[00:57] <BeckySanderlin`x> http://pandalabs.pandasecurity.com/tis-the-season-of-ddos-wikileaks-editio/
[00:59] <MutantTurkey> visa is under a ddos
[14:24] <andrew> Did I read that post that many times (re planet ubuntu)?
[14:25] <Pici> Which one?
[14:25] <PennBot> hmm... Which one is it, Pici
[14:26] <andrew> Pici: the one that is there 10 times
[14:27] <andrew> EVENTS ARE LIKE SIGNALS
[14:27] <Pici> Yeah, I saw it a few times on there earlier today.
[15:19] <InHisName> anyone know of source for mp3 player selling for < $7 shipped ?   Tired of googling the $30 ones.
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> I have an extra day of vacation!
[17:51]  * ChinnoDog just "discovered" it
[17:52] <andrew> let me guess, use it or lose it?
[18:07] <ChinnoDog> Thats right!
[18:08] <ChinnoDog> It is a floating holiday I took as paid time off because I was out of the country
[18:08] <ChinnoDog> Meaning, I still have a floating holiday!
[19:02] <InHisName> So will you have a 'holiday' tomorrow, ChinnoDog ?
[19:03] <ChinnoDog> Not tomorrow. haha
[19:03] <ChinnoDog> But, sometime in December!
[19:04] <ChinnoDog> Although, I wouldn't mind taking tomorrow. lol
[19:32] <rhpot1991> InHisName: < $7, seriously?
[19:32] <rhpot1991> buy a good one and use it forever
[19:33] <InHisName> Nope, its a gift for a child who smashes things a lot.  Cheap is way better.   Might last a week or two plus any bonus time.
[19:33] <ChinnoDog> Get one made of steel?
[19:33] <andrew> So, reward the child who breaks things with a new one each time the child breaks it.
[19:34] <InHisName> Nope, I have a Sansa e260.   Too sensitive for the destructo person.
[19:34] <rhpot1991> I'm with andrew
[19:34] <rhpot1991> or find some kiddie one that might take a smashing
[19:34] <rhpot1991> or wrap it in something
[19:34] <InHisName> The reward is "all done", "bye-bye"
[19:42] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: This guy seems to think the Sansa Fuze is indestructable. http://www0.epinions.com/review/SanDisk_Sansa_Fuze_4_GB_MP3_Player/content_531218468484
[19:42] <PennBot> Title: Indestructible little music player. - SanDisk Fuze (4 GB) Digital Media Player - Epinions.com (at www0.epinions.com)
[19:43] <InHisName> Not that indestrucatble, it has a screen.   One 6lb textbook landing on the screen make a big star cracks in center.
[19:44] <andrew> http://gizmodo.com/160502/monolith-semi+indestructible-mp3-player-gets-a-sizeable-upgrade
[19:44] <PennBot> Title: Monolith Semi-Indestructible MP3 Player Gets a Sizeable Upgrade (at gizmodo.com)
[19:44] <InHisName> $200 ???   far cry from < $7
[19:45] <andrew> yes, but it claims to be indestructible
[19:45] <ChinnoDog> A little screen is actually not very easy to break
[19:45] <ChinnoDog> A big screen is considerably easier
[19:45] <andrew> 200 / 7 = It will pay for itself in less than 30 weeks
[19:46] <InHisName> Rather give a $5 gift and then say "oh well" try take better care on next gift when ever that my happen.
[19:46] <andrew> How old is this subject?
[19:47] <InHisName> Prefer the mp3 to be new if it has a LI-ON battery.
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> Yes, how old?
[19:48] <InHisName> new
[19:48] <InHisName> zero
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> No, the child.  How old is the child?
[19:48] <ChinnoDog> The child is not new. Newborns don't need mp3 players.. yet.
[19:48] <InHisName> 8
[19:48] <InHisName> and 6
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> That seems plenty old enough to handle a small mp3 player. You could reward good care with periodic infusions of music.
[19:49] <InHisName> As long as it lasts.
[19:49] <InHisName> When done, no replacements.
[19:49] <ChinnoDog> The longer it lasts the higher the stakes if it is damaged
[19:50] <InHisName> Steaks ?  T-bone ?
[19:50] <ChinnoDog> :-p
[19:50] <InHisName> So damaged electronics bump up stakes ?
[19:51] <andrew> Tent stakes
[19:51] <andrew> keeps them from blowing away
[19:51] <ChinnoDog> electronics with growing music collections become more valuable as time goes on because you don't want to lose music.
[19:52] <andrew> backups++
[19:52] <ChinnoDog> shhh.  The kid is 8!
[19:52] <InHisName> More cell phones available for staking tents, than mp3 players.
[19:52] <ChinnoDog> Will 8 year old make a backup, even if they know how?
[19:53] <andrew> ChinnoDog: Might as well teach them life lessons early on
[19:53] <ChinnoDog> If said 8 year old makes backups I don't think you need to worry about them taking good care of the player.
[19:53] <InHisName> Never mind, I found one.  A little higher for $9.15 shipped.   Disney mix stick 1gb.  NO screen.  New.
[19:53] <andrew> valid point
[19:54] <andrew> InHisName: warranty?
[19:54] <InHisName> Probably one year.
[19:54] <InHisName> But customer abuse is usually not included.
[19:56] <InHisName> I consider if both the player AND the headphones lasting over 60 days, then BIG success.  For less than $10 not too expen$ive of an experiment.
[20:08] <JonathanD> that reminds me
[20:08] <JonathanD> I'm upgrading Josh to a slightly less crap laptop.
[20:08] <JonathanD> I think it's a lattitude 7500
[20:09] <JonathanD> Since he hasn't broken the compaq yet.
[20:09] <JonathanD> InHisName: fun how we expect them to break things, eh? ;)
[20:10] <BeckySanderlin`x> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXIgNnB_oq4
[20:10] <PennBot> Title: YouTube - HARRY POTTER Like a g6 PARODY (Like It's Quidditch) (at www.youtube.com)
[20:10] <InHisName> Actually I expect them to learn to acquire skills at keeping electronic devices from being destroyed.   Lowest cost that works is best sacrificial practice items.
[20:11] <JonathanD> thats why I gave him the compaq
[20:11] <JonathanD> well, that and it's heavy enough it's more likley to break things than be broken.
[20:12] <JonathanD> oh
[20:12] <JonathanD> inspiron, not lattitude.
[20:12] <JonathanD> it's about 12x faster though ;)
[20:13] <JonathanD> and can run linux!