeyMooDoo: i kinda stopped using it when i switched to linux21:45
popeymaybe 9 years ago21:46
exobuzzi never used blitz, but ive used amos before!21:46
popeyahh amos21:46
popeynot used that for ~20 years21:46
exobuzzim unsure how long ago it was, but it could be around the same :)21:47
popeyamazed blitz is still alive21:47
popeyhmm, maybe not that long ago21:48
popeylast diary log on blitzbasic.com is 26/06/200521:48
popeyoh, thats me saying I dont use it21:48
exobuzz:)21:49
popeyblimey, new version came out in august this year21:52
MooDooblitz3d was updated recently21:54
popeybah, doesnt work on 64-bit21:55
popeywheee21:59
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ubuntuuk-planet[Ubuntu UK Podcast] S03E22  Long May It Wave - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/12/08/s03e22-long-may-it-wave/22:05
diploevening all22:08
BigRedSg'morning diplo22:15
diplomorning???22:15
diplo:D22:16
BigRedSThere's a locale joke in there somewhere22:16
diploheh22:16
BigRedSbut mostly I refuse to acknowledge times of day that don't sound jolly22:17
diploevening is jolly, means im not at work22:28
brobostigonnos da, sleep well.22:39
spritewas this irc offline earlier today?22:49
spriteoops wrong server22:50
ubuntuuk-planet[Alan Lord] SSH Sessions Timing Out? - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/12/08/ssh-sessions-timing-out/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ssh-sessions-timing-out23:06
BigRedSI like that the Amazon kindle app add involves her switching from iPhone to android23:11
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