[01:08] <seidos> anyone want to help me brush up on my one liners and tag lines?
[01:09] <jtatum> the seidos abides linux. zing!
[01:09] <MarkDude> ubuntu is the Zulu word for *cant install Debian*
[01:09] <MarkDude> Like that?
[01:10] <MarkDude> :D
[01:10] <MarkDude> 2 penguins waddle into a bar....
[01:11] <seidos> but...that's absurd!
[01:12] <seidos> i guess one liners are basically for fun.
[01:12] <seidos> so...creativity is key.
[01:12] <seidos> meh-tah linux is namaste good fun
[01:12] <seidos> heh
[01:13] <seidos> ubuntu is about community.
[01:13] <seidos> so i can basically say anything i want to a question even if it doesn't go with the flow?
[01:13] <DarkwingDuck> computers are like air conditioning... it becomes useless when you open windows
[01:14] <jledbetter> lol
[01:14] <seidos> computers are like air conditioning, it becomes inefficient when you open windows
[01:14] <seidos> your mom uses linux.
[01:14] <seidos> hmmm, that's pushing it
[01:15] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[01:15] <seidos> your mom uses linux <pause> on her cell phone.
[01:15] <pleia2> I know we're joking, but on the serious side insulting the industry leader that everyone has been using "fine" for years will only make us look like zealots :)
[01:15] <seidos> i thought people liked zealots...
[01:15] <seidos> i suppose zealotry without mudslinging
[01:15] <pleia2> I prefer to frame the linux discussion away from comparing to others, discuss useful, free (good for our struggling school system!)
[01:16] <jledbetter> I agreed with pleia2 but I still chuckled.
[01:16] <MarkDude> Did you hear about the Buddhist that walked up to a hotdog vendor and asked him to; *make him One with Everything* ?
[01:17]  * MarkDude 's Mom used Linux
[01:17] <MarkDude> Just like his Grandma does
[01:17] <seidos> yeah.  did you hear the the hot dog vendor asked "what about your change?" and he responded with "change comes from within"
[01:17]  * jledbetter uses Linux.
[01:17] <seidos> used?
[01:17] <pleia2> Christian loves android, so I'm sure if he can he'll get a word in about it using the linux kernel
[01:17] <seidos> my mom used linux on her desktop, now she only uses it on her cell phone :|
[01:17] <MarkDude> My Mom died a few years ago
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> ....
[01:17] <jledbetter> hug
[01:17] <MarkDude> Its what it is
[01:17] <jtatum> and then the hot dog vendor asked if he wanted a spoon. but of course there is no spoon.
[01:18] <seidos> ...may peace be upon her
[01:18] <MarkDude> jledbetter, hugs back
[01:18] <pleia2> jtatum: uuugggh
[01:18] <pleia2> :P
[01:18] <MarkDude> seidos,  she had a wicked sense of humor
[01:18] <seidos> the hot dog vendor should just say "there is no spoon"
[01:19] <MarkDude> No the vendor should just say Mu
[01:19] <MarkDude> *Mu*
[01:19] <seidos> my uncle passed in '07.  he was a very energetic dude.  he was the father figure for me growing up.
[01:19] <pleia2> you guys are too much :)
[01:19] <seidos> always happy...always positive.
[01:19]  * seidos uses spirit fingers to bring in the good vibes
[01:20] <pleia2> my father passed away 6 years ago today :(
[01:20]  * MarkDude just did a data recovery for my Sister, I have lots more pics of my Mom
[01:20]  * pleia2 just noticed the date
[01:20] <seidos> my dad just turned 60...mom will be 61 in january.  clock is ticking...for everyone
[01:21] <MarkDude> Before my Uncle died, my Mom and him were joking about taking him to a raiders game *after* he died
[01:21] <pleia2> yeah, my mother turns 60 this month
[01:21] <MarkDude> Like Weekend at Bernies
[01:21] <seidos> death doesn't bother me so much...pain and what might come after does.
