| charlie-tca | ochosi: too much gray text on gray backgrounds, it is blurring for me | 00:29 |
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| charlie-tca | um, broke natty now, bad. | 03:03 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: orage works great after a restart. | 03:03 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: unfortunately, it restart without any panels, and no window title bars either. adding the panels puts them their, but nothing on the panels works. | 03:04 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: the launchers are dead, the workspace switcher is dead, the quit button is dead | 03:05 |
| charlie-tca | the windows don't respect the panels at all now. | 03:05 |
| charlie-tca | Can not change themes, since Settings Manager -> Window Manager is blank | 03:06 |
| charlie-tca | I can use the single workspace that is active. I can only use whatever window starts on top. The rest can not be raised | 03:06 |
| charlie-tca | But, Thank you for orage. | 03:07 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: why does firefox never came back with any tabs? | 03:08 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: that would be a bug :) | 03:08 |
| micahg | session restore should be working | 03:08 |
| charlie-tca | It restarts with a single blank tab now | 03:08 |
| charlie-tca | I suppose you know it is going to be hard to report the bug for a bit. things are kind of jumbled up at the moment. | 03:09 |
| charlie-tca | :-) | 03:09 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: maybe it's a xubuntu quirk, I think chrisccoulson is on natty already | 03:10 |
| charlie-tca | I have to wonder if Ubuntu did not do something to us again. Since all the window title bars are gone | 03:10 |
| micahg | compiz? | 03:11 |
| charlie-tca | unity | 03:12 |
| charlie-tca | I think takes the title bar away and puts the menu in the top panel, isn't it? | 03:12 |
| charlie-tca | We did not lose the window menus, but the windows start on top the panel in the top right corner now | 03:12 |
| charlie-tca | s/top right/top left | 03:13 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: yeah, sounds like Ubuntu hijacked compiz for unity | 03:13 |
| charlie-tca | but we don't use compiz | 03:14 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: oh, right, xfwm? | 03:15 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 03:15 |
| charlie-tca | compiz and unity are not installed | 03:15 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: in that case I would think it's a bug in xfwm | 03:16 |
| charlie-tca | Well, then. I just need to wait for everything to catch up, I guess. | 03:17 |
| charlie-tca | Well, I feel better now. Alpha is living up to what it should be... :-) | 03:25 |
| charlie-tca | found the problem. Xfce4-session failed to start | 03:32 |
| micahg | ah | 03:35 |
| charlie-tca | well, that is part of it anyway. I will investigate more tomorrow, I guess. | 03:36 |
| charlie-tca | starting the session manager did give the window title bar and panels back, anyway | 03:36 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: hm, could you please be a bit more specific? grey text where on what grey areas? | 12:44 |
| charlie-tca | I can try to be. | 13:15 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: window title and menus | 13:16 |
| charlie-tca | firefox, list of bookmarks | 13:16 |
| charlie-tca | claws-mail, all read mail is gray text | 13:16 |
| charlie-tca | the main window to read my mail is gray text | 13:16 |
| charlie-tca | liferea - all feeds are gray | 13:17 |
| ochosi | aha interesting | 13:17 |
| charlie-tca | all text in the feeds are gray | 13:17 |
| mr_pouit | I guess some screenshots would be nice :p | 13:17 |
| ochosi | yep :) | 13:17 |
| ochosi | i don't seem to have those issues with the theme in maverick | 13:17 |
| charlie-tca | It's almost all the text | 13:17 |
| ochosi | maybe something changed in natty | 13:17 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 13:17 |
| charlie-tca | like that is not possible :-) | 13:18 |
| ochosi | the window-title is understandable, but the current xfwm-theme is far from final | 13:18 |
| ochosi | sure, anyways, a screenshot would be nice | 13:18 |
| charlie-tca | alrighty, I will screenshot stuff in a bit | 13:18 |
| ochosi | just to be able to compare | 13:18 |
| mr_pouit | (and I rebuilt the current natty murrine engine to use it on debian unstable, and it works fine here, so probably not a natty-specific issue) | 13:19 |
| ochosi | mmh | 13:19 |
| charlie-tca | and, not yours at all, I can not change anything on the desktop yet. I lost the picture yesterday and it looks like brown only today | 13:19 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: I know, I am patiently waiting on that one | 13:19 |
| mr_pouit | charlie-tca: check that xfce4-settings-helper is running, and also xfdesktop | 13:20 |
| mr_pouit | (and xfwm4, etc.) | 13:21 |
| mr_pouit | from what you wrote earlier this morning, it seems like nothing is running (no session manager, no settings manager, no window manager, etc) | 13:21 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 13:22 |
| charlie-tca | neat, huh? | 13:22 |
| charlie-tca | don't see no xfdesktop running | 13:25 |
| charlie-tca | um, no such package, xfdesktop | 13:27 |
| mr_pouit | try with xfdesktop4 | 13:28 |
| charlie-tca | not installed | 13:29 |
| charlie-tca | candidate: 4.7.4-0ubuntu1 | 13:30 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, it probably got removed when you installed the new panel | 13:30 |
| charlie-tca | oops | 13:30 |
| mr_pouit | install it back then, and your desktop should be back | 13:30 |
| charlie-tca | restarting | 13:31 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: got it | 13:39 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 13:39 |
| charlie-tca | That is much better than the dark brown background | 13:39 |
