[01:32] <Pici> Hes just as random in PM.
[01:43] <Pici> Heads up. People asking about LOIC or payback should probably be directed at !illegal
[02:10] <Pici> ;)
[02:10] <maco> Pici: we double banned!
[02:12] <Jordan_U> We ops have to ban together.
[02:12] <IdleOne> ha
[02:13]  * maco snorts
[02:13]  * Pici groans
[02:14] <IdleOne> punny, vewwy vewwy punny.
[02:16] <rww> So much lag >.>
[02:17] <Jordan_U> rww: Using irssi through ssh?
[02:17] <rww> Jordan_U: on a crap connection, yes.
[02:17]  * Pici sighs
[02:20] <Pici> rww: That was someone who wasn't happy with me banning them earlier in -server
[02:20] <Pici> or ignoring their wildly random private messages
[02:20] <rww> Pici: iirc, they've PMed me for support before and I told them not to :\
[02:21] <Pici> rww: not BitEncrypt, the person before that.
[02:21] <Pici> And people do that to me all the time. :(
[02:22] <rww> The person before that was connecting from dialup.ice.net. I personally suspect there's one troll on a dynamic IP that gets bored every so often.
[02:55] <Jordan_U> Chase doesn't have Ubuntu (confirmed in PM, just jolicloud), so it doesn't make much sense to unquiet him in #ubuntu but at the same time I'm not sure this deserves a ban. Any suggestions for the best course of action?
[02:55] <IdleOne> does he show intentions of sticking to support
[02:55] <IdleOne> ?
[02:56] <IdleOne> /follwing guidelines
[02:56] <IdleOne> following*
[02:56] <IdleOne> if not leave him +q and he will get bored and leave
[02:57] <Jordan_U> IdleOne: It seems odd to ask since he doesn't have Ubuntu and doesn't appear at least to want to provide support rather than get it. But I guess I should ask anyway as a formality, right?
[02:58] <IdleOne> inform of the channel guidelines and ask if he is willing to follow them if not you will have no choice but to leave him muted
[02:58] <IdleOne> off topic is disruptive to those who are here for support.....
[04:56] <Myrtti> I still think that making wubi a supported method of installation was a bad idea
[05:15] <mneptok> And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Thou shalt not cause one operating system to lie with another: it is profane in the sight of the Lord. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down ...
[05:15] <mneptok> ... thereto: it is confusion.  Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. - Leviticus 18:21-26
[05:17] <IdleOne> is that the KJ version?
[05:18] <mneptok> yes. little known fact ... members of King James' court were early MBR developers.
[05:19] <mneptok> you get what you pay for with translations.
[05:23] <mneptok> wait ... did i just call MBR developers homophobes? i didn't mean to.
[05:23] <IdleOne> you been drinking?
[05:24] <mneptok> nope.
[05:24] <mneptok> this is me sober.
[05:24] <IdleOne> hey we got 32cm of snow here.
[05:24] <mneptok> one storm?
[05:24] <IdleOne> not a storm flurries over a couple days
[05:25] <IdleOne> s/storm/storm,/
[05:25] <mneptok> still pretty good, by .qc standards
[05:25] <mneptok> if that happened here the city would be paralyzed.
[05:25] <IdleOne> yeah, we are still getting a few cm over the next few days
[05:26] <mneptok> i think we have a total of 4 snow plows. all ox-drawn.
[05:26] <Myrtti> I, btw, have no idea how I can be relatively awake at this hour
[05:27] <IdleOne> naps
[05:28] <IdleOne> mneptok: want me to take some pics of plows and post them for you?
[05:29]  * tonyyarusso ships a few feet of snow down to mneptok, could use the giggles
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> Snow plow with all the fixin's:  http://www.dot.state.mn.us/d3/newsrels/08/12/Picture059.jpg
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> Common reason to be late for work:  http://www.winterweather.state.mn.us/images/Plow_stay_back.jpg
[05:35] <Myrtti> errrrr https://launchpad.net/perfectbuntu ???
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> And this is why we love Google Image Search:  http://www.comixconnection.com/uploaded_images/DeerDeepSnow3-723533.jpg
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: this surprises you?
[05:39] <Myrtti> has anyone looked at any version of "perfectbuntu"?
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> First I've heard of it.
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> $10 says it's crap like all the rest though.
[05:41] <Myrtti> good grief I'm tired
[06:13]  * rww opens page, reads, "A handy bash script" and "Installs things", facepalms and closes page
[06:14] <Myrtti> does anyone have enough brian activity to tell cliff__ to tone down in a way that he'd perhaps understand it? I can't think of anything
[06:15] <Myrtti> too late
[06:17] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: It'a amazing how much more brain activity it takes to op than to give support.
[06:17] <rww> Opping seems so much harder when you're actually an op :[
[06:18] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: it's the effort of not resorting to "OY SHUT UP YOU NIMWITS AND STICK TO THE TOPIC" and being civil that takes the majority of brain CPU for me sometimes
[06:24] <IdleOne> I think we need to add "OY SHUT UP YOU NIMWITS AND STICK TO THE TOPIC" to the topic in #u
[06:24] <IdleOne> and -ot
[06:25] <IdleOne> wait, -ot has no "topic"
[06:27] <rww> Sure it does. Tomorrow's topic is "What is your favourite spelling of "favorite"?"
[06:27] <rww> I am so droll.
[06:28] <IdleOne> haha
[06:28] <IdleOne> I like that
[06:30] <rww> Oh, also, I'm keeping track of +e in #ubuntu and copying ones that aren't removed properly by FloodBots to LjL. So if anyone else tends to remove stale +e entries, take a vacation on that for a little while :)
[06:31] <IdleOne> you got it
[06:57] <Myrtti> rww: banforward? ;-)
[06:57] <rww> Myrtti: can't, -cn isn't +F
[06:57] <rww> That was my thought though, yes.
[06:57] <Myrtti> awww
[06:58] <rww> Relatedly, "Continuing to speak in another language: kick+forward to loco channel" ~ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuidelines is neither common practice nor generally possible. Someone want to update it with what's generally actually done? (+q? I don't know.)
[07:02] <Flannel> rww: We try and do that when possible, only after it's apparent they won't get the picture.  Otherwise, you just have to stop them from disrupting #u
[07:03] <Flannel> (and when doing that, you kick, not remove, so any auto-rejoin scripts trigger and rejoin them... to their language channel)
[07:03] <Flannel> But only rarely does it get to that point
[07:07] <Myrtti> he seems not to get the point
[07:07] <Flannel> rww: something else you can try is to join [language channel] and ask someone to join #u and "fly them in"
[07:09] <rww> hrm. could banforward them to -irc and try there. less disruptive.
[07:11]  * rww facepalms
[07:18] <rww> or #ubuntu-hk, which has ops on ubuntu member cloak. That might work
[07:19] <rww> s/hk/tw/
[07:24] <rww> alrighty, now they're there. let's see what happens.
[07:28] <rww> ... someone said /join #ubuntu-cn and they /quit. roflfacepalm
[08:25] <rww> http://rww.name/arvut.txt :|
[08:44] <jussi> rww: have you had a word?
[08:48] <rww> I said something along the lines of it not being a good idea last month when he was doing it a few times a day. If he starts up again, I guess I'll have to be more pointed about it.
[09:01] <mneptok> @login
[10:16] <Jordan_U> So much misinformation in #ubuntu, too tired to correct all of it...
[10:23] <cdbs> Jordan_U: :(
[10:26] <cdbs> Channel keeping, especially #ubuntu, involvs the use of eagle eyes :)
[10:27] <cdbs> yesterday someone flooded, and no one noticed that someone in between the flood lines had also said the f word in a bad context
[10:27] <cdbs> had to /kb
[10:27] <cdbs> around 3 minutes after the flood :(
[10:29] <jussi> cdbs: did you talk to the person first?  generally its better to have a chat with them before kicking/banning, especially if they are not continually doing it.
[10:29] <cdbs> jussi: his exact sentence was: 'fuck you all and Ubuntu' or something similar
[10:30] <cdbs> I remember having seen Pici kb a person for saying: Ubuntu f***ing sucks on #ubuntu
[10:30] <cdbs> around a month ago
[10:32] <jussi> cdbs: ahh, a remove in the first instance is best there - they dont usually come back. If is just someone getting grumbly because somethign doesnt work, having a quick pm about their language can be helpful
[10:32] <cdbs> jussi: as I said, that was his first sentence. okay, will take care of it from the next time onwards
[10:48] <maco> jussi: could you look at the logs from #ubuntu-us-dc the last couple days and tell me if you also find this new visitor a bit odd?
