[00:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Unity: An Ancient African Word Meaning Rocking - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/08/unity-an-ancient-african-word-meaning-rocking/
[06:42] <ball> Is there a Granbuntu?
[07:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Video Of Current Unity - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/08/video-of-current-unity/
[07:47] <daubers> Morning
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:13]  * MartijnVdS updates his natty box
[08:15] <kaushal> hi
[08:15] <kaushal> what does OSD stand for in Notify OSD ?
[08:16]  * daubers beats drupal with a stick
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: on screen display?
[08:16] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[08:16] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: any wiki doc
[08:16] <MartijnVdS> http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&q=define:OSD&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1
[08:21]  * daubers wonders why his blasted drupal thing is silently failing to login and not allowing him to do some admin tasks on the machine he is logged in as
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> \o/ php ;)
[08:22] <czajkowski> daubers: you need more tea clearly
[08:22]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if daubers needs to clear the cookie/session cache...
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> sounds like a reasonable suggestion
[08:23] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: On two machines?
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm.
[08:24] <daubers> I have a machine that is logged in, but that can't do things like delete users
[08:24] <daubers> the other machine fails login silently
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have you looked at the logs for the drupal server machine?
[08:26] <daubers> Hmmmmm "PHP Warning:  Unknown: POST Content-Length of 227 bytes exceeds the limit of -1048576 bytes in Unknown on line 0"
[08:26]  * daubers goes digging
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's an informative error message ;-)
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Corrupted/hacked php.ini maybe?
[08:28] <daubers> Ah ha!
[08:28] <daubers> I'd upped the post size limit last night, and instead of being 50M it had become 50505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050M
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> vi++ :)
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> 50i50M<ESC>
[08:29] <MartijnVdS> or something
[08:29] <daubers> Odd thing was, it was reporting correctly last night
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> is php running in a persistent mode?
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK - VirtualBox licensing will be changing, and for the better on initial inspection... http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=36778&p=164949%23p164949
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> hm.. for the better?
[08:30] <daubers> MartijnVdS: It's more or less default
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> it's Oracle isn't it?
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> daubers: default-apache-module or default-cgi :)
[08:31] <daubers> MartijnVdS: apache module :)
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> then it broke this morning when cron/logrotate restarted apache, I guess :)
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> USB 1.1 OHCI now part of the core (open source license). They've changed it to an extension-based model.
[08:32] <daubers> stupid thing
[09:23] <popey> morning ratfans
[09:27] <czajkowski> popey: ello ello
[09:30] <gord> morning all
[09:35] <danfish> hi ho
[09:38] <dwatkins> hi ho
[09:39]  * popey leaves for work
[09:40] <gord> its off to work he goes?
[09:41] <wintellect> ...with a bucket and spade and a hand grenade
[09:41] <wintellect> Hi Ho, Hi Ho...
[09:52] <JamesTait> Morning all. :)
[09:54] <popey> lo JamesTait
[09:55] <JamesTait> Hi popey, how's tricks?
[09:58] <danfish> how much of the stuck-in-snow etherpad stuff did you end up getting popey?
[09:58] <popey> almost zero :)
[09:59] <danfish> hah - but it was a fun list to make :)
[10:00] <danfish> I thought about buying some of those snow socks, but then realised 1) I'd still get stuck behind other cars without them and 2) It would then never snow again in my lifetime
[10:05] <popey> JamesTait: tickety boo thanks!
[10:07] <dwatkins> danfish: people seem to think this kind of weather is exceptional, but we've been having extreme winters (and summers) for years now
[10:07] <BigRedS> It's still (normally) kind of exceptional
[10:07] <BigRedS> of the order of <10 days per year of this sort of thing
[10:09] <gord> huh? no, winter is always like this, we have a cold bit in the middle of winter then it gets warmer again
[10:09] <BigRedS> I meant the whole snow thing
[10:09] <popey> -14 in bonnie scotland!
[10:09] <BigRedS> and people claiming an inability to get to work
[10:09]  * BigRedS is in the south, and perhaps biased
[10:09] <popey> \o/ the tropical south
[10:10] <popey> anyone here tried bitcoin?
[10:13] <Linuxsapien> so what nvidia card should I get, im tired of this screen flickering on and off all the time now :(
[10:18] <diplo> Anyone recommend a place to look up usage of VM's under KVM and how much I can load onto a box ?
[10:18] <diplo> Some way of calculating what loads etc a basic install etc
[10:21] <Linuxsapien> what repository are the ubuntu linux kernals under?
[10:26] <cheryljosie> hello anyone listening?
[10:26] <danfish> diplo: are you using that libvirt gui app - I think that will give you what you need
[10:27] <cheryljosie> need help with encryption
[10:28] <screen-x> morning :)
[10:28] <cheryljosie> hi
[10:29] <danfish> cheryljosie: ask your question and if someone can help I'm sure they will
[10:31] <cheryljosie> i need a full disk encryption overview. i have used freeotfe under microsoft but every time i try to read up on linux i get confused
[10:31] <diplo> danfish, trying to spec a server to run 2-4 virtual machines but not a huge budget
[10:31] <diplo> Trying to find a way of working out what can run on certain specs
[10:32] <danfish> are the servers/future VM's already running on their own hardware?
[10:33] <cheryljosie> i have several different ubuntu debian centos installations multiboot but none configured yet
[10:33] <cheryljosie> and trying to learn how to use encryption
[10:34] <cheryljosie> since still in research mode i want to just try mounting a couple of encrypted volumes
[10:34] <cheryljosie> butr so far i have not even used lvm just regular partitiolns
[10:35] <cheryljosie> and what confuses me is which encryption programs do what
[10:35] <screen-x> cheryljosie: the ubuntu alternate installer can setup full disk encryption,  partition encryption, or encrypted home dir.
[10:35] <cheryljosie> yes i know that it can but i am running experimental multiboot and i still have a windows partition i need to keep
[10:35] <cheryljosie> and all those desktop installers pretty much want to take over the whole hdd
[10:36] <screen-x> they don't have to, the ubuntu live installer is pretty good at detecting windows installations.
[10:36] <cheryljosie> what i need is an overview of the existing encryption programs such as dm-crypt luks etc
[10:37] <cheryljosie> so i can learn how they work and configure manually
[10:37] <diplo> Sorry danfish multiple messages on the go on msn, all current installs are running on old PC's servers that are 7-10 years old
[10:37] <cheryljosie> i am also trying to mount an existing freeotfe volume with ntfs
[10:37] <diplo> Want to combine them down to one VM box
[10:38] <cheryljosie> so anyone konw of a good encrption tutorial web page?
[10:39] <popey> cheryljosie: what aspect of encryption?
[10:40] <cheryljosie> wel for example should i be using a luks volume or lvm or should i just use dm-crypt and a simple partition
[10:40] <popey> hmm, dont recally seeing a direct comparison recently
[10:40] <screen-x> cheryljosie: iirc luks uses dm-crypt.
[10:40] <cheryljosie> i am pretty sure i will just stick to straightforward aes(?) algorithm with aes hash
[10:41] <screen-x> encryption and volume management are separate problems, but lvm is more useful than partitions imho.
[10:42] <cheryljosie> probably, and once i figure out how to configure a system properly i may eventually set up lvm but for now i am strictly in tutorial mode
[10:43] <cheryljosie> so specifically i want to know how to mount an encrypted volume that i can also access with freeotfe if possible
[10:43]  * screen-x hasn't used freeotfe
[10:44] <cheryljosie> to date have not been able to understand encryption enough to mount a volume
[10:44] <cheryljosie> although i have manually partitioned and installed several linux versions beside a windows xp install
[10:45] <cheryljosie> primarily using gparted cfdisk and grub etc
[10:45] <danfish> diplo: sounds like a good idea. as you've got them running already on hardware, you could just graph their average loads etc over time
[10:45] <screen-x> cheryljosie: read the man pages for luksformat and cryptsetup (especially luksopen section)
[10:46] <diplo> yeah it's working out after, might just do that anyway
[10:47] <cheryljosie> ok thanks i will read those i have not seen those man pages yet thanks very much i have just been reading the web page manuals and wiki and not getting anywhere so i will read those youreferred to
[10:47] <nperry> Really wish there was some sugar in this office, black coffee with no sugar just doesn't taste the same
[10:47] <danfish> I see what you mean "i've got 4 servers with 2gb RAM each, do I need one box with 8gb?"
[10:48] <cheryljosie> one other question what is the current encryption program i would like to be sure i am using current commands and driver etc rather than using obsolete
[10:48] <cheryljosie> i think using loop devices may be obsolete but i dont know the history
[10:48] <cheryljosie> nor do i really understand loop devices
[10:48] <screen-x> cheryljosie: luks is current
[10:49] <diplo> I reckon we could run them @ 512mb ram each and noone would notice tbh
[10:49] <cheryljosie> ok if luks is current that is ok but does a luks volume hve a recognizeable signature
[10:49] <screen-x> diplo: As long as they don't swap.
[10:49] <cheryljosie> one of the advantages of freeotfe is the volumes have no recognizable signature so an encrypted partition just looks like a wiped partition
[10:50] <screen-x> cheryljosie: you now want deniable encryption?
[10:50] <cheryljosie> yes
[10:50] <cheryljosie> can luks do it?
[10:50] <mgdm> is it normal that if one person logs into an Ubuntu box, then does 'switch user', the second and subsequent people to log in don't get any sound?
[10:52] <screen-x> cheryljosie: haven't tried. I'm sure you could do stuff with offsets, so the beginning of the partition didn't look like the beginnig of a luks partition, but I don't know if it has a built in mechanism for that.
[10:52] <cheryljosie> so what about dm-crypt? is that deniable encryption capable?
[10:53] <cheryljosie> i guess what i plan is a fully encrypted ubuntu install with a deniable encryption home partition
[10:53] <cheryljosie> that way even though i may have to reveal my login my data is still secure
[10:54] <screen-x> cheryljosie: as long as you had a plausable alternate home dir...
[10:54] <cheryljosie> yes of course
[10:54] <screen-x> cheryljosie: accoding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_encryption_software luks doesn't have hidden containers.
[10:59] <danfish> diplo: probably - if you want really lean and mean then openvz
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:04] <screen-x> \o davmor2
[11:07] <cheryljosie> yes i see... thanks
[11:07] <screen-x> contrary to the topic, I am struggling to love printers at the mo.
[11:07] <screen-x> cheryljosie: :)
[11:10] <cheryljosie> unfortunately i am booting from a livecd of knoppix and none of the encryption modules are installed
[11:11] <cheryljosie> so the man pages are not accessible
[11:11] <daubers> cheryljosie: google man <command> more often than not they're there
[11:11] <cheryljosie> i did find a lengthy walk-through of how to install an encrypted ubuntu
[11:11] <cheryljosie> using the alternate cd
[11:12] <cheryljosie> and it said it was for use with 10.04
[11:12] <cheryljosie> and that got me thinking that ubuntu even does not yet support auto install of encrypted os
[11:13] <cheryljosie> at least not point-and-click anyway
[11:14] <cheryljosie> i found it googling ubuntu encrypted home or something like that
[11:14] <daubers> cheryljosie: encrypted home is an install option
[11:14] <cheryljosie> and it looked comprehensive but not at all intuitive'
[11:15] <cheryljosie> anyway thanks for pointing out that luks does not support hidden containers actually it looks like none of the standard linux encryption packages does
[11:16] <cheryljosie> so i will end up using standard encryption for the os and home partitions and deniable encryption with a third party tool for the deniable encryption on the alternate home
[11:16] <cheryljosie> thanks that sorted out one big source of confusion for me
[11:18] <cheryljosie> now just one last question... if i am using a hidden container is there a way to limit the size of the 'fake' container so that i can continue using it without risking overwriting the deniable container?
[11:19] <cheryljosie> i know there is some sort of interleaving possible on advanced encryption where all the containers are interwoven
[11:19] <cheryljosie> but i dont have any direct documentation of how to do that especially without corrupting other containers
[11:52] <AlanBell> cheryljosie: there is also http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[11:59] <kaushal> hi everyone
[11:59] <kaushal> Ubuntu 10.10 is Awesome
[11:59] <X3N> good good
[12:05] <BigRedS> One day, I'm going to see if I can count all the man page mirrors on the net
[12:05] <BigRedS> I'm sure I've never used the same one twice
[12:07] <screen-x> BigRedS: I'm beginning to recognise the lens flare at the top of the ubuntu one.
[12:12] <bigcalm> Supernoodles are so super
[12:12] <screen-x> super MooDooles are superer
[12:14] <bigcalm> I have super saucy supernoodles, so saucy it's super
[12:15] <bigcalm> These and pot noodles are the only time I choose to use a fork with noodles
[12:15] <bigcalm> How odd
[12:15] <bigcalm> They should be collectively known as lazy noodles
[12:16] <bigcalm> Who did the noodle dance?
[12:16] <screen-x> ups parcel status: exception. I'd like to see a backtrace.
[12:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:17] <screen-x> ahh EADVERSEWEATHERCONDITIONS
[12:18] <cheryljosie> awakening from my snooze... thanks for the manpages referen ce... i will check it out in the am once i wake up.. sweet dreams everyone and thanks
[12:18] <bigcalm> The bottle of bown-nosing is almost with my boss
[12:18] <screen-x> cheryljosie: I wish I was in a timezone where it was nearly time to sleep.
[12:19] <screen-x> bigcalm: you sent a present to your bos? what is it?
[12:20] <screen-x> nosy screen-x is nosy.
[12:20] <bigcalm> screen-x: http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-8288.aspx
[12:20] <cheryljosie> actually here it is nearly time to wake up... but for us on disability it does not make much difference when we sleep. nite all
[12:22] <screen-x> bigcalm: looks tasty :)
[12:22] <bigcalm> screen-x: it's lovely stuff
[12:22] <bigcalm> Really warming
[12:23] <popey> bigcalm: did you see the cheffy thing where they showed how pot noodles are made?
