[00:02]  * yofel has an akonadi_imap_resource_4 process that uses 120M or real memory without doing anything
[05:45] <c2tarun> I was setting up a virtual box env of natty to reproduce some bugs. i got an error, can anyone help me with setting up the environment please.
[05:46] <micahg> c2tarun: maybe try in #ubuntu+1?
[05:46] <c2tarun> micahg: u mean #ubuntu
[05:47] <micahg> c2tarun: no, #ubuntu+1 for natty support
[05:47] <c2tarun> thanks :)
[07:00] <c2tarun> where can i find confirmed but unassigned bugs??
[07:02] <micahg> c2tarun: have you tried the advanced search in LP?
[07:02] <c2tarun> thanks :)
[08:56] <htorque> hello everyone, isn't it possible anymore to set my own bug report to "wishlist"?
[10:00] <nisshh> hggdh, vish, bdmurray, ping
[10:03] <nisshh> anyway, when you see this, c2tarun just wants to say hi, he is a bit shy about meeting his mentors on irc :)
[10:03] <c2tarun> hi :)
[11:07] <c2tarun> vish ping
[11:08] <nisshh> c2tarun, i pinged them earlier, just wait, they will reply soon :)
[11:09] <c2tarun> ok :) actually i received mail that papercut-ninjas group is assigned a bug on empathy. I wasn't facing this bug, i just wanted to ask him :)
[11:10] <nisshh> c2tarun, thats bug mail, it doesnt mean that you are affected by that particular bug, you are just subscribed to receive it because of a certain team you are in, etc
[11:11] <c2tarun> ok... :) thanks
[11:11] <nisshh> :)
[11:30] <vish> c2tarun: reduce the font size and then try to resize the window you will notice the combobox vanishes..
[11:31] <vish> c2tarun: also, no one in the channel bites.. ;) so, no need to be scared/shy.. :)
[11:45] <c2tarun> vish: how to reduce the font size of empathy?
[11:58] <vish> c2tarun: not empathy's, system font size
[12:00] <c2tarun> vish: got it
[14:40] <charlie-tca> this place is really quiet for a Bug Day today - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20101209
[15:32] <c2tarun> bug 688094
[15:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688094 in user-setup (Ubuntu) "package user-setup 1.28ubuntu10 failed to install/upgrade: failed to sync updated files list file for package user-setup: Input/output error (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688094
[15:33] <c2tarun> what is this bug exactly saying? is it just package not getting installed or some other problem??
[15:43] <c2tarun> if a bug is reported for any previous version, say karmic and that bug cannot be reproduced in newer versions like maverick. what should we do??
[15:47] <charlie-tca> I comment that I could not reproduce the issue in the latest release, and am closing the bug as invalid for that reason. Add that if they can
[15:47] <charlie-tca> reproduce the issue in the latest stable release or development release, they can repopen it as new and need to supply the logs
[15:48] <c2tarun> charlie-tca: thanks :)
[15:48] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:52] <ScottK> charlie-tca: How does that make the bug invalid?
[15:53] <charlie-tca> It makes it fixed-released, but without a reference for what fixed it, we mark it invalid
[15:54] <charlie-tca> or am I loose in the head again?
[16:06] <ScottK> It seems to me that it would be confusing for people to be told their bug is invalid because it's already fixed.
[16:10] <charlie-tca> It leads much less confusion that having it marked fixed, and then they want to references for the fix
[16:11] <charlie-tca> hm, my keyboard is not typing right again
[16:19] <bcurtiswx> vish, you work with firefox4? or was that micahg ?
[16:20] <vish> bcurtiswx: yup, its micahg
[16:20] <bcurtiswx> vish, k thx
[16:23] <bdmurray> mvo: could you look at bug 571392?
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 571392 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "package bcmwl-kernel-source 5.60.48.36 bdcom-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 197) (dups: 127) (heat: 1242)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571392
[16:23] <bdmurray> mvo: seems to happen on Live CDs / usb sticks afaict
[16:35] <charlie-tca> pedro_: kind of difficult to do these compiz bugs in Natty until I can actually log in
[16:37] <mvo> bdmurray: hrm, is there a log in one of the reports that actually contains anything :/ ?
[16:39] <bdmurray> mvo: I can write something to check...
[16:41] <mvo> thanks, that would be cool
[16:41] <mvo> the ones I looked at where empty
[16:41] <mvo> :/
[16:46] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 579643 has something
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 579643 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "package bcmwl-kernel-source 5.60.48.36 bdcom-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (dup-of: 571392)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/579643
[16:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 571392 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "package bcmwl-kernel-source 5.60.48.36 bdcom-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 197) (dups: 127) (heat: 1242)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571392
[16:48] <mvo> thanks
[16:50] <mvo> bdmurray: it looks like the actual bug is pretty simple to fix, this only affects 10.04?
[16:51] <bdmurray> mvo: bug 685675 is natty too.  What is the bug?
[16:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 685675 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "package bcmwl-kernel-source 5.60.246.2+bdcom-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685675
[17:00] <nemo> hey guys.  I filed a bug just minutes ago and I wasn't sure what area to put it in
[17:00] <nemo> someone mind moving it for me?
[17:01] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/688145
[17:01] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688145 in ubuntu "Suspend fails on closing laptop lid, hangs hard on reopen with high heat and fan usage. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[17:05] <yofel> nemo: I would say kernel, since pm shows it tries to suspend and it fails after that, please set the package to linux and run apport-collect on the affected system
[17:05] <nemo> hm.
[17:05] <nemo> think I've done apport-collect on this system before, but sure :)
[17:06] <nemo> done
[17:06] <nemo> yofel: said "no additional information collected"
[17:07] <yofel> nemo: yes, you didn't change the package first
[17:07] <nemo> oh
[17:07] <nemo> oops. didn't realise that was "in order of operation" :)
[17:07] <nemo> hm. how do I do that?
[17:07] <yofel> since you didn't apport didn't know *what* to collect information about
[17:08] <yofel> nemo: click on the arrow left or 'Ubuntu' in the status line
[17:08] <nemo> ah. found it
[17:08] <nemo> yep
[17:08] <nemo> I thought it had sent me to a bug list when I clicked on Ubuntu, but the arrow worked
[17:09] <yofel> right, clicking on Ubuntu will send you to the list of bugs filed in ubuntu.
[17:09] <nemo> yay. appport still uses gksudo.
[17:10] <nemo> so sick of stuff using that irritating polkit thingy. I even wrap update-manager in the menu with gksudo :)
[17:10] <nemo> and close and restart it whenever it pops up on its own
[17:10] <yofel> hehe
[17:11] <nemo> if polkit integrated w/ ssh/nomachine/fingerprint gui, I'd not hate it so much :)
[17:19] <mvo> bdmurray: hm, hm, I spoke too quickly, I thought it was easy, but it looks like I need to actually run it inside a vm to reprouce
[17:19] <mvo> but dinner first
[17:21] <bdmurray> mvo: okay, thanks for working on it!
[17:39] <bdmurray> the acidbase package could use some bug conslidation
[17:40] <bdmurray> there seem to be lots of duplicates in there
[18:08] <bdmurray> micahg: re bug 685832 I don't think there is a badge
[18:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 685832 in launchpad-gm-scripts "Show MOTU badge? (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685832
[18:09] <micahg> bdmurray: there is one for MOTU, it's the closed hand
[18:09] <bdmurray> micahg: for launchpad.net/~motu ?
[18:09] <micahg> bdmurray: I thought so, let me check
[18:10] <micahg> bdmurray: yes
[18:10] <bdmurray> micahg: okay, well regardless motu is part of ubuntu-dev and universe-contributes both of which are shown
[18:11] <micahg> bdmurray: right, but neither of those are considered domain experts
[18:12] <bdmurray> micahg: um okay but isn't the this gonna just be one more icon for the people who already have 2 icons?
[18:13] <micahg> bdmurray: well, core-devs have an extra icon too
[18:13] <micahg> and motu-swat
[18:13] <bdmurray> micahg: right and those are subsets of ubuntu-dev but motu is not because they are members of ubuntu-dev
[18:14]  * micahg is confused
[18:14] <micahg> MOTU and core-dev have the same relationship WRT ubuntu-dev
[18:16] <bdmurray> okay I see how it makes sense now
[19:55] <bcurtiswx> micahg, does the set as desktop background function work on firefox 4b7 in natty ?
[19:55] <micahg> bcurtiswx: on KDE or GNOME?
[19:55] <bcurtiswx> micah, GNOME
[19:55] <bcurtiswx> micahg*
[19:55]  * micahg remembers there was a bug about it...
[19:56] <bcurtiswx> micahg, OK thx
[19:57] <micahg> bcurtiswx: no, I meant in general, idk if it works in natty, I would hope so :)
[19:57] <bcurtiswx> ah, it doesn't work in natty, but since GTK3 is so screwed up i wouldn't know what to do with it ATM
[19:58] <micahg> er, the original bug was Fixed for Firefox 3.5, if you see an issue, please fule a bug
[19:58] <micahg> *file
[19:58] <micahg> bcurtiswx: it shouldn't be using gtk3 AFAIK
[19:59] <bcurtiswx> well, as of right now g-c-c with the background section is borked due to GTK, which FFX I would assume uses
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Is bugbot a person or a script? It is closing bugs
[22:12] <charlie-tca> well, it is commenting that it is closing them, but leaving them in incomplete. What is it?
[22:12] <charlie-tca> see it in action on bug 450721
[22:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 450721 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 (Ubuntu) "xorg crashes by writing emails?! (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 13)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/450721
[22:25] <damariei> hello, quick question, what should I do if I come across a bug report and when I try to reproduce it there is no bug?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Are you reproducing it in Natty?