[01:21] <pleia2> no wait
[01:21] <pleia2> she turns 50
[01:21] <DarkwingDuck> after? there is no after
[01:21] <pleia2> and she will kill me when she reads the logs :)
[01:21] <pleia2> (luckily she doesn't)
[01:21] <MarkDude> Sense of humor is key
[01:21] <pleia2> hehe
[01:22] <MarkDude> pleia2, 's mom, the cougar?
[01:22] <MarkDude> lol
[01:22] <seidos> badgers, we don't need no stinking badgers.
[01:22] <pleia2> MarkDude: yes, her boyfriend is 34 :)
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[01:22] <pleia2> (my ex husband is 35! it was weird!)
[01:22] <DarkwingDuck> damn
[01:23] <seidos> erp
[01:23]  * MarkDude 's  Dad still rocks a Fu Manchu and he is like 60 or sumthin
[01:23]  * MarkDude feels leery about dating when I am old enough to be their dad
[01:24] <seidos> what do you guys think of this one, yay or nay "ubuntu for president"
[01:24] <pleia2> ubuntu wasn't born in the US and isn't old enough
[01:24] <seidos> it all sounds so *brilliant* in my own head
[01:24] <MarkDude> *Fear the Penguin*
[01:24] <MarkDude> pleia2, good points
[01:25] <seidos> the penguin fears batman
[01:25] <jtatum> wow. this sounds like must see tv
[01:25] <seidos> if Bill Gates dons a cowl we may be in trouble.
[01:25] <akk> "ubuntu for president" doesn't make much sense to me
[01:26] <seidos> it just sounds like the ravings a fanatic, doesn't it?
[01:27] <seidos> maybe that's the point though.  i'm actually trying to think of one liners that i'm actually a fan of.
[01:27] <seidos> or sound bites, rather.
[01:27] <seidos> i see it all as marketing games.
[02:04] <seidos> ah ha!  i think i have one.  "i like my technology like i like my people, open and honest."
[02:56] <MarkDude> that is a good quote seidos
[02:56] <seidos> i can think of a counter MarkDude :(
[02:56] <pleia2> seidos: oh hey, you coming out to the SF ubuntu hour tomorrow night?
[02:56] <seidos> "open" may sound "insecure" to some people T_T
[02:57] <MarkDude> seidos, ok transparent
[02:57]  * MarkDude is talking at Penlug about F14
[02:57] <pleia2> I thought larry was
[02:57] <MarkDude> Those people are hella professional
[02:58] <MarkDude> pleia2, well it appears they got an upgrade :D
[02:58] <MarkDude> lol
[02:58]  * MarkDude kids
[02:58] <MarkDude> He has to work
[02:58] <pleia2> oh no, I like larry more than you
[02:58] <pleia2> :P
[02:58] <pleia2> <3
[02:58] <MarkDude> :)
[02:59] <pleia2> I've only been to penlug once, I have to rent a zipcar to get there
[02:59] <pleia2> (the one time I went was when I met up with a fellow linuxchix member who was heading down)
[02:59] <MarkDude> I have been twice
[03:00] <pleia2> akk was doing a presentation, that was when I met her too :)
[03:00] <MarkDude> grantbow, was asked to answer a few questions - even tho he was just an audience member- he is that badass
[03:00] <pleia2> hehe
[03:01] <MarkDude> Hmm, I need to practice a bit
[03:12] <seidos> oh man, i just tried to do the one liner to my dad, and i blanked.
[03:12] <seidos> i'm going to have chant it or something
[03:15] <MarkDude> lol
[03:16] <MarkDude> nothing like telling a joke like a 5 year old :) the ol' wait,wait  I forgot this part
[03:16] <seidos> i managed to get it out after like 5 seconds
[03:17] <seidos> it's the fear of failure, it actually causes failure or something :o
[03:18] <MarkDude> Dont do self creating realities
[03:18]  * MarkDude tries to ignore those
[03:19] <MarkDude> Not chanting it tho, as much as practicing it with a rhythm, you'll be able to deliver the lie just fine
[03:23] <seidos> it is not a lie!
[03:23] <seidos> great, now i am speaking to your unconscious
[03:25] <MarkDude> um line
[03:25] <MarkDude> line
[03:25] <MarkDude> or the cake
[03:25] <MarkDude> You should be able to deliver the cake
[03:26] <pleia2> cake++
[03:29] <MarkDude> pleia2, did you see that cake we had at saxbys?
[03:29] <MarkDude> Not a ckewreck
[03:30] <MarkDude> or cakewreck
[03:30] <pleia2> nope
[03:30] <pleia2> I hate it when I miss cake :(
[03:31]  * MarkDude wants to do some orange colored cupcakes for the next Ubuntu release
[03:31] <MarkDude> http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/fifthpillar/files/2010/11/100_0354.jpg
[03:31] <pleia2> I've never made ubuntu cookies, I don't know why, I used to love to make christmas sugar cookies
[03:31] <pleia2> oh that's lovely!!
[03:32] <MarkDude> The people at Safeway were smart they ignored me when I said make it all blue
[03:32] <pleia2> strawberries :)
[03:32] <MarkDude> Chris was laughing as I described it
[03:32] <MarkDude> i had 2 people on the phone asking them questions
[03:32] <pleia2> I can see that
[03:33] <MarkDude> It was far more complicated then I imagined
[03:33] <pleia2> "I want a giant blue F"
[03:33] <MarkDude> Yep
[03:33] <MarkDude> And all I had was the tattoos
[03:33] <pleia2> hehe
[03:34] <MarkDude> so one of the bakers still had it on when we picked up the cake
[03:34] <MarkDude> Customer wants large F and strawberries
[03:35] <pleia2> hehe
[03:35] <MarkDude> What about cupcakes with whales?
[03:36] <MarkDude> Or orange frosting, and jono heads in the center :D
[03:36] <pleia2> I think that's your department
[03:37] <MarkDude> I just dont know how to do a whale- without doing a *whale tail*
[03:38] <MarkDude> So orange frosting- made with real oranges, and white ubuntu frosting logo sounds most common sensical
[03:43] <pleia2> now I really want to make ubuntu frosted sugar cookies, maybe I'll get my act together to get it done for the partimus fundraiser next week
[03:45] <MarkDude> That would be awesome
[03:45] <MarkDude> Did you see Christians invite to that TV thing next week?
[03:46] <pleia2> yeah, I spoke to Christian about it a few days ago and then nudged him to post to the -us-ca list today
[03:48] <MarkDude> Well I can do that if no one else will
[03:48] <MarkDude> Should I wear the suit?
[03:48] <MarkDude> lol
[03:48] <akk> Maybe ... not this time. :)
[03:49] <pleia2> lol
[03:49] <pleia2> I don't think they'd let you in :)
[03:49] <pleia2> I just learned that there is putty for linux
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> MarkDude: you around?
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> Licencing question :D
[03:52] <DarkwingDuck> or, however it's spelled
[03:52]  * DarkwingDuck notes to istall a spell check in irssi
[03:52] <pleia2> you need it
[03:52] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah I know
[03:52] <pleia2> hehe
[03:52] <DarkwingDuck> install BAH
[03:53] <DarkwingDuck> If someone has a prodect that is ASL or GPL and they change it when they push the software the source needs to be released along with it correct?
[03:54] <DarkwingDuck> that was ASL.GPL
[03:55] <akk> You can change the license for future versions if you're the copyright owner, but existing code that's already out there under an open license doesn't stop being open.
[03:55] <akk> (unless you're rich and have more lawyers than the other side, in which case, whatever you say, goes)
[03:56] <seidos> wouldn't you also need a judge in your pocket too?
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> So, if I have something that is GPL/ASL and I modify it I can change the copyright
[03:56] <akk> If all the code is yours, yes.
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> *nods* Or, changes to the code
[03:57] <akk> You can't take someone else's GPL code and relicense it.
[03:57] <akk> Even if you modify parts of it.
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[03:57] <seidos> does that mean if google's modified apache gets leaked, that it's free and open?
[03:57] <pleia2> this is why copyright ownership is such a major issue
[03:58] <akk> seidos: I believe so, if it's "published".
[03:58] <pleia2> seidos: no, "leaked" is not the same thing as "shipped"
[03:58] <pleia2> or whatever the specific term is
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> So, modifying ASL/GPL is still 100% ASL/GPL
[03:58] <akk> I think "publication" is what matters for copyright, but it's not entirely clear what that means.
[03:58] <seidos> "published" isn't the same as "shipped" either
[03:58] <seidos> posted to wikileaks!  \o/
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[04:28] <MarkDude> Hey there terror that flaps in the night- what ya got?
[07:23] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, your video has more than 200 views on the Youtube channel
[07:49] <MarkDude> I finally found the backup of my slides btw
[08:06] <MarkDude> So I have UW in my channels for chat, I just noticed it is not going here anymore :(
[08:06] <MarkDude> Apparently it hooks me up with #ub tho
[08:09] <MarkDude> It is ignoring the last few channels I have in my network list for freenode
[17:21] <MarkDude> Good morning Cali
[17:53] <pleia2> morning
[18:07] <jtatum> hi
[18:15] <jamal> morning :)
[18:16]  * MarkDude has decided to take a page from jtatum 's book - and have his slides ready and posted before the talk
[18:17] <MarkDude> Of course, there are too many pics of Penguins
[18:17] <jamal> MarkDude: Where are you doing a talk?
[18:19] <MarkDude> penlug
[18:19] <MarkDude> Larry had to work, so I am filling in
[18:20]  * MarkDude is stoked, this will be the 1st talk I am able to offer GidgetKitchen's FOSS computer lab for any local events
[18:21] <MarkDude> If anyone has a local FOSS event let me know if you would like some laptops brought, for people to check emails, or maybe just to try Linux
[18:21] <MarkDude> It can be done with or *without* the Penguin suit
[18:24] <jtatum> that's exciting MarkDude :)
[18:25] <MarkDude> Well it is 3 pretty fast computers, way more if P3 would be ok
[18:25] <MarkDude> It is modeled after how FreeGeek does theirs
[18:26] <MarkDude> It is really nice to have momentum again, I felt like I was really spinning my wheels last year
[18:50] <seidos> 9.99e30102
[18:55] <seidos> to 1
[18:55] <seidos> those are some crazy odds
[19:01] <MarkDude> seidos, is *e* a number or numeral?
[19:01] <pleia2> exponent
[19:11] <MarkDude> shh pleia2 I was hoping to hear more form seidos on what the odds were in relation to, sounds like some C3PO stuff
[19:11] <MarkDude> :)
[19:14] <seidos> C3PO says 4370 to 1 i think...
[19:14] <seidos> well, it's definitely under 5000 to 1
[19:20] <MarkDude> Ok, odds of what tho?
[19:21] <MarkDude> http://www.slideshare.net/markterranova/whats-new-in-f14
[19:21] <MarkDude> Too many pics of penguins?
[19:25] <akk> That last one really doesn't look like a penguin unless you know what it is -- looks more like just another silly mark picture.
[19:26] <MarkDude> akk, good point.
[19:27] <MarkDude> Luckily I have roughly 1 million other penguin pics :)
[19:45] <jledbetter> That is definitely penguinified!
[19:47] <MarkDude> lol
[19:48] <MarkDude> akk is correct, I will use a better pic at the end
[19:57] <jledbetter> MarkDude, Did you love penguins before you loved Linux or was it the other way around?
[19:58]  * MarkDude was always amused about penguins, ever since childhood
[19:59] <MarkDude> Linux is to blame for my fascination tho
[19:59] <MarkDude> lets just say I would not be running around with a penguin suit if I did not relate to my field of endeavor
[20:09] <pleia2> I just love animals
[20:09] <pleia2> (so I use ubuntu!)
[20:16] <MarkDude> Speaking of animals,  Jono has a live Ustream happening now; http://www.ustream.tv/channel/severed-fifth-live-in-the-studio
[20:16] <MarkDude> lol
[20:29] <jledbetter> Neat