[12:23]  * BigRedS abandoned his Whiskey avoidance at london.pm last week
[12:23] <BigRedS> i wants moar now
[12:23] <bigcalm> popey: nope. Does it make you want to never have another pot noodle?
[12:23] <popey> no
[12:23] <bigcalm> Phew
[12:23] <popey> they boil the noodles then deep fry them
[12:23] <bigcalm> Cool!
[12:23] <popey> which removes the water and makes them all hard
[12:23] <bigcalm> Healthy
[12:23] <popey> :)
[12:23] <mgdm> nice
[12:23] <bigcalm> Hi mgdm
[12:24] <mgdm> 'lo bigcalm
[12:24] <popey> then you add water to re-hydrate them
[12:24] <popey> quite cunning really
[12:24] <bigcalm> I did wonder how they worked. But never wondered enough ;)
[12:24] <mgdm> I asked earlier, but on the off chance - if my girlfriend logs onto my computer first, then I switch user later, I get no sound 'til we both log off and on again - anyone else seen that?
[12:24] <bigcalm> Sounds like something that would get shown in How it's Made
[12:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer promotes his favourite single malt: http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-12085.aspx
[12:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> And orders a couple of bottles (one for me and one for Dad).
[12:25] <bigcalm> mgdm: sounds like an ownership issue
[12:25] <mgdm> bigcalm: aye - it's really rather annoying
[12:25] <bigcalm> mgdm: tell her to stop using your machine :P
[12:26] <mgdm> heh
[12:26] <bigcalm> popey: no graze box again :(
[12:26] <BigRedS> mgdm: Uselessly, I did have that on a box a while ago. But I didn't actually fix it
[12:27] <bigcalm> I'm going to have to move my order to Tuesdays so that I get it on Wednesday
[12:28] <popey> :( bigcalm
[12:28] <popey> bigcalm: did I mention I complained about mine not arriving on saturday
[12:28] <popey> then it turned up on sunday!
[12:28] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer, screen-x: King's Ginger is being given to several families this year. Now I want it to be the end of the day so I can have a tipple
[12:28] <bigcalm> popey: aye, how nuts is that. Posties on over-time?
[12:28] <dutchie> bigcalm: well, you do work at home, so no-one would know...
[12:29] <dutchie> ^^ student way of thinking
[12:29] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:29] <bigcalm> dutchie: I still have to answer the phone and get work done :)
[12:29] <mgdm> http://www.lovefilm.com/robots.txt \o/
[12:29] <bigcalm> I'm too sensible
[12:30] <bigcalm> mgdm: heh
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think my Mum would like that one actually bigcalm. Would make a fantastic Whiskey Mac I reckon.
[12:31] <screen-x> mgdm: I've seen the the 3 laws in robots.txt before, but I can't remember which site it was..
[12:31] <popey> mgdm: they ripped that off last.fm
[12:31] <dwatkins> screen-x: last.fm: http://www.last.fm/robots.txt
[12:31] <dwatkins> heh
[12:32] <popey> we interviewed jonty on the podcast (who made the last.fm robots.txt) and I meant to ask him about it
[12:32] <mgdm>  well, aye - last.fm went for Asimov, they've gone for Robocop, there are more
[12:33] <mgdm> there's one I saw with an ASCII art Bender in it
[12:33] <screen-x> heh
[12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just got a great deal via American Express. Just bought a case (12) of good wine, delivered, with a decent corkscrew - £39.99
[12:33] <bigcalm> That would make for a good present. A Kindel pre-loaded with all of the books from the Robots and Foundation series
[12:33] <dwatkins> bigcalm: that's an excellent plan
[12:34]  * dwatkins notes the Foundation series is not available for Kindle
[12:34] <bigcalm> :O
[12:34]  * dwatkins clicks the link to ask for it to be so
[12:35] <dwatkins> http://goo.gl/mDlpa is for Kindle, though, bigcalm
[12:36] <bigcalm> I can't bring myself to get a kindle. I'd forever want it to be a full tablet. Maybe I should buy a tablet
[12:36] <dwatkins> I'm getting my other half one for christmas, she really likes the display and reads a lot
[12:36] <bigcalm> dwatkins: that's an interesting link
[12:36] <bigcalm> Oh I dunno now :O
[12:37]  * popey tickles bigcalm with an ipad
[12:37] <dwatkins> yeah, that's the other thing - an iPad is a lot more expensive, wish I could get her one though
[12:38] <screen-x> can't buy an ipad now, v2 (eyepad) is about to arrive!
[12:38] <popey> i just bought a book on amazon and sent it to the ipad rather than the kindle :S
[12:39] <dutchie> evil popey is evil
[12:39] <bigcalm> Well, I've added the Kindle and leather case with light to my wish list. Maybe somebody will buy me one someday :)
[12:39] <screen-x> bigcalm: no backlight?
[12:39] <bigcalm> popey: can you read your books in more than one electronic device?
[12:39] <popey> kindle books, yes
[12:39] <bigcalm> screen-x: *shrug*
[12:40] <popey> iphone, android, windows, osx, web, ipad... oh, and kindle :)
[12:40] <screen-x> popey: simultaneously?
[12:40] <popey> if you like
[12:40] <popey> it syncs where you are in the book between devices too
[12:41] <bigcalm> Sweet
[12:41] <bigcalm> Not sure if I could cope with reading books on my Nexus One
[12:41] <popey> well
[12:41] <popey> i suspect that the idea is that you can
[12:41] <popey> whether you would..
[12:42] <mgdm> I had the app on my Desire for a bit
[12:42] <popey> for example if you went to bed reading on the kindle, and are now standing on the bus/train/whatever and dont want to get the kindle out, you can pull the phone out and carry on where you were
[12:42] <mgdm> it got replaced with aldiko and some epubs I got off O'Reilly in an offer
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: google's ebook stuff supports that too
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe not on kindle, but at least on android/iphone/desktop
[12:43] <popey> MartijnVdS: not outside the USA it doesnt
[12:43] <popey> unless thats been fixed since I tried it
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: it works for out-of-copyright books :)
[12:45] <popey> not when i tried it
[12:45] <popey> it flat out refused to let me use it outside the usa
[12:45]  * popey notes he can pretend to be in the usa via the work proxy
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://books.google.com/ebooks gives me lots of free ebooks to read, with "Read in browser"/"on device" links
[12:48] <popey> thats no use at all
[12:49] <jpds> popey: You could always use Tor.
[12:50] <popey> also not much use
[12:51] <popey> "My eBooks (3)"
[12:51] <popey> news to me
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> which 3? :)
[12:53] <Daviey> bigcalm: I read a fiction book on my Hero. :)  ... I quite enjoyed it tbh.
[12:53] <popey> bah, tried to install it on "device" "The item you tried to buy is no longer available"
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> I'm sticking to my Sony PRS600
[12:53] <popey> useful
[12:57] <bigcalm> Need some CSS help :S
[12:58] <bigcalm> I have a div that I don't want the text to wrap in. Rather it should clip on the right hand side
[12:58] <bigcalm> Any thoughs?