[22:30] <damariei> no maverick
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Which release did the reporter use?
[22:30] <damariei> maverick also
[22:31] <micahcowan> It might help to identify differences between your environ and reporter's that might possibly affect behavior. What's the bug #?
[22:31] <charlie-tca> You can comment that you could not reproduce it in an up-to-date 10.10, and ask them to try it again. Also ask to have them give you the exact steps they use to reproduce the issue.
[22:33] <damariei> well nevermind, I was just confused by the wording and I can reproduce it now but I have a new question, is it still a bug if it does actually function but not as the user would intend it to?
[22:33] <damariei> I am referring to 88241
[22:33] <charlie-tca> bug 88241
[22:33] <yofel> lp 88241
[22:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 88241 in linux-source-2.6.20 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "oops on suspend from dvb driver (heat: 2)" [Medium,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/88241
[22:34] <damariei> sorry
[22:34] <damariei> 688241
[22:34] <yofel> lp 688241
[22:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688241 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) "scan will not save a second doc - 'save as' works (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/688241
[22:35] <micahcowan> According to the user's description, it sounds like a regression
[22:35] <yofel> not using gnome, but while overwriting the previous file is the usual 'Save' behaviour, I would not expect that from a scan program
[22:35] <charlie-tca> So, to save a scanned document, you have to push "save as"? That is a fix of previous wrong behaviour, is it not?
[22:36] <damariei> even if you scan another page, instead of asking for a new location for the new page, it automatically overwrites the first one
[22:36] <yofel> damariei: you say it overwrites the file even though the button is grayed out?
[22:36] <damariei> yes
[22:36] <charlie-tca> the document does not have a name already, so pushing save the second saves with the file name entered previously.
[22:38] <damariei> i.e if i was to scan two pages, click save on the first one (it would ask for a location and name) then click save on the second it would automatically overwrite the first one without asking
[22:39] <charlie-tca> yofel: I see that as a bug, but I don't see the behavior as reported as one.
[22:40] <yofel> charlie-tca: not sure how simple-scan is supposed to behave, but overwriting a file is something I expect from an image editor, not a scan program.
[22:40] <micahcowan> Yeah, especially for one named "simple-scan".
[22:40] <damariei> exactly
[22:40] <charlie-tca> How does it know you changed documents? It is assuming that the first scan was not good enough.
[22:41] <yofel> not sure if xsane has a save or save as button, but it usually increases a suffix number by itself when trying to save again, so that's the behaviour I expect (since I'm used to it)
[22:41] <damariei> charlie-tca, i clicked on the second page
[22:41] <micahcowan> It sounds like a regression. If the developers indicate that it's intended behavior, that's another matter, but it sounds like it must be unintentional, to me, particularly if that's how it worked in previous versions.
[22:41]  * charlie-tca shrugs
[22:41] <damariei> yofel, yes I think that is actually how simple-scan functioned previously
[22:41] <micahcowan> According to the reporter, it is.
[22:42] <damariei> I myself use simple-scan and do remember it working that way I believe
[23:01] <damariei> ok so I tried a previous version of simple-scan and yes it does appear to be a regression, what should I do next?
[23:19] <yofel> damariei: add the 'regression-release' tag and forward to the simple-scan devs
[23:20] <yofel> damariei: actually it would be worth to try it in natty first (use a live disk)
[23:21] <yofel> since that has a newer bugfix release
[23:21] <yofel> (the tag applies anyway)
[23:21] <yofel> damariei: for future reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Regressions
[23:31] <damariei> yofel, thank you, and is it ok if I cannot actually Triage the bug? (permissions)
[23:32] <yofel> yes, 'Triaged' and "Won't Fix" can only be set by Bug Control
[23:32] <yofel> once you triaged the bug just ask here for the Status and Importance to be set
[23:44] <damariei> yofel, ok I have set regression on bug #688241 and forwarded upstream (https://bugs.launchpad.net/simple-scan/+bug/688372) can you Triage it?
[23:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 688372 in simple-scan "Saving any scans after first scan overwrites the file (Regression 1.x to 2.x) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[23:44] <ubot2> damariei: Bug 688241 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/688241 is private
[23:48] <yofel> ok, short lecture on upstreaming: you only need to file a bug report if the project is NOT hosted on launchpad
[23:48] <yofel> no harm done, launchpad is confusing sometimes
[23:48] <yofel> damariei: ok, now the proper way here: on 688241 click on 'also affects project'
[23:49] <damariei> yofel, ahh thanks, im still learning
[23:49] <yofel> damariei: that already has simple scan set as projet so just add it
[23:50] <damariei> yofel, ok done
[23:50] <yofel> damariei: now go to 688372, and mark it as a dup of 688241 (click on mark as a duplicate on the right)
[23:51] <damariei> yofel, ok done
[23:56] <yofel> hm, that might actually be a dup of bug 544108
[23:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 544108 in simple-scan (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Offer to number/date filename if file already exists (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 31)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544108