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thafreakUnit193: is it a scsi disk? That's odd that it's not detecting the disk01:46
Unit193Normal 6G IDE (gray cable)01:47
Unit193I had Ubuntu installed on that HD (had issues)01:51
thafreakwell, scsi was also a gray cable :) it's just 50 pin instead of 40 pin01:51
thafreakyou have a blue and white g3 right? I have one in my basement too...been thinking about messing with it01:52
canthus13Woo. bob is alive!02:03
Unit193thafreak: If you figure anything out....02:08
canthus13why the f*ck does udev rename interfaces when you swap motherboards? It's stupid and breaks things.02:09
thafreakcanthus13: I know, it's worse with virtual machines when you clone one...02:10
thafreakyou know the magic file to edit to fix it?02:10
thafreakobviously if you know udev is doing it, you probably do :)02:10
thafreakdamn christmas ale is worth the wait02:10
canthus13thafreak: I edited /etc/interfaces.  It was the easiest route.02:13
canthus13...meaning the first thing that came to mind.02:14
* canthus13 knows there's a more correct way, but can't be bothered.02:14
dmcglonecanthus13: why did you have to edit it?02:15
canthus13dmcglone: I swapped motherboards and udev renamed eth0 to eth1.02:15
dmcgloneAh thats good to know for future reference :-)02:15
canthus13speaking of which, this seems to be a hella good motherboard for the money so far....  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=20050025632402:15
canthus13It boots crazy fast.  I had to reboot 3 times to get into BIOS.02:16
canthus13took 2-3 seconds to start booting GRUB.02:16
canthus13the screen wasn't even on all the way yet.02:16
dmcglone45 bucks? dang02:17
canthus13dmcglone: I ordered it sunday.  They shipped it last night ~8pm.  It got here today at 1:30.02:18
thafreakcanthus13: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules02:18
thafreakit ties a device name to a mac address02:19
canthus13thafreak: That's right.. Someone in #debian pointed that out to me.02:19
dmcgloneonly 2 DIMM slots though02:19
thafreakafter cloning vm's tons of times and having to figure that out on my own more than once, it's now burned into my brain02:19
canthus13dmcglone: Up to 8 gigs.02:19
dmcglonenot bad02:20
canthus13dmcglone: It's a great motherboard for a workstation or media server.02:20
canthus13Not so much for high-end gaming, though.02:20
dmcgloneVGA?02:21
canthus13yeah, but it's got an x16 slot.02:21
dmcglonedoes it have and for HDMI?02:22
dmcglonethe picture doesn't enlarge :-/02:22
canthus13No. no hdmi.02:22
dmcglone:-(02:23
canthus13http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=N68-S%20UCC&cat=Specifications02:24
dmcglonedarn good motherboard for the price02:26
thafreakI love asrock02:30
thafreakmy new fav mb brand...well asus is still my fav, but asrock is like asus's cheaper little cousin02:30
canthus13I've never seen a motherboard fire up a bootloader so fast before.02:32
dmcgloneanyone hear that Assange was found and arrested02:50
jacobdmcglone: yeah, it's aggravating to see the things governments pull02:51
dmcgloneyeah02:52
dmcglonethey said that he failed to use a condom.. lol02:52
jacobhah02:52
dmcgloneI wonder if all this was a publicity stunt02:53
jacobi'd be rather surprised if it was, it seems that many international governments want his head02:53
dmcglonetrue, but what can they do? what he does is perfectly legal02:55
jacobyeah02:55
canthus13Not in all countries.02:55
canthus13China could execute him under their laws, and many countries define what he's done as an act of espionage.02:56
dmcglonetrue canthus13 but he's only airing the U.S's dirty laundry02:56
canthus13dmcglone: No he's not. He's airing the dirty laundry of many different countries, including China, france, any anyone else who had private communications with our diplomats.02:56
dmcglonematter of fact, the documents he puts up is the same documents the government gives to journalists a couple weeks in advance to prepare their stories02:57
canthus13The cables he released may very will raise tensions in the middle east considerably.02:57
canthus13Several countries have urged the US to preemtively attack Iran.02:57
canthus13those cables were released.02:57
dmcgloneI see02:58
canthus13there have been others dealing with china and north korea that have the potential to send north korea over the edge.02:58
dmcglonebut I thought all this was public information?02:59
canthus13dmcglone: The bottom line is that there is the potential for a LOT of innocent people dying over this.02:59
dmcgloneI've not seen the wiki leaks site, don't have the inclination to, but like I said, I thought all these docs were public already03:00
canthus13dmcglone: No. These were diplomatic cables that he released.  The assumption is that these are private conversations between diplomatic officials.03:00
dmcglonehow did he get them in his hands then?03:01
canthus13a traitor.03:01
dmcglonehave they taken wikileaks down?03:02
dmcglonei'll check now03:02
canthus13They've been playing whack-a-mole with it.03:02
dmcgloneI see. it's not loading for me03:03
canthus13I think it's wikileaks.ch right now03:04
dmcgloneah it is03:05
dmcglonewonder what's gonna happen to him03:06
BiosElementAwesome...03:07
BiosElementWhile wikileaks is being banned from the US, the State Dept. announces World Press Freedom Day03:07
dmcglonesounds like a ruse03:08
BiosElementhttp://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm03:09
BiosElement" At the same time, we are concerned about the determination of some governments to censor and silence individuals, and to restrict the free flow of information."03:09
BiosElement^LOL03:09
dmcgloneif not a ruse, looks like Assange will walk.03:11
dmcglonelol03:11
BiosElementUNESCO is a joke anyway it seems03:12
dmcgloneI just checked to see if Assange was on the FBI's most wanted list. haha03:14
BiosElementHell with FBI, he's on interpol's most wanted.03:14
BiosElementAnd if some loud mouth congressmen have their way, he'll be labled a terrorist which means it's a federal offense to help him03:14
dmcglonein a way, if what he did wasn't public information, then that sounds like a terrorist :-/03:15
BiosElementFunny how 'due process' and 'rights' fly out the window when higher-ups get burned >.>03:16
dmcglonetrue03:17
dmcgloneI think what he leaked should be public information03:17
BiosElementNah, there's a legit reason for it being classified. but leaks of classified intel at times are good for keeping an eye on things.03:17
dmcgloneI think we have every right to know these things03:17
dmcglonethis country is supposed to be "for the people, by the people"03:18
canthus13This wasn't a leak. In my opinion, it was a deliberate attempt to cause chaos and possible wars.03:18
BiosElementMeh, If that's what they wanted, then if this is the best they've got, it's not gonna happen03:19
dmcglonemight as well get it over with, it's gonna happen sooner or later03:19
dmcglonelol03:19
canthus13BiosElement:  Dunno.  There was stuff about iran and north korea that could potentially cause one or both of those countries to do something stupid. North Korea in particular.03:19
dmcgloneI've had a hunch for a long time that we were gonna get Kim Jong soon!03:20
BiosElementcanthus13, Meh, nothing new with iran and nothing really new with korea. It's just milidly embaressing. I've yet to see much that actually suprises anyone03:20
canthus13North Korea tends to react very badly to embarrassment.03:20
dmcgloneI guarantee either after this war we'll be heading over to North Korea03:21
canthus13Most asian countries do.  And Iran may go after some of the countries that were urging attacks, or use the cables as an excuse for ramping up their nuclear program.03:21
BiosElementI don't really care, N.Korea doesn't need an excuse.03:21
BiosElementAnd if iran goes off they're toast. >.>03:21
BiosElementdmcglone, Leave NKorea to China. >.< They'll move before we have too.03:22
canthus13BiosElement: Not really. Iran's got the best missile capabilities in the world behind the US.03:22
canthus13No known nukes yet, but they've got the conventional arms and a growing sub fleet to wage a helluva war.03:22
dmcglonethey just may, but I just have a feeling the U.S is just laying low because we don't have the resources to fight 2 wars03:23
BiosElementMeh, but they don't have the peoples backing.03:23
canthus13dmcglone: We aren't going after north korea because it would completely destroy the entire peninsula no matter who won.03:23