[12:58] <mgdm> overflow: hidden?
[12:58] <bigcalm> That might be the one
[13:01] <bigcalm> Which attribute has no-wrap?
[13:02] <mgdm> white-space?
[13:02] <bigcalm> It worked!
[13:02] <bigcalm> Yay
[13:02] <bigcalm> If it wasn't going to work, I would have resorted to replacing spaces with &nbsp;
[13:03] <bigcalm> Which isn't a sane option
[13:03] <bigcalm> Ta
[13:03] <mgdm> np
[13:05] <jel> Guys... how do I alter an existing checkout pane?
[13:07] <popey> wut?
[13:12] <andylockran> howdy
[13:14] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[13:14] <czajkowski> doody
[13:15] <bigcalm> Yo ho ho
[13:15]  * popey gets the rum
[13:18] <screen-x> \o/ found manflu tablets in my draw :)
[13:24] <daubers> Most of the xmas shopping now done
[13:24]  * czajkowski stabs daubers 
[13:24] <daubers> czajkowski: ? The internet is your friend for these things
[13:26] <daubers> How pointless is this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hasbro-40614-Cluedo-Harry-Potter/dp/B001D2VWCE/ref=sr_1_26?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1291814756&sr=1-26
[13:27] <daubers> we all know Voldemort did it by now
[13:29] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:31] <bigcalm> Morning
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just started mine about 10mins ago. All I've bought so far is Booze :-D
[13:32] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm and TheOpenSourcerer
[13:32] <brobostigon> booze :)
[13:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> hey brobostigon how's it going?
[13:33] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: not bad, back and hip pain though. how about you?
[13:33]  * TheOpenSourcerer thanks bigcalm for the suggestion of: http://is.gd/ioeyf that will be keeping my warm this xmas.
[13:34] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: Ta :P
[13:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> brobostigon: I'm well thanks. Busy, enjoying life and generally tickety boo really.
[13:36] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: :)
[13:39]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[13:41]  * czajkowski wallops davmor2 
[13:42]  * davmor2 cattle prods czajkowski 
[13:42] <mgdm> "tickety boo" sounds like an issue tracker
[13:43] <czajkowski> davmor2: ouchies
[13:44] <davmor2> czajkowski: :) when you back now or this evening?
[13:44] <czajkowski> tonight some time
[14:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] pgdayeu in Stuttgart - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/08/pgdayeu-in-stuttgart/
[14:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Rapid Month gone by - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/08/rapid-month-gone-by/
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Blimey - he didn't last long... http://voices.canonical.com/matt.asay/2010/12/08/leaving-canonical/
[14:16] <ali1234> lol, don't let the door hit your asay on the way out
[14:17] <dwatkins> perhaps they just used the wrong channel name
[14:17] <dwatkins> maybe they wanted to discuss Ubuntu in relation to the Ukraine
[14:20] <Flashtek> o/
[14:22]  * screen-x wonders about the silent lives of the super space people
[14:22]  * Flashtek wonders..
[14:29] <Apacheuk> afternoon all o/
[14:29] <Flashtek> yo
[14:29] <brobostigon> afternoonings Apacheuk
[14:29] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: who knows he might actually blog about ubuntu now that he doesnt work for canonical now
[14:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - I'm not sure what he actually brought to the party in the end.
[14:32] <screen-x> Party \o/ http://ubunt.eu/c2
[14:33] <czajkowski> indeed
[14:33] <czajkowski> not going :(
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> me neither :-(
[14:34]  * screen-x can't make it either :(
[14:34] <bigcalm> London is a silly place any way
[14:35] <bigcalm> These white choc chip cookies from ASDA are quite scrummy
[14:35] <dwatkins> yeah, silly London and all those tens of thousands of people
[14:35] <dwatkins> hundreds of thousands, perhaps
[14:35] <bigcalm> Millions
[14:35] <dwatkins> I suspected that but wasn't sure
[14:35] <czajkowski> bigcalm: and the transport
[14:36] <bigcalm> dwatkins: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=population+of+london
[14:36] <dwatkins> indeed, bigcalm
[14:36] <bigcalm> Scary
[14:36]  * bigcalm gives czajkowski  a cookie
[14:37] <czajkowski> ohh COOKIE
[14:37] <czajkowski> nyommy
[14:37] <czajkowski> the only plus side to victoria staion i've found is the place that sells the cookies there
[14:37] <bigcalm> With white choc
[14:37] <czajkowski> bigcalm: you know me so well :)
[14:37] <bigcalm> czajkowski: ;)
[14:38] <screen-x> london houses ~12% of the uk population. That's a bit of a meh value, its not really low or high.
[14:43] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: 3 weeks and 2 days till you lose that bet my dear alan
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh Hah...
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Watch this space :-)
[14:44] <czajkowski> good
[14:44] <czajkowski> jus with the annuocments coming be nice to see the new
[14:48] <daubers> bet?
[14:55] <Pendulum> daubers: it's probably something involving how much czajkowski can drink new years eve ;-)
[14:55] <bigcalm> Heh
[14:56] <czajkowski> lol
[14:56] <czajkowski> hmm new years will be arriving back into heathrow that day
[14:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Surely not. cz<tab> is virtually teetotal.
[14:56] <czajkowski> not sure i'll even bother doing anything tbh, was more fun when I could work it in security in pubs/clubs
[14:57] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: as much as you are
[14:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> oooooh ;-)
[14:57] <dogmatic69> i am writing a php script that monitors server load and should send an email when it gets too high, what would be "too high" generally speaking?
[14:59] <davmor2> touché czajkowski
[14:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69: If the 'load average' is over 1 consistently then it's probably too high.
[14:59] <dogmatic69> so the 5 min load is > 1
[15:00] <dogmatic69> or even the 1 min load?
[15:03] <mgdm> dogmatic69: if the 5 minute average is greater than the number of CPUs the machine has for an extended peroid
[15:03] <mgdm> dogmatic69: so a load average of 4 on a 4-core box is fine
[15:03] <dogmatic69> ah ok
[15:03] <dogmatic69> you making it harder now :P
[15:03] <mgdm> heh
[15:03] <screen-x> dogmatic69: isn't that what nagios/insert-monitoring-system-here is for?
[15:04] <dogmatic69> why does load average not do the load / cores already?
[15:04] <dogmatic69> screen-x: this is for a open source app, so its the basics for people who cant/dont know how
[15:07] <Apacheuk> I want to be able to access my machine while out and about but have a dynamic IP address from BT, even tho it doesn't change that often. Have thought about writing a small python script to check external IP address occasionally and email/txt/dm me if it changes. Am I jsut making work for myself?
[15:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> dyndns
[15:07] <screen-x> Apacheuk: yep, setup the dyndns client in your router (if it exists..)
[15:08] <popey> \o/ dyndns
[15:08] <Apacheuk> dyndns... seems popular, is it FREE???
