[12:14] <mhall119> is the xubuntu iso currently >700MB also?
[12:39] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:17] <mhall119> morning charlie-tca 
[13:18] <mhall119> is the xubuntu iso currently >700MB also?
[13:18] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:18] <mhall119> any idea what's causing that?  Or is this typical for alpha1 isos?
[13:18] <charlie-tca> Alternate is about the right size, but the desktop is oversize
[13:18] <charlie-tca> typical about this time
[13:18] <mhall119> ok
[13:18] <charlie-tca> caused by stuff from Ubuntu
[13:19] <mhall119> I got the latest daily downloaded last night, so I'm going to try my xdg-launcher on it
[13:19] <charlie-tca> did it install?
[13:19] <mhall119> I haven't tried it yet
[13:19] <charlie-tca> I can't log in today. GDM is broken
[13:20] <mhall119> I'll let you know when I do
[13:20] <mhall119> :(
[13:20] <mhall119> not a good thing to have broken
[13:20] <mhall119> can you at least ctrl+alt+f1, login as yourself, then startx?
[13:20] <charlie-tca> true, but only if you plan to use Nagtty
[13:20] <mhall119> or xtartxfce4
[13:20] <charlie-tca> startx will work with sudo, but starts the xfce session instead of xubuntu
[13:20] <mhall119> start...blah
[13:21] <charlie-tca> I dropped down to maverick
[13:21] <mhall119> oh right, I think you just need to change the XDG_CONFIG_HOME and XDG_DATA_DIRS env variables to make it use the Xubuntu defaults
[13:21] <charlie-tca> I keep the latest release and the development release up to date until beta or rc
[13:25] <charlie-tca> If the development release breaks too bad for me, I just drop back to the stable release
 sudo rm -r /etc/X11/Xsession.d/52libcanberra-gtk3-module_add-to-gtk-modules/
 that's actually the proper fix :-) 
[15:08] <charlie-tca> heh, and that makes gdm work again
[15:26] <charlie-tca> whew! back in natty again
[15:27] <charlie-tca> ochosi: did you get the screenshots above?
[15:28] <scott-work> hi, i'm scott lavender, the lead for ubuntu studio, i am presuming that xubuntu will be using gnome2 as the default session, can someone help me determine how i can do this for the ubuntu studio images?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: how do create the session for Xubuntu ? ^ ^ 
[15:29] <charlie-tca> scott-work: actually, we use xfce, but it means a different session
[15:31] <scott-work> charlie-tca: DOH!
[15:31] <scott-work> lol
[15:31] <scott-work> i actually knew that, but am multi-tasking coupled with i'm a dough head sometimes :P
[15:36] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit or cody-somerville will know how to do what you want, though. 
[16:00] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: good morning
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Good morning, micahg_netbook 
[16:01] <charlie-tca> How are things looking today?
[16:01] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: ok, I have some weird things with xubuntu on my netbook with ubuntu-desktop  installed
[16:02] <micahg_netbook> not sure what would happen w/out ubuntu-desktop
[16:02] <charlie-tca> It's a meta-package, it is safe to remove it
[16:02] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: I meant w/out the GNOME  components ;)
[16:03] <charlie-tca> hm, that can be problematic
[16:03] <micahg_netbook> as in a pure xubuntu install
[16:03] <charlie-tca> Did you choose the xubuntu-session at GDM?
[16:03] <micahg_netbook> yes
[16:03] <charlie-tca> what kind of weird things?
[16:04] <micahg_netbook> well, multiple don't show this message when connecting to wireless networks
[16:04] <micahg_netbook> applications menu is squished like it should be the XFCE icon
[16:04]  * micahg_netbook needs to file some bugs
[16:04] <charlie-tca> do you have both xfce-notifyd and gnome notifications installed?
[16:04]  * micahg_netbook checks
[16:05] <charlie-tca> applications menu might have replaced gnome's menu
[16:05] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: neither actually
[16:05] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:05] <charlie-tca> That's different
[16:06] <micahg_netbook> notifications seem to work, this is maverick BTW
[16:07] <charlie-tca> still got to use something to display those notices
[16:08] <charlie-tca> With gnome changes, it gets harder and harder to get things to work right when adding ubