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mhall119itnet7: meeting tonight?01:01
himurakenmhall119, was wondering the same here...01:03
mhall119there's no agenda01:04
mhall119if anybody wants to have the meeting I'll chair it, otherwise we'll wait until the next one01:04
itnet7Here now sorry01:04
itnet7I didn't get a reminder on my phone, and we were trimming the tree :-)01:04
mhall119no problem01:05
mhall119I don't think we've got anything going on01:05
itnet7No one has added any agenda itmes01:05
mhall119motion to early adjourn01:05
itnet7sounds good to me01:05
itnet7crazy holidays :-P01:05
himurakenCool, take it easy yall.01:06
X-Mangood evening 01:07
itnet7X-Man culb thanks for joining, but since no one has added any agenda items we have cancelled the meeting01:07
itnet7How are you X-Man ?01:07
itnet7ttyl himuraken !01:07
X-Manitnet7, good getting ready to flash my samsung vibrant the rom came out yesterday01:08
X-Manitnet7, I see you have been doing more geocaching01:08
itnet7X-Man: what version of Anroid will that get you to?01:09
X-Man2.201:09
itnet7X-Man: yes a lot lately01:09
itnet7Nice!!01:09
X-Manitnet7,  are you going to the uds in hungry/01:10
itnet7I actually drove down to sebastian over the weekend and found my first FTF (First to find)01:10
itnet7it was really cool!01:10
X-Manitnet7, very nice01:10
itnet7Do you geocache where you live?01:11
itnet7I have 90 finds01:11
X-Manitnet7, I haven't but there is a lot of it, we have a national forest in our area with alot if finds01:12
itnet7X-Man: you live in J-ville right?01:12
X-Manitnet7, Tallahassee01:12
itnet7Wow!01:12
itnet7There is one that I had wanted to do over that way for my 10001:12
X-Manitnet7, it needs to get a little warmer for me to get out, it was 34 this morning01:13
itnet7Whoa!01:14
X-Mana few weeks ago it was a nice 70 degrees01:14
itnet7They say it's supposed to be like a yo yo in the next couple of upcoming weeks01:15
X-Manitnet7, If you come up and do that find, let me know and I will go with you01:15
itnet7Oh, sweet, it's a little further NW than tallahassee even01:16
itnet7I am trying to find a link for it now01:16
X-Manitnet7, which IRC client do you use?01:16
X-Manitnet7, is the find still in Florida?01:17
itnet7Yes01:17
itnet7I should have written it down01:21
itnet7X-Man: found it: http://coord.info/GC20YZQ01:23
X-Manitnet7, I looked it up, it is in Niceville, It said to have found 99 find before doing the Niceville one, Why is that?01:25
itnet7Just because they wanted it to be a milestone cache01:25
itnet7If you do it for you #100 and can prove it by the screenshotting the stat page, they'll add your name to the list01:26
X-Mancool01:26
itnet7Yeah, kind of neat!01:26
itnet7You could still go with me, they just won't give you smiley until your over 99 finds01:27
X-ManI see01:27
itnet7Pretty darn far though!01:27
itnet7391 miles01:27
itnet7from here01:28
X-Manyeah it is like 2 hours from here01:28
itnet7Wow!01:28
itnet7I can do it at anytime after my 99, so perhaps if you decide to get back into it, and get up there in numbers I can visit and we can do it01:29
itnet7not try to pressure you btw01:29
itnet7trying *01:29
itnet7Good going jamal !01:29
jamalitnet7: thanks :)01:30
itnet7even britta got photo credits :-)01:31
X-Mangood night all01:31
itnet7gnight X-Man !01:31
itnet7ttys01:31
jamalbanshee will be the default music player for natty?01:31
mhall119jamal: yup01:59
mhall119which means Mono is sticking around in the default install for the forseable future01:59
DammitJimwho has a rooted android phone?02:26
himurakenDammitJim, i02:28
DammitJimhimuraken, can you check for wpa_supplicant.conf in your /data/misc/wifi folder, please?02:30
himurakenSec02:30
DammitJimI want to make sure that file is there02:30
DammitJim'su' of course!02:30
himuraken....mounting02:32
DammitJimmounting????02:32
himurakenwas plugging in phone02:32
DammitJimoh ok02:32
himurakenSo its on flash not sd eh?02:32
himurakensec then.02:32
DammitJimI guess that's easier than using terminal on the phone02:32
DammitJim:D02:32
himurakenYeha that was my thought02:33
DammitJimI think /data is in flash02:33
himurakenmount only shows sd02:33
himurakensec checking term02:33
DammitJimI would do02:34
DammitJimsu02:34
DammitJimcd /data02:34
DammitJimcd misc02:34
DammitJimcd wifi02:34
DammitJimcat wpa_supplicant.conf02:34
DammitJimor from adb02:34
DammitJimfind / -name 'wifi'02:34
himurakenno misc sub02:34
himurakenstandby searching02:34
DammitJimk, thanks02:35
DammitJimwhat rom are you running?02:35
himurakenYeah I have the supplicant.conf02:35
himurakencyanogen.02:35
himurakenWow thats openly readable (scary)02:36
himurakenNeed anything else DammitJim ?02:36
himurakenPM if you want me to try anything else for you DammitJim 02:37
DammitJimthank you02:40
DammitJimwhat directory was wpa_supplicant.conf in?02:40
himurakenDammitJim, /data/misc/wifi/ on flash11:35
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chattrabout t minus 35 minutes for SpaceX Falcon 9 launch13:32
reya276Morning Everyone14:13
chattrhey, reya276.  Falcon 9 launch countdown aborted at t minus 2:50, clock is reset to t minus 13 and holding14:17
reya276word!14:17
reya276ok I have no clue what that is, is the US launching something14:18
reya276and no one told me Darn it14:18
chattrSpaceX private company launch.14:18
reya276oh ok, cool. Where is it going?14:19
chattrfirst private company into orbit14:19
chattrhttp://www.spacex.com/webcast.php14:19
reya276Mars, a Satellite etc....14:19
reya276cool, thanks14:19
reya276Nice, I like the website looks kinda like Space.com14:20
chattrit'll attempt to orbit the Dragon reusable spacecraft.  Dragon may in future resupply the space station and carry crew14:20
reya276wow that is a pretty big rocket for it being a private company and all14:20
chattrstill financed by taxpayers atm.  future, who knows?14:21
reya276oh that would be awesome as they can actually make this usable, meaning expanding and or rebuilding the space station14:21
reya276well but at least NASA is not running the show14:21
chattrNASA at KSC has been very hard hit recently14:22
chattrI'm about 75 miles north of KSC, btw14:22
reya276They keep too many secrets from us, to find out what I'm talking about you have to read a book called "Dark Mission" by Richard C. Hogland14:23
chattrno, haven't heard of it, actually14:24
chattrsorry, misunderstood, thought you asked if I had read that book14:24
chattrback in a little while14:27
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ShawnRso, i was just browsing around and found neo office... openoffice for macs15:28
ShawnRi thought OO was based on java and therefore, already multi-platform15:28
reya276for Ubuntu?15:28
reya276well its available for all platforms15:28
ShawnRno, for mac (i know slightly off topic)15:29
ShawnRi'm reading the site, they redid it in mac os x code and i guess has seed imrovements15:29
reya276yes for mac they do too its called Neo Office15:29
ShawnRi guess i just don't see the reason to totally re-write the code, oh well15:29
reya276well I think the reason(not 100% sure) is that MAC OSX had some issues with the existing code which all the other OS share, so they had to make some modifications to it, mainly due to the way it looks. I don't think for mac you can just use a GTK theme15:32
reya276And also it could be due to some Java VM differences as well but again I'm not 100% sure15:33
reya276regardless of the issues is still a pretty good piece of software and a great alternative to MS Office any given day dude15:34
ShawnRoh definitely15:34
ShawnRyou might be right with the gtk issue15:34
maxolasersquadreya276: I don't know how OO looks on a mac, but the GTK apps I've seen on macs do not integrate with the menu bar, and can make the experience feel very off.15:50
tiemonsterYEAH!15:53
tiemonsterpretty cool stuff15:53
mhall119ShawnR: OpenOffice is writted primarily in C or C++16:07
mhall119only some parts, like OO.o Base, make extensive use of Java16:07
mhall119the design of OO.o separates the UI from the rest of the app, what Neo Office did was write a new UI in Java using the Cocoa/Java interface on OSX16:08
mhall119so that it would behave like a native OSX application16:09
mhall119rather than running a GTK interface over X1116:09
mhall119I think recently there was work going into an Objective-C/Cocoa UI, instead of a Java-based one16:11
mhall119but with the Oracle acquisition and subsequent LibreOffice split, I don't know what's become of that16:11
reya276maxolasersquad, my brother uses it on his mac book pro and he says is great, works just like the Ubuntu version16:17
reya276ShawnR, yeah like mhall119 stated the issues which Oracle has brought to the table can make things complicated for that development, but I'm pretty sure the Libre Office folks may render some assistance to the team that produces that version16:19
reya276ShawnR, but yeah aside from the GUI stuff my brother says there is no real difference between the two versions, so you can use then existing versions in both with no issues as of right now16:21
reya276ShawnR, my brother an I share files back and forth sometimes and there is no document formating loss or anything like that. Be it in the native ODT, OTT or DOC format. The only issues we have encountered is the dreaded DOCX junk, that even looks bad in its native MS OFFICE so go figure16:23
mhall119there is not functional difference between OpenOffice and NeoOffice, the non-UI code is the same16:28
DammitJimanyone with a rooted android phone?16:40
reya276WOW!  MYSQL Workbench is Awesome16:51
ShawnRDammitJim: no, but i have plenty of friends who have, any question i can answer for ya?17:07
tiemonsterif someone attends an event, what object refers to their actual attendance, and what is the plural? attendances?17:29
MichelleQ1tiemonster: say what?17:31
tiemonsterI know17:31
MichelleQ1I attended event x and y17:31
tiemonsterI'm writing a program to track event attendance17:31
tiemonsterI need an object to track the event of you attending an event17:31
MichelleQ1attendence17:31
tiemonsterwhat's the plural?17:32
MichelleQ1attendence17:32
tiemonsterlol. never mind.17:32
MichelleQ1yeah, I'm confused.  I think you're using a term that doesn't work as an object.17:33
tiemonsteralways17:34
tiemonsterI always find myself in these situations ;-)17:34
MichelleQ1:-p  17:34
rmcbrideDammitJim: just checking the backlog. my Captivate is rooted18:35
DammitJimrmcbride, can you check where wpa_supplicant.conf is?18:36
rmcbrideDammitJim: yea, let me go get it and fire up adb18:36
DammitJimty18:36
DammitJimyeah, you can do all this in adb shell18:36
rmcbrideHmm. I thought for sure I had that installed no this laptop... one sec18:38
DammitJimlol18:40
DammitJimyou can use the cruel terminal emulator on your phone :)18:40
rmcbrideHmm. I never installed that. I'm jsut futzing with perms on teh USB node now. been a while since we did our android session at my team sprint18:41
DammitJimthanks!18:41
rmcbrideDammitJim: strangely, it is NOT in etc/. Still digging18:54
DammitJimfind / -name 'wpa_supplicant.conf'18:55
DammitJimI've found it in /data/misc/wifi before18:55
DammitJimsu first, of course18:55
rmcbrideah right. was trying locate18:55
rmcbrideDammitJim: it's in /sys/etc/wifi18:57
rmcbridesorry /system/etc/wifi/18:57
DammitJimthere must be another file18:57
DammitJimcan you cat wpa_supplicant.conf from /sys/etc/wifi ?18:57
DammitJimplease18:57
rmcbridethat's the only thing that locate turns up, I'll look18:57
rmcbriderather I'll cat it18:57
rmcbrideit's fairly long, with all the example stanzas and such. 18:59
DammitJimis there an entry for passphrase?18:59
rmcbridelooking19:00
rmcbrideDammitJim: there are fields like that in the example stanzas19:02
DammitJimwow, this is nuts19:02
rmcbrideDammitJim: the only thing I see that's not commented out is "control_interface"19:02
DammitJimyeah, I'm actually looking for the file that has the configuration for all your APs you have associated with19:02
DammitJimin that file, you'll see ssid, passphrase, encryption, etc19:03
rmcbrideright. I kind of thought this would be it...the scrollback on this tterminal is less-than optimal19:03
DammitJimI hear you19:04
DammitJimthank you for looking19:04
DammitJimis there anything in /data/wifi19:04
DammitJimor /data/misc/wifi?19:04
rmcbrideno problem. (looking now)19:04
rmcbridedata/misc/wifi has sockets and eth0, sockets contains two wpa_ctrl_2254-? files19:08
rmcbridedata/wifi has bcm_supp.conf19:08
rmcbrideand I had to remember not to lead that with /19:08
rmcbridewhen typing into IRC X|19:08
DammitJimok, coll19:10
DammitJimso, you have bcm_supp.conf19:10
DammitJimcat bcm_supp.conf19:10
DammitJimdo you see passphrases in there?19:10
rmcbrideYeo19:11
rmcbrideyep19:11
DammitJimok, thanks19:11
rmcbrideand all the SSIDs of all the aps I've used19:11
DammitJimso, this is in a captivate?19:11
DammitJimwhat rom are you running?19:11
rmcbrideJH7 right now I think, one sec19:12
rmcbridebaseband is the JH7 I was thinking of, I'm not running anything custom, just the 2.1 with gps update19:12
rmcbridewe don't have froyo yet :(19:12
DammitJimok, awesome!19:13
rmcbrideI didn't even think to look for a terminal emulator for this thing, thanks for that. It will help. my system developed a bad habit of creating USB nodes for this that I don't have rights to by default19:13
DammitJimthanks for spending the time looking!19:13
rmcbridenot a problem Glad to help. Now I need to get a bluetooth keyboard for this thing :)19:14
Slizzurd`Connectbot is a freat terminal emulator19:15
Slizzurd`great19:15
rmcbrideI'll have a look. Just was using the free google one, but I could definitely do with a better one 19:15
Slizzurd`Connectbot is an ssh client but to connect locally just select local and use any name19:16
rmcbrideOh.19:16
rmcbrideI guess that's the ssh client I had installed19:16
rmcbrideI didn't even think to see if it had that capability. Cool19:16
