[15:32] <danae> hey
[15:32] <danae> is pidgin or empathy better for video/audio on the googletalk protocol?
[15:33] <TheSheep> I think they both use libpurple under the hood
[16:07] <robertf> Hello
[16:08] <robertf> i've a problem to try xubuntu 11.04 (desktop). I downloaded the iso image. I can choose the language, the keyboard layout. After, there is a message "there was a problem reading data from cd-rom. Please make sure it is in the drive.
[16:08] <robertf> charlie-tca: no, i only copy these files initrd.gz, vmlinuz, from natty repository to usb drive and the natty-desktop-i386.iso
[16:08] <robertf>  i only copy these files initrd.gz, vmlinuz, from natty repository to usb drive and the natty-desktop-i386.iso
[16:08] <robertf> i also created the syslinux.cfg and added default vmlinuz and append initrd=initrd.gz
[16:09] <Sysi> this is support channel for stable versions
[16:09] <Sysi> "alpha is not made to work"
[16:09] <charlie-tca> Wait...
[16:09] <robertf> Sysi: Where to ask the question? i asked to #xubuntu-devel
[16:09] <charlie-tca> robertf: is that today's image?
[16:09] <robertf> charlie-tca: yes it is
[16:10] <charlie-tca> Python 2.7 is being uploaded, and so is xfce4.7 with a lot of changes. They broke the images today
[16:10] <charlie-tca> It won't work for a few days
[16:10] <robertf> charlie daily-live (20101206
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Sorry, Sysi. I sent robertf to the wrong place
[16:11] <Sysi> not problem for me actually
[16:11] <charlie-tca> Pretty sure we broke that one too
[16:11] <charlie-tca> robertf: can you try again when we get a good image back?
[16:11] <Sysi> so i'm not gonna install natty yet :P
[16:12] <robertf> is the method used good?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> I should tell you, Natty support is in #ubuntu+1, too
[16:12] <charlie-tca> I think so
[16:12] <robertf> the md5sum is correct
[16:12] <robertf> i checked it
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Sysi: I knew that, but I hate shuffling the people when I screw up
[16:12] <charlie-tca> robertf: that doesn't mean it will work yet
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Just that all the files it thinks it needs are there
[16:14] <robertf> charlie-tca: md5sum from natty-desktop-i386.iso from usb drive
[16:14] <robertf> 28f0ae55e78250fd526522aacce5b33c  natty-desktop-i386.iso
[16:15] <robertf> it's the same as the MD5sum
[16:15] <charlie-tca> That means your download and the server file match, but that doesn't mean it can't be broken because the right files aren't there.
[16:15] <robertf> ok
[16:15] <charlie-tca> The installation won't boot if you get it to install, because it is broken
[16:16] <robertf> charlie-tca: ok
[16:16] <charlie-tca> sorry
[16:16] <robertf> i will try without install
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Okay
[16:17] <robertf> when i boot, i can't choose to try without install
[16:17] <robertf> directly, it's the install menu to choose the language
[16:17] <robertf> is it better to try it later when the beta1 will be available?
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Yes, It would be better to wait at least until the daily image is updated to the current date.
[16:19] <charlie-tca> with all the changes happening right now, it is broken.
[16:20] <robertf> ok, thank for you help
[16:21] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:31] <balsaq> good morning
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[16:37] <agentgasmask> Hi guys. I have a server that is at 8.04. How can I upgrade this?
[16:38] <Sysi> sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:38] <Sysi> make up-to-date backups
[16:39] <charlie-tca> You can upgrade 8.04 directly to 10.04
[16:39] <agentgasmask> Yeah, can you?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/upgrade
[16:41] <agentgasmask> that works for xubuntu too?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> yes. this might be better - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades
[16:42] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu uses the same upgrade procedures as Ubuntu
[16:42] <agentgasmask> ok, cool
[16:43] <agentgasmask> I have a mdadm raid 5 array, are there any percautions I should take?
[16:43] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:43] <charlie-tca> backup
[16:44] <charlie-tca> read all the release notes, read all the stuff about upgrading safely
[16:44] <agentgasmask> from the link you gave me?
[16:45] <charlie-tca> both of those links and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes
[16:45] <agentgasmask> ok, thanks
[16:46] <agentgasmask> when you say backup, is it more important to backup the system settings or the actual data on the array?
[16:46] <Sysi> what do you want to save
[16:47] <agentgasmask> Well, I mean, what is at risk of being corupted?
[16:48] <agentgasmask> or rather, can the array be mounted on a fresh install if the system goes down?
[16:49] <charlie-tca> If the upgrade destroys the array, what do you need to make sure got saved?
[16:49] <agentgasmask> Ah, I see... So backup it all. :) I guess that is always the answer.
[18:53] <pteague_work> is there a way to get specific windows to load in a certain position every time? i.e. i like having kdesvn in the upper right corner
[18:56] <TheSheep> pteague_work: check out the devilspie
[18:56] <charlie-tca> pteague_work: yes, using devilspie, it can be done
[18:56]  * charlie-tca too slow
[18:57] <TheSheep> I never know if it's devil's pie or devil spie
[18:57] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[18:57] <TheSheep> I suppose there is no such word as spie
[18:57] <charlie-tca> but it works!
[19:18] <pteague_work> TheSheep & charlie-tca, awesome, thank you... now to configure stuff :)
[19:25] <pteague_work> hmm... i'm not overly familiar with s-expressions... how do you create comments?
