=== ChrisB_ is now known as Guest66012 [06:42] morning :) [06:42] good morning screen-x :) [06:42] \o jacobw [06:42] another early person! [06:43] buses to catch.. [06:44] i'd better get used to it, i've to got to start work at 7.30 next year [06:44] ouch [06:45] I'm sharing lifts with my wife who's doing early shifts, so I'm at my desk rather early.. [06:45] you're already there ? :o [06:45] yah [06:45] is there a coffee machine ? :p [06:46] no, but I have a good supply of fruit tea :D [06:46] hmm yum [06:48] no o2 service here at the moment, normally its full HSPA [07:37] morning all [08:06] morning [08:06] AlanBell: morning [08:07] morning all. [08:10] good moaning [08:10] morning [08:14] hi guys, do you know of any good linux admin jobs, preferably ubuntu related, ideally on the outskirts of london? [08:20] rooks: All the DCs are in the City/Docklands. [08:25] jpds, any idea on how is job market regarding linux jobs around london? are there many good jobs, or are there lot of 'we only officially need linux admin for clusters, but you will also replace toner cartridges' around? [08:27] rooks: No, but you're likely to find something on the Guardian or such. [08:30] k, thx. [08:30] rooks: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs [08:35] yay, thanks [08:48] morning all [08:48] morning popey [08:56] weird, my x session seems to be on vt8 [09:05] Morning [09:05] \o daubers [09:08] Morning [09:15] hiya folks [09:16] screen-x: wierd indeed, sounds like it started a 2nd one [09:18] dwatkins: I did kill and restart gdm, but I expected it to restart on vt7. [09:18] as would I, but perhaps it hadn't properly finished when the new session started [09:18] that is a possibility [09:25] * daubers considers moving his laptop to matty [09:25] s/matty/natty [09:27] They still rebuilding python? [09:28] Shoudl prolly wait till that's done [09:29] That sounds substantially less exciting [09:29] Why should WP not allow automatic upgrades when I'm using NAT? [09:30] WP = wordpress? [09:30] Yus [09:30] PitA [09:31] I've no idea. I've never had a situation where WP's automatic upgrade works [09:31] Heh [09:31] wget,unzip,mv has always worked for me, though [09:31] It works if it's a direct connection [09:42] hey guys - is there a graphic equaliser plugin for pulse on ubuntu [09:42] to adjust freqs [09:48] Hi. [09:49] Anyone experienced the flood of "bad flagvector" warnings when starting applications (happened for OOo, pidgin, emacs, spellchecker) in 10.10? [09:51] imexil, whare would I see "bad flagvector" [09:51] where [09:51] I'm enjoying ipv6 :) [09:52] in my case: I start pidgin in the terminal [09:52] hi folks [09:52] howdy [09:52] UndiFineD: or simpler just start $hunspell [09:52] or aspell does the same "trick" [09:53] andylockran: Other than gb.archive.u.c, have you found any other hosts enabled? [09:53] no sorry imexil [09:54] no warnings for me [09:54] strange [09:54] OK so at least it seems to have to do with my setip [09:54] setup [09:54] that helps already [09:54] I need to remote control anotrher ubuntu machine. I dont have access to the machine, I can easily instruct the other user to enable remote desktop, but I dont think i can easily get them to enable port forwarding on their router [09:54] is there a simpler solution, like logmein for ubuntu? [09:55] imexil, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gedit/+bug/583911 [09:55] yes thatis the one I found. But the "workarounds" there didn't apply in my case [09:56] i.e., I didn't have that dictionary installed but still got all those warnings [09:56] "It seems that myspell-en-za is the culprit" [09:57] Yes but as I said, I don't have that dict (actually non of the myspell packages installed) [09:57] I'm going to remove all spell packages and see what that brings [09:58] oops, turns out I DO have that package ... strange I thought I checked that before ;) [09:58] j0nr: have a look at gitso [09:59] hehe imexil [10:00] j0nr: I use Teamviewer which is free for personal use and works cross platform like a charm. No setup required (like for gitso where you still need a ssh tunnel to get to the remote machine) [10:06] popey: what's up? [10:10] * kazade thinks Ubuntu should have a Nintendo Mii -style avatar system [10:10] morning all [10:12] kazade: meego will probably have that [10:12] http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1338 [10:15] ali1234, The reason I mention it is that I'm writing a multiplayer game, and it would be nice to be able to select an avatar for each player [10:15] morning all o/ [10:15] I think I'll code it in by using the /home/user/.face avatars [10:17] jpds: I've accessed ipv6.google.com :) [10:18] jpds: and just waitng for my dns server to update as I've set my homepage to be ipv6 capable :p [10:20] UndiFineD: OK looks like it that bug was the right indicator after all. The myspell dictionary for Norwegian is also broke / brakes any application that uses spell check [10:21] ok, so no more errors now ? [10:23] no. since my language environment is set to no_XX any application having to do with some spell checking (ooo, editors, pidgin would have raised the flagvector errors) [10:24] hmm, just had a succession of emails from twitter about new spam followers, all "female" , with only a first name given. odd. [10:24] * Ng hrms at gnome's add printer dialog not showing printers that cups is broadcast advertising on the network [10:24] Ng: Hmm. [10:25] jpds: it sees the Xerox itself advertising itself, but not the queues in cups, very odd [10:25] and really quite unhelpful! [10:26] :( Just found out my car isn't coming for another 3 days [10:28] UndiFineD: OK bug reporting time then :) [10:28] :D [10:47] * daubers realises some of his functions have too many exit points :( [10:51] Ubuntu-UK podcast time \o/ [10:59] imexil: does teamviewer work ubuntu to ubuntu [11:00] ? [11:00] imexil: I looked at their site and there only seems to be a download for the viewer... what needs to be on the remote machine? [11:03] j0nr: Yes it does [11:14] j0nr: the same software [11:14] the linux version is bundles with the WINE libraries, its not a native app [11:14] Mez: not your mirror :) [11:14] JonTheNiceGuy: hullo! [11:15] Hi Popey :) [11:15] Just listened to the latest UUPC [11:15] Has anyone bothered you yet about phone clients for Identi.ca? [11:15] (ps. hi all :) ) [11:16] morning all [11:17] davmor2: morning [11:17] JonTheNiceGuy: no [11:17] JonTheNiceGuy: I have tried all of the ones available, they all suck [11:17] without exception [11:17] Have you tried Mustard recently? [11:17] mustard for iphone? [11:17] Ohhhh [11:17] I forgot you were a freedom hater ;) [11:17] * davmor2 pins a notice to czajkowski back that says she now lives in England not the UK [11:17] indeed [11:17] Hmmm [11:18] davmor2: she'll learn [11:18] How can you live in England but not in the UK? [11:18] Is czajkowski UK based now? :) [11:18] indeed [11:18] JonTheNiceGuy: yes [11:18] Oooooo [11:18] Or am I missing the beginning of a joke? [11:18] :D [11:18] for addressing purposes i't "UK" not "England" [11:18] *it's [11:18] JonTheNiceGuy: yeah, she lives just round the corner from me [11:19] Nice :D [11:19] MooDoo: czajkowski Irish so you have to give her some leeway [11:19] I guess ;) [11:19] heh [11:19] davmor2: well i suppose a little..... [11:19] popey: oops [11:19] JonTheNiceGuy: there also isnt a decent ipad identica client [11:19] i wrote "England" on holiday card envelopes [11:19] popey: your might be my international letter read ENGLAND and they get to me [11:19] maco: not like it wont get here [11:19] because i also wrote "Scotland" on the one for scotland... [11:19] davmor2: yeah, it works, but post codes are UK postcodes not England post codes [11:20] I am merely asserting that you're wrong in saying that czajkowski is wrong :) [11:21] popey: czajkowski is always wrong ;) [11:21] * screen-x stands well back [11:21] i think we need a new #blameczajkowski [11:23] popey: Thats because the post code service cover Scotland and Wales as well as England, My postal Country is still England, England is where I live, it is the rugby, football team I support in international competitions, and is written on my Birth Certificate. Oh and I'm English not UKish :P [11:24] No, you're british [11:24] no matter what you think [11:24] i want to be english.... [11:25] you can call yourself whatever you like, I doubt anyone cares :) [11:26] JonTheNiceGuy: yup moved over here 5 weeks ago [11:26] davmor2: MooDoo too busy to deal with ye two today. [11:26] * maco is jealous [11:26] maco: ? [11:27] im in the states. i wanna move to the uk too! [11:27] maco: why? lol [11:27] why? [11:27] haha are you two reading each others' minds? [11:27] lol it happens [11:27] yeah, we are one [11:28] have wanted to since i visited 10 years ago [11:28] popey: London is the capital city of what country? [11:28] maco: i'm the same about the states :D [11:28] popey: then what ? [11:28] Mez: your mirror is down [11:28] 7 years back luck [11:28] bad* [11:28] popey: no, it's not - Daviey's lazy :) [11:28] heh [11:29] * BigRedS boots into natty [11:29] popey: IP has changed. 66->97 [11:29] popey: but the new place has everything awaiting and ready to be set up [11:29] MooDoo: if you can afford it, dc is a great place to live. can walk most places and good public transit (northern virginia's buses seem to be always on time. dc's can run a bit behind, but at every-8-minutes intervals they cant get too far off) [11:29] Mez: Ah, yes... your old mirror is the one you FAILED to upgrade between releases, so threw it away? [11:30] Daviey: I didn't fail - the memory limit failed :D [11:30] OOM on an upgrade is painful :) [11:30] maco: well i went to NYC and loved it, SF within a couple of years i hope [11:30] is your vps a 16K spectrum? [11:30] I know it's oversaid, but I can really see where the "it's an OSX copy" comments come from [11:30] lol [11:30] Heh [11:30] popey: yes. [11:30] MooDoo: the bits round the edge of the USA are nice [11:30] popey: like Canada? [11:30] http://popey.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc webcamtastic [11:30] hahah Daviey [11:30] Mexico [11:30] cuba [11:30] Cuba [11:30] :S [11:30] :P [11:30] argh [11:30] popefever [11:31] andylockran: you are starstruck by the presence of popey? [11:31] http://popey.blip.tv/file/4483981/ boringcam is boring [11:31] there's one place in the US thats inland that i would recommend to outdoors-lovers: Denver [11:31] easy access to beautiful mountains and canyons for all the hiking, skiing, and biking you want [11:32] i read canyons as crayons [11:32] haha [11:32] * screen-x plays John Denver [11:32] We should all go hiuking in a crayon. [11:32] Skitt's Law :) [11:32] * Mez bagsies Electric Lime [11:34] BigRedS: hadn't seen that before. [11:34] screen-x: Ah, I fall prey to it approximately fortnightly :( [11:34] denver is a little oasis of liberal-by-usa-standards (which, from what i understand is about equiv to tories, but anyway...) in the middle of the us [11:34] heh [11:34] the whole 'liberal/socialism is bad' skit in the USA has is quite odd [11:35] i was talking to Riddell once and asked what party there would be where my mum would fit, and he said there isnt one [11:35] BigRedS: most of my irc lines contain typos! [11:36] i was like "but one of them is named conservative. what about them? or the bnp?" and Riddell said the tories are like the democrats and i went O_O === njpatel is now known as njpatel_ [11:36] (yes, i know what the bnp is known for...) [11:36] maco, There was a "answer these questions to see which party you'd vote for" thing online a while back. [11:36] oh yeah [11:37] i attempted to go through the Political Compass thing answering how i thought she would [11:37] there were a few, I could never get two of them to agree for me [11:37] :D [11:37] I should've voted for some spread of Tory, Labour, Green and BNP IIRC [11:37] BigRedS, I always wondered whether some of them had a particular slant :) [11:37] JonTheNiceGuy: The Torygraph one wanted me to vote Labour, which I found peculiar [11:37] :D [11:38] heh i was asked the other day "and just WHY are you reading the torygraph, hmm?" ...first id ever heard that. i answered "because google