[01:01] <mhall119> itnet7: meeting tonight?
[01:03] <himuraken> mhall119, was wondering the same here...
[01:04] <mhall119> there's no agenda
[01:04] <mhall119> if anybody wants to have the meeting I'll chair it, otherwise we'll wait until the next one
[01:04] <itnet7> Here now sorry
[01:04] <itnet7> I didn't get a reminder on my phone, and we were trimming the tree :-)
[01:05] <mhall119> no problem
[01:05] <mhall119> I don't think we've got anything going on
[01:05] <itnet7> No one has added any agenda itmes
[01:05] <mhall119> motion to early adjourn
[01:05] <itnet7> sounds good to me
[01:05] <itnet7> crazy holidays :-P
[01:06] <himuraken> Cool, take it easy yall.
[01:07] <X-Man> good evening 
[01:07] <itnet7> X-Man culb thanks for joining, but since no one has added any agenda items we have cancelled the meeting
[01:07] <itnet7> How are you X-Man ?
[01:07] <itnet7> ttyl himuraken !
[01:08] <X-Man> itnet7, good getting ready to flash my samsung vibrant the rom came out yesterday
[01:08] <X-Man> itnet7, I see you have been doing more geocaching
[01:09] <itnet7> X-Man: what version of Anroid will that get you to?
[01:09] <X-Man> 2.2
[01:09] <itnet7> X-Man: yes a lot lately
[01:09] <itnet7> Nice!!
[01:10] <X-Man> itnet7,  are you going to the uds in hungry/
[01:10] <itnet7> I actually drove down to sebastian over the weekend and found my first FTF (First to find)
[01:10] <itnet7> it was really cool!
[01:10] <X-Man> itnet7, very nice
[01:11] <itnet7> Do you geocache where you live?
[01:11] <itnet7> I have 90 finds
[01:12] <X-Man> itnet7, I haven't but there is a lot of it, we have a national forest in our area with alot if finds
[01:12] <itnet7> X-Man: you live in J-ville right?
[01:12] <X-Man> itnet7, Tallahassee
[01:12] <itnet7> Wow!
[01:12] <itnet7> There is one that I had wanted to do over that way for my 100
[01:13] <X-Man> itnet7, it needs to get a little warmer for me to get out, it was 34 this morning
[01:14] <itnet7> Whoa!
[01:14] <X-Man> a few weeks ago it was a nice 70 degrees
[01:15] <itnet7> They say it's supposed to be like a yo yo in the next couple of upcoming weeks
[01:15] <X-Man> itnet7, If you come up and do that find, let me know and I will go with you
[01:16] <itnet7> Oh, sweet, it's a little further NW than tallahassee even
[01:16] <itnet7> I am trying to find a link for it now
[01:16] <X-Man> itnet7, which IRC client do you use?
[01:17] <X-Man> itnet7, is the find still in Florida?
[01:17] <itnet7> Yes
[01:21] <itnet7> I should have written it down
[01:23] <itnet7> X-Man: found it: http://coord.info/GC20YZQ
[01:25] <X-Man> itnet7, I looked it up, it is in Niceville, It said to have found 99 find before doing the Niceville one, Why is that?
[01:25] <itnet7> Just because they wanted it to be a milestone cache
[01:26] <itnet7> If you do it for you #100 and can prove it by the screenshotting the stat page, they'll add your name to the list
[01:26] <X-Man> cool
[01:26] <itnet7> Yeah, kind of neat!
[01:27] <itnet7> You could still go with me, they just won't give you smiley until your over 99 finds
[01:27] <X-Man> I see
[01:27] <itnet7> Pretty darn far though!
[01:27] <itnet7> 391 miles
[01:28] <itnet7> from here
[01:28] <X-Man> yeah it is like 2 hours from here
[01:28] <itnet7> Wow!
[01:29] <itnet7> I can do it at anytime after my 99, so perhaps if you decide to get back into it, and get up there in numbers I can visit and we can do it
[01:29] <itnet7> not try to pressure you btw
[01:29] <itnet7> trying *
[01:29] <itnet7> Good going jamal !
[01:30] <jamal> itnet7: thanks :)
[01:31] <itnet7> even britta got photo credits :-)
[01:31] <X-Man> good night all
[01:31] <itnet7> gnight X-Man !
[01:31] <itnet7> ttys
[01:31] <jamal> banshee will be the default music player for natty?