[15:08] <popey> yes
[15:08] <popey> and many domestic routers support it out of the box
[15:08] <popey> mine does :)
[15:09] <davmor2> popey: ditto for mine
[15:09] <maco> and for the ones that dont... um wait...tomato and dd-wrt exist in the uk right?
[15:09] <popey> \o/ ditto
[15:10] <screen-x> none of the custom router distros support my router :( but it does have a built in dyndns client.
[15:10] <popey> !info ddclient
[15:12] <Apacheuk> looks like I have a compatible router too
[15:13] <dwatkins> not all corporate networks allow access to dyndns
[15:14] <popey> I've never found one that didnt
[15:16] <screen-x> dwatkins: when would you be using dyndns in a corporate network?
[15:17] <dwatkins> screen-x: to access my bookmarks from my work laptop
[15:17] <jpds> dwatkins: Do most corporate networks even allow out-going DNS from beyond their firewalls?
[15:17] <screen-x> dwatkins: but wouldn't that rely on the corporate network giving you a port forward?
[15:18] <dwatkins> jpds: I would imagine they need to, but the one I'm thinking of returns 127.0.0.2 for all dyndns.org addresses, presumably because for simplicity
[15:18] <dwatkins> screen-x: port forwarding isn't necessary, I just need access to apache running on it
[15:19] <dwatkins> simplicity as in "we can't be sure about these home systems, so let's just not let anyone get to them without editing their hosts file"
[15:19] <dwatkins> makes sense, you have to know what you're doing to use it
[15:19] <screen-x> dwatkins: ahhh.. I had it the wrong way round... I though you were running dyndns client on a laptop within a corprorate network...
[15:20] <dwatkins> ah I see, screen-x - I have done that before, though, to have a note of the internal address of a system on DHCP in another office
[15:55] <dwatkins> The SpaceX craft launches, and supercosmonaut joins the channel.
[15:57] <screen-x> dwatkins: SpaceX craft?
[15:58]  * screen-x googles
[15:58] <dwatkins> yeah screen-x - fascinating stuff
[15:58] <dwatkins> it just launched
[15:59] <dwatkins> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
[15:59] <dwatkins> it was showing there
[16:15] <AlanBell> http://blog.canonical.com/?p=485
[16:15] <AlanBell> Matt Asay didn't stay long
[16:15] <popey> heh
[16:15] <popey> common thought
[16:19] <BigRedS> There's nothing apparently in my Applications menu that will let me just open and edit an image, which I'd consider wrong
[16:20] <BigRedS> but I don't know against what to file a bug or who to prod about it. Is there a generic not-related-to-one-package way of making objectons like that?
[16:30] <screen-x> BigRedS: can you not do that in f-spot or shotwell?
[16:30] <klve> hi
[16:30] <klve> anyone usin openbox here
[16:30] <BigRedS> screen-x: there's no File->Open
[16:31] <BigRedS> only file->Import
[16:31] <BigRedS> you can double-click the image to get to some other image viewer, which can then open it in shotwell and edit it
[16:31] <BigRedS> but that seemed far more convoluted than it should be
[16:31] <klve> whats more stable between gnome and kde
[16:31] <BigRedS> I just wanted to crop a screengrab...
[16:31] <klve> or openbox
[16:31] <BigRedS> klve: in what sense of the word 'stable'?
[16:31] <klve> less buggy
[16:32] <BigRedS> openbox is most unchanging
[16:32] <klve> doesnt eat up a lot of memory
[16:32] <BigRedS> openbox is lowest on memory, too
[16:32] <BigRedS> none are particularly buggy, try each and see which suits you best
[16:33] <BigRedS> I think Gnome is traditionally lower-weight than KDE in terms of resources usage, but Gnome's shot up in that arena recently
[16:36] <klve> ok
[16:37] <ali1234> kde is widget soup and often quite buggy due to their being more ways to do things than there are testers
[16:37] <popey> hehe widget soup, like that
[16:37] <directhex> is there a special widget for kde that makes every settings screen have 1001 options?
[16:40] <Azelphur> popey: apport doesn't seem to be catching my X crash, I ran sudo service apport start force_start=1 and got X to crash again, nothing in /var/crash :(
[16:40] <mrxtian>  /msg NickServ mrxtian
[16:40] <popey> fancy that Azelphur
[16:40] <popey> have you tried what I originally suggested?
[16:40] <popey> oh no, because bryce didn't say so, forget that.
[16:40] <Azelphur> popey: that is what you suggested...
[16:40] <Azelphur> you said use apport
[16:41] <Azelphur> but if you just want to be rude instead of trying to help go nuts
[16:41] <popey> No, I did _not_
[16:41] <popey> i hinted in the direction of apport because you were dead set on ubuntu-bug
[16:41] <danfish> customer :"waiter, waiter, there's a fly in my widget soup" waiter:"install gnome then" :P
[16:41] <popey> I suggested using the docs I linked to
[16:41] <popey> which don't use apport
[16:41] <brobostigon> danfish: hehe, i like, lol, :)
[16:42]  * BigRedS has an experiment in kde lined up for when he gets home
[16:42] <Azelphur> popey: so you hinted apport, you linked to documentation that says to use apport, but you didn't tell me to use apport?
[16:42] <popey> i wasnt suggesting using apport
[16:42] <Azelphur> lol
[16:42] <popey> you were dead set on using whatever bryce told you to
[16:43] <ali1234> doing what bryce tells you to do is generally a good idea in my experience
[16:43] <popey> i was trying to suggest you use something else and gave up because you were dead set
[16:43] <popey> indeed, I agree
[16:43] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's what I thought
[16:43] <Azelphur> popey: obviously, because I didn't try what you hinted and linked to but didn't suggest
[16:43] <ali1234> however X is a real pita to debug
[16:43] <popey> i didnt say dont do what bryce said,
[16:43] <popey> just tried to suggest what _I_ would have done
[16:44] <Azelphur> lol
[16:44] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing the backtracing bit with gdb is what I have done
[16:44] <Azelphur> popey: that's what I did in the first place, bryce requested a ubuntu-bug report so he could have all the additional information
[16:45] <Azelphur> then you hinted/linked apport instead, which I did but didn't get anywhere with :)
[16:45] <ali1234> there is a way to make apport add the info to an existing bug
[16:45] <popey> there is
[16:45] <ali1234> you don't have to retrigger crash
[16:45] <popey> which I detailed
[16:45] <popey> hey ho, I'm wrong again \o/
[16:45] <Azelphur> ali1234: heh I'm just trying to follow instructions here, all I asked was how to get ubuntu-bug to catch an X crash
[16:45] <Azelphur> it's taken 2 days so far to get an answer, crazy
[16:46] <ali1234> i have no idea
[16:46] <ali1234> i have no idea at all how you catch an X crash with even gdb
[16:46] <popey> i dont think bryce was asking for that
[16:46] <Azelphur> haha, I caught it with gdb
[16:46] <popey> 16:44:50 < Azelphur> popey: that's what I did in the first place, bryce requested a ubuntu-bug report so he could have all the additional information
[16:46] <popey> by "additional information" _I_ _think_ he means all the data about your system, not the crash
[16:46] <popey> just assuming, might be wrong
[16:47] <Azelphur> yea, I'd agree with that
[16:47] <popey> if gdb has already been done and he has the crash dump then all you need is the system data
[16:47] <ali1234> report a bug on apport "apport doesn't catch X crashes"
[16:47] <popey> :)
[16:47] <Azelphur> haha
[16:47] <ali1234> then mark your bug as blocked by that bug
[16:48] <Azelphur> ali1234: how do I add the information after reporting?
