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| * charlie-tca waves | 19:00 | |
| mr_pouit | \o | 19:01 |
| charlie-tca | Well, let's get this started, huh? | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | #startmeeting | 19:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 13:02. The chair is charlie-tca. | 19:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:02 |
| * micahg forgot the meeting was in here :-/ | 19:02 | |
| charlie-tca | heh, and I did send a reminder, too | 19:02 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:03 |
| cody-somerville | Hi | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | I don't plan on copying all of it right now | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | hello, cody-somerville | 19:03 |
| charlie-tca | I see Book_em_Dano too, back there | 19:03 |
| Book_em_Dano | wassup | 19:03 |
| beardygnome | hi guys, sorry i'm a bit late | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | For those who don't know it yet, Book_em_Dano is working on updating the documentation for Xubunt! | 19:04 |
| Book_em_Dano | trying to do the best I can | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | Hello, beardygnome. You're right on time | 19:04 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Old business | 19:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Old business | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | I did email the developer of LightDM, and got a nice response. | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | He believes it should be ready in time for Natty release, but we have no dates yet on when we can actually try it | 19:05 |
| charlie-tca | One note on that, it worked when GDM failed the last 24 hours | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | any questions on LightDM? | 19:06 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads | 19:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Team updates - Team Leads | 19:07 |
| knome | (hey all! i'm not really actively here, but trying to follow) | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Packaging & Development - mr_pouit | 19:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Packaging & Development - mr_pouit | 19:07 |
| charlie-tca | Go ahead, sir | 19:07 |
| mr_pouit | eh, ok | 19:07 |
| mr_pouit | so, the usual link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Natty/Xfce4.8 | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | and for 4.8, the progress this week: | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | * legacy: Uploaded thunar-vfs 1.1.1. | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | * core: Uploaded remaining packages from 4.8~pre1, and all packages from 4.8~pre2. | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | * panel-plugins: ~25 rebuilt, ~17 to go. | 19:08 |
| mr_pouit | dailies are still broken because all panel plugins are not rebuilt yet. | 19:09 |
| mr_pouit | No other breaking news. :P | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | w00t! gaining rapidly on Natty... | 19:09 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: would it help if I grabbed a few of those panel plugins and rebuilt this weekend? | 19:09 |
| charlie-tca | GDM was fixed today by the Ubuntu team. logins are working again for Natty | 19:10 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: yep, sure (although I said incorrectly "rebuild", because the remaining ones need more work) | 19:10 |
| micahg | oh, hmm | 19:10 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions for on Packaging and Development ? | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: don't let that stop you! | 19:11 |
| charlie-tca | you can do it | 19:11 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: can I just grab and fix then? Do I need to coordinate w/Debian? | 19:11 |
| micahg | I guess we can chat about this after the meeting | 19:12 |
| mr_pouit | micahg: yep, let's discuss about that after, so the meeting doesn't last too long :p | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing | 19:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing | 19:12 |
| charlie-tca | We are going to invalidate a bunch of bugs with Xfce4.7/8 coming in. Since almost all of the panel code was re-written, those bugs will that still exist will need to be filed as new bugs | 19:13 |
| charlie-tca | Stack traces will need to be supplied, and in natty, apport will not work for us, last I heard. Which is okay, since we usually have to run gdb backtraces anyway | 19:15 |
| mr_pouit | mmh, apport won't work? | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | I still do not have any powerpc testers. I did send out an email to the users mailing list asking for some. | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | correct, mr_pouit. it's up in the air right now as to whether or not we will be able to use it | 19:16 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: just a note that bugs should be checked as to whether or not they are SRUable before invalidating | 19:16 |
| charlie-tca | It has been ported to gtk3 | 19:16 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: I think the decision was not to port major infrastructure to gtk3 | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: they will be, but most of xfce4.7 will not be backported due to the dependencies | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | apport already been done | 19:17 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: no, I understand that, but we should be careful to make sure that any bug that's SRU worthy not be closed as the other releases are still supported | 19:17 |
| charlie-tca | we will check that as part of the process. | 19:18 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: also, re: apport, they might be reversing that soon | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | That's why I said "up in the air" at this point. | 19:18 |
| charlie-tca | anything else on bugs and testing? | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Website & Marketing | 19:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Website & Marketing | 19:19 |
| charlie-tca | ochosi has done a lot of work on greybird and faenza-xfce icons | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | Please take a look at them if you have time, and give some feedback. | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty | 19:21 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | has the how to do it information at this time | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | I am running Natty with greybird and the faenza-xfce icons, and it great! | 19:21 |
| charlie-tca | the wallpaper specs are at | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper | 19:22 |
| MootBot | LINK received: [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | I said a while back that I'd try to touch base with current website folks to get that rolling, but I never made time for that, apologies | 19:22 |
| charlie-tca | pleia2: ??? | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | charlie-tca: xubuntu.org is still using our old logo and everything, I had offered to try to get the site changed but haven't yet | 19:23 |
| charlie-tca | Oh! Thank you very much | 19:24 |
| charlie-tca | For those wanting to find the logo and icons, they are now on | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork | 19:25 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | so you don't have to dig for them. knome did a great job sprucing them up, too | 19:25 |
| charlie-tca | artwork - the team wants to know if March 17 is a good cutoff date for submissions. The freeze is March 24 | 19:26 |
| charlie-tca | Will that give us enough time to select wallpaper, have it fixed as we want, and get in into packaging? | 19:27 |
| beardygnome | who will be making the selection? | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | That's a good question. | 19:28 |
| charlie-tca | I would hope those who are contributing to Xubuntu. We can vote in the meeting here. | 19:29 |
| beardygnome | then maybe we need a little longer? | 19:29 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, anyone have an idea how long we need here? | 19:30 |
| beardygnome | march 17 and 24 are both thursdays, so we would need a separate meeting to vote on the submissions | 19:31 |
| charlie-tca | We will have a meeting on the 10th and 17th with this schedule | 19:31 |
| charlie-tca | or, we can do the voting through the mailing list... | 19:32 |
| beardygnome | how about we set the cuttoff at march 14 or 15, then vote on march 17? | 19:32 |
| beardygnome | at the meeting | 19:32 |
| charlie-tca | I like that idea. | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | Anyone else? | 19:33 |
| mr_pouit | +1 | 19:33 |
| beardygnome | that gives the contributor almost a week to fix it before the freeze, if it needs fixing | 19:33 |
| charlie-tca | [VOTE] wallpaper should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote | 19:34 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: wallpaper should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote. | 19:34 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 19:34 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 19:34 |
| charlie-tca | +1 | 19:34 |
| MootBot | +1 received from charlie-tca. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 19:34 |
| beardygnome | +1 | 19:34 |
| MootBot | +1 received from beardygnome. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 19:34 |
| micahg | who has a vote? | 19:34 |
| charlie-tca | All in attendance | 19:34 |
| micahg | +1 | 19:34 |
| MootBot | +1 received from micahg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 19:34 |
| mr_pouit | +1 | 19:34 |
| MootBot | +1 received from mr_pouit. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 19:34 |
| charlie-tca | Any other votes? closing soon | 19:35 |
| charlie-tca | [ENDVOTE] | 19:35 |
| MootBot | Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 | 19:35 |
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| charlie-tca | With 4 votes, I will notify the artwork group that we need to set the date March 14 to close submissions | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | Any other discussion on Artwork? | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Documentation | 19:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Documentation | 19:36 |
| charlie-tca | I will let Book_em_Dano update us on this one, please | 19:37 |
| cody-somerville | :-) | 19:37 |
| * charlie-tca struggled with it long enough in the dark, now | 19:37 | |
| Book_em_Dano | Well, I've been making updates to the Natty branch and most of those changes can be applied to maverick | 19:37 |
| Book_em_Dano | I'm also reviewing the docs for lucid so that updated docs are available for updates soon | 19:38 |
| charlie-tca | Great! Are we really going to be up-to-date for Natty, then? | 19:38 |
| Book_em_Dano | I'm very confident that we will | 19:39 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you for doing that work! It will be really great to have that done | 19:39 |
| Book_em_Dano | I'd appreciate some extra eyes to look over the changes I've made | 19:39 |
