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charlie-tcaochosi: too much gray text on gray backgrounds, it is blurring for me00:29
charlie-tcaum, broke natty now, bad. 03:03
charlie-tcamr_pouit: orage works great after a restart.03:03
charlie-tcamr_pouit: unfortunately, it restart without any panels, and no window title bars either. adding the panels puts them their, but nothing on the panels works.03:04
charlie-tcamr_pouit: the launchers are dead, the workspace switcher is dead, the quit button is dead03:05
charlie-tcathe windows don't respect the panels at all now. 03:05
charlie-tcaCan not change themes, since Settings Manager -> Window Manager is blank03:06
charlie-tcaI can use the single workspace that is active. I can only use whatever window starts on top. The rest can not be raised03:06
charlie-tcaBut, Thank you for orage.03:07
charlie-tcamicahg: why does firefox never came back with any tabs?03:08
micahgcharlie-tca: that would be a bug :)03:08
micahgsession restore should be working03:08
charlie-tcaIt restarts with a single blank tab now03:08
charlie-tcaI suppose you know it is going to be hard to report the bug for a bit. things are kind of jumbled up at the moment.03:09
charlie-tca:-)03:09
micahgcharlie-tca: maybe it's a xubuntu quirk, I think chrisccoulson is on natty already03:10
charlie-tcaI have to wonder if Ubuntu did not do something to us again. Since all the window title bars are gone03:10
micahgcompiz?03:11
charlie-tcaunity03:12
charlie-tcaI think takes the title bar away and puts the menu in the top panel, isn't it?03:12
charlie-tcaWe did not lose the window menus, but the windows start on top the panel in the top right corner now03:12
charlie-tcas/top right/top left03:13
micahgcharlie-tca: yeah, sounds like Ubuntu hijacked compiz for unity03:13
charlie-tcabut we don't use compiz03:14
micahgcharlie-tca: oh, right, xfwm?03:15
charlie-tcayup03:15
charlie-tcacompiz and unity are not installed03:15
micahgcharlie-tca: in that case I would think it's a bug in xfwm03:16
charlie-tcaWell, then. I just need to wait for everything to catch up, I guess. 03:17
charlie-tcaWell, I feel better now. Alpha is living up to what it should be... :-)03:25
charlie-tcafound the problem. Xfce4-session failed to start03:32
micahgah03:35
charlie-tcawell, that is part of it anyway. I will investigate more tomorrow, I guess. 03:36
charlie-tcastarting the session manager did give the window title bar and panels back, anyway03:36
ochosicharlie-tca: hm, could you please be a bit more specific? grey text where on what grey areas?12:44
charlie-tcaI can try to be. 13:15
charlie-tcaochosi: window title and menus13:16
charlie-tcafirefox, list of bookmarks13:16
charlie-tcaclaws-mail, all read mail is gray text13:16
charlie-tcathe main window to read my mail is gray text13:16
charlie-tcaliferea - all feeds are gray13:17
ochosiaha interesting13:17
charlie-tcaall text in the feeds are gray13:17
mr_pouitI guess some screenshots would be nice :p13:17
ochosiyep :)13:17
ochosii don't seem to have those issues with the theme in maverick13:17
charlie-tcaIt's almost all the text13:17
ochosimaybe something changed in natty13:17
charlie-tcaheh13:17
charlie-tcalike that is not possible :-)13:18
ochosithe window-title is understandable, but the current xfwm-theme is far from final13:18
ochosisure, anyways, a screenshot would be nice13:18
charlie-tcaalrighty, I will screenshot stuff in a bit13:18
ochosijust to be able to compare13:18
mr_pouit(and I rebuilt the current natty murrine engine to use it on debian unstable, and it works fine here, so probably not a natty-specific issue)13:19
ochosimmh13:19
charlie-tcaand, not yours at all, I can not change anything on the desktop yet. I lost the picture yesterday and it looks like brown only today13:19
charlie-tcamr_pouit: I know, I am patiently waiting on that one13:19
mr_pouitcharlie-tca: check that xfce4-settings-helper is running, and also xfdesktop13:20
mr_pouit(and xfwm4, etc.)13:21
mr_pouitfrom what you wrote earlier this morning, it seems like nothing is running (no session manager, no settings manager, no window manager, etc)13:21
charlie-tcaheh13:22
charlie-tcaneat, huh?13:22
charlie-tcadon't see no xfdesktop running13:25
charlie-tcaum, no such package, xfdesktop13:27
mr_pouittry with xfdesktop413:28
charlie-tcanot installed13:29
charlie-tcacandidate: 4.7.4-0ubuntu113:30
mr_pouityeah, it probably got removed when you installed the new panel13:30
charlie-tcaoops13:30
mr_pouitinstall it back then, and your desktop should be back13:30
charlie-tcarestarting13:31
charlie-tcamr_pouit: got it13:39
charlie-tcaThanks13:39
charlie-tcaThat is much better than the dark brown background13:39
charlie-tcagot icons and wallpaper now13:39
ochosicharlie-tca: did anything change with the theme now?13:48
charlie-tcanope13:49
charlie-tcawell, I mean yes, but it is things like different icons13:50
charlie-tcaSince I have your icons loaded too13:50
charlie-tcaOh, ochosi, I wanted you to look at a wiki page, if you have time13:50
ochosik, link?13:50
charlie-tcahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty13:51
charlie-tcaDo we want to move that stuff to the Artwork page itself?13:51
ochosiwith artwork-page you're referring to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork ?13:52
charlie-tcayup13:52
ochosiwell, in fact it would make sense to me that the artwork page is the same as the one for the current cycle13:52
charlie-tcaI am going to advertise the page, need to make sure it reads good13:52
ochosimeaning artwork = natty, but after natty Artwork/Natty is kept whilst Artwork then contains the stuff for 11.1013:53
ochosicurrently it's too hard for people to find the artwork for the current cycle13:53
charlie-tcaSo, move it to xubuntu/Artwork, at the end of the release cycle, archive it and start again?13:54
ochosiyeah, that was the idea13:54
charlie-tcaThat actually makes sense to me. I will do it this week13:54
ochosior even keep both the xb/Artwork page and xb/Artwork/natty in sync and just update xb/Artwork when the next cycle starts13:54
ochosicool13:55
charlie-tcaThanks13:55
ochosibtw, i'll talk to knome about greybird versioning, i mean we'll do releases that can be linked to from the wiki page13:55
ochosiso that people can download it directly from there13:55
charlie-tcaNeat!13:55
ochosibtw, if you don't mind i'd like to edit the installation instructions a bit13:56
charlie-tcaGo ahead. That's why I wanted you to check it out13:57
ochosicharlie-tca: k, updated it a bit here and there, i'll maybe rework it a bit as soon as i have more time14:02
charlie-tcaGreat! Thanks for helping14:03
* ochosi is wondering why all wallpaper submissions up to now are dark blue...14:03
charlie-tcaTrying to get away from it. Thorwil keeps trying to tell them we other other colors included, but...14:07
charlie-tcaWe do need to know if the window borders, title bar, background, and panels will be the colors I see now14:08
ochosiyeah, well i would say "we need to decide"14:09
ochosithe point is that the current colors are my proposal, i've been working with/on them for a month or so14:09
ochosiand i still like them, which should be a good sign14:09
charlie-tcaooops14:09
charlie-tcayes, that is a good sign14:09
charlie-tcaI will let him know, then14:10
ochosik14:13
ochosig2g now, bbl14:13
charlie-tcaokay14:13
robertfHello16:01
charlie-tcaHello, robertf 16:03
robertfi've a problem to try xubuntu 11.04. I downloaded the iso image. I can choose the language, the keyboard layout. After, there is a message "there was a problem reading data from cd-rom. Please make sure it is in the drive.16:03
robertfi use an usb stick16:03
charlie-tcaDid you burn to usb using usb-creator in 10.10?16:03
robertfcharlie-tca: no, i only copy these files initrd.gz, vmlinuz, from natty repository to usb drive and the natty-desktop-i386.iso16:05
charlie-tcaThen it won't work, as far as I know16:06
robertfi alsa created the syslinux.cfg and added default vmlinuz and append initrd=initrd.gz16:06
charlie-tca!burn16:06
ubottuCD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, brasero, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto16:06
charlie-tca!iso16:06
ubottuTo mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.16:06
charlie-tcawell16:06
robertfthe md5sum is correct16:07
charlie-tcayeah, those were wrong16:07
charlie-tcaMight ask in #xubuntu, which is the support channel. they might have a better idea.16:07
robertfcharlie-tca: thank you16:07
charlie-tcaYou are welcome16:07
charlie-tcaJust ask your question and someone will answer if they can16:08
charlie-tcaochosi: by the way, the icons in "notification area" seem to shrink and grow randomly. Sometimes they are as big as the other icons, other times they are about 8px X 8px, which is really hard to see on 40opx panels16:26
charlie-tcawell, 40px panels, even16:26
charlie-tcamr_pouit: by the way, I heard they are going to move apport to gtk3, too16:51
mr_pouityeah, they're going to move all utils to gtk316:53
charlie-tcaokay16:53
charlie-tcaochosi, mr_pouit : http://imagebin.org/126996  shows the gray text best. Also all dropdowns are gray on gray similar to the title bar21:44
charlie-tcahttp://imagebin.org/126992 for shrinking notification area icons21:45
* charlie-tca thinks they shrank completely now, they are gone21:45
charlie-tcaochosi: let me know it is my eyes, not the colors22:47
micahgcharlie-tca: mr_pouit: FYI, it looks like there won't be any major gtk3 porting happening in natty23:01
charlie-tcathank you, micahg 23:06

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