[12:14] is the xubuntu iso currently >700MB also? [12:39] Good morning [13:17] morning charlie-tca [13:18] is the xubuntu iso currently >700MB also? [13:18] yup [13:18] any idea what's causing that? Or is this typical for alpha1 isos? [13:18] Alternate is about the right size, but the desktop is oversize [13:18] typical about this time [13:18] ok [13:18] caused by stuff from Ubuntu [13:19] I got the latest daily downloaded last night, so I'm going to try my xdg-launcher on it [13:19] did it install? [13:19] I haven't tried it yet [13:19] I can't log in today. GDM is broken [13:20] I'll let you know when I do [13:20] :( [13:20] not a good thing to have broken [13:20] can you at least ctrl+alt+f1, login as yourself, then startx? [13:20] true, but only if you plan to use Nagtty [13:20] or xtartxfce4 [13:20] startx will work with sudo, but starts the xfce session instead of xubuntu [13:20] start...blah [13:21] I dropped down to maverick [13:21] oh right, I think you just need to change the XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_DIRS env variables to make it use the Xubuntu defaults [13:21] I keep the latest release and the development release up to date until beta or rc [13:25] If the development release breaks too bad for me, I just drop back to the stable release [15:07] sudo rm -r /etc/X11/Xsession.d/52libcanberra-gtk3-module_add-to-gtk-modules/ [15:07] that's actually the proper fix :-) [15:08] heh, and that makes gdm work again [15:26] whew! back in natty again [15:27] ochosi: did you get the screenshots above? [15:28] hi, i'm scott lavender, the lead for ubuntu studio, i am presuming that xubuntu will be using gnome2 as the default session, can someone help me determine how i can do this for the ubuntu studio images? [15:28] mr_pouit: how do create the session for Xubuntu ? ^ ^ [15:29] scott-work: actually, we use xfce, but it means a different session [15:31] charlie-tca: DOH! [15:31] lol [15:31] i actually knew that, but am multi-tasking coupled with i'm a dough head sometimes :P [15:36] mr_pouit or cody-somerville will know how to do what you want, though. [16:00] charlie-tca: good morning [16:01] Good morning, micahg_netbook [16:01] How are things looking today? [16:01] charlie-tca: ok, I have some weird things with xubuntu on my netbook with ubuntu-desktop installed [16:02] not sure what would happen w/out ubuntu-desktop [16:02] It's a meta-package, it is safe to remove it [16:02] charlie-tca: I meant w/out the GNOME components ;) [16:03] hm, that can be problematic [16:03] as in a pure xubuntu install [16:03] Did you choose the xubuntu-session at GDM? [16:03] yes [16:03] what kind of weird things? [16:04] well, multiple don't show this message when connecting to wireless networks [16:04] applications menu is squished like it should be the XFCE icon [16:04] * micahg_netbook needs to file some bugs [16:04] do you have both xfce-notifyd and gnome notifications installed? [16:04] * micahg_netbook checks [16:05] applications menu might have replaced gnome's menu [16:05] charlie-tca: neither actually [16:05] heh [16:05] That's different [16:06] notifications seem to work, this is maverick BTW [16:07] still got to use something to display those notices [16:08] With gnome changes, it gets harder and harder to get things to work right when adding ubuntu-desktop to xubuntu or Xubuntu-desktop to ubuntu [16:09] notify-osd should be generating those [16:09] charlie-tca: yep [16:09] Hard to do anything with the multiples, though [17:33] /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service should tell you what program is providing the notifications service [18:03] woot, xdg-launcher mostly works in Xubuntu [18:03] :-) [18:04] it runs anyway, but still not using the menu data I want it to be using [18:04] still, it's progress [18:08] agreed [18:17] hey charlie-tca [18:17] yes, got the screenshots [18:17] to be honest i don't see any problems there... :/ [18:22] the text is not black though, the color is 3C3C3C, if you like we can test black there [18:28] charlie-tca: bbl [18:28] ochosi: Please, let's test black text if we can [18:29] I am looking at accessibility as much as everything else. I want to be able to say we got it right for everyone [18:31] Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes, agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Mettings [18:32] Well the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:00] Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now [19:01] cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^ [19:13] micahg: the main work is already "roughly" done in pkg-xfce's svn repo [19:13] mr_pouit: ok, idk how to grab packages from there [19:13] it probably needs a bit of polishing (e.g. delete autogenerated autotools files), but you don't need to coordinate with debian for that [19:14] and I can push your changes if really needed [19:14] micahg: you can grab the full repo with 'svn co svn://anonymous@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-xfce/' [19:15] (more on http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/) [19:16] mr_pouit: ok, so I do that, then test and upload? then update the wiki by moving to uploaded w/the ver #? [19:16] for panel plugins, the version is not really useful, you can simply put it with the upload date, below the table yeah :) [19:19] ok [19:19] will try to do at least a couple this weekend [19:45] mr_pouit: why is xfce4 using 3.0 (native) instead of 3.0 (quilt)? [19:45] it's a native metapackage, so 3.0 (quilt) isn't very useful [19:46] oh, hmm, I guess I misunderstood what it was :-/ [19:46] micahg: it's a metapackage to install the mandatory packages for a basic xfce4 desktop [19:46] mr_pouit: right, that makes sense now [19:47] (but we have xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu, so it's only useful when you want a very minimal install) [19:50] or if people don't want the xubuntu branding [19:50] yep [19:52] dinner time, bbl [21:41] micahg: are we asking testing for thunderbird, or did you say to disregard that part/ [21:41] ? [21:42] charlie-tca: well, it'll probably be pushed to Lucid today or tomorrow, so idk if it's worth putting out a call for testing, you can mention it as an update if you like that TB in Lucid is being upgraded to 3.1.7 [21:43] okay [21:43] thanks [21:43] charlie-tca: I'll make sure to coordinate with you for the next major update [21:44] Works for me. [22:45] charlie-tca: may i ask you a few things about the screenshot again? [22:45] sure [22:45] the "gray text in liferea" screenshot, where's readability the worst for you? [22:46] The text area below the titles [22:46] i mean the tree on the left showing your subscriptions should be fine, right? [22:46] below what titles? [22:46] Yes, that is okay, I don't have to see it often [22:46] The main body of text [22:47] you mean the "radioweather writes..." stuff? [22:47] yup [22:47] i see [22:47] that appears to be a grey text, and it blurs after a little bit [22:48] hm, well, it isn't black as stated earlier [22:48] would you mind quickly testing the black? [22:48] Happy to try it [22:49] What happens is too many grays begin to blend together [22:49] if you could edit your /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-2.0/gtkrc line 7 and make the "text_color:#000000" [22:49] since it's only this one value involved it's easiest if you just try it [22:50] then you have to reload the theme, meaning switching back and forth [22:52] That changed the feeds to black [22:53] and the titles above the text box [22:53] yeah, it should in fact change all the text to black [22:53] Maybe it did [22:53] unless liferea doesn't adhere to the gtk-standards [22:53] could you just post another comparable screenshot? [22:53] My eyes are clouding again, makes it harder to see, but I like that [22:56] Does it help if I say I can read it easier? [22:56] hehe, sure [22:56] https://imagebin.org/127182 [22:56] i mean it's just more contrasty [22:57] Sometimes that matters on the monitor [22:57] charlie-tca: TB 3.1.7 was just published to -security [22:57] thanks, micahg [22:57] hm, something doesn't work with the link you just posted... (404) [22:57] http://imagebin.org/127182 [22:58] Well, I have to go to a piano recital now. I will be back later. Thanks for trying, though [22:58] That second link worked, right? [22:58] yep, i'll try it for a while myself and then push the change to the mercurial repository [22:59] Thank you [22:59] no problem [22:59] happy we're talking about stuff like this early enough