[00:29] ochosi: too much gray text on gray backgrounds, it is blurring for me [03:03] um, broke natty now, bad. [03:03] mr_pouit: orage works great after a restart. [03:04] mr_pouit: unfortunately, it restart without any panels, and no window title bars either. adding the panels puts them their, but nothing on the panels works. [03:05] mr_pouit: the launchers are dead, the workspace switcher is dead, the quit button is dead [03:05] the windows don't respect the panels at all now. [03:06] Can not change themes, since Settings Manager -> Window Manager is blank [03:06] I can use the single workspace that is active. I can only use whatever window starts on top. The rest can not be raised [03:07] But, Thank you for orage. [03:08] micahg: why does firefox never came back with any tabs? [03:08] charlie-tca: that would be a bug :) [03:08] session restore should be working [03:08] It restarts with a single blank tab now [03:09] I suppose you know it is going to be hard to report the bug for a bit. things are kind of jumbled up at the moment. [03:09] :-) [03:10] charlie-tca: maybe it's a xubuntu quirk, I think chrisccoulson is on natty already [03:10] I have to wonder if Ubuntu did not do something to us again. Since all the window title bars are gone [03:11] compiz? [03:12] unity [03:12] I think takes the title bar away and puts the menu in the top panel, isn't it? [03:12] We did not lose the window menus, but the windows start on top the panel in the top right corner now [03:13] s/top right/top left [03:13] charlie-tca: yeah, sounds like Ubuntu hijacked compiz for unity [03:14] but we don't use compiz [03:15] charlie-tca: oh, right, xfwm? [03:15] yup [03:15] compiz and unity are not installed [03:16] charlie-tca: in that case I would think it's a bug in xfwm [03:17] Well, then. I just need to wait for everything to catch up, I guess. [03:25] Well, I feel better now. Alpha is living up to what it should be... :-) [03:32] found the problem. Xfce4-session failed to start [03:35] ah [03:36] well, that is part of it anyway. I will investigate more tomorrow, I guess. [03:36] starting the session manager did give the window title bar and panels back, anyway [12:44] charlie-tca: hm, could you please be a bit more specific? grey text where on what grey areas? [13:15] I can try to be. [13:16] ochosi: window title and menus [13:16] firefox, list of bookmarks [13:16] claws-mail, all read mail is gray text [13:16] the main window to read my mail is gray text [13:17] liferea - all feeds are gray [13:17] aha interesting [13:17] all text in the feeds are gray [13:17] I guess some screenshots would be nice :p [13:17] yep :) [13:17] i don't seem to have those issues with the theme in maverick [13:17] It's almost all the text [13:17] maybe something changed in natty [13:17] heh [13:18] like that is not possible :-) [13:18] the window-title is understandable, but the current xfwm-theme is far from final [13:18] sure, anyways, a screenshot would be nice [13:18] alrighty, I will screenshot stuff in a bit [13:18] just to be able to compare [13:19] (and I rebuilt the current natty murrine engine to use it on debian unstable, and it works fine here, so probably not a natty-specific issue) [13:19] mmh [13:19] and, not yours at all, I can not change anything on the desktop yet. I lost the picture yesterday and it looks like brown only today [13:19] mr_pouit: I know, I am patiently waiting on that one [13:20] charlie-tca: check that xfce4-settings-helper is running, and also xfdesktop [13:21] (and xfwm4, etc.) [13:21] from what you wrote earlier this morning, it seems like nothing is running (no session manager, no settings manager, no window manager, etc) [13:22] heh [13:22] neat, huh? [13:25] don't see no xfdesktop running [13:27] um, no such package, xfdesktop [13:28] try with xfdesktop4 [13:29] not installed [13:30] candidate: 4.7.4-0ubuntu1 [13:30] yeah, it probably got removed when you installed the new panel [13:30] oops [13:30] install it back then, and your desktop should be back [13:31] restarting [13:39] mr_pouit: got it [13:39] Thanks [13:39] That is much better than the dark brown background [13:39] got icons and wallpaper now [13:48] charlie-tca: did anything change with the theme now? [13:49] nope [13:50] well, I mean yes, but it is things like different icons [13:50] Since I have your icons