BiosElementIf we leave NKorea alone lone enough, they'll fix themselves one way or another03:24
canthus13dmcglone: North Korea would do the same thing they did at the beginning of the Korean war, only there are a lot more people at risk this time.03:24
BiosElement*long03:24
dmcglonesince when do politicians care about that sort of stuff03:24
canthus13if you remember right, the north rolled right down to the southern tip of the peninsula very quickly, backing up all the opposing forces into Inchon (I think that's the city)03:24
canthus13the next couple of years turned the entire peninsula into a big crater.03:25
BiosElementYes, and then it went clear north canthus1303:25
BiosElementIt was a total mess03:25
BiosElementAnd that was mostly because Russia and China supplied arms to NKorea03:25
canthus13BiosElement: Yep.  Well, china supplied troops, too. But North Korea has more arms and standing troops than the south by almost double. and we only have a very very small presence there now.. ~25k troops.03:26
BiosElementOur troops are just a tripwire03:26
BiosElementWithout them we couldn't claim to be defending South Korea anyway. >.<03:27
canthus13Our troops are mostly in the south now. we've been pulling away form the DMZ for the most part, with the exception of the guys right there on the line.03:27
BiosElementAnd I didn't say I thought we should attack NKorea :P03:27
BiosElementBut china's getting fed up with NKorea03:27
canthus13South Korea has a military almost as big as ours.03:27
BiosElementWell looking at NKorea, I can't say I blame them03:28
dmcglonetrust is the issue with NK03:30
BiosElementNo one trusts NK, for good reason. >.<03:30
dmcgloneyup03:31
dmcglonematter of fact I don't trust any nation03:31
BiosElementProbably the most idiotic thing about wikileaks case though, is that regardless of how you feel about the leak, the gov. reaction is even worse03:31
dmcgloneprobably because of the unknown03:32
BiosElementEh, freaken senators are calling for Assage to be assassinated. >.>03:32
BiosElementI think that's a tad over the top03:32
dmcglonewhere did you find this?03:32
BiosElementAnd shows what they really think of defending freedom of speech and the right to a legal trial.03:33
BiosElementWhich?03:33
dmcglonethe info on the assassination03:33
BiosElementHang 103:33
BiosElementWell I can probably find quite a few03:34
BiosElementHangon...03:34
BiosElementWell here's a good one: http://xnepali.com/canadian-pm-advisor-wants-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-killed/03:34
BiosElement>.>03:34
BiosElementQuite a few senators said the same03:34
dmcglonegawd I can't stand Palin!03:36
dmcgloneshe's a freakin opportunist on someone else's hard work03:37
BiosElement>.< lets not get into a total rant but I'll agree with that heh03:37
dmcgloneno rant here. she just makes my skin crawl03:38
dmcgloneever since she ran for president, her name is everywhere now03:38
BiosElementOh yeah here we go03:39
BiosElement"So when U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman (Ind.-Conn.), chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, called Amazon officials this week to complain about the company's decision to host WikiLeaks on its cloud servers, Amazon quickly pulled the plug."03:39
dmcglonesad03:39
BiosElementFunny thing is with the iraqi war diaries he didn't vet or redact things and got yelled at a tad so he promised to go line-by-line through03:39
BiosElementHe does that and this time they're wanting to execute him >.>03:39
BiosElementhttp://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/12/07/joe-lieberman-calls-for-investigation-of-ny-times-over-wikileaks/03:40
BiosElementHe also wants to go after the NYTimes03:40
BiosElementHas he ever heard about the Pentagon Papers perhaps? Has Joe ever opened a history book? >.>03:41
dmcglonehaha03:41
dmcglonethis is good stuff03:42
dmcglone"a crime of bad citizenship"? who's he think he is?03:44
BiosElementI know. Even ignoring the content itself, it's funny how, without a single actual court looking at this, everyone seems to think they're a judge >.>03:44
dmcgloneoh yeah03:44