[01:59] <mhall119> jamal: yup
[01:59] <mhall119> which means Mono is sticking around in the default install for the forseable future
[02:26] <DammitJim> who has a rooted android phone?
[02:28] <himuraken> DammitJim, i
[02:30] <DammitJim> himuraken, can you check for wpa_supplicant.conf in your /data/misc/wifi folder, please?
[02:30] <himuraken> Sec
[02:30] <DammitJim> I want to make sure that file is there
[02:30] <DammitJim> 'su' of course!
[02:32] <himuraken> ....mounting
[02:32] <DammitJim> mounting????
[02:32] <himuraken> was plugging in phone
[02:32] <DammitJim> oh ok
[02:32] <himuraken> So its on flash not sd eh?
[02:32] <himuraken> sec then.
[02:32] <DammitJim> I guess that's easier than using terminal on the phone
[02:32] <DammitJim> :D
[02:33] <himuraken> Yeha that was my thought
[02:33] <DammitJim> I think /data is in flash
[02:33] <himuraken> mount only shows sd
[02:33] <himuraken> sec checking term
[02:34] <DammitJim> I would do
[02:34] <DammitJim> su
[02:34] <DammitJim> cd /data
[02:34] <DammitJim> cd misc
[02:34] <DammitJim> cd wifi
[02:34] <DammitJim> cat wpa_supplicant.conf
[02:34] <DammitJim> or from adb
[02:34] <DammitJim> find / -name 'wifi'
[02:34] <himuraken> no misc sub
[02:34] <himuraken> standby searching
[02:35] <DammitJim> k, thanks
[02:35] <DammitJim> what rom are you running?
[02:35] <himuraken> Yeah I have the supplicant.conf
[02:35] <himuraken> cyanogen.
[02:36] <himuraken> Wow thats openly readable (scary)
[02:36] <himuraken> Need anything else DammitJim ?
[02:37] <himuraken> PM if you want me to try anything else for you DammitJim 
[02:40] <DammitJim> thank you
[02:40] <DammitJim> what directory was wpa_supplicant.conf in?
[11:35] <himuraken> DammitJim, /data/misc/wifi/ on flash
[13:32] <chattr> about t minus 35 minutes for SpaceX Falcon 9 launch
[14:13] <reya276> Morning Everyone
[14:17] <chattr> hey, reya276.  Falcon 9 launch countdown aborted at t minus 2:50, clock is reset to t minus 13 and holding
[14:17] <reya276> word!
[14:18] <reya276> ok I have no clue what that is, is the US launching something
[14:18] <reya276> and no one told me Darn it
[14:18] <chattr> SpaceX private company launch.
[14:19] <reya276> oh ok, cool. Where is it going?
[14:19] <chattr> first private company into orbit
[14:19] <chattr> http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php
[14:19] <reya276> Mars, a Satellite etc....
[14:19] <reya276> cool, thanks
[14:20] <reya276> Nice, I like the website looks kinda like Space.com
[14:20] <chattr> it'll attempt to orbit the Dragon reusable spacecraft.  Dragon may in future resupply the space station and carry crew
[14:20] <reya276> wow that is a pretty big rocket for it being a private company and all
[14:21] <chattr> still financed by taxpayers atm.  future, who knows?
[14:21] <reya276> oh that would be awesome as they can actually make this usable, meaning expanding and or rebuilding the space station
[14:21] <reya276> well but at least NASA is not running the show
[14:22] <chattr> NASA at KSC has been very hard hit recently
[14:22] <chattr> I'm about 75 miles north of KSC, btw
[14:23] <reya276> They keep too many secrets from us, to find out what I'm talking about you have to read a book called "Dark Mission" by Richard C. Hogland
[14:24] <chattr> no, haven't heard of it, actually
[14:24] <chattr> sorry, misunderstood, thought you asked if I had read that book
[14:27] <chattr> back in a little while
[15:28] <ShawnR> so, i was just browsing around and found neo office... openoffice for macs
[15:28] <ShawnR> i thought OO was based on java and therefore, already multi-platform
[15:28] <reya276> for Ubuntu?