said so" (it was just a weather report) [11:39] * BigRedS wants tab-completion for his aliases [11:39] * screen-x wants telepathic sentence completion [11:39] wahhh politicalcompass.com is now domain name squatted [11:39] maco: .org I thought it was? [11:40] oh [11:40] BigRedS: I have tab-complete for aliases in BSD's bash [11:40] That'd be because it's .org ;) [11:40] rearrange those words into a coherent sentence :) [11:40] BigRedS: you win [11:40] BigRedS is yoda channelling, he is. [11:40] s/he is/they are/ [11:40] GNU bash, version 3.2.39, BigRedS [11:40] (Gender non-specific... sorry) [11:41] dwatkins: I'm on Linux's zsh... [11:41] BigRedS: that would be why, then [11:41] JonTheNiceGuy: ah, I wondered if i'd become a plural :) [11:41] JonTheNiceGuy: I'm pretty sure the cookie monster is male [11:41] * maco blinks at the movement of Labour over time on http://politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010 [11:42] maco: Nationalist Fascism's where it's at apparently [11:42] and, yeah, I am male, But I don't mind being plural :) [11:43] BigRedS, Good to know, for the future D: [11:43] :D even [11:43] Oooh, snow [11:43] DAMN YOU KEYBOARD! KNOW WHICH KEYS I'M TRYING TO PRESS AND THE ORDER I MEANT TO PRESS THEM IN!! [11:43] :) [11:44] I'd skip the keyboard step, really. Just have your IRC client know the meaning you intend to get across [11:44] My only worry is at, like, 2am [11:44] Though I think zsh tab-completing aliases is more likely to happen :) [11:44] and then... *shudder* [11:46] BigRedS: all the major candidates in the us 2008 chart are in that quadrant too though. except the one i voted for..because i didnt vote major party [11:53] Somewhat interestingly, I just re-did my political compass survey, and I'm in about the same place as The Dalai Lama :) [11:53] <_H> hi this is urgent: ubuntu desktop and push email how? [11:54] _H: push = imap idle, or exchange? [11:55] not that urgent then ;) [11:56] <_H> I don't know [11:56] _H what do you have so far? [11:56] JonTheNiceGuy: thats where i am [11:56] _H: What do you mean by "push email"? [11:57] <_H> usually used via iphone or blackberry [11:57] _H what's the domain name for the e-mail provider? [11:57] iphones are capable of both those types. [11:57] Or is it business use? [11:57] <_H> edinburgh.gov.uk [11:57] _H: then in that sense, push email is simply a mobile telephone service. [11:57] Probably exchange then. [11:58] <_H> mail.edinburgh.gov.uk [11:58] _H: So, I don't think the push bit here is relevant. You just need to access your email [11:58] owa, definitely outlook.. [12:00] _H: depends how your exchange server is setup, you can probalby use any imap client, but I think evolution has some capability for talking to exchange natively. [12:01] screen-x, I think it used to be called the Ximian Connector [12:02] _H: can you not just use the web-interface? [12:03] screen-x: MS produced a whole load of bumpf aimed at Exchange admins explaining how IMAP was inherently insecure and should be disabled on Exchange servers. I don't know how many fell for it, but most Exchange servers I've seen don't do IMAP. [12:04] If they're expecting everyone to connect from Outlook or an iPhone, they don't need to [12:04] BigRedSs: :( [12:04] _H: Evolution can connect to an Exchange server given only the OWA address. If you can - and it appears you can - then Evolution can connect fine. [12:04] <_H> you lost me at "Exchange server given only the OWA address. If you can - and it appears you can - then Evolution can connect fine." [12:04] _H: OWA = Outlook Web Access [12:05] Ah. [12:05] The webmail interface to Exchange [12:05] If you try to set up an account in Evo of type "exchange", it will ask for the webmail interface address. [12:07] does anyone know of a simple graphical utility that is equivalent to the "mail" command for reading email? [12:08] kazade, How simple are you talking about? Could you not start mail in an xterm window? [12:08] I have a server with a LOT of unread email and I can't figure out how to use the "mail" command to quickly read it all [12:08] kazade: mutt [12:09] You can point most graphical mail clients at a Maildir or mbox file, if that's what you're after? [12:09] its not very graphical, but its great for mass processing mail. [12:09] screen-x, perfect thanks [12:10] BigRedS, I wanted something really lightweight, but less lightweight than "mail" :) === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [12:11] popey: what does your Joggler run? [12:12] whatever I put on the usb stick :0 [12:12] What have you liked so far? [12:13] And does one need a usb hub to add a keyboard, or is the onscreen one enough? [12:13] new joggler distribution (related to ubuntu so not completely offtopic) http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/jolicloud/ ;-) [12:13] bigcalm, keyboard is useful. can get some nice small wireless ones that work well [12:14] im using a laptop size one [12:14] you can get much smaller/compact though [12:14] onscreen keyboard is ok if you dont want to do much customisation etc and just do basic stuff [12:15] sorry. wasnt my question. i butted in.. [12:16] kazade: Ah, I thought you might already have a mail client knocking around [12:17] BigRedS, nah, not on this server [12:17] If I send an email to user@host and host is running postfix, should the user receive it - or do I have to configure postfix for that? [12:22] kazade: I think postfix defaults to delivering to ~/Maildir [12:23] I think. It's been a long time since I last saw a default postfix. But it definitely puts mail to existing users somewhere under their ~ [12:35] anyone know much about reverse dns? [12:35] kazade, what are you trying to find out? [12:36] well.. [12:36] kazade: only that it's a pain with cidr [12:36] I've got some domains which are handled by a domain registrar (e.g. using their DNS server) [12:36] and I have a set of servers in a server farm which are allocated a range of ips [12:37] if I want to set up a reverse dns record, do I have to install a DNS server on the machine just to host the PTR record? [12:37] whoever is authoritative for that IP address needs to hold the record [12:37] or delegate it to your DNS server [12:47] BigRedS, if I just set up a DNS server at the ip address that serves a PTR record would that work? [12:48] kazade: no, people would need to know to ask your server for the ptr address [12:48] you need to ask whoever assigned you the IP address to have your server authoritative for that IP address (or possibly block) [12:48] or, more likely, have them slave the records off your machine. Or just set it to whatever you require [12:49] ok , see in the past we had a Win2k dns server running and there were ptr records in there. But we've just moved the records back to the registrar (as we are trying to move to the "cloud") [12:49] just wondering if reverse dns ever worked.. [12:49] it's likely it didn't [12:50] unless the things that needed it were specifically requesting from that 2k server [12:53] BigRedS, ok, thanks - I'm contacting the hosting company [12:54] Anyone know how to setup a slave kdc? I'm attempting to create a stash file with, "kdb5_util stash" which returns "kdb5_util: No such file or directory while initializing database" The obvious response would be create a new database, but I want this to be a slave to an existing master, rather than a new master KDC. [12:54] hey guys - anyone use terminator [12:55] ctrl+shift+F for searching scrollback doesn't appear to work [12:55] I did for a very brief time, then screen with v-splits arrived :D [12:59] \o/ angry birds has released a seasonal special edition - more levels [13:01] any idfea where the option to add a signatgure to an e-mail in thunderbird has now been hidden [13:01] i can't find it [13:03] it's in server setup isn't it? [13:03] somewhere daft like the smtp server config [13:03] edit->account settings->[pick account]->composition [13:04] well that has a tick box to include one [13:04] AlanBell: ping [13:04] found my kdc problem, creating a database != creating a new realm. Slave KDCs need an empty database to store slave data in. [13:06] ok they haver