dmcglonewell wiki leaks may fail at bringing us the "hidden truth" so to speak, but it sure did bring out the true person in all the politicians03:46
BiosElementEh, I think the leaks themselves did some good too, but the reaction to the leaks is the real news in my books03:47
dmcglonethats what I'm saying03:47
BiosElementYeah I know heh03:48
canthus13dmcglone: Oh wow. On a completely unrelated note, that motherboard will support Phenom II X6.03:48
BiosElementAs of current, he is leading the poll for Time magazine's "Person of the Year, 2010".03:48
BiosElement>.>03:48
BiosElementOh I see...03:49
* canthus13 thinks moot deserved it more. :P03:49
dmcglonethats a good board canthus1303:49
BiosElementUS State Dept. doesn't consider wikileaks a news orgnization03:49
canthus13dmcglone: Yeah. I'm thinking about grabbing a couple more of them to keep on hand.03:49
BiosElementBut reporters without boarders, amnesty international and Centre of investigative journalism however say he is lol03:49
dmcglonesave some for Mr and Mrs Clause.. ;-)03:49
canthus13Heh.03:50
dmcglonebut he's receives the same documents as reporters do a couple weeks in advance from our Govt, so doesn't that make him a reporter03:51
BiosElementlol, well editors are considered 'reporters' too so he's a reporter :P03:51
canthus13No. If I receive medical equipment, does that make me a doctor?03:51
dmcgloneno canthus, it make you a quack03:52
dmcglonelol03:52
BiosElementNo, but legally editors are covered by reporter shield laws03:52
BiosElement>.>03:52
canthus13exactly.03:52
canthus13It's not a news site. it's a dumping ground for classified material that has gone way beyond a safe haven for whistleblowers.03:52
BiosElementcanthus13, Reaction is overblown even if it's too far.03:53
dmcglonebut canthus13 our government recognized him as a reporter "editor" or so so, because they sent him the docs along with other reporters03:53
* canthus13 had no problem when all they were doing was providing a means to get out information that NEEDS to get out. THe fact that saudi arabia was urging the US to attack iran didn't need to get out. it serves no useful purpose.03:53
BiosElementcanthus13, But that informationis no suprise03:54
BiosElementEveryone knew this03:54
BiosElementIt's irrelevent03:54
* canthus13 shrugs.03:54
BiosElementIt's like "Isreal wants to blow up Iran" Really...ya think? >.>03:54
dmcglonelol canthus1303:54
canthus13It doesn't matter. He stepped WAAAAY over the line with this.03:54
BiosElementHeh, if they push it too far the other 250-ish thousand unedited cables will be leaked too. The govs are all playing a risky game with that.03:55
canthus13The leaked gun cam video is one thing.. that stuff needed to be looked into. this, though... I agree that assassination is over the top, but low-level espionage charges are reasonable.03:55
dmcglonelets just cut his dick off. That should be punishment enough!!!03:56
BiosElementHe's not a us citizen, nor does he have anything in the US. It's a joke to try that. >.< But then if you classify him as a terrorist he can be shipped off to hole somewhere. >.>03:56
dmcgloneI'll go call Lorena Bobbitt03:56
canthus13BiosElement: Nah. Try him for espionage.  There aren't many countries left for him to hide in. He's pissed off a lot of folks.03:57
BiosElementNo way it'll stick, too much legal precedent. >.> Much easier for him to just vanish.03:57
dmcglonethe only folks he pissed off are the folks that don't want us to know the truth and just how dirty the governments can be03:58
BiosElement+1 dmcglone03:58
canthus13Eh? Legal precedent? Receiving classified material is espionage by most legal definitions.03:58
BiosElementNo it's not. Press is protected from that.03:58
canthus13He's not press.03:58
BiosElementSure he is03:59
BiosElement:P03:59
BiosElementSee the problem?03:59
canthus13BiosElement: If I stand on the street corner screaming out the neighbor's secrets, I'm not a reporter. I'm an asshole. same thing here.03:59
BiosElementIf organizations around the world recoginize wikleaks as a news org, it'll be damn hard to claim in court he's not and make it stick03:59
BiosElementcanthus13, Do you have awards from amnesty international? >.>03:59
canthus13BiosElement: Amnesty international is a jok.04:00
