[15:01] <GrueMaster> To all that were planning on attending the Mobile/Arm team meeting today at 15:00 UTC; the meeting has been canceled do to key players' otehr commitments and holiday schedules.  Thank you.
[19:00]  * charlie-tca waves
[19:01] <mr_pouit> \o
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Well, let's get this started, huh?
[19:02] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 13:02. The chair is charlie-tca.
[19:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[19:02]  * micahg forgot the meeting was in here :-/
[19:02] <charlie-tca> heh, and I did send a reminder, too
[19:03] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <cody-somerville> Hi
[19:03] <charlie-tca> I don't plan on copying all of it right now
[19:03] <charlie-tca> hello, cody-somerville
[19:03] <charlie-tca> I see Book_em_Dano too, back there
[19:03] <Book_em_Dano> wassup
[19:04] <beardygnome> hi guys, sorry i'm a bit late
[19:04] <charlie-tca> For those who don't know it yet, Book_em_Dano is working on updating the documentation for Xubunt!
[19:04] <Book_em_Dano> trying to do the best I can
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Hello, beardygnome. You're right on time
[19:05] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business
[19:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Old business
[19:05] <charlie-tca> I did email the developer of LightDM, and got a nice response.
[19:05] <charlie-tca> He believes it should be ready in time for Natty release, but we have no dates yet on when we can actually try it
[19:06] <charlie-tca> One note on that, it worked when GDM failed the last 24 hours
[19:06] <charlie-tca> any questions on LightDM?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team updates - Team Leads
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team updates - Team Leads
[19:07] <knome> (hey all! i'm not really actively here, but trying to follow)
[19:07] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Packaging & Development - mr_pouit
[19:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Packaging & Development - mr_pouit
[19:07] <charlie-tca> Go ahead, sir
[19:07] <mr_pouit> eh, ok
[19:08] <mr_pouit> so, the usual link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Natty/Xfce4.8
[19:08] <mr_pouit> and for 4.8, the progress this week:
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * legacy: Uploaded thunar-vfs 1.1.1.
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * core: Uploaded remaining packages from 4.8~pre1, and all packages from 4.8~pre2.
[19:08] <mr_pouit> * panel-plugins: ~25 rebuilt, ~17 to go.
[19:09] <mr_pouit> dailies are still broken because all panel plugins are not rebuilt yet.
[19:09] <mr_pouit> No other breaking news. :P
[19:09] <charlie-tca> w00t! gaining rapidly on Natty...
[19:09] <micahg> mr_pouit: would it help if I grabbed a few of those panel plugins and rebuilt this weekend?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> GDM was fixed today by the Ubuntu team. logins are working again for Natty
[19:10] <mr_pouit> micahg: yep, sure (although I said incorrectly "rebuild", because the remaining ones need more work)
[19:10] <micahg> oh, hmm
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Any questions for on Packaging and Development ?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> micahg: don't let that stop you!
[19:11] <charlie-tca> you can do it
[19:11] <micahg> mr_pouit: can I just grab and fix then?  Do I need to coordinate w/Debian?
[19:12] <micahg> I guess we can chat about this after the meeting
[19:12] <mr_pouit> micahg: yep, let's discuss about that after, so the meeting doesn't last too long :p
[19:12] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
[19:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bug Triage & Testing
[19:13] <charlie-tca> We are going to invalidate a bunch of bugs with Xfce4.7/8 coming in. Since almost all of the panel code was re-written, those bugs will that still exist will need to be filed as new bugs
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Stack traces will need to be supplied, and in natty, apport will not work for us, last I heard. Which is okay, since we usually have to run gdb backtraces anyway
[19:16] <mr_pouit> mmh, apport won't work?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> I still do not have any powerpc testers. I did send out an email to the users mailing list asking for some.
[19:16] <charlie-tca> correct, mr_pouit. it's up in the air right now as to whether or not we will be able to use it
[19:16] <micahg> charlie-tca: just a note that bugs should be checked as to whether or not they are SRUable before invalidating
[19:16] <charlie-tca> It has been ported to gtk3
[19:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: I think the decision was not to port major infrastructure to gtk3
[19:17] <charlie-tca> micahg: they will be, but most of xfce4.7 will not be backported due to the dependencies
[19:17] <charlie-tca> apport already been done
[19:17] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, I understand that, but we should be careful to make sure that any bug that's SRU worthy not be closed as the other releases are still supported
[19:18] <charlie-tca> we will check that as part of the process.
[19:18] <micahg> charlie-tca: also, re: apport, they might be reversing that soon
[19:18] <charlie-tca> That's why I said "up in the air" at this point.
[19:19] <charlie-tca> anything else on bugs and testing?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
[19:19] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website & Marketing
[19:20] <charlie-tca> ochosi has done a lot of work on greybird  and faenza-xfce icons
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Please take a look at them if you have time, and give some feedback.
[19:21] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty
[19:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty
[19:21] <charlie-tca> has the how to do it information at this time
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I am running Natty with greybird and the faenza-xfce icons, and it great!
[19:22] <charlie-tca> the wallpaper specs are at
[19:22] <charlie-tca> [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper
[19:22] <MootBot> LINK received: [LINK} https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper
[19:22] <pleia2> I said a while back that I'd try to touch base with current website folks to get that rolling, but I never made time for that, apologies
[19:23] <charlie-tca> pleia2: ???
[19:23] <pleia2> charlie-tca: xubuntu.org is still using our old logo and everything, I had offered to try to get the site changed but haven't yet
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Oh! Thank you very much
[19:25] <charlie-tca> For those wanting to find the logo and icons, they are now on
[19:25] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork
[19:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork
[19:25] <charlie-tca> so you don't have to dig for them. knome did a great job sprucing them up, too
[19:26] <charlie-tca> artwork - the team wants to know if March 17 is a good cutoff date for submissions. The freeze is March 24
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Will that give us enough time to select wallpaper, have it fixed as we want, and get in into packaging?
[19:28] <beardygnome> who will be making the selection?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> That's a good question.
[19:29] <charlie-tca> I would hope those who are contributing to Xubuntu. We can vote in the meeting here.
[19:29] <beardygnome> then maybe we need a little longer?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Okay, anyone have an idea how long we need here?
[19:31] <beardygnome> march 17 and 24 are both thursdays, so we would need a separate meeting to vote on the submissions
[19:31] <charlie-tca> We will have a meeting on the 10th and 17th with this schedule
[19:32] <charlie-tca> or, we can do the voting through the mailing list...
[19:32] <beardygnome> how about we set the cuttoff at march 14 or 15, then vote on march 17?
[19:32] <beardygnome> at the meeting
[19:33] <charlie-tca> I like that idea.
[19:33] <charlie-tca> Anyone else?
[19:33] <mr_pouit> +1
[19:33] <beardygnome> that gives the contributor almost a week to fix it before the freeze, if it needs fixing
[19:34] <charlie-tca> [VOTE] wallpaper  should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote
[19:34] <MootBot> Please vote on:  wallpaper  should be ready by March 14, so we can vote on the choice on March 17. Please vote.
[19:34] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[19:34] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[19:34] <charlie-tca> +1
[19:34] <MootBot> +1 received from charlie-tca. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[19:34] <beardygnome> +1
[19:34] <MootBot> +1 received from beardygnome. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[19:34] <micahg> who has a vote?
[19:34] <charlie-tca> All in attendance
[19:34] <micahg> +1
[19:34] <MootBot> +1 received from micahg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[19:34] <mr_pouit> +1
[19:34] <MootBot> +1 received from mr_pouit. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[19:35] <charlie-tca> Any other votes? closing soon
[19:35] <charlie-tca> [ENDVOTE]
[19:35] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
[19:36] <charlie-tca> With 4 votes, I will notify the artwork group that we need to set the date March 14 to close submissions
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Any other discussion on Artwork?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Documentation
[19:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I will let Book_em_Dano update us on this one, please
[19:37] <cody-somerville> :-)
[19:37]  * charlie-tca struggled with it long enough in the dark, now
[19:37] <Book_em_Dano> Well, I've been making updates to the Natty branch and most of those changes can be applied to maverick
[19:38] <Book_em_Dano> I'm also reviewing the docs for lucid so that updated docs are available for updates soon
[19:38] <charlie-tca> Great! Are we really going to be up-to-date for Natty, then?
[19:39] <Book_em_Dano> I'm very confident that we will
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Thank you for doing that work! It will be really great to have that done
[19:39] <Book_em_Dano> I'd appreciate some extra eyes to look over the changes I've made
[19:39] <Book_em_Dano> whenever possible
[19:40] <charlie-tca> How do we do that?
[19:40]  * charlie-tca looked in Natty, but of course, the changes are not there yet
[19:40] <Book_em_Dano> pull down the latest branch from bzr
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Okay, and do we let you know directly what we find?
[19:41] <Book_em_Dano> yeah just file a bug or send me an email
[19:42] <beardygnome> Book_em_Dano: I'm new to this, so is there somewhere that details how to "pull down the latest branch from bzr"?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr
[19:42] <MootBot> ACTION received:  As many people as possible need to review the latest docs in bzr
[19:42] <Book_em_Dano> just a moment
[19:43] <Book_em_Dano> [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository
[19:43] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository
[19:44] <Book_em_Dano> lp:xubuntu-docs is the lastest branch of the documentation
[19:44] <beardygnome> thanks Book_em_Dano
[19:44] <Book_em_Dano> any other ?'s
[19:44] <beardygnome> not about the docs, but where can i get a natty iso?
[19:45] <beardygnome> i'd like to get a vm running it
[19:45] <Book_em_Dano> [LINK]  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[19:45] <MootBot> LINK received:   http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[19:46] <beardygnome> brilliant, thanks
[19:46] <charlie-tca> We do not have any daily iso right now, but the alpha1 image is good
[19:46] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/
[19:46] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-1/
[19:46] <charlie-tca> Until we get the panel plugins updated, we won't get a new image
[19:46] <beardygnome> ok charlie-tca, thanks
[19:47] <Book_em_Dano> I guess that's all for docs now
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much, Book_em_Dano. It's great to know we have you
[19:47] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty
[19:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  PowerPC and PS3 ports for Natty
[19:48] <charlie-tca> My thought right now is to discontinue the PS3 port completely, since the manufacturer doesn't want the os changed anymore
[19:48] <charlie-tca> any comments on it?
[19:48] <mr_pouit> I agree
[19:48] <beardygnome> +1.  was it very popular anyway?
[19:48] <charlie-tca> at different times it was
[19:49] <charlie-tca> As for the PowerPC port, unless we get testers for it, we will not be producing the release milestones, thus it will not release as 11.04
[19:50] <charlie-tca> I am willing to allow the dailies until next month, when we should discuss continuing this too.
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Any questions or comments on this?
[19:51] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2
[19:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  Updates for Xubuntu 10.04.2
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Since we have many updates to 10.04 when it is installed, I want to publish the .2 image
[19:52] <charlie-tca> This will allow us to get the changes in and save those installing it some bandwidth.
[19:52] <charlie-tca> We know not all places have the fastest thing going, and unlimited downloads available.
[19:53] <beardygnome> that seems like a good idea
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe we can even get the docs in it updated before the release?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: do we need to SRU the documentation?
[19:54] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: : do we need to SRU the documentation?
[19:54] <micahg> Major Mozilla updates are Firefox 3.6 has Out of process plugins for flash now and Thunderbird will be 3.1.x
[19:55] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Are people still working on 10.04 documentation?
[19:55] <charlie-tca> Book_em_Dano: is trying to update it
[19:55] <charlie-tca> It will be around for another 2 years +
[19:56] <cody-somerville> Is the 10.04 documentation translated?
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I don't believe so, since it is still 9.10 docs
[19:58] <Book_em_Dano> when is the cutoff date to allow updates to be available for 10.04.2?
[19:59] <micahg> Book_em_Dano: probably the beginning of February
[19:59] <charlie-tca> the release is scheduled for February 17, so probably February 10
[20:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, they should be in a week before so they can have proper verification before the images are made
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Yeah? So plan for the 1st of February?
[20:01] <Book_em_Dano> I should be able to revise the docs for lucid by that time
[20:01] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^
[20:01] <micahg> Feb 7 would probably be the last day to sanely get something in, but that's really last minute
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:02] <Book_em_Dano> alright
[20:02] <charlie-tca> Moving on, then, since we need to wrap up,
[20:03] <micahg> BTW, that date is uploaded, not verified :)
[20:03] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Governance
[20:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Governance
[20:03] <charlie-tca> micahg: can you find out for us?
[20:03] <micahg> charlie-tca: find out what?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> what the actual cutoff date is on getting things in for .2?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Not necessarily today, but ...
[20:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: sure, but I would imagine CDs start spinning the Tuesday before release, so you want to have everything uploaded by the Monday before that to give 1 week in -proposed
[20:05] <charlie-tca> that makes sense.
[20:05] <micahg> that's why I said last sane date to upload is Feb 7
[20:06] <charlie-tca> As far as governance, nominations for Project Lead are due by  Dec 15. Please send nominations in to the Community Council
[20:06] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html
[20:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2010-November/007614.html
[20:06] <micahg> charlie-tca: sorry, I will do that tomorrow
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Done
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I was nominated by j1mc for Project Lead, and will accept that nomination.
[20:07] <micahg> charlie-tca: oh, so I don't have to nominate?
[20:07] <charlie-tca> micahg: correct
[20:08]  * micahg will thanks j1mc later :)
[20:08] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Any other comments/questions on governance3?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any other business?
[20:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Open floor
[20:09] <charlie-tca> going...
[20:09] <micahg> Thunderbird will be moving to 3.1.x very soon
[20:09] <charlie-tca> going....
[20:09] <micahg> in Lucid
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[20:10] <charlie-tca> We need anyone that can to test the latest thunderbird, too, right?
[20:10] <micahg> so, if anyone wants to test, it's staged in the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA
[20:10] <cody-somerville> Speaking of Project Governance
[20:10] <micahg> but that will probably get pushed out today or tomorrow
[20:10] <beardygnome> test it on lucid or test it full stop?
[20:10] <micahg> beardygnome: just lucid, we shipped maverick with it
[20:10] <jdstrand> micahg: please keep me posted on tbird testing. I am doing it myself as we speak
[20:11] <cody-somerville> I thought charlie-tca was affirmed as the project leader - not just as an interim - already. Am I mistaken?
[20:11] <beardygnome> micahg: ok, thanks
[20:11] <micahg> jdstrand: ok, no new news, release date is supposed to be today for 3.1.7
[20:11] <charlie-tca> I hadn't seen that.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: we never got a vote setup, did we?
[20:12]  * charlie-tca steps back so others can discuss this
[20:13] <cody-somerville> I'm pretty sure we affirmed you, charlie-tca, as the project leader in a community meeting.
[20:13] <cody-somerville> So unless its been three release cycles since then, which I don't think it has been, then I think you're good to go.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> hm, anyone else got anything on that one?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> It's been one cycle, but I did not think it was confirmed
[20:14] <beardygnome> i think you're doing a great job charlie-tca, i was going to vote for you anyway :-)
[20:14] <charlie-tca> thus the call for nominations
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I think we press on with the nominations and CC involvement now
[20:16] <charlie-tca> I really do appreciate the support, though.
[20:16] <charlie-tca> any more comments?
[20:17] <charlie-tca> We will meet again in one week, December 16, here, at 19:00 UTC
[20:17] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[20:17] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:17.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for being here!
[20:17] <beardygnome> i can't make next week's meeting charlie-tca
[20:18] <beardygnome> will there be one on dec 23?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Okay, we will keep good notes.
[20:18] <Book_em_Dano> Are these meetings archived anywhere?
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I don't think we will, with Christmas so close. Let's go for the 30th, though
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Book_em_Dano: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[20:19] <charlie-tca> archives at the bottom
[20:19] <beardygnome> ok - i'll have my vm running alpha1 then and hopefully will have gone through some of the documentation too
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Great!
[20:20] <charlie-tca> i just hope these serve more purpose than me just blabbering...
[20:21] <beardygnome> yeah, they do. sounds like we're progressing well with natty
[20:22] <charlie-tca> the intent was to try and keep us all informed.
[20:22] <beardygnome> one question for you charlie-tca - what does SRU stand for? :-)
[20:22] <charlie-tca> Stable Release Update
[20:22] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[20:23] <beardygnome> ty
[20:28] <boinkboink1>  /part