[15:28] <reya276> well its available for all platforms
[15:29] <ShawnR> no, for mac (i know slightly off topic)
[15:29] <ShawnR> i'm reading the site, they redid it in mac os x code and i guess has seed imrovements
[15:29] <reya276> yes for mac they do too its called Neo Office
[15:29] <ShawnR> i guess i just don't see the reason to totally re-write the code, oh well
[15:32] <reya276> well I think the reason(not 100% sure) is that MAC OSX had some issues with the existing code which all the other OS share, so they had to make some modifications to it, mainly due to the way it looks. I don't think for mac you can just use a GTK theme
[15:33] <reya276> And also it could be due to some Java VM differences as well but again I'm not 100% sure
[15:34] <reya276> regardless of the issues is still a pretty good piece of software and a great alternative to MS Office any given day dude
[15:34] <ShawnR> oh definitely
[15:34] <ShawnR> you might be right with the gtk issue
[15:50] <maxolasersquad> reya276: I don't know how OO looks on a mac, but the GTK apps I've seen on macs do not integrate with the menu bar, and can make the experience feel very off.
[15:53] <tiemonster> YEAH!
[15:53] <tiemonster> pretty cool stuff
[16:07] <mhall119> ShawnR: OpenOffice is writted primarily in C or C++
[16:07] <mhall119> only some parts, like OO.o Base, make extensive use of Java
[16:08] <mhall119> the design of OO.o separates the UI from the rest of the app, what Neo Office did was write a new UI in Java using the Cocoa/Java interface on OSX
[16:09] <mhall119> so that it would behave like a native OSX application
[16:09] <mhall119> rather than running a GTK interface over X11
[16:11] <mhall119> I think recently there was work going into an Objective-C/Cocoa UI, instead of a Java-based one
[16:11] <mhall119> but with the Oracle acquisition and subsequent LibreOffice split, I don't know what's become of that
[16:17] <reya276> maxolasersquad, my brother uses it on his mac book pro and he says is great, works just like the Ubuntu version
[16:19] <reya276> ShawnR, yeah like mhall119 stated the issues which Oracle has brought to the table can make things complicated for that development, but I'm pretty sure the Libre Office folks may render some assistance to the team that produces that version
[16:21] <reya276> ShawnR, but yeah aside from the GUI stuff my brother says there is no real difference between the two versions, so you can use then existing versions in both with no issues as of right now
[16:23] <reya276> ShawnR, my brother an I share files back and forth sometimes and there is no document formating loss or anything like that. Be it in the native ODT, OTT or DOC format. The only issues we have encountered is the dreaded DOCX junk, that even looks bad in its native MS OFFICE so go figure
[16:28] <mhall119> there is not functional difference between OpenOffice and NeoOffice, the non-UI code is the same
[16:40] <DammitJim> anyone with a rooted android phone?
[16:51] <reya276> WOW!  MYSQL Workbench is Awesome
[17:07] <ShawnR> DammitJim: no, but i have plenty of friends who have, any question i can answer for ya?
[17:29] <tiemonster> if someone attends an event, what object refers to their actual attendance, and what is the plural? attendances?
[17:31] <MichelleQ1> tiemonster: say what?
[17:31] <tiemonster> I know
[17:31] <MichelleQ1> I attended event x and y
[17:31] <tiemonster> I'm writing a program to track event attendance
[17:31] <tiemonster> I need an object to track the event of you attending an event
[17:31] <MichelleQ1> attendence
[17:32] <tiemonster> what's the plural?
[17:32] <MichelleQ1> attendence
[17:32] <tiemonster> lol. never mind.
[17:33] <MichelleQ1> yeah, I'm confused.  I think you're using a term that doesn't work as an object.
[17:34] <tiemonster> always
[17:34] <tiemonster> I always find myself in these situations ;-)
[17:34] <MichelleQ1> :-p  
[18:35] <rmcbride> DammitJim: just checking the backlog. my Captivate is rooted
[18:36] <DammitJim> rmcbride, can you check where wpa_supplicant.conf is?
[18:36] <rmcbride> DammitJim: yea, let me go get it and fire up adb
[18:36] <DammitJim> ty
[18:36] <DammitJim> yeah, you can do all this in adb shell
[18:38] <rmcbride> Hmm. I thought for sure I had that installed no this laptop... one sec
[18:40] <DammitJim> lol
[18:40] <DammitJim> you can use the cruel terminal emulator on your phone :)
[18:41] <rmcbride> Hmm. I never installed that. I'm jsut futzing with perms on teh USB node now. been a while since we did our android session at my team sprint
[18:41] <DammitJim> thanks!
[18:54] <rmcbride> DammitJim: strangely, it is NOT in etc/. Still digging
[18:55] <DammitJim> find / -name 'wpa_supplicant.conf'
[18:55] <DammitJim> I've found it in /data/misc/wifi before
[18:55] <DammitJim> su first, of course
[18:55] <rmcbride> ah right. was trying locate
[18:57] <rmcbride> DammitJim: it's in /sys/etc/wifi
[18:57] <rmcbride> sorry /system/etc/wifi/
[18:57] <DammitJim> there must be another file
[18:57] <DammitJim> can you cat wpa_supplicant.conf from /sys/etc/wifi ?
[18:57] <DammitJim> please
[18:57] <rmcbride> that's the only thing that locate turns up, I'll look
[18:57] <rmcbride> rather I'll cat it
[18:59] <rmcbride> it's fairly long, with all the example stanzas and such. 
[18:59] <DammitJim> is there an entry for passphrase?
[19:00] <rmcbride> looking
[19:02] <rmcbride> DammitJim: there are fields like that in the example stanzas
[19:02] <DammitJim> wow, this is nuts
[19:02] <rmcbride> DammitJim: the only thing I see that's not commented out is "control_interface"
[19:02] <DammitJim> yeah, I'm actually looking for the file that has the configuration for all your APs you have associated with
[19:03] <DammitJim> in that file, you'll see ssid, passphrase, encryption, etc
[19:03] <rmcbride> right. I kind of thought this would be it...the scrollback on this tterminal is less-than optimal
[19:04] <DammitJim> I hear you
[19:04] <DammitJim> thank you for looking
[19:04] <DammitJim> is there anything in /data/wifi
[19:04] <DammitJim> or /data/misc/wifi?
[19:04] <rmcbride> no problem. (looking now)
[19:08] <rmcbride> data/misc/wifi has sockets and eth0, sockets contains two wpa_ctrl_2254-? files
[19:08] <rmcbride> data/wifi has bcm_supp.conf
[19:08] <rmcbride> and I had to remember not to lead that with /
[19:08] <rmcbride> when typing into IRC X|
[19:10] <DammitJim> ok, coll
[19:10] <DammitJim> so, you have bcm_supp.conf
[19:10] <DammitJim> cat bcm_supp.conf
[19:10] <DammitJim> do you see passphrases in there?
[19:11] <rmcbride> Yeo
[19:11] <rmcbride> yep
[19:11] <DammitJim> ok, thanks
[19:11] <rmcbride> and all the SSIDs of all the aps I've used
[19:11] <DammitJim> so, this is in a captivate?
[19:11] <DammitJim> what rom are you running?
[19:12] <rmcbride> JH7 right now I think, one sec
[19:12] <rmcbride> baseband is the JH7 I was thinking of, I'm not running anything custom, just the 2.1 with gps update
[19:12] <rmcbride> we don't have froyo yet :(
[19:13] <DammitJim> ok, awesome!
[19:13] <rmcbride> I didn't even think to look for a terminal emulator for this thing, thanks for that. It will help. my system developed a bad habit of creating USB nodes for this that I don't have rights to by default
[19:13] <DammitJim> thanks for spending the time looking!
[19:14] <rmcbride> not a problem Glad to help. Now I need to get a bluetooth keyboard for this thing :)
[19:15] <Slizzurd`> Connectbot is a freat terminal emulator
[19:15] <Slizzurd`> great
[19:15] <rmcbride> I'll have a look. Just was using the free google one, but I could definitely do with a better one 
[19:16] <Slizzurd`> Connectbot is an ssh client but to connect locally just select local and use any name
[19:16] <rmcbride> Oh.
[19:16] <rmcbride> I guess that's the ssh client I had installed
[19:16] <rmcbride> I didn't even think to see if it had that capability. Cool
[19:17] <Slizzurd`> neither did i until I rooted mine :-)
[19:19] <rmcbride> Yea now I definitely need a hardware keyboard
[19:20] <DammitJim> Slizzurd`, what phone do you have?
[19:20] <mhall119> bzr bd == awesome
[19:20] <Slizzurd`> Yeah, that is a big factor when I get phones. My girl friends iphone is too small but I can't help but use it since she has unlimited data :-)
[19:20] <rmcbride> yes, yess it is mhall119
[19:21] <Slizzurd`> DammitJim: Motorola backflip for now.
[19:21] <DammitJim> cool
[19:21] <DammitJim> can you check if you have wpa_supplicant.conf?