canthus13+e04:00
canthus13They're right behind the nobel peace prize.04:00
canthus13and the UN.04:00
dmcglonehere's what the problem is, he refuses to "cherry pick" the details that have icing on top and just throw it all out there instead, unlike the other people in the press04:00
BiosElementProblem is, it's a news org regardless of what spin anyone wants to give it. >.<04:00
BiosElementdmcglone, He did this time actually04:00
BiosElementdmcglone, They went through and censored out informants and such, as was requested by the white house04:01
dmcglonetrue, but think about this. If the04:03
dmcgloneif the Govt. wanted this stuff to be a secret why didn't the sensor it themselves before giving it to the press?04:03
BiosElementUm what?04:03
BiosElementThey actually said they would at one point04:04
BiosElementBut then ignored wikileaks >.>04:04
BiosElementWikileaks actually did try to work with the US gov to help them go through and censor the really risky bits04:04
dmcgloneI'm talking about the papers that are given to the press in advance04:04
BiosElementBut the same "We don't negotiate with terrorists" thing comes on.04:04
BiosElementThe papers were given to them by wikileaks, and the papers also helped wikileaks censor them04:05
dmcgloneAh I must've got that detail wrong, I thought it was the Govt that gave them to the press04:05
BiosElementNo, press had access before the public release04:06
BiosElementhttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/join-eff-in-standing-up-against-internet-censorship04:06
dmcgloneright and thats why I got the impression it was from the Govt04:06
BiosElementAhh04:07
canthus13bah. Can't read the CPU temp on this new motherboard. :(04:10
dmcglonecanthus13:  just lick your finger and touch it04:11
dmcgloneif you hear sizzling it's overheating04:11
dmcgloneLOL04:12
dmcglonewell it was a nice chat guys. I learned a great deal tonight. I think it's time for me to turn in04:13
canthus13Heh.04:13
BiosElementNight dmcglone heh04:13
jacobcanthus13: sure you didn't miss the sensor cable?04:13
jacobnight dmcglone04:13
canthus13jacob: Sensor cable?04:13
dmcgloneI'll catch you guys later04:13
dmcgloneg'night04:14
jacobcanthus13: wait... never mind04:14
jacobthat was to hook up to the fan for speed control (and fan sensors)04:14
canthus13heh. BIOS reads mobo and cpu temps fine... Debian doesn't show anything in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ though.04:15
canthus13it did show up on the last motherboard, though.04:15
jacobodd. maybe there's a kernel module that needs to be loaded?04:16
canthus13Same kernel. I swapped motherboards... that may have something to do with it.  I did have to track down the ethernet interface before I could get it online..04:16
canthus13I'm not too worried about temps, it's a file server for my home network... I'd just like to make sure I didn't screw up the proc installation.04:17
canthus13Cheri703: Herro.04:25
Cheri703holla04:25
Cheri703and yes, holla, not hola ;)04:25
BiosElementHey Cheri70304:25
BiosElementYou missed the political rants ;)04:25
Cheri703yo04:25
Unit193Be glad ;)04:25
Cheri703I was out and about04:25
BiosElementhaha nah, they were good rants04:26
Cheri703I had my columbus trip and then stopped at someone's house to set up a wireless router04:26
Cheri703anything of note?04:26
* canthus13 is still wary about that painless motherboard swap....04:26
Cheri703?04:27
canthus13Cheri703: My motherboard arrived amazingly fast. Shipped last night at 8pm. showed up at my door today at 1:30.  The swap worked perfectly, just had to point to the correct ethernet port in /etc/network/interfaces.04:27
* canthus13 is waiting for something to break now.04:27
Cheri703very nice04:27
Cheri703and yeah, I would be too04:27
Cheri703after all of the hassle with husband's computer04:27
Cheri703and that is one MAJOR reason I'm in love with ubuntu :)04:27
canthus13Cheri703: Heh. It's a really slick motherboard for the price, too.04:28
canthus13Cheri703: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=20050025632404:28
Cheri703looks nice04:29
canthus13Yup. Crazy fast boot too.  3-4 seconds from power on to GRUB.04:30
Cheri703very sweet04:31