loaded too [13:50] Oh, ochosi, I wanted you to look at a wiki page, if you have time [13:50] k, link? [13:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty [13:51] Do we want to move that stuff to the Artwork page itself? [13:52] with artwork-page you're referring to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork ? [13:52] yup [13:52] well, in fact it would make sense to me that the artwork page is the same as the one for the current cycle [13:52] I am going to advertise the page, need to make sure it reads good [13:53] meaning artwork = natty, but after natty Artwork/Natty is kept whilst Artwork then contains the stuff for 11.10 [13:53] currently it's too hard for people to find the artwork for the current cycle [13:54] So, move it to xubuntu/Artwork, at the end of the release cycle, archive it and start again? [13:54] yeah, that was the idea [13:54] That actually makes sense to me. I will do it this week [13:54] or even keep both the xb/Artwork page and xb/Artwork/natty in sync and just update xb/Artwork when the next cycle starts [13:55] cool [13:55] Thanks [13:55] btw, i'll talk to knome about greybird versioning, i mean we'll do releases that can be linked to from the wiki page [13:55] so that people can download it directly from there [13:55] Neat! [13:56] btw, if you don't mind i'd like to edit the installation instructions a bit [13:57] Go ahead. That's why I wanted you to check it out [14:02] charlie-tca: k, updated it a bit here and there, i'll maybe rework it a bit as soon as i have more time [14:03] Great! Thanks for helping [14:03] * ochosi is wondering why all wallpaper submissions up to now are dark blue... [14:07] Trying to get away from it. Thorwil keeps trying to tell them we other other colors included, but... [14:08] We do need to know if the window borders, title bar, background, and panels will be the colors I see now [14:09] yeah, well i would say "we need to decide" [14:09] the point is that the current colors are my proposal, i've been working with/on them for a month or so [14:09] and i still like them, which should be a good sign [14:09] ooops [14:09] yes, that is a good sign [14:10] I will let him know, then [14:13] k [14:13] g2g now, bbl [14:13] okay [16:01] Hello [16:03] Hello, robertf [16:03] i've a problem to try xubuntu 11.04. I downloaded the iso image. I can choose the language, the keyboard layout. After, there is a message "there was a problem reading data from cd-rom. Please make sure it is in the drive. [16:03] i use an usb stick [16:03] Did you burn to usb using usb-creator in 10.10? [16:05] charlie-tca: no, i only copy these files initrd.gz, vmlinuz, from natty repository to usb drive and the natty-desktop-i386.iso [16:06] Then it won't work, as far as I know [16:06] i alsa created the syslinux.cfg and added default vmlinuz and append initrd=initrd.gz [16:06] !burn [16:06] CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, brasero, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus-CD-Burner, GToaster, xcdroast (GNOME), wodim (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto [16:06] !iso [16:06] To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning. [16:06] well [16:07] the md5sum is correct [16:07] yeah, those were wrong [16:07] Might ask in #xubuntu, which is the support channel. they might have a better idea. [16:07] charlie-tca: thank you [16:07] You are welcome [16:08] Just ask your question and someone will answer if they can [16:26] ochosi: by the way, the icons in "notification area" seem to shrink and grow randomly. Sometimes they are as big as the other icons, other times they are about 8px X 8px, which is really hard to see on 40opx panels [16:26] well, 40px panels, even [16:51] mr_pouit: by the way, I heard they are going to move apport to gtk3, too [16:53] yeah, they're going to move all utils to gtk3 [16:53] okay [21:44] ochosi, mr_pouit : http://imagebin.org/126996 shows the gray text best. Also all dropdowns are gray on gray similar to the title bar [21:45] http://imagebin.org/126992 for shrinking notification area icons [21:45] * charlie-tca thinks they shrank completely now, they are gone [22:47] ochosi: let me know it is my eyes, not the colors [23:01] charlie-tca: mr_pouit: FYI, it looks like there won't be any major gtk3 porting happening in natty [23:06] thank you, micahg