[19:21] <rmcbride> yea my iphone has the unlimited, not the captivate unfortunately
[19:21] <Slizzurd`> I do in /data/misc/wifi
[19:31] <DammitJim> interesting
[19:31] <DammitJim> what ROM are you running?
[19:55] <itnet7> zoopster: ping
[19:55] <zoopster> yes sir itnet7
[19:56] <itnet7> pm please?
[20:22] <DammitJim> do we have an rsa encryption/decryption expert in the house?
[20:28] <mhall119> crashsystems used to be our resident crypto-guru
[20:35] <ShawnR> so just a random question, if you have multiple boxes running as a server vs desktop, do you use the same login name for each, or do you have a different login name for each box?
[20:36] <mhall119> DammitJim: I might be able to answer your question
[20:36] <mhall119> ShawnR: depends on your setup
[20:37] <mhall119> you can either create separate user accounts on each box, or use something like LDAP to centralize them
[20:37] <mhall119> or NIS/YP
[20:38] <mhall119> or even Active Directory
[20:38] <ShawnR> mhall119: one box is my ubuntu server, right now it does everything, LAMP, music streaming, smb/nfs/ftp... i plan to split some of those up with a centos box (i'm trying to learn some CentOS in hopes i'll ever get a job as a sysadmin)
[20:38] <mhall119> you can have separate accounts with identical usernames though
[20:39] <ShawnR> i might mess with some ldap or AD stuffs, like i said, i wanna get some learning for an enterprise environment (without screwing with my wife's windows laptop)
[20:40] <ShawnR> i didn't see where the problem would be with two of the same user names, so long as hostnames are obv. different, but didn't know if it would conflict at any time (like setting system permissions and having the same username and diff passwords or something)
[20:47] <maxolasersquad> ShawnR: You are confused.  Screwing up your spouses stuff is part of the fun of doing IT stuff for the house.
[20:55] <mhall119> ShawnR: easiest setup for you would be to use the same username and enable public key authentication on ssh
[21:00] <DammitJim> mhall119, I'm trying to decrypt something in java that was encrypted in .NET
[21:00] <DammitJim> using RSA...
[21:01] <DammitJim> I got all this modulus, p, n, q, exponent, etc
[21:01] <DammitJim> it's a mess!
[21:01] <mhall119> :(
[21:01] <DammitJim> there is no straight forward documentation for java on the steps to follow for rsa
[21:01] <DammitJim> aes seems to be much simpler!
[21:04] <mhall119> yeah, sorry, I never did anything like that
[21:07] <maxolasersquad> Anyone else seen http://www.saveaswwf.com/en/
[21:07] <maxolasersquad> I call bs.  A file format that is not printable?
[21:17] <mhall119> maxolasersquad: it probably just uses some PDF setting that tells the client to disallow printing
[21:20] <mhall119> meaning the PDF viewer must voluntarily comply
[21:28] <maxolasersquad> mhall119: Yeah, an application-level enforcement is the only way.  The idea is stupid from the get-go anyhow.
[21:43] <DammitJim> mhall119, remind me about classes vs interfaces?
[21:43] <DammitJim> I can't instantiate an interface, but what can I do with it?
[21:44] <DammitJim> implement?extend?
[21:44] <mhall119> DammitJim: your classes implement an interface
[21:45] <mhall119> you can also define an interface that extends another interface
[21:45] <DammitJim> there is an RSAPrivateKeySpec class
[21:45] <DammitJim> and there is an RSAPrivateKey interface
[21:45] <DammitJim> I need to somehow use the interface for my cipher
[21:46] <mhall119> you'll need to create an instance of a class that implements that interface
[21:46] <DammitJim> and then instantiate it?
[21:46] <mhall119> yes
[21:57] <DammitJim> what about my class, though?
[22:15] <ShawnR> interesting
[22:15] <ShawnR> re: save to wwf
[23:23] <zoopster> ShawnR: what's so interesting about it?
[23:39] <ShawnR> zoopster: it is just an unprintable pdf
[23:40] <ShawnR> seems like a lot of effort just to make sure no one "wastes a tree"
[23:55] <zoopster> but it will print just fine
[23:56] <zoopster> it's just an encrypted pdf and as such any pdf viewer that does not speak the mac encryption will allow it to print just fine
[23:57] <zoopster> and its rather simple to convert back to a pdf apparently
[23:58] <zoopster> just use pdftops and then ps2pdf