Cheri703I'm looking forward to the time (at some point in the very distant future, like when we have flying cars) that I can upgrade/replace my desktop04:32
canthus13Cheri703: this was just a cheap emergency fix for my media server.04:32
Cheri703that works :)04:32
Cheri703I could do with some new parts :/04:32
Cheri703the fan is making a noise04:32
Cheri703going to blow it out soon04:33
canthus13My fans all make noise. that's how I know my servers are working.04:33
Cheri703well, this is a new noise04:33
canthus13My wife's video card periodically makes strange noises...04:33
Unit193PPCI have a fan sitting on top of my router...04:35
Cheri703yeah?04:39
Cheri703and does Unit193PPC mean you got that one computer working?04:39
Unit193PPCPPC = pocket pc and no:(04:40
Cheri703ah, ok04:40
Cheri703:(04:40
Unit193Can't detect my HD04:40
* canthus13 can't detect Unit193's HD either.04:43
canthus13Speaking of which.. My dad pulled a 500gb drive from his DVR... couldn't get windows to acknowledge it's presence.04:44
Unit193Maybe it can't find it because it's so small :)04:44
canthus13Turned out that There were 4 Linux raid partitions of varying sizes on the drive, plus 64mb of padding that cfdisk couldn't make anything of.  Weird.04:45
Unit193PPCUbuntu doesn't do well on old/slow h/w...04:48
canthus13Unit193PPC: try debian.04:48
canthus13Unit193PPC: ...or Knoppix.04:48
Unit193Knoppix on old h/w?04:48
* Unit193 is going to try Debian on the Mac04:49
canthus13Then again.. dunno if Knoppix works with PPC.04:49
* Unit193 has two old 500mhz comps one with 512ram other with 128ram04:49
canthus13the 512 should be fine with Lubuntu.04:50
Unit193Then a 350 mac to top it off///04:50
canthus13the 128 might be.04:50
Unit193512 does mostly ok.... as long as you don't open a web browser04:50
canthus13but debian in cli/framebuffer should work fine on the 128.04:50
* canthus13 ran his webserver on a 500mhz P3 with 128mb of ram for a while.04:51
Unit193canthus13: I'm looking for a GUI for all the comps04:53
canthus13Unit193: Try DSL or Tinycore on them.04:53
Unit193I'm sticking with Lubuntu on the one and going to try Puppy on the other04:54
Unit193Was thinking of trying fubuntu on one of them...05:02
canthus13Go for it. :)05:03
Unit193fluxbox is just a blackbox clone... so it looks like bblean (put that on a comp so I didn't have to reinstall)05:09
Unit193You just gotta love XP....</sarcasm> grrrrrrr06:14
thafreakMorning Ohio14:47
paultagmorning!16:02
canthus13blargh.17:31
BiosElementHmm, poor www.mastercard.com . It's a shame their site is crawling, I wonder why that might be. >.<19:39
canthus13Windows, maybe?19:45
canthus13Or DDOS?19:45
BiosElementOperation Payback is back in action specially in response to wikileaks19:47
BiosElementFunny thing is they're actually impacting MasterCard's ability to process transactions, even though MasterCard claims otherwise hheh19:47
BiosElementNot sure why they're madder at MasterCard though seeing as Visa is strongarming it's business partners not to help wikileaks either.19:48
canthus13Heh.19:50
BiosElementOh, and the Swiss .ch register said there was quote "No reason why we should do 'anything' in regards to the wikileaks domain and services."19:51
BiosElement>.>19:51
BiosElementOh yeah, and more info leaked out about the US's involvement in the Sweden Police's illegal raid of the Pirate Bay folks.19:51
canthus13Hmm.. that should help their appeals.. (Or have they run out yet?)19:52
BiosElementBasically, if Sweden didn't do something, they were going to be tossed on the trading blacklist and some crap >.<19:52
BiosElementNah, they haven't even gotten close to out yet, there's like 2 more phases19:52
BiosElementFunny thing is one of the leaked cables has the Minister of Justice basically saying she doesn't give a damn if her gov. is corrupt19:52
BiosElementNow I gotta get the council to print me off a "Ubuntu-Oh LoCo News Guru" badge >.>19:54
BiosElementOg I see why they hit mastercard20:07
BiosElementMastercard made the mistake of saying it was their decision alone to kill wikileaks donations >.<20:07
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BiosElementlol20:31
dmcgloneHi everyone23:15
dmcglonebrb23:21

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