[16:48] <popey> I would use apport-collect (as I did suggest yesterday) to get that data
[16:48] <Azelphur> popey: ok
[16:48] <ali1234> yeah, apport-collect, that's it
[16:48] <ali1234> i think it's just apport-collect <bug-number>
[16:48] <popey> it is
[16:48] <Azelphur> except, the last time the word apport-collect was uttered in the channel was 15th of July
[16:48]  * Azelphur runs :p
[16:48] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000535.html
[16:48] <Azelphur> I love having logs, they come in handy
[16:49] <Azelphur> I'll get on that anyway, hopefully can get this one fixed :)
[16:49] <popey> lies
[16:49] <popey> lies lies lies lies lies
[16:50] <screen-x> remember kids, the topic is love..
[16:50] <Azelphur>  /topic #ubuntu-uk love :p
[16:50] <popey> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-uk.log:19:42 < popey> he probably meant apport-collect
[16:50] <popey> irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu-uk.log:19:42 < Azelphur> popey: how do I do it with apport-collect?
[16:50] <Azelphur> whoops, was looking at the logs for ubuntu-x :x
[16:51] <popey> sorry alan
[16:51] <popey> thats okay
[16:51] <popey> lets move on
[16:51]  * BigRedS ponders consuming an entire mug of coffee by dunking biscuits in it
[16:51] <popey> BigRedS: sucking the coffee from the biscuit?
[16:51] <screen-x> chocolate fingers!
[16:51] <BigRedS> eating the biscuits
[16:51] <screen-x> the finest conduit of tea
[16:51] <popey> how many dunks before the structural integrity of the biscuit is compromised?
[16:52] <BigRedS> screen-x: there's an aussie version of penguin bars which is amazing for doing that
[16:52] <screen-x> oooh I've had one of those..
[16:52] <BigRedS> you get an awesomely chocolately coffee, then a nicely coffee-tasting biscuit
[16:52] <screen-x> an Australian friend bought them over.
[16:52] <BigRedS> tam tam or something IIRC
[16:52] <popey> oooo
[16:52] <popey> want
[16:53] <screen-x> that's the one
[16:53] <finelytuned> evening all
[16:53] <BigRedS> TimTam!
[16:53] <popey> What ho!
[16:53] <screen-x> finelytuned: its food time in #lies
[16:54] <finelytuned> oh
[16:58] <gord> every day i forget about putting the heating on in the afternoon :( *shivvers*
[16:58] <popey> today I learned something new
[16:58] <popey> ssh -n
[16:59] <screen-x> for no shell?
[16:59] <popey> for backgrounding an ssh to a remote box to run a command there
[17:00] <gord> neat
[17:00] <finelytuned> i tild mum you could get it down
[17:00] <popey> huh?
[17:00] <popey> wrong window?
[17:00] <finelytuned> sorry
[17:01] <finelytuned> my daughter hassling me in other window for me to get the tree down
[17:01] <screen-x> one thing I haven't worked out how to do with ssh is slave/master sessions. I think its possible to add tunnels to existing sessions, but haven't worked it out yet.
[17:02] <popey> yes, you can
[17:02] <popey> Ng knows how
[17:02] <popey> there's some magic keypresses ~ or ` or something...?
[17:02] <BigRedS> ~. kills existing tunnels, I think
[17:03] <BigRedS> ~s denote how far to go, ~~~. gets you to the fourth furthest away host
[17:03] <danfish> one thing I've not quite figured out is when you are running byobu on the host, and default byobu on the server, it goes a bit screwy.
[17:03] <danfish> ^^with SSH
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[17:04] <screen-x> gives some options, but create a tunnel/port forward is not among them.
[17:04] <screen-x> danfish: I use nested byobu sessions without screwyness
[17:05] <danfish> screen-x: must be my setup - I find when I remote into the server session, it starts scrolling the page for no reason
[17:06] <Azelphur> ali1234: I created the bug report and ran apport-collect <bugid> it just says no additional information collected :(
[17:06] <BigRedS> nested screen sessions would confuse the hell out of me
[17:06] <BigRedS> would? they do
[17:06] <popey> i use nested byobu
[17:06] <popey> ssh to vps and from there to home
[17:06] <popey> and sometimes from there to another box :)
[17:06] <popey> ^A ^A ^A-d
[17:06] <popey> :)
[17:07] <BigRedS> Ahhhhh
[17:07] <BigRedS> that's where the confusion comes from
[17:07]  * bigcalm wakes up
[17:07] <bigcalm> Whoops
[17:07] <BigRedS> just repeated ^As
[17:07] <popey> er
[17:07] <popey> no
[17:07] <screen-x> I have "machinename" > "window name" at the bottom of every window.
[17:07] <popey> ^A A A-d
[17:07] <screen-x> ^A aaa
[17:08] <BigRedS> When I end up in nested screen sessions, they're on the same machine. I'm just half asleep and do  ^Rscree <enter>
[17:09]  * danfish still likes byobu :)
[17:09] <danfish> should be default on server IMO
[17:09] <screen-x> BigRedS: always use screen -x, then you won't end up with a nested session
[17:09] <screen-x> danfish: byobu is still screen
[17:10] <BigRedS> screen-x: ahhhh. I should probably man screen at some point
[17:10] <BigRedS> cheers!
[17:15] <danfish> screen-x: your nick says it all ;)
[17:15] <screen-x> \o/
[17:16] <screen-x> I choose it because it's a useful command, but It think I may change nick to something related to my actual name.
[17:19] <danfish> hmm, choosing nicks is a difficult one ie realname or pseudonym
[17:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> ping popey
[17:20] <screen-x> danfish: I have hds registered, which is my initials, could use that.
[17:20] <shauno> I find nicks easy; my mother already picked one, and I have little imagination :)
[17:21] <screen-x> shauno: do you have a uniqueness problem sometimes?
[17:21] <shauno> only when I tried to use my normal shortname, and drove soneill batty :)
[17:22] <shauno> (I have one less L)
[17:22] <screen-x> ahh I can see that would be annoying..
[17:22] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: pong
[17:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Remember we talked about ssh sessions timing out over our home routers? Stick "ServerAliveInterval 120" in your ~/.ssh/config on the client end.
[17:23] <popey> nice, thanks
[17:23] <screen-x> gotta keep that NAT table record current.
[17:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2 minute "ping" inside ssh.
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's been bugging me for bloody ages.