[10:50] <jussi> maco: link?
[10:50] <jussi> (Im on limited time
[10:50] <jussi> )
[10:51] <Myrtti> he is
[10:51] <Myrtti> also probably in early teens
[10:51] <maco> http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/free/2010/12/09/%23ubuntu-us-dc.html
[10:52] <maco> has been joining and just asks for people to talk on skype every time, today with a "so what are you wearing?" which really O_o
[10:53] <Myrtti> perhaps you need to really spell it out for him, although the channel is quite low traffic to serve as a training place for irc etiquette
[10:54] <maco> can locobots do the ubottu factoids?
[10:54] <maco> like, can i call !guidelines in there?
[10:54] <cdbs> maco: yup
[10:55] <cdbs> maco: loco bots are synced every 24 hours
[10:55] <maco> ok
[10:55] <cdbs> I mean, their factoid DB is synced
[10:55] <cdbs> maco: Which loco team are you in?
[10:55] <maco> dc
[10:55] <maco> and soon to be pa
[10:56] <cdbs> :o
[10:56] <cdbs> Us teams :)
[10:57] <maco> yes
[11:04] <jpds> maco: Call their bluff.
[11:55] <Myrtti> oh lord
[11:57] <Myrtti> actually, now that I think of it
[11:59] <Myrtti> he was banevading.
[12:12] <Myrtti> is chouchou cheating on a test or what is he asking?
[12:15] <Tm_T> something like that it seems
[12:15] <jussi> ubuntu tweak... is that yeat another automatix clone? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641474 :(
[12:16] <Myrtti> jussi: you're out of touch, my friend
[12:16] <Myrtti> ubuntu tweak was the helper app that was discussed before I had my hiatus and popey had talked to the developer
[12:16] <jussi> Myrtti: no, just confused, I never remember all the different ones
[12:16] <Myrtti> the semilegitimate one
[12:17] <jussi> oh. so it doesnt have --force-yes ?
[12:17] <Tm_T> keeps messing things up though, AFAIR
[12:18] <Myrtti> I'd be more worried about Perfectbuntu 5
[12:18] <Tm_T> well that's the name I haven't heard of
[12:18] <Tm_T> s/the/a/ possibly
[12:19] <Myrtti> I heard about it yesterday
[12:19] <Myrtti> or day before
[12:20] <Myrtti> "Is Ubuntu simple enough for newbies? Honestly, I think it is, but with the disclaimer that having a managed solution using Ubuntu is always going to be “easier”. That being said, take one solution picking up where Automatix and EasyUbuntu left off. This solution is a bash script called Perfectbuntu."
[12:24] <Myrtti> sudo apt-get -y -m install ubuntu-desktop
[12:24] <Myrtti> :-|
[12:25] <jussi> another one....
[12:26] <Myrtti> # Install gksudo (which is required to run Perfectbuntu 5.0+ on KDE)
[12:26] <Myrtti> 	echo -n "gksudo was not found, trying to install gksudo." >> $LOGFILE
[12:26] <Myrtti> 	kdesudo --comment "$GKMSG" "apt-get --force-yes -y -f -m install gksu"
[12:27] <Myrtti> BRILLIANT
[12:29] <Tm_T> aaand why they cannot use kdesudo then? (:
[12:30] <Tm_T> not to mention, installing gksu, not gksudo
[12:30] <Myrtti> apt-get --force-yes -y -f -m -q install "w64codecs"
[12:31] <Myrtti> "merry christmas"
[12:35] <Myrtti> popey: wth, that website has Ubuntu UK podcast logo on the bottom
[12:36] <Myrtti> "Perfectbuntu is mainly programmed by Robbie Ferguson of Category5 Technology TV."
[12:56] <Pici> Ugh. Has that person never heard of doing functions in bash?
[12:57] <Pici> Besides the fact that its bound to break your system, its a great example of what not to do programmatically. DRY please.
[14:29] <Pici> slow today.