moved it to the account settings bit [13:06] but yeah they have moved it, there is a box to enter your own text under that there is the box to choose a file [13:06] BigRedS, thanks [13:37] oh, it was running [13:39] /j #cyanogenmod [13:40] Mez: Sure. [13:40] ooh, I dind't know there was a channel for that here, thanks Mez [13:40] * dwatkins thought the official cyanogen channel was on another network [13:41] I thought so as well [13:41] * dwatkins notes he has no voice on it [13:41] Nah, it's on here - and I didn't mean to type that here. [13:41] Fail at putting spaces in. [13:41] I'm just hoping that that channel will explode when gingerbread releases :D [13:42] * dwatkins realises he hadn't identified with nickserv and does so [13:42] yeah, most likely it will, Mez [13:42] hence the hilights :D [13:43] * MartijnVdS waits for the official gbread for Nexus One [13:43] MartijnVdS: that's what I'm waiting for too :D [13:43] Mez: I've re-flashed my N1 with the US factory firmware (instead of the EU firmware, which makes you wait for Vodafone to ack updates) [13:43] so I'm on 2.2.1 already now :) [13:44] MartijnVdS: Mine was on EU (non voda) firmware (from Google directly). [13:44] It's currently on cyanogen 6.10 (2.2.1) [13:45] and it'll be going to stock gbread as soon as that's out [13:45] (possibly before - as I get "Press" OTAs) [13:45] I still can't download the google apps with rom manager when selecting 6.1 [13:45] I'm stuck on RC2 forever more [13:46] bigcalm: Known bug - download 6.1 - install, go back into ROM Manager, and download the apps seperately. [13:47] Mez: cheers [13:47] bigcalm: no worries - I did it myself. === njpatel_ is now known as njpatel [13:50] What's so good about stock gingerbread? [13:52] it's stock.. you get OTA updates [13:53] And this is better than Cynaogenmod? [13:54] imho it is [13:54] Cyanogen has WAY too many toggles and switches and bad defaults imho [13:54] Works exceedingly well on my N1 [13:55] oh sure it works.. but the notification bar is al weird (slide down the top bar) [13:55] and it asks for a size when adding widgets (why?!) [13:57] MartijnVdS: does that stock image work on the htc desire? [13:57] danfish: I don't know [13:57] MartijnVdS: it asks for a size, because you can (in theory) change the amount of grid points on your desktop. [13:58] So if you changed it to have 8 columns - you'd probably want a widget that's meant to fill your screen to be 8 wide, not 4 [13:58] it's still annoying :) [13:59] MartijnVdS: I personally use Cyanogen - but I'm quite happy with using Stock aswell (though, There are some tweaks in Cyanogen that make me like it more) [13:59] Mez: as long as it doesn't have Sense... ;) [13:59] I like having different colour notifications for each part of the system [13:59] MartijnVdS: oh, yes. [14:00] MartijnVdS: I will not use a phone that has SenseUI? [14:00] I won't either [14:00] I gave my GF my Wildfire when I renewed my t-mobile contract. The phone is cute but the SenseUI is horrible [14:00] sense is the biggest POS I've seen [14:01] I do like their clock widget though. [14:01] But that's it. [14:01] I don't think my GF will let me mod the phone [14:01] bigcalm: is it your phone? :P [14:01] Technically... [14:02] Mez: women can be picky [14:02] bigcalm: why does she have any say over what's on your phone. [14:02] bigcalm: It'd be like her saying "You have to use Windows" [14:02] Mez: I gave her the phone as I didn't need it [14:02] i like sense [14:03] i like sense ui [14:03] i miss much of sense, using villainrom [14:03] bigcalm: oh, then that's a fair point. [14:03] slow though [14:03] * Mez slaps directhex and Flashtek [14:03] personal preference.. [14:04] Go on guys, run quadrant :D Lets see your scores :D [14:04] what ? [14:04] Quadrant - Android Benchmark :D [14:04] oh, pissing contest.. [14:04] Flashtek: ePeen :D [14:05] lol [14:06] oh, this is the one that will not run.. [14:07] lack of stensil buffer [14:08] I did look in to a few roms, but never had any success... [14:11] Hehe [14:12] My N1 scored 1286: less than standard N1 with 2.2 [14:12]