[17:27] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: are you interested in the proposed ubuntu-uk/rugby meetup for the England/Ireland game with cz<tab>?
[17:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: NOT ARF!
[17:27] <popey> will there be beer?
[17:27] <danfish> most excellent :D
[17:27] <danfish> popey: no - I'm checking out alcohol-free venues :P
[17:28] <popey> when is it?
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh, scratch that then danfish
[17:29] <danfish> popey: sat 19th March
[17:29] <popey> oh, years away
[17:30] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: the proposed location is Clapham for ease of transport and \o/ I happen to be in Clapham on Friday with nil to do in th afternoon but check out venues :)
[17:30] <soneill> hi shauno ;)
[17:30] <screen-x> heh
[17:30] <screen-x> Where would you order cage nuts and bolts for a server rack from?
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Clapham is OK. Fairly sensible trains.
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> screen-x: A cage-nut shop
[17:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> screen-x: I got mine from RS (but I bought a big bag) and it was a long time ago.
[17:31] <screen-x> ok, thanks TheOpenSourcerer
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Try eBay or somewhere too.
[17:32] <popey> yeah, clapham is okay to get back from for me
[17:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'me sure there'll be loads of places if you look around.
[17:32] <popey> right, stuff this, home time
[17:32] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: It will be a chore, but a bearable one!
[17:33] <danfish> I know Clapham fairly well and the links are good
[17:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think I can cope with that danfish. But did I hear that cz<tab> will be in attendance too?
[17:34] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: oh yes...and maybe MooDoo for battering
[17:48] <danfish> I remember TheOpenSourcerer and popey did some funky lamb marinating recipes a few weeks ago - fancy posting those to the beta ubuntu-uk recipe section?
[18:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] FOSDEM Accommodation - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4360
[18:30] <daubers> Evening
[18:32] <Pendulum> hiya daubers
[18:51] <AlanBell> o/ Pendulum
[19:11] <Phineas> hi people
[19:12] <brobostigon> evening Phineas
[19:13] <Phineas> brobostigon,  this channel is quiet todAY
[19:13] <brobostigon> Phineas: on and off,
[19:14] <Phineas> brobostigon,  oh i see, do you know where i can dowm load a mp3 of theres a platypus controling me?
[19:15] <Phineas> brobostigon,  or convert a video into mp3
[19:16] <brobostigon> no idea. sorry.
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: converting a video to mp3 would lose the video bit
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: and only keep the audio
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> I'd use ffmpeg for that
[19:19] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  ahh what do i do to conver the video to mp3
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg -i file.mp4 file.mp3
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> that would be my starting point
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> then look up ffmpeg command line options as needed (mp3 quality?)
[19:21] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  quality of mp3, resonable but not to rubbish
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: you'll have to look at some of the encoder options in ffmpeg then
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: there are a LOT of tuneable parameters
[19:21] <popey> ffmpeg --sameq -i file.mp4 file.mp3
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> popey++
[19:21] <popey> no loss in quality during conversion
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: i.e. "same bitrate"? or some magic value of quality? (where vbr is concerned)
[19:22] <popey> magic :)
[19:22] <popey> i have no idea
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: "sameq" is only for video, according to the manpage
[19:22] <popey> i use it for all my conversions
[19:22] <popey> oh bummer
[19:22] <popey> -b 192k   then
[19:22] <popey> :)
[19:22] <popey> or something
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> if the audio track on your video is already mp3, you can use: -acodec copy
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg -i foo.mp4 -acodec copy foo.mp3
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> that won't re-encode, just extract
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> (though mp4 is more likely to contain aac, avi might contain mp3 :))
[19:23] <Phineas> the video is a flv
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: what does just plain "ffmpeg -i file.flv" say? (please put it on pastebin)
[19:24] <popey> chances are its aac audio or mp3 inside the flv
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> it'll tell you the audio encodign
[19:27] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  audio is acc format
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: aac is also used by itunes (m4a), is that good enough?
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> or do you _really_ need mp3?
[19:28] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  well if my pm3 player will take it (is it usaly does) then yeah its fine
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg -i file.flv file.m4a :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> and if that doesn't work
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg -i file.flv file.aac
[19:29] <brobostigon> pm3 player, :)
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ##politics "You have 3 PMs now?!"
[19:30] <Phineas> unsuported codec
[19:30] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hmm.
[19:30] <anomnomnom_> .
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> argh, aac-free ffmpeg
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: sounds familiar? :)
[19:31] <Phineas> MartijnVdS,  so what does that mean
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> Phineas: it means that the Ubuntu people have stripped support for AAC audio from ffmpeg for some reason (probably patents)
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> there is a version that does work.. popey knows where to find it I think
[19:32] <Phineas> mp3 same output
[19:32] <brobostigon> medibuntu ?
[19:32] <popey> uhm
[19:32] <popey> it should be able to read aac
[19:32] <popey> just not encode it
[19:33] <Phineas> popey,  it tells me the sound is in aac format
[19:33] <popey> ok
[19:33] <popey> convert it to mp3 then
[19:34] <Phineas> popey,  video:0kB audio:1440kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead 0.002169%
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> isn't mp3 encoding (lame) the same: stripped because of patents ?
[19:34] <popey> hmmm
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> though that line implies that it worked
[19:34] <brobostigon> hence i suggested medibuntu ffmpeg.
[19:35] <popey> Phineas: has it spat out an mp3?
[19:35] <popey> brobostigon: its not the ffmpeg you need, its the libs
[19:35] <popey> one moment
[19:35] <Phineas> popey,  yeah but totem can't play the mp3
[19:35] <brobostigon> popey:true, good point,
[19:36] <popey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535666/
[19:36] <popey> i would add medibuntu and install ^^^ those packages
[19:37] <popey> !medibuntu
[19:38] <Phineas> popey,  another os on my laptop? oh brother
[19:38] <popey> no
[19:38] <popey> its a repository
[19:39] <popey> you add the repo as per the web page and then install those packages and then you'll have the necessary bits to do encoding to mp3/aac
[19:40] <Phineas> popey,  how do i add the repo?
[19:40] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[19:40] <popey> see where it says "Adding the repository"
[19:40] <popey> paste that into a terminal
[19:40] <UndiFineD> apt-add-rep<tab>
[19:41] <Phineas> popey,  E: Command line option --output-document=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list is not understood
[19:41] <Phineas> humm
[19:42] <popey> did you copy the entire lines?
[19:43] <Phineas> popey,  yeah in the first grey box, put it into terminal and that happened
[19:44] <popey> what version of ubuntu you running?
[19:44] <popey> please pastebin the entire terminal window you just used
[19:44] <Phineas> popey,  my bad i misscoppyed the command
[19:45] <popey> cool
[19:45] <Phineas> popey,  now i have blooming updates
[19:46] <popey> right, now sudo apt-get install.. that list of packages i pasted earlier here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/535666/
[19:46] <Phineas> popey,  all of them?
[19:47] <BigRedS> At a guess, yes
[19:48] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:medibuntu-maintainers
[19:48] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-get --yes install app-install-data-medibuntu apport-hooks-medibuntu
[19:49] <ali1234> i haven't need to install medibuntu for ages. what does it actually give you these days?
[19:50] <Phineas> popey,  right now lets see if ffmpeg will work now
[19:52] <Phineas> popey,  E: Couldn't find package 4:0.6-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1
[19:53] <popey> ali1234: aac encoding
[19:53] <Phineas> popey,  humm thats fishy
[19:53] <popey> Phineas: you pasted too much
[19:54] <popey> you need the lib* bits from the start of the lines, not the bits on the right
[19:57] <popey> so sudo apt-get install libavcodec-extra-52 libavdevice-extra-52 libavfilter-extra-1 libavformat-extra-52 libavutil-extra-50 libpostproc-extra-51 libswscale-extra-0
[19:57] <popey> Phineas: ^^
[19:58] <Phineas> popey,
[19:58] <Phineas> popey,  E: Couldn't find package libavfilter-extra-1
[19:58] <popey> so libavfilter-extra then press tab
[19:59] <popey> it may have been updated
[19:59] <popey> might be -2 now
[20:00] <AlanBell> !info libavfilter-extra-1
[20:00] <Phineas> popey,  libavfilter0              libavfilter-extra-0
[20:00] <Phineas> libavfilter-dev           libavfilter-unstripped-0
[20:01] <AlanBell> 19:44 < popey> what version of ubuntu you running?
[20:20] <kvarley> Is £40 for a wireless n (300 megabits per second) router reasonable?
[20:21] <ali1234> yeah
[20:21] <ali1234> if it's decent brand
[20:21] <kvarley> is edimax a decent brand?
[20:22] <ali1234> never heard of it
[20:22] <BigRedS> AFAIK, it's quite reasonable
[20:22] <jacobw> edimax works well with Ubuntu
[20:23] <BigRedS> It's a router in any case
[20:23] <BigRedS> if it talks in ethernet, we're laughing
[20:23] <jacobw> it'll work out of the box with newer Ubuntu releases, probably with the past two LTS releases I'd say
[20:24] <jacobw> 300Mb/s ?! is than 802.11n + MIMO speeds?
[20:24] <kvarley> I have no concerns with whether it'll work with linux - I have seen people say its a breeze via browser config
[20:24] <kvarley> jacobw it's 801.11n - whats MIMO?
[20:24] <BigRedS> kvarley: It's a router, so there's no OS compatability to speak of. I think jacobw read 'router' as 'dongle' or something
[20:25] <Jibadeeha> just installed DockBarX - very impressed
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: MIMO = multiple input / multiple output
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> it means it uses more than one antenna at a time to do cool magic to make the link faster
[20:25] <kvarley> ah ok
[20:26] <jacobw> yes, I did BigRedS, I've got an Edimax wireless USB adapter so that's what came to mind
[20:29] <jacobw> is there a new UUPC on the way?
[20:32] <popey> yes
[20:32] <zleap> UUPC
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> !uupc
[20:32] <popey> !podcast
[20:32] <zleap> ah
[20:44]  * BigRedS finally emails daviey about mirroring that
[20:45] <popey> :)
[20:45] <BigRedS> which reminds me, that wiki page on mirroring is atrocious. can I edit it so it makes sense?
[20:45] <popey> just email podcast@ubuntu-uk.org
[20:45] <popey> any of us can do it
[20:45] <popey> sure
[20:45] <popey> it _is_ a wiki
[20:45] <BigRedS> it says at teh top that it's immutable
[20:45] <BigRedS> not that I went as far as trying logging in
[20:45] <popey> O RLY?
[20:45] <popey> thats why
[20:45] <popey> you need to login
[20:46] <BigRedS> ahh, fair enough
[20:48]  * DJones points BigRedS The webdesigner at https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-December/001132.html
[21:07] <BigRedS> DJones: BigRedS the webdesigner?
[21:07] <BigRedS> Have you seen my website?
[21:07] <BigRedS> Ahhh, developer. Still, all I know is Perl
[21:08] <BigRedS> and hackish perl at that
[21:08] <DJones> :)
[21:10]  * popey pokes Mez with a stick
[21:17] <markus_> #blitzbasic.de
[21:17] <popey> wow
[21:17] <brobostigon> markus_: moin, wie kann wir dir helfen ?
[21:17] <popey> blitzbasic, thats a blast from the past
[21:18] <popey> the old #blitzbasic was on irc.blitzed.org
[21:18] <popey> dunno if it still is
[21:18] <markus_> nabend
[21:18] <brobostigon> popey: i see.
[21:18]  * popey still has a copy of blitzbasic
[21:18] <markus_> grade Xchat-gnome installiert. kennt jemand ein tutorial für den umgang mit irc? ^^"
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> !deutsch
[21:21] <markus_> thx
[21:33]  * brobostigon grumbles at the adsl
[21:35]  * BigRedS swears at dovecot again
[21:36] <denny> http://youtu.be/WL5ud5_K-GY  # Doctor Who / Star Wars mash-up
[21:38] <MooDoo> evening all
[21:39] <brobostigon> evening MooDoo
[21:39] <brobostigon> o/
[21:39] <MooDoo> popey: i still use blitzbasic 3d :)
[21:39] <popey> !
[21:39] <MooDoo> first time i saw blitxbasic was on the amiga :D
[21:45] <popey> MooDoo: i kinda stopped using it when i switched to linux
[21:46] <popey> maybe 9 years ago
[21:46] <exobuzz> i never used blitz, but ive used amos before!
[21:46] <popey> ahh amos
[21:46] <popey> not used that for ~20 years
[21:47] <exobuzz> im unsure how long ago it was, but it could be around the same :)
[21:47] <popey> amazed blitz is still alive
[21:48] <popey> hmm, maybe not that long ago
[21:48] <popey> last diary log on blitzbasic.com is 26/06/2005
[21:48] <popey> oh, thats me saying I dont use it
[21:49] <exobuzz> :)
[21:52] <popey> blimey, new version came out in august this year
[21:54] <MooDoo> blitz3d was updated recently
[21:55] <popey> bah, doesnt work on 64-bit
[21:59] <popey> wheee
[22:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S03E22  Long May It Wave - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/12/08/s03e22-long-may-it-wave/
[22:08] <diplo> evening all
[22:15] <BigRedS> g'morning diplo
[22:15] <diplo> morning???
[22:16] <diplo> :D
[22:16] <BigRedS> There's a locale joke in there somewhere
[22:16] <diplo> heh
[22:17] <BigRedS> but mostly I refuse to acknowledge times of day that don't sound jolly
[22:28] <diplo> evening is jolly, means im not at work
[22:39] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[22:49] <sprite> was this irc offline earlier today?
[22:50] <sprite> oops wrong server
[23:06] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Lord] SSH Sessions Timing Out? - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/12/08/ssh-sessions-timing-out/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ssh-sessions-timing-out
[23:11] <BigRedS> I like that the Amazon kindle app add involves her switching from iPhone to android