| Book_em_Dano | whenever possible | 19:39 |
| charlie-tca | How do we do that? | 19:40 |
| * charlie-tca looked in Natty, but of course, the changes are not there yet | 19:40 | |
| Book_em_Dano | pull down the latest branch from bzr | 19:40 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, and do we let you know directly what we find? | 19:41 |
| Book_em_Dano | yeah just file a bug or send me an email | 19:41 |
| beardygnome | Book_em_Dano: I'm new to this, so is there somewhere that details how to "pull down the latest branch from bzr"? | 19:42 |
| charlie-tca | [ACTION] As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr | 19:42 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr | 19:42 |
| Book_em_Dano | just a moment | 19:42 |
| Book_em_Dano | [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository | 19:43 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository | 19:43 |
| Book_em_Dano | lp:xubuntu-docs is the lastest branch of the documentation | 19:44 |
| beardygnome | thanks Book_em_Dano | 19:44 |
| Book_em_Dano | any other ?'s | 19:44 |
| beardygnome | not about the docs, but where can i get a natty iso? | 19:44 |
| beardygnome | i'd like to get a vm running it | 19:45 |
| Book_em_Dano | [LINK] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ | 19:45 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ | 19:45 |
| beardygnome | brilliant, thanks | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | We do not have any daily iso right now, but the alpha1 image is good | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/ | 19:46 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/ | 19:46 |
| charlie-tca | Until we get the panel plugins updated, we won't get a new image | 19:46 |
| beardygnome | ok charlie-tca, thanks | 19:46 |
| Book_em_Dano | I guess that's all for docs now | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you very much, Book_em_Dano. It's great to know we have you | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty | 19:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty | 19:47 |
| charlie-tca | My thought right now is to discontinue the PS3 port completely, since the manufacturer doesn't want the os changed anymore | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | any comments on it? | 19:48 |
| mr_pouit | I agree | 19:48 |
| beardygnome | +1. was it very popular anyway? | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | at different times it was | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | As for the PowerPC port, unless we get testers for it, we will not be producing the release milestones, thus it will not release as 11.04 | 19:49 |
| charlie-tca | I am willing to allow the dailies until next month, when we should discuss continuing this too. | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | Any questions or comments on this? | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2 | 19:51 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2 | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | Since we have many updates to 10.04 when it is installed, I want to publish the .2 image | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | This will allow us to get the changes in and save those installing it some bandwidth. | 19:52 |
| charlie-tca | We know not all places have the fastest thing going, and unlimited downloads available. | 19:52 |
| beardygnome | that seems like a good idea | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe we can even get the docs in it updated before the release? | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | mr_pouit: do we need to SRU the documentation? | 19:53 |
| charlie-tca | cody-somerville: : do we need to SRU the documentation? | 19:54 |
| micahg | Major Mozilla updates are Firefox 3.6 has Out of process plugins for flash now and Thunderbird will be 3.1.x | 19:54 |
| cody-somerville | charlie-tca, Are people still working on 10.04 documentation? | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | Book_em_Dano: is trying to update it | 19:55 |
| charlie-tca | It will be around for another 2 years + | 19:55 |
| cody-somerville | Is the 10.04 documentation translated? | 19:56 |
| charlie-tca | I don't believe so, since it is still 9.10 docs | 19:56 |
| Book_em_Dano | when is the cutoff date to allow updates to be available for 10.04.2? | 19:58 |
| micahg | Book_em_Dano: probably the beginning of February | 19:59 |
| charlie-tca | the release is scheduled for February 17, so probably February 10 | 19:59 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: no, they should be in a week before so they can have proper verification before the images are made | 20:00 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah? So plan for the 1st of February? | 20:01 |
| Book_em_Dano | I should be able to revise the docs for lucid by that time | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^ | 20:01 |
| micahg | Feb 7 would probably be the last day to sanely get something in, but that's really last minute | 20:01 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 20:02 |
| Book_em_Dano | alright | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Moving on, then, since we need to wrap up, | 20:02 |
| micahg | BTW, that date is uploaded, not verified :) | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Governance | 20:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Governance | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: can you find out for us? | 20:03 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: find out what? | 20:03 |
| charlie-tca | what the actual cutoff date is on getting things in for .2? | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | Not necessarily today, but ... | 20:04 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: sure, but I would imagine CDs start spinning the Tuesday before release, so you want to have everything uploaded by the Monday before that to give 1 week in -proposed | 20:04 |
| charlie-tca | that makes sense. | 20:05 |
| micahg | that's why I said last sane date to upload is Feb 7 | 20:05 |
| charlie-tca | As far as governance, nominations for Project Lead are due by Dec 15. Please send nominations in to the Community Council | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html | 20:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html | 20:06 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: sorry, I will do that tomorrow | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | Done | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | I was nominated by j1mc for Project Lead, and will accept that nomination. | 20:07 |
| micahg | charlie-tca: oh, so I don't have to nominate? | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | micahg: correct | 20:07 |
| * micahg will thanks j1mc later :) | 20:08 | |
| charlie-tca | :-) | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | Any other comments/questions on governance3? | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Any other business? | 20:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any other business? | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | Open floor | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | going... | 20:09 |
| micahg | Thunderbird will be moving to 3.1.x very soon | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | going.... | 20:09 |
| micahg | in Lucid | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | Yay! | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | We need anyone that can to test the latest thunderbird, too, right? | 20:10 |
| micahg | so, if anyone wants to test, it's staged in the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA | 20:10 |
| cody-somerville | Speaking of Project Governance | 20:10 |
| micahg | but that will probably get pushed out today or tomorrow | 20:10 |
| beardygnome | test it on lucid or test it full stop? | 20:10 |
| micahg | beardygnome: just lucid, we shipped maverick with it | 20:10 |
| jdstrand | micahg: please keep me posted on tbird testing. I am doing it myself as we speak | 20:10 |
| cody-somerville | I thought charlie-tca was affirmed as the project leader - not just as an interim - already. Am I mistaken? | 20:11 |
| beardygnome | micahg: ok, thanks | 20:11 |
| micahg | jdstrand: ok, no new news, release date is supposed to be today for 3.1.7 | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | I hadn't seen that. | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | cody-somerville: we never got a vote setup, did we? | 20:12 |
| * charlie-tca steps back so others can discuss this | 20:12 | |
| cody-somerville | I'm pretty sure we affirmed you, charlie-tca, as the project leader in a community meeting. | 20:13 |
| cody-somerville | So unless its been three release cycles since then, which I don't think it has been, then I think you're good to go. | 20:13 |
| charlie-tca | hm, anyone else got anything on that one? | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | It's been one cycle, but I did not think it was confirmed | 20:14 |
| beardygnome | i think you're doing a great job charlie-tca, i was going to vote for you anyway :-) | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | thus the call for nominations | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | I think we press on with the nominations and CC involvement now | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | I really do appreciate the support, though. | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | any more comments? | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | We will meet again in one week, December 16, here, at 19:00 UTC | 20:17 |
| charlie-tca | #endmeeting | 20:17 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 14:17. | 20:17 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you all for being here! | 20:17 |
| beardygnome | i can't make next week's meeting charlie-tca | 20:17 |
| beardygnome | will there be one on dec 23? | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, we will keep good notes. | 20:18 |
| Book_em_Dano | Are these meetings archived anywhere? | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | I don't think we will, with Christmas so close. Let's go for the 30th, though | 20:18 |
| charlie-tca | Book_em_Dano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 20:19 |
| charlie-tca | archives at the bottom | 20:19 |
| beardygnome | ok - i'll have my vm running alpha1 then and hopefully will have gone through some of the documentation too | 20:19 |
| charlie-tca | Great! | 20:19 |
| charlie-tca | i just hope these serve more purpose than me just blabbering... | 20:20 |
| beardygnome | yeah, they do. sounds like we're progressing well with natty | 20:21 |
| charlie-tca | the intent was to try and keep us all informed. | 20:22 |
| beardygnome | one question for you charlie-tca - what does SRU stand for? :-) | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | Stable Release Update | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure | 20:22 |
| beardygnome | ty | 20:23 |
| boinkboink1 | /part | 20:28 |
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