[15:07] <LjL> Grumpici
[15:08] <IdleOne> Morning :/
[15:08]  * IdleOne sips coffee and deletes emails
[15:13] <topyli> perfectubuntu? do we need another factoid?
[15:13] <topyli> "just say no"
[15:14] <LjL> topyli: you seen my repo?
[15:15] <topyli> LjL: i took alook with a browser when whe last talked about it
[15:16] <LjL> topyli: ah but that was just a test, and it didn't work from F-Droid. now it's public, and has 150 programs compiled. http://ljl.byethost24.com/fdroid
[15:16] <topyli> great!
[15:17] <LjL> topyli: you will need to upgrade F-Droid to the latest version to use it, though (but it also has a web interface)
[15:17] <LjL> topyli: the bug where it crashed after installing apps was also fixed
[15:18] <LjL> meh, i'm really haunted by this GoPro camera
[15:19] <LjL> since i visited their website, to give it as a present to a friend, now every single ad i see on the web is about it
[15:19] <topyli> :)
[15:19] <LjL> wait
[15:19] <LjL> this is not #Ubuntu-offtopic is it?
[15:19]  * LjL blushes
[15:19] <topyli> nope :)
[15:30] <LjL> !googleearth
[15:31] <IdleOne> just added the link to wiki, wiki has been edited.
[15:31] <LjL> oh if there's a wiki, i'd make it more prominent, like this
[15:31] <IdleOne> google-earth package is available in all supported version in multiverse
[15:31] <IdleOne> errr googleearth-package
[15:32] <LjL> !no googleearth is <reply> Google Earth is available as the package "googleearth-package" in !Multiverse. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth
[15:32] <IdleOne> LjL: looks good to me
[15:33] <IdleOne> left the old medibuntu stuff there for posterity
[15:33] <IdleOne> on the wiki
[15:33] <LjL> myself i'm not too happy with Multiverse adding such entirely closed source packages :\
[15:34] <IdleOne> LjL: our is not to judge lest ye be judged ourselves.
[15:34] <IdleOne> ours*
[15:34] <IdleOne> I like that things work. I am not so concerned for open/closed source
[15:35] <IdleOne> now, all we need is someone to add it to the bot.
[15:36] <Pici> !no googleearth is <reply> Google Earth is available as the package "googleearth-package" in !Multiverse. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth
[15:36] <IdleOne> Thank you
[15:36] <Pici> no
[15:36] <Pici> problem
[15:38] <IdleOne> is it just me or when someone asks how to edit source list, you want to know what/why?
[15:38] <Pici> Its not just you.
[15:39] <IdleOne> So when people just give the answer without knowing what the user is going to do :/
[15:50] <IdleOne> Let's just keep pointing people to download debs instead of making it easy for them with a recommended and supported way
[15:51] <IdleOne> errr I need more coffee
[17:01] <charlie-tca> how do I put a ban in after they ran off?
 sup bitches, can I ask teh questionz on herz?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> * some1 (625506b5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.85.6.181) has left #xubuntu ("I do have a bigger one")
[17:02] <IdleOne> /mode +b *!*@98.85.6.181
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[17:03] <IdleOne> but they seem to be the same user using proxies. probably won't stop them from getting back in.
[17:03] <charlie-tca> I see. Well, worth trying, I hope
[17:03] <IdleOne> yup
[17:09] <IdleOne> I don't think you even need to set the bans, looks like they got bored and left, they haven't returned
[17:09] <IdleOne> up to you
[17:09] <IdleOne> :)
[17:10] <charlie-tca> Hoping they stay away. But we seeing more of this for some reason
[17:47] <IdleOne> false alarm
[17:47] <IdleOne> I jumped to quick
[20:22] <IdleOne> yay in spanish too
[20:47] <IdleOne> should we change the link in !samba from https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html to https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html?
[20:47] <Pici> I've left all the serverguide links point to the LTS.
[20:47] <Tm_T> how much they differ?
[20:49] <IdleOne> Tm_T: I don't think they differ at all
[20:49] <IdleOne> but ok leave at LTS
[20:49] <IdleOne> probably better anyway
[20:49] <Tm_T> better especially if they shouldn't differ that much
[20:50] <IdleOne> yeah I didn't check but I doubt there was that much change in server from 10.04 to 10.10