[18:38] <coz_> howdy doody
[20:08] <doctormo> thorwil: Hey, can I ask a favour? I would like a poster reviewed critically. I'm so far not happy with it but I think you might be able to offer some good advice.
[20:09] <thorwil> doctormo: sure
[20:09] <doctormo> http://imagebin.ca/view/JpEU0f9C.html
[20:10] <thorwil> doctormo: what's the target medium and size?
[20:10] <doctormo> Medium: paper, wall hanging, size US double letter, aka silly size ;-)
[20:11] <doctormo> It's actually called Ledger/Tabloid sized.
[20:11] <doctormo> But I assume it could be reformed into A3 for other markets.
[20:12] <thorwil> it just looks like it would have to be fairly large to be readable
[20:12] <thorwil> it's too dense, crowded
[20:13] <thorwil> the type dances way too much, especially as it looks like 3 distinct funky fonts are used?
[20:14] <doctormo> thoughts on how to fix some of the issues? the main font is 18pt Ubuntu, the rest are funky I agree.
[20:14] <thorwil> never use justified without hyphenation (you might get away with it on the web, but not in print)
[20:14] <doctormo> I think I've been critizied more in the past for my font selection than anything else, so I defer immediatly on the issue now.
[20:14] <thorwil> try to use 2 fonts only
[20:15] <thorwil> shorten the text wherever you can
[20:16] <thorwil> e.g., don't mention an example in text, if you have a list right next to it
[20:17] <thorwil> brightness contrast between body text and background is a bit on the low side
[20:18] <thorwil> try to establish sections with spacing alone (no bars for the titles)
[20:18] <doctormo> I'm thinking of posting the svg http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/foss+creative-commons.svg to the mailing list while I recharge my artfulness. Do you think anyone there would be any good at nudging it in the right direction?\
[20:20] <thorwil> doctormo: except for rob oakes i'm not aware of anyone still on the list where i saw indication of layout skills
[20:21] <thorwil> usually also no indication of a lack thereof. simply not layout work :)
[20:22] <doctormo> I guess I'll have to come back to it myself, not all my layout work is this bad, I think I've just gotten a little tired of this one.
[20:59] <doctormo> thorwil: I decided to be persistent, can you check i've incorporated all your good suggestions? http://imagebin.ca/view/EFZMHu.html
[21:00] <thorwil> doctormo: better, at now it can breathe. you really should look into the use of grids in layout
[21:04] <thorwil> doctormo: the result of half an hour (and i could invest several times that to get it really right): http://www.foopics.com/showfull/8dd687f66275d6fd8bb2e0cc565c2080
[21:05] <thorwil> you have to imagine text flowing around the bottom left image ;)
[21:05] <doctormo> nice
[21:06] <thorwil> didn't care about the fonts, just cared about introducing a grid
[21:07] <thorwil> i would consider to go with a single image. with this layout, in the top right
[21:08] <thorwil> doctormo: i noticed you didn't use flowed text. well, you should
[21:08] <doctormo> I thought I did
[21:09] <thorwil> doctormo: want the file, before i go and shut off the mind-eater?
[21:09] <doctormo> Email it to me so I can see your grids, I think it will give me an idea of how you do things.
[21:10] <thorwil> done
[21:10] <thorwil> good night! :)