[00:04] [Jono Bacon] Unity: An Ancient African Word Meaning Rocking - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/08/unity-an-ancient-african-word-meaning-rocking/ === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [06:42] Is there a Granbuntu? [07:04] [Jono Bacon] Video Of Current Unity - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/08/video-of-current-unity/ === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [07:47] Morning [08:12] \o [08:13] * MartijnVdS updates his natty box [08:15] hi [08:15] what does OSD stand for in Notify OSD ? [08:16] * daubers beats drupal with a stick [08:16] kaushal: on screen display? [08:16] MartijnVdS: Thanks [08:16] MartijnVdS: any wiki doc [08:16] http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&q=define:OSD&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1 [08:21] * daubers wonders why his blasted drupal thing is silently failing to login and not allowing him to do some admin tasks on the machine he is logged in as [08:22] \o/ php ;) [08:22] daubers: you need more tea clearly [08:22] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders if daubers needs to clear the cookie/session cache... [08:23] sounds like a reasonable suggestion [08:23] TheOpenSourcerer: On two machines? [08:23] hmm. [08:24] I have a machine that is logged in, but that can't do things like delete users [08:24] the other machine fails login silently [08:24] Have you looked at the logs for the drupal server machine? [08:26] Hmmmmm "PHP Warning: Unknown: POST Content-Length of 227 bytes exceeds the limit of -1048576 bytes in Unknown on line 0" [08:26] * daubers goes digging [08:27] That's an informative error message ;-) [08:27] Corrupted/hacked php.ini maybe? [08:28] Ah ha! [08:28] I'd upped the post size limit last night, and instead of being 50M it had become 50505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050505050M [08:28] lol [08:28] vi++ :) [08:28] 50i50M [08:29] or something [08:29] Odd thing was, it was reporting correctly last night [08:30] is php running in a persistent mode? [08:30] OK - VirtualBox licensing will be changing, and for the better on initial inspection... http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=36778&p=164949%23p164949 [08:30] hm.. for the better? [08:30] MartijnVdS: It's more or less default [08:30] it's Oracle isn't it? [08:30] daubers: default-apache-module or default-cgi :) [08:31] MartijnVdS: apache module :) [08:31] then it broke this morning when cron/logrotate restarted apache, I guess :) [08:31] USB 1.1 OHCI now part of the core (open source license). They've changed it to an extension-based model. [08:32] stupid thing [09:23] morning ratfans [09:27] popey: ello ello [09:30] morning all [09:35] hi ho [09:38] hi ho [09:39] * popey leaves for work [09:40] its off to work he goes? [09:41] ...with a bucket and spade and a hand grenade [09:41] Hi Ho, Hi Ho... [09:52] Morning all. :) [09:54] lo JamesTait [09:55] Hi popey, how's tricks? [09:58] how much of the stuck-in-snow etherpad stuff did you end up getting popey? [09:58] almost zero :) [09:59] hah - but it was a fun list to make :) [10:00] I thought about buying some of those snow socks, but then realised 1) I'd still get stuck behind other cars without them and 2) It would then never snow again in my lifetime [10:05] JamesTait: tickety boo thanks! [10:07] danfish: people seem to think this kind of weather is exceptional, but we've been having extreme winters (and summers) for years now [10:07] It's still (normally) kind of exceptional [10:07] of the order of <10 days per year of this sort of thing [10:09] huh? no, winter is always like this, we have a cold bit in the middle of winter then it gets warmer again [10:09] I meant the whole snow thing [10:09] -14 in bonnie scotland! [10:09] and people claiming an inability to get to work [10:09] * BigRedS is in the south, and perhaps biased [10:09] \o/ the tropical south [10:10] anyone here tried bitcoin? [10:13] so what nvidia card should I get, im tired of this screen flickering on and off all the time now :( [10:18] Anyone recommend a place to look up usage of VM's under KVM and how much I can load onto a box ? [10:18] Some way of calculating what loads etc a basic install etc [10:21] what repository are the ubuntu linux kernals under? [10:26] hello anyone listening? [10:26] diplo: are you using that libvirt gui app - I think that will give you what you need [10:27] need help with encryption [10:28] morning :) [10:28] hi [10:29] cheryljosie: ask your question and if someone can help I'm sure they will [10:31] i need a full disk encryption overview. i have used freeotfe under microsoft but every time i try to read up on linux i get confused [10:31] danfish, trying to spec a server to run 2-4 virtual machines but not a huge budget [10:31] Trying to find a way of working out what can run on certain specs [10:32] are the servers/future VM's already running on their own hardware? [10:33] i have several different ubuntu debian centos installations multiboot but none configured yet [10:33] and trying to learn how to use encryption [10:34] since still in research mode i want to just try mounting a couple of encrypted volumes [10:34] butr so far i have not even used lvm just regular partitiolns [10:35] and what confuses me is which encryption programs do what [10:35] cheryljosie: the ubuntu alternate installer can setup full disk encryption, partition encryption, or encrypted home dir. [10:35] yes i know that it can but i am running experimental multiboot and i still have a windows partition i need to keep [10:35] and all those desktop installers pretty much want to take over the whole hdd [10:36] they don't have to, the ubuntu live installer is pretty good at detecting windows installations. [10:36] what i need is an overview of the existing encryption programs such as dm-crypt luks etc [10:37] so i can learn how they work and configure manually [10:37] Sorry danfish multiple messages on the go on msn, all current installs are running on old PC's servers that are 7-10 years old [10:37] i am also trying to mount an existing freeotfe volume with ntfs [10:37] Want to combine them down to one VM box [10:38] so anyone konw of a good encrption tutorial web page? [10:39] cheryljosie: what aspect of encryption? [10:40] wel for example should i be using a luks volume or lvm or should i just use dm-crypt and a simple partition [10:40] hmm, dont recally seeing a direct comparison recently [10:40] cheryljosie: iirc luks uses dm-crypt. [10:40] i am pretty sure i will just stick to straightforward aes(?) algorithm with aes hash [10:41] encryption and volume management are separate problems, but lvm is more useful than partitions imho. [10:42] probably, and once i figure out how to configure a system properly i may eventually set up lvm but for now i am strictly in tutorial mode [10:43] so specifically i want to know how to mount an encrypted volume that i can also access with freeotfe if possible [10:43] * screen-x hasn't used freeotfe [10:44] to date have not been able to understand encryption enough to mount a volume [10:44] although i have manually partitioned and installed several linux versions beside a windows xp install [10:45] primarily using gparted cfdisk and grub etc [10:45] diplo: sounds like a good idea. as you've got them running already on hardware, you could just graph their average loads etc over time [10:45] cheryljosie: read the man pages for luksformat and cryptsetup (especially luksopen section) [10:46] yeah it's working out after, might just do that anyway [10:47] ok thanks i will read those i have not seen those man pages yet thanks very much i have just been reading the web page manuals and wiki and not getting anywhere so i will read those youreferred to [10:47] Really wish there was some sugar in this office, black coffee with no sugar just doesn't taste the same [10:47] I see what you mean "i've got 4 servers with 2gb RAM each, do I need one box with 8gb?" [10:48] one other question what is the current encryption program i would like to be sure i am using current commands and driver etc rather than using obsolete [10:48] i think using loop devices may be obsolete but i dont know the history [10:48] nor do i really understand loop devices [10:48] cheryljosie: luks is current [10:49] I reckon we could run them @ 512mb ram each and noone would notice tbh [10:49] ok if luks is current that is ok but does a luks volume hve a recognizeable signature [10:49] diplo: As long as they don't swap. [10:49] one of the advantages of freeotfe is the volumes have no recognizable signature so an encrypted partition just looks like a wiped partition [10:50] cheryljosie: you now want deniable encryption? [10:50] yes [10:50] can luks do it? [10:50] is it normal that if one person logs into an Ubuntu box, then does 'switch user', the second and subsequent people to log in don't get any sound? [10:52] cheryljosie: haven't tried. I'm sure you could do stuff with offsets, so the beginning of the partition didn't look like the beginnig of a luks partition, but I don't know if it has a built in mechanism for that. [10:52] so what about dm-crypt? is that deniable encryption capable? [10:53] i guess what i plan is a fully encrypted ubuntu install with a deniable encryption home partition [10:53] that way even though i may have to reveal my login my data is still secure [10:54] cheryljosie: as long as you had a plausable alternate home dir... [10:54] yes of course [10:54] cheryljosie: accoding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_disk_encryption_software luks doesn't have hidden containers. [10:59] diplo: probably - if you want really lean and mean then openvz [11:03] morning all [11:04] \o davmor2 [11:07] yes i see... thanks [11:07] contrary to the topic, I am struggling to love printers at the mo. [11:07] cheryljosie: :) [11:10] unfortunately i am booting from a livecd of knoppix and none of the encryption modules are installed [11:11] so the man pages are not accessible [11:11] cheryljosie: google man more often than not they're there [11:11] i did find a lengthy walk-through of how to install an encrypted ubuntu [11:11] using the alternate cd [11:12] and it said it was for use with 10.04 [11:12] and that got me thinking that ubuntu even does not yet support auto install of encrypted os [11:13] at least not point-and-click anyway [11:14] i found it googling ubuntu encrypted home or something like that [11:14] cheryljosie: encrypted home is an install option [11:14] and it looked comprehensive but not at all intuitive' [11:15] anyway thanks for pointing out that luks does not support hidden containers actually it looks like none of the standard linux encryption packages does [11:16] so i will end up using standard encryption for the os and home partitions and deniable encryption with a third party tool for the deniable encryption on the alternate home [11:16] thanks that sorted out one big source of confusion for me [11:18] now just one last question... if i am using a hidden container is there a way to limit the size of the 'fake' container so that i can continue using it without risking overwriting the deniable container? [11:19] i know there is some sort of interleaving possible on advanced encryption where all the containers are interwoven [11:19] but i dont have any direct documentation of how to do that especially without corrupting other containers [11:52] cheryljosie: there is also http://manpages.ubuntu.com/ [11:59] hi everyone [11:59] Ubuntu 10.10 is Awesome [11:59] good good [12:05] One day, I'm going to see if I can count all the man page mirrors on the net [12:05] I'm sure I've never used the same one twice [12:07] BigRedS: I'm beginning to recognise the lens flare at the top of the ubuntu one. [12:12] Supernoodles are so super [12:12] super MooDooles are superer [12:14] I have super saucy supernoodles, so saucy it's super [12:15] These and pot noodles are the only time I choose to use a fork with noodles [12:15] How odd [12:15] They should be collectively known as lazy noodles [12:16] Who did the noodle dance? [12:16] ups parcel status: exception. I'd like to see a backtrace. [12:17] Heh [12:17] ahh EADVERSEWEATHERCONDITIONS [12:18] awakening from my snooze... thanks for the manpages referen ce... i will check it out in the am once i wake up.. sweet dreams everyone and thanks [12:18] The bottle of bown-nosing is almost with my boss [12:18] cheryljosie: I wish I was in a timezone where it was nearly time to sleep. [12:19] bigcalm: you sent a present to your bos? what is it? [12:20] nosy screen-x is nosy. [12:20] screen-x: http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-8288.aspx [12:20] actually here it is nearly time to wake up... but for us on disability it does not make much difference when we sleep. nite all [12:22] bigcalm: looks tasty :) [12:22] screen-x: it's lovely stuff [12:22] Really warming [12:23] bigcalm: did you see the cheffy thing where they showed how pot noodles are made? [12:23] * BigRedS abandoned his Whiskey avoidance at london.pm last week [12:23] i wants moar now [12:23] popey: nope. Does it make you want to never have another pot noodle? [12:23] no [12:23] Phew [12:23] they boil the noodles then deep fry them [12:23] Cool! [12:23] which removes the water and makes them all hard [12:23] Healthy [12:23] :) [12:23] nice [12:23] Hi mgdm [12:24] 'lo bigcalm [12:24] then you add water to re-hydrate them [12:24] quite cunning really [12:24] I did wonder how they worked. But never wondered enough ;) [12:24] I asked earlier, but on the off chance - if my girlfriend logs onto my computer first, then I switch user later, I get no sound 'til we both log off and on again - anyone else seen that? [12:24] Sounds like something that would get shown in How it's Made [12:24] * TheOpenSourcerer promotes his favourite single malt: http://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-12085.aspx [12:25] And orders a couple of bottles (one for me and one for Dad). [12:25] mgdm: sounds like an ownership issue [12:25] bigcalm: aye - it's really rather annoying [12:25] mgdm: tell her to stop using your machine :P [12:26] heh [12:26] popey: no graze box again :( [12:26] mgdm: Uselessly, I did have that on a box a while ago. But I didn't actually fix it [12:27] I'm going to have to move my order to Tuesdays so that I get it on Wednesday [12:28] :( bigcalm [12:28] bigcalm: did I mention I complained about mine not arriving on saturday [12:28] then it turned up on sunday! [12:28] TheOpenSourcerer, screen-x: King's Ginger is being given to several families this year. Now I want it to be the end of the day so I can have a tipple [12:28] popey: aye, how nuts is that. Posties on over-time? [12:28] bigcalm: well, you do work at home, so no-one would know... [12:29] ^^ student way of thinking [12:29] Haha [12:29] dutchie: I still have to answer the phone and get work done :) [12:29] http://www.lovefilm.com/robots.txt \o/ [12:29] I'm too sensible [12:30] mgdm: heh [12:30] I think my Mum would like that one actually bigcalm. Would make a fantastic Whiskey Mac I reckon. [12:31] mgdm: I've seen the the 3 laws in robots.txt before, but I can't remember which site it was.. [12:31] mgdm: they ripped that off last.fm === denny- is now known as denny [12:31] screen-x: last.fm: http://www.last.fm/robots.txt [12:31] heh [12:32] we interviewed jonty on the podcast (who made the last.fm robots.txt) and I meant to ask him about it [12:32] well, aye - last.fm went for Asimov, they've gone for Robocop, there are more [12:33] there's one I saw with an ASCII art Bender in it [12:33] heh [12:33] I just got a great deal via American Express. Just bought a case (12) of good wine, delivered, with a decent corkscrew - £39.99 [12:33] That would make for a good present. A Kindel pre-loaded with all of the books from the Robots and Foundation series [12:33] bigcalm: that's an excellent plan [12:34] * dwatkins notes the Foundation series is not available for Kindle [12:34] :O [12:34] * dwatkins clicks the link to ask for it to be so [12:35] http://goo.gl/mDlpa is for Kindle, though, bigcalm [12:36] I can't bring myself to get a kindle. I'd forever want it to be a full tablet. Maybe I should buy a tablet [12:36] I'm getting my other half one for christmas, she really likes the display and reads a lot [12:36] dwatkins: that's an interesting link [12:36] Oh I dunno now :O [12:37] * popey tickles bigcalm with an ipad [12:37] yeah, that's the other thing - an iPad is a lot more expensive, wish I could get her one though [12:38] can't buy an ipad now, v2 (eyepad) is about to arrive! [12:38] i just bought a book on amazon and sent it to the ipad rather than the kindle :S [12:39] evil popey is evil [12:39] Well, I've added the Kindle and leather case with light to my wish list. Maybe somebody will buy me one someday :) [12:39] bigcalm: no backlight? [12:39] popey: can you read your books in more than one electronic device? [12:39] kindle books, yes [12:39] screen-x: *shrug* [12:40] iphone, android, windows, osx, web, ipad... oh, and kindle :) [12:40] popey: simultaneously? [12:40] if you like [12:40] it syncs where you are in the book between devices too [12:41] Sweet [12:41] Not sure if I could cope with reading books on my Nexus One [12:41] well [12:41] i suspect that the idea is that you can [12:41] whether you would.. [12:42] I had the app on my Desire for a bit [12:42] for example if you went to bed reading on the kindle, and are now standing on the bus/train/whatever and dont want to get the kindle out, you can pull the phone out and carry on where you were [12:42] it got replaced with aldiko and some epubs I got off O'Reilly in an offer [12:42] popey: google's ebook stuff supports that too [12:42] popey: maybe not on kindle, but at least on android/iphone/desktop [12:43] MartijnVdS: not outside the USA it doesnt [12:43] unless thats been fixed since I tried it [12:44] popey: it works for out-of-copyright books :) [12:45] not when i tried it [12:45] it flat out refused to let me use it outside the usa [12:45] * popey notes he can pretend to be in the usa via the work proxy [12:46] popey: http://books.google.com/ebooks gives me lots of free ebooks to read, with "Read in browser"/"on device" links [12:48] thats no use at all [12:49] popey: You could always use Tor. [12:50] also not much use [12:51] "My eBooks (3)" [12:51] news to me [12:52] which 3? :) [12:53] bigcalm: I read a fiction book on my Hero. :) ... I quite enjoyed it tbh. [12:53] bah, tried to install it on "device" "The item you tried to buy is no longer available" [12:53] I'm sticking to my Sony PRS600 [12:53] useful [12:57] Need some CSS help :S [12:58] I have a div that I don't want the text to wrap in. Rather it should clip on the right hand side [12:58] Any thoughs? [12:58] overflow: hidden? [12:58] That might be the one [13:01] Which attribute has no-wrap? [13:02] white-space? [13:02] It worked! [13:02] Yay [13:02] If it wasn't going to work, I would have resorted to replacing spaces with [13:03] Which isn't a sane option [13:03] Ta [13:03] np [13:05] Guys... how do I alter an existing checkout pane? [13:07] wut? [13:12] howdy [13:14] howdy howdy howdy [13:14] doody [13:15] Yo ho ho [13:15] * popey gets the rum [13:18] \o/ found manflu tablets in my draw :) [13:24] Most of the xmas shopping now done [13:24] * czajkowski stabs daubers [13:24] czajkowski: ? The internet is your friend for these things [13:26] How pointless is this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hasbro-40614-Cluedo-Harry-Potter/dp/B001D2VWCE/ref=sr_1_26?s=kids&ie=UTF8&qid=1291814756&sr=1-26 [13:27] we all know Voldemort did it by now [13:29] afternoonings all. [13:31] Morning [13:31] Just started mine about 10mins ago. All I've bought so far is Booze :-D [13:32] hi bigcalm and TheOpenSourcerer [13:32] booze :) [13:32] hey brobostigon how's it going? [13:33] TheOpenSourcerer: not bad, back and hip pain though. how about you? [13:33] * TheOpenSourcerer thanks bigcalm for the suggestion of: http://is.gd/ioeyf that will be keeping my warm this xmas. [13:34] TheOpenSourcerer: Ta :P [13:34] brobostigon: I'm well thanks. Busy, enjoying life and generally tickety boo really. [13:36] TheOpenSourcerer: :) [13:39] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [13:41] * czajkowski wallops davmor2 [13:42] * davmor2 cattle prods czajkowski [13:42] "tickety boo" sounds like an issue tracker [13:43] davmor2: ouchies [13:44] czajkowski: :) when you back now or this evening? [13:44] tonight some time [14:04] [Laura Czajkowski] pgdayeu in Stuttgart - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/08/pgdayeu-in-stuttgart/ [14:04] [Laura Czajkowski] Rapid Month gone by - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2010/12/08/rapid-month-gone-by/ [14:13] Blimey - he didn't last long... http://voices.canonical.com/matt.asay/2010/12/08/leaving-canonical/ [14:16] lol, don't let the door hit your asay on the way out [14:17] perhaps they just used the wrong channel name [14:17] maybe they wanted to discuss Ubuntu in relation to the Ukraine [14:20] o/ [14:22] * screen-x wonders about the silent lives of the super space people [14:22] * Flashtek wonders.. [14:29] afternoon all o/ [14:29] yo [14:29] afternoonings Apacheuk [14:29] TheOpenSourcerer: who knows he might actually blog about ubuntu now that he doesnt work for canonical now [14:31] Yeah - I'm not sure what he actually brought to the party in the end. [14:32] Party \o/ http://ubunt.eu/c2 [14:33] indeed [14:33] not going :( [14:34] me neither :-( [14:34] * screen-x can't make it either :( [14:34] London is a silly place any way [14:35] These white choc chip cookies from ASDA are quite scrummy [14:35] yeah, silly London and all those tens of thousands of people [14:35] hundreds of thousands, perhaps [14:35] Millions [14:35] I suspected that but wasn't sure [14:35] bigcalm: and the transport [14:36] dwatkins: http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=population+of+london [14:36] indeed, bigcalm [14:36] Scary [14:36] * bigcalm gives czajkowski a cookie [14:37] ohh COOKIE [14:37] nyommy [14:37] the only plus side to victoria staion i've found is the place that sells the cookies there [14:37] With white choc [14:37] bigcalm: you know me so well :) [14:37] czajkowski: ;) [14:38] london houses ~12% of the uk population. That's a bit of a meh value, its not really low or high. [14:43] TheOpenSourcerer: 3 weeks and 2 days till you lose that bet my dear alan [14:44] Ahh Hah... [14:44] Watch this space :-) [14:44] good [14:44] jus with the annuocments coming be nice to see the new [14:48] bet? [14:55] daubers: it's probably something involving how much czajkowski can drink new years eve ;-) [14:55] Heh [14:56] lol [14:56] hmm new years will be arriving back into heathrow that day [14:56] Surely not. cz is virtually teetotal. [14:56] not sure i'll even bother doing anything tbh, was more fun when I could work it in security in pubs/clubs [14:57] TheOpenSourcerer: as much as you are [14:57] oooooh ;-) [14:57] i am writing a php script that monitors server load and should send an email when it gets too high, what would be "too high" generally speaking? [14:59] touché czajkowski [14:59] dogmatic69: If the 'load average' is over 1 consistently then it's probably too high. [14:59] so the 5 min load is > 1 [15:00] or even the 1 min load? [15:03] dogmatic69: if the 5 minute average is greater than the number of CPUs the machine has for an extended peroid [15:03] dogmatic69: so a load average of 4 on a 4-core box is fine [15:03] ah ok [15:03] you making it harder now :P [15:03] heh [15:03] dogmatic69: isn't that what nagios/insert-monitoring-system-here is for? [15:04] why does load average not do the load / cores already? [15:04] screen-x: this is for a open source app, so its the basics for people who cant/dont know how [15:07] I want to be able to access my machine while out and about but have a dynamic IP address from BT, even tho it doesn't change that often. Have thought about writing a small python script to check external IP address occasionally and email/txt/dm me if it changes. Am I jsut making work for myself? [15:07] dyndns [15:07] Apacheuk: yep, setup the dyndns client in your router (if it exists..) [15:08] \o/ dyndns [15:08] dyndns... seems popular, is it FREE??? [15:08] yes [15:08] and many domestic routers support it out of the box [15:08] mine does :) [15:09] popey: ditto for mine [15:09] and for the ones that dont... um wait...tomato and dd-wrt exist in the uk right? [15:09] \o/ ditto [15:10] none of the custom router distros support my router :( but it does have a built in dyndns client. [15:10] !info ddclient [15:10] ddclient (source: ddclient): address updating utility for dynamic DNS services. In component universe, is extra. Version 3.8.0-11.1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 71 kB, installed size 372 kB [15:12] looks like I have a compatible router too [15:13] not all corporate networks allow access to dyndns [15:14] I've never found one that didnt [15:16] dwatkins: when would you be using dyndns in a corporate network? [15:17] screen-x: to access my bookmarks from my work laptop [15:17] dwatkins: Do most corporate networks even allow out-going DNS from beyond their firewalls? [15:17] dwatkins: but wouldn't that rely on the corporate network giving you a port forward? [15:18] jpds: I would imagine they need to, but the one I'm thinking of returns 127.0.0.2 for all dyndns.org addresses, presumably because for simplicity [15:18] screen-x: port forwarding isn't necessary, I just need access to apache running on it [15:19] simplicity as in "we can't be sure about these home systems, so let's just not let anyone get to them without editing their hosts file" [15:19] makes sense, you have to know what you're doing to use it [15:19]