[19:27] <charlie-tca> semi-colon ; in front of the statement makes it a comment
[19:31] <alex88> hi guys.. what are the min specs for xubuntu?
[19:31] <alex88> i'm used with ubuntu but my father has a old athlon 1800 laptop
[19:32] <alex88> oh found them :)
[20:20] <pteague_work> i think the worst box i've run xfce on is a 100mhz or 133mhz with 256mb of ram, but that was a while ago
[20:24] <charlie-tca> I could see that as s-l-o-w
[20:24] <charlie-tca> My 400MHz PII with 128MB ram is a bit rough, too
[20:26] <Sysi> 900MHz 512MB netbook runs like a charm
[20:27] <charlie-tca> I would think so. Even the 400MHz with 512 works nicely
[20:45] <pteague_work> yeah, well it was the '90s & my previous desktop at the time...
[20:47] <pteague_work> hmm... i'm getting the error message "contains expects two string arguments" from http://pastebin.com/sqgCGaiD & not sure what the issue is... i used gdevilspie to initially generate the 'contains' & then modified it based on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie to do the 2nd part
[20:50] <charlie-tca> why is line 6 not the same as 12?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Or perhaps, I should say, I think you have to have two separate files for this
[20:58] <charlie-tca> otherwise, you need the (if    (and    or   (if    (or    on two lines for it to use both statements
[20:59] <charlie-tca> devilspie is kind of a mean thing to learn syntax for
[21:36] <pteague_work> charlie-tca, hmm... ok, was kind of basing it off of the pidgin.ds example on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie
[21:37] <charlie-tca> heh, the fun of it all :-)
[21:37] <charlie-tca> Took me about 3 months to learn what did work
[21:39] <pteague_work> & 6 & 12 are different so i know which 1 it actually matched... the ' - kdesvn' is if it already has a svn path opened it will have something like 'file:///home/.../trunk - kdesvn' ... as opposed to just 'kdesvn' if it's opened without a path/bookmark
[21:41] <AlphaOne> hello
[21:42] <AlphaOne> I'm trying to install the "Broadcom B43Legacy wireless driver" on my new install of Xubuntu and its saying "Sorry, installation of this driver failed.  Please have a look at the log file for details:  /var/log/jockey.log"
[21:43] <charlie-tca> And did you look in /var/log/jockey.log ?
[21:44] <pteague_work> charlie-tca, well dang... i completely commented out the 2nd if & it's still giving me the "contains expects two string arguments" error :(
[21:46] <charlie-tca> wierd
[21:47] <pteague_work> hmm...  man page shows "(contains haystack needle)"... & considering i know i have the 1 string quoted so that's existing... would that mean that "( window_xid )" is not a valid variable?
[21:53] <charlie-tca> possible
[21:53] <charlie-tca> I can't find it either
[22:14] <pteague_work> i ended up just using gdevilspie to generate the file & gave up on having 2 of them in the same file... ended up with http://pastebin.com/abRkvZyx
[22:14] <apostrophe> Hello. I just installed Xubuntu and it can't seem to find my wireless network? But it does find other networks.
[22:15] <pteague_work> other wireless networks?
[22:15] <Guest83523> other wireless networks, yes
[22:15] <charlie-tca> pteague: and it works?
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Can't you have two rules in two files?
[22:15] <pteague_work> try the "connect to hidden wireless" option
[22:16] <pteague_work> charlie-tca, yeah, i have 2 different files... the other just checks for "kdesvn" & doesn't bother with the not matches part
[22:16] <Guest83523> ptleague: I did, but then I don't know what kind of 'passkey' to use? I know that I use WEP, and I tried both WEP options (128-bit passphrase +128-bit key) and it doesn't connect.
[22:18] <Guest83523> any other suggestions
[22:21] <pteague_work> not sure, i've not had that issue before
[22:22] <Guest83523> aw man
[22:22] <Guest83523> sucks
[22:24] <Guest83523> any way to change the title bar color? it's using the standard light blue right now.
[22:25] <knome> Guest83523, change the xfwm theme
[22:29] <Guest83523> found it and thank you.
[22:33] <Guest83523> oh man, i really don't know what to do
[22:33] <Guest83523> i'm trying to google for answers with  no resolution so far
[22:34] <Thermi> gn8
[22:42] <Guest83523> It says a connection is established with my wireless network, but I can't browse the internet.
[22:43] <Guest83523> Ah, it's frustrating. I'm disappointed cause it looks like I'll have to jump back on windows
[22:44] <knome> Guest83523, do you have a router - could you check if your connection shows up there?
[23:18] <AlphaOne> how do I get my wireless card working in Xubuntu 10.10
[23:18] <AlphaOne> I think its a Broadcom B43
[23:20] <charlie-tca> !wireless
[23:23] <AlphaOne> how do I tell what card I have?
[23:23] <charlie-tca> lspci
[23:24] <AlphaOne> it says I have Broadcom BCM4306
[23:27] <charlie-tca> AlphaOne: now you know for sure. Have you read the release notes to see if the broadcom is mentioned?
[23:27] <AlphaOne> what do you mean?
[23:27] <AlphaOne> I'm REALLY new to this
[23:28] <charlie-tca> Okay. Read this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/ReleaseNotes#Networking%20&%20WiFi
[23:29] <AlphaOne> I dont see anything in there about mine
[23:31] <AlphaOne> what should i do?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> I guess read and do what this says - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs