=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs === ogra_ac is now known as ogra === ogra is now known as Guest42462 === ogra_ is now known as ogra === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-brb === oubiwann is now known as oubiwann_ === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann === yofel_ is now known as yofel === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [15:01] To all that were planning on attending the Mobile/Arm team meeting today at 15:00 UTC; the meeting has been canceled do to key players' otehr commitments and holiday schedules. Thank you. === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs [19:00] * charlie-tca waves [19:01] \o [19:02] Well, let's get this started, huh? [19:02] #startmeeting [19:02] Meeting started at 13:02. The chair is charlie-tca. [19:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:02] * micahg forgot the meeting was in here :-/ [19:02] heh, and I did send a reminder, too [19:03] [TOPIC] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:03] New Topic: Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:03] Hi [19:03] I don't plan on copying all of it right now [19:03] hello, cody-somerville [19:03] I see Book_em_Dano too, back there [19:03] wassup [19:04] hi guys, sorry i'm a bit late [19:04] For those who don't know it yet, Book_em_Dano is working on updating the documentation for Xubunt! [19:04] trying to do the best I can [19:04] Hello, beardygnome. You're right on time [19:05] [TOPIC] Old business [19:05] New Topic: Old business [19:05] I did email the developer of LightDM, and got a nice response. [19:05] He believes it should be ready in time for Natty release, but we have no dates yet on when we can actually try it [19:06] One note on that, it worked when GDM failed the last 24 hours [19:06] any questions on LightDM? [19:07] [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads [19:07] New Topic: Team updates - Team Leads [19:07] (hey all! i'm not really actively here, but trying to follow) [19:07] [TOPIC] Packaging & Development - mr_pouit [19:07] New Topic: Packaging & Development - mr_pouit [19:07] Go ahead, sir [19:07] eh, ok [19:08] so, the usual link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Natty/Xfce4.8 [19:08] and for 4.8, the progress this week: [19:08] * legacy: Uploaded thunar-vfs 1.1.1. [19:08] * core: Uploaded remaining packages from 4.8~pre1, and all packages from 4.8~pre2. [19:08] * panel-plugins: ~25 rebuilt, ~17 to go. [19:09] dailies are still broken because all panel plugins are not rebuilt yet. [19:09] No other breaking news. :P [19:09] w00t! gaining rapidly on Natty... [19:09] mr_pouit: would it help if I grabbed a few of those panel plugins and rebuilt this weekend? [19:10] GDM was fixed today by the Ubuntu team. logins are working again for Natty [19:10] micahg: yep, sure (although I said incorrectly "rebuild", because the remaining ones need more work) [19:10] oh, hmm [19:11] Any questions for on Packaging and Development ? [19:11] micahg: don't let that stop you! [19:11] you can do it [19:11] mr_pouit: can I just grab and fix then? Do I need to coordinate w/Debian? [19:12] I guess we can chat about this after the meeting [19:12] micahg: yep, let's discuss about that after, so the meeting doesn't last too long :p [19:12] [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing [19:12] New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing [19:13] We are going to invalidate a bunch of bugs with Xfce4.7/8 coming in. Since almost all of the panel code was re-written, those bugs will that still exist will need to be filed as new bugs [19:15] Stack traces will need to be supplied, and in natty, apport will not work for us, last I heard. Which is okay, since we usually have to run gdb backtraces anyway [19:16] mmh, apport won't work? [19:16] I still do not have any powerpc testers. I did send out an email to the users mailing list asking for some. [19:16] correct, mr_pouit. it's up in the air right now as to whether or not we will be able to use it [19:16] charlie-tca: just a note that bugs should be checked as to whether or not they are SRUable before invalidating [19:16] It has been ported to gtk3 [19:17] charlie-tca: I think the decision was not to port major infrastructure to gtk3 [19:17] micahg: they will be, but most of xfce4.7 will not be backported due to the dependencies [19:17] apport already been done [19:17] charlie-tca: no, I understand that, but we should be careful to make sure that any bug that's SRU worthy not be closed as the other releases are still supported [19:18] we will check that as part of the process. [19:18] charlie-tca: also, re: apport, they might be reversing that soon [19:18] That's why I said "up in the air" at this point. [19:19] anything else on bugs and testing? [19:19] [TOPIC] Website & Marketing [19:19] New Topic: Website & Marketing [19:20] ochosi has done a lot of work on greybird and faenza-xfce icons [19:21] Please take a look at them if you have time, and give some feedback. [19:21] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty [19:21] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty [19:21] has the how to do it information at this time [19:21] I am running Natty with greybird and the faenza-xfce icons, and it great! [19:22] the wallpaper specs are at [19:22] [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper [19:22] LINK received: [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper [19:22] I said a while back that I'd try to touch base with current website folks to get that rolling, but I never made time for that, apologies [19:23] pleia2: ??? [19:23] charlie-tca: xubuntu.org is still using our old logo and everything, I had offered to try to get the site changed but haven't yet [19:24] Oh! Thank you very much [19:25] For those wanting to find the logo and icons, they are now on [19:25] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork [19:25] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork [19:25] so you don't have to dig for them. knome did a great job sprucing them up, too [19:26] artwork - the team wants to know if March 17 is a good cutoff date for submissions. The freeze is March 24 [19:27] Will that give us enough time to select wallpaper, have it fixed as we want, and get in into packaging? [19:28] who will be making the selection? [19:28] That's a good question. [19:29] I would hope those who are contributing to Xubuntu. We can vote in the meeting here. [19:29] then maybe we need a little longer? [19:30] Okay, anyone have an idea how long we need here? [19:31] march 17 and 24 are both thursdays, so we would need a separate meeting to vote on the submissions [19:31] We will have a meeting on the 10th and 17th with this schedule [19:32] or, we can do the voting through the mailing list... [19:32] how about we set the cuttoff at march 14 or 15, then vote on march 17? [19:32] at the meeting [19:33] I like that idea. [19:33] Anyone else? [19:33] +1 [19:33] that gives the contributor almost a week to fix it before the freeze, if it needs fixing [19:34] [VOTE] wallpaper should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote [19:34] Please vote on: wallpaper should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote. [19:34] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [19:34] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [19:34] +1 [19:34] +1 received from charlie-tca. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [19:34] +1 [19:34] +1 received from beardygnome. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [19:34] who has a vote? [19:34] All in attendance [19:34] +1 [19:34] +1 received from micahg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [19:34] +1 [19:34] +1 received from mr_pouit. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [19:35] Any other votes? closing soon [19:35] [ENDVOTE] [19:35] Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-brb [19:36] With 4 votes, I will notify the artwork group that we need to set the date March 14 to close submissions [19:36] Any other discussion on Artwork? [19:36] [TOPIC] Documentation [19:36] New Topic: Documentation [19:37] I will let Book_em_Dano update us on this one, please [19:37] :-) [19:37] * charlie-tca struggled with it long enough in the dark, now [19:37] Well, I've been making updates to the Natty branch and most of those changes can be applied to maverick [19:38] I'm also reviewing the docs for lucid so that updated docs are available for updates soon [19:38] Great! Are we really going to be up-to-date for Natty, then? [19:39] I'm very confident that we will [19:39] Thank you for doing that work! It will be really great to have that done [19:39] I'd appreciate some extra eyes to look over the changes I've made [19:39] whenever possible [19:40] How do we do that? [19:40] * charlie-tca looked in Natty, but of course, the changes are not there yet [19:40] pull down the latest branch from bzr [19:41] Okay, and do we let you know directly what we find? [19:41] yeah just file a bug or send me an email [19:42] Book_em_Dano: I'm new to this, so is there somewhere that details how to "pull down the latest branch from bzr"? [19:42] [ACTION] As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr [19:42] ACTION received: As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr [19:42] just a moment [19:43] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository [19:43] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository [19:44] lp:xubuntu-docs is the lastest branch of the documentation [19:44] thanks Book_em_Dano [19:44] any other ?'s [19:44] not about the docs, but where can i get a natty iso? [19:45] i'd like to get a vm running it [19:45] [LINK] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ [19:45] LINK received: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/ [19:46] brilliant, thanks [19:46] We do not have any daily iso right now, but the alpha1 image is good [19:46] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/ [19:46] LINK received: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/ [19:46] Until we get the panel plugins updated, we won't get a new image [19:46] ok charlie-tca, thanks [19:47] I guess that's all for docs now [19:47] Thank you very much, Book_em_Dano. It's great to know we have you [19:47] [TOPIC] PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty [19:47] New Topic: PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty [19:48] My thought right now is to discontinue the PS3 port completely, since the manufacturer doesn't want the os changed anymore [19:48] any comments on it? [19:48] I agree [19:48] +1. was it very popular anyway? [19:48] at different times it was [19:49] As for the PowerPC port, unless we get testers for it, we will not be producing the release milestones, thus it will not release as 11.04 [19:50] I am willing to allow the dailies until next month, when we should discuss continuing this too. [19:50] Any questions or comments on this? [19:51] [TOPIC] Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2 [19:51] New Topic: Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2 [19:51] Since we have many updates to 10.04 when it is installed, I want to publish the .2 image [19:52] This will allow us to get the changes in and save those installing it some bandwidth. [19:52] We know not all places have the fastest thing going, and unlimited downloads available. [19:53] that seems like a good idea [19:53] Maybe we can even get the docs in it updated before the release? [19:53] mr_pouit: do we need to SRU the documentation? [19:54] cody-somerville: : do we need to SRU the documentation? [19:54] Major Mozilla updates are Firefox 3.6 has Out of process plugins for flash now and Thunderbird will be 3.1.x [19:55] charlie-tca, Are people still working on 10.04 documentation? [19:55] Book_em_Dano: is trying to update it [19:55] It will be around for another 2 years + [19:56] Is the 10.04 documentation translated? [19:56] I don't believe so, since it is still 9.10 docs [19:58] when is the cutoff date to allow updates to be available for 10.04.2? [19:59] Book_em_Dano: probably the beginning of February [19:59] the release is scheduled for February 17, so probably February 10 [20:00] charlie-tca: no, they should be in a week before so they can have proper verification before the images are made [20:01] Yeah? So plan for the 1st of February? [20:01] I should be able to revise the docs for lucid by that time [20:01] cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^ [20:01] Feb 7 would probably be the last day to sanely get something in, but that's really last minute [20:02] Okay [20:02] alright [20:02] Moving on, then, since we need to wrap up, [20:03] BTW, that date is uploaded, not verified :) [20:03] [TOPIC] Governance [20:03] New Topic: Governance [20:03] micahg: can you find out for us? [20:03] charlie-tca: find out what? [20:04] what the actual cutoff date is on getting things in for .2? [20:04] Not necessarily today, but ... [20:04] charlie-tca: sure, but I would imagine CDs start spinning the Tuesday before release, so you want to have everything uploaded by the Monday before that to give 1 week in -proposed [20:05] that makes sense. [20:05] that's why I said last sane date to upload is Feb 7 [20:06] As far as governance, nominations for Project Lead are due by Dec 15. Please send nominations in to the Community Council [20:06] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html [20:06] LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html [20:06] charlie-tca: sorry, I will do that tomorrow [20:06] Done [20:07] I was nominated by j1mc for Project Lead, and will accept that nomination. [20:07] charlie-tca: oh, so I don't have to nominate? [20:07] micahg: correct [20:08] * micahg will thanks j1mc later :) [20:08] :-) [20:08] Any other comments/questions on governance3? [20:09] [TOPIC] Any other business? [20:09] New Topic: Any other business? [20:09] Open floor [20:09] going... [20:09] Thunderbird will be moving to 3.1.x very soon [20:09] going.... [20:09] in Lucid [20:09] Yay! [20:10] We need anyone that can to test the latest thunderbird, too, right? [20:10] so, if anyone wants to test, it's staged in the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA [20:10] Speaking of Project Governance [20:10] but that will probably get pushed out today or tomorrow [20:10] test it on lucid or test it full stop? [20:10] beardygnome: just lucid, we shipped maverick with it [20:10] micahg: please keep me posted on tbird testing. I am doing it myself as we speak [20:11] I thought charlie-tca was affirmed as the project leader - not just as an interim - already. Am I mistaken? [20:11] micahg: ok, thanks [20:11] jdstrand: ok, no new news, release date is supposed to be today for 3.1.7 [20:11] I hadn't seen that. [20:12] cody-somerville: we never got a vote setup, did we? [20:12] * charlie-tca steps back so others can discuss this [20:13] I'm pretty sure we affirmed you, charlie-tca, as the project leader in a community meeting. [20:13] So unless its been three release cycles since then, which I don't think it has been, then I think you're good to go. [20:14] hm, anyone else got anything on that one? [20:14] It's been one cycle, but I did not think it was confirmed [20:14] i think you're doing a great job charlie-tca, i was going to vote for you anyway :-) [20:14] thus the call for nominations [20:15] I think we press on with the nominations and CC involvement now [20:16] I really do appreciate the support, though. [20:16] any more comments? [20:17] We will meet again in one week, December 16, here, at 19:00 UTC [20:17] #endmeeting [20:17] Meeting finished at 14:17. [20:17] Thank you all for being here! [20:17] i can't make next week's meeting charlie-tca [20:18] will there be one on dec 23? [20:18] Okay, we will keep good notes. [20:18] Are these meetings archived anywhere? [20:18] I don't think we will, with Christmas so close. Let's go for the 30th, though [20:19] Book_em_Dano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [20:19] archives at the bottom [20:19] ok - i'll have my vm running alpha1 then and hopefully will have gone through some of the documentation too [20:19] Great! [20:20] i just hope these serve more purpose than me just blabbering... [20:21] yeah, they do. sounds like we're progressing well with natty [20:22] the intent was to try and keep us all informed. [20:22] one question for you charlie-tca - what does SRU stand for? :-) [20:22] Stable Release Update [20:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure [20:23] ty [20:28] /part === ogra is now known as Guest74620 === 92AABQTKT is now known as hakimsheriff === Ursinha-brb is now known as Ursinha