Slizzurd`neither did i until I rooted mine :-)19:17
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rmcbrideYea now I definitely need a hardware keyboard19:19
DammitJimSlizzurd`, what phone do you have?19:20
mhall119bzr bd == awesome19:20
Slizzurd`Yeah, that is a big factor when I get phones. My girl friends iphone is too small but I can't help but use it since she has unlimited data :-)19:20
rmcbrideyes, yess it is mhall11919:20
Slizzurd`DammitJim: Motorola backflip for now.19:21
DammitJimcool19:21
DammitJimcan you check if you have wpa_supplicant.conf?19:21
rmcbrideyea my iphone has the unlimited, not the captivate unfortunately19:21
Slizzurd`I do in /data/misc/wifi19:21
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DammitJiminteresting19:31
DammitJimwhat ROM are you running?19:31
itnet7zoopster: ping19:55
zoopsteryes sir itnet719:55
itnet7pm please?19:56
DammitJimdo we have an rsa encryption/decryption expert in the house?20:22
mhall119crashsystems used to be our resident crypto-guru20:28
ShawnRso just a random question, if you have multiple boxes running as a server vs desktop, do you use the same login name for each, or do you have a different login name for each box?20:35
mhall119DammitJim: I might be able to answer your question20:36
mhall119ShawnR: depends on your setup20:36
mhall119you can either create separate user accounts on each box, or use something like LDAP to centralize them20:37
mhall119or NIS/YP20:37
mhall119or even Active Directory20:38
ShawnRmhall119: one box is my ubuntu server, right now it does everything, LAMP, music streaming, smb/nfs/ftp... i plan to split some of those up with a centos box (i'm trying to learn some CentOS in hopes i'll ever get a job as a sysadmin)20:38
mhall119you can have separate accounts with identical usernames though20:38
ShawnRi might mess with some ldap or AD stuffs, like i said, i wanna get some learning for an enterprise environment (without screwing with my wife's windows laptop)20:39
ShawnRi didn't see where the problem would be with two of the same user names, so long as hostnames are obv. different, but didn't know if it would conflict at any time (like setting system permissions and having the same username and diff passwords or something)20:40
maxolasersquadShawnR: You are confused.  Screwing up your spouses stuff is part of the fun of doing IT stuff for the house.20:47
mhall119ShawnR: easiest setup for you would be to use the same username and enable public key authentication on ssh20:55
DammitJimmhall119, I'm trying to decrypt something in java that was encrypted in .NET21:00
DammitJimusing RSA...21:00
DammitJimI got all this modulus, p, n, q, exponent, etc21:01
DammitJimit's a mess!21:01
mhall119:(21:01
DammitJimthere is no straight forward documentation for java on the steps to follow for rsa21:01
DammitJimaes seems to be much simpler!21:01
mhall119yeah, sorry, I never did anything like that21:04
maxolasersquadAnyone else seen http://www.saveaswwf.com/en/21:07
maxolasersquadI call bs.  A file format that is not printable?21:07
mhall119maxolasersquad: it probably just uses some PDF setting that tells the client to disallow printing21:17
mhall119meaning the PDF viewer must voluntarily comply21:20
maxolasersquadmhall119: Yeah, an application-level enforcement is the only way.  The idea is stupid from the get-go anyhow.21:28
DammitJimmhall119, remind me about classes vs interfaces?21:43
DammitJimI can't instantiate an interface, but what can I do with it?21:43
DammitJimimplement?extend?21:44
mhall119DammitJim: your classes implement an interface21:44
mhall119you can also define an interface that extends another interface21:45
DammitJimthere is an RSAPrivateKeySpec class21:45
DammitJimand there is an RSAPrivateKey interface21:45
DammitJimI need to somehow use the interface for my cipher21:45
mhall119you'll need to create an instance of a class that implements that interface21:46
DammitJimand then instantiate it?21:46
mhall119yes21:46
DammitJimwhat about my class, though?21:57
ShawnRinteresting22:15
ShawnRre: save to wwf22:15
zoopsterShawnR: what's so interesting about it?23:23
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ShawnRzoopster: it is just an unprintable pdf23:39
ShawnRseems like a lot of effort just to make sure no one "wastes a tree"23:40
zoopsterbut it will print just fine23:55
zoopsterit's just an encrypted pdf and as such any pdf viewer that does not speak the mac encryption will allow it to print just fine23:56
zoopsterand its rather simple to convert back to a pdf apparently23:57
zoopsterjust use pdftops and then ps2pdf23:58

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