| charlie-tca | got icons and wallpaper now | 13:39 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: did anything change with the theme now? | 13:48 |
| charlie-tca | nope | 13:49 |
| charlie-tca | well, I mean yes, but it is things like different icons | 13:50 |
| charlie-tca | Since I have your icons loaded too | 13:50 |
| charlie-tca | Oh, ochosi, I wanted you to look at a wiki page, if you have time | 13:50 |
| ochosi | k, link? | 13:50 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty | 13:51 |
| charlie-tca | Do we want to move that stuff to the Artwork page itself? | 13:51 |
| ochosi | with artwork-page you're referring to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork ? | 13:52 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 13:52 |
| ochosi | well, in fact it would make sense to me that the artwork page is the same as the one for the current cycle | 13:52 |
| charlie-tca | I am going to advertise the page, need to make sure it reads good | 13:52 |
| ochosi | meaning artwork = natty, but after natty Artwork/Natty is kept whilst Artwork then contains the stuff for 11.10 | 13:53 |
| ochosi | currently it's too hard for people to find the artwork for the current cycle | 13:53 |
| charlie-tca | So, move it to xubuntu/Artwork, at the end of the release cycle, archive it and start again? | 13:54 |
| ochosi | yeah, that was the idea | 13:54 |
| charlie-tca | That actually makes sense to me. I will do it this week | 13:54 |
| ochosi | or even keep both the xb/Artwork page and xb/Artwork/natty in sync and just update xb/Artwork when the next cycle starts | 13:54 |
| ochosi | cool | 13:55 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks | 13:55 |
| ochosi | btw, i'll talk to knome about greybird versioning, i mean we'll do releases that can be linked to from the wiki page | 13:55 |
| ochosi | so that people can download it directly from there | 13:55 |
| charlie-tca | Neat! | 13:55 |
| ochosi | btw, if you don't mind i'd like to edit the installation instructions a bit | 13:56 |
| charlie-tca | Go ahead. That's why I wanted you to check it out | 13:57 |
| ochosi | charlie-tca: k, updated it a bit here and there, i'll maybe rework it a bit as soon as i have more time | 14:02 |
| charlie-tca | Great! Thanks for helping | 14:03 |
| * ochosi is wondering why all wallpaper submissions up to now are dark blue... | 14:03 | |
| charlie-tca | Trying to get away from it. Thorwil keeps trying to tell them we other other colors included, but... | 14:07 |
| charlie-tca | We do need to know if the window borders, title bar, background, and panels will be the colors I see now | 14:08 |
| ochosi | yeah, well i would say "we need to decide" | 14:09 |
| ochosi | the point is that the current colors are my proposal, i've been working with/on them for a month or so | 14:09 |
| ochosi | and i still like them, which should be a good sign | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | ooops | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | yes, that is a good sign | 14:09 |
| charlie-tca | I will let him know, then | 14:10 |
| ochosi | k | 14:13 |
| ochosi | g2g now, bbl | 14:13 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 14:13 |
| robertf | Hello | 16:01 |
| charlie-tca | Hello, robertf | 16:03 |
| robertf | i've a problem to try xubuntu 11.04. I downloaded the iso image. I can choose the language, the keyboard layout. After, there is a message "there was a problem reading data from cd-rom. Please make sure it is in the drive. | 16:03 |
| robertf | i use an usb stick | 16:03 |
| charlie-tca | Did you burn to usb using usb-creator in 10.10? | 16:03 |
| robertf | charlie-tca: no, i only copy these files initrd.gz, vmlinuz, from natty repository to usb drive and the natty-desktop-i386.iso | 16:05 |
| charlie-tca | Then it won't work, as far as I know | 16:06 |
| robertf | i alsa created the syslinux.cfg and added default vmlinuz and append initrd=initrd.gz | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | !burn | 16:06 |
| ubottu | CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, brasero, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | !iso | 16:06 |
| ubottu | To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | well | 16:06 |
| robertf | the md5sum is correct | 16:07 |
| charlie-tca | yeah, those were wrong | 16:07 |
| charlie-tca | Might ask in #xubuntu, which is the support channel. they might have a better idea. | 16:07 |
| robertf | charlie-tca: thank you | 16:07 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 16:07 |
| charlie-tca | Just ask your question and someone will answer if they can | 16:08 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: by the way, the icons in "notification area" seem to shrink and grow randomly. Sometimes they are as big as the other icons, other times they are about 8px X 8px, which is really hard to see on 40opx panels | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca | well, 40px panels, even | 16:26 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: by the way, I heard they are going to move apport to gtk3, too | 16:51 |
| mr_pouit | yeah, they're going to move all utils to gtk3 | 16:53 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 16:53 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi, mr_pouit : http://imagebin.org/126996 shows the gray text best. Also all dropdowns are gray on gray similar to the title bar | 21:44 |
| charlie-tca | http://imagebin.org/126992 for shrinking notification area icons | 21:45 |
| * charlie-tca thinks they shrank completely now, they are gone | 21:45 | |
| charlie-tca | ochosi: let me know it is my eyes, not the colors | 22:47 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: mr_pouit: FYI, it looks like there won't be any major gtk3 porting happening in natty | 23:01 |
| charlie-tca | thank you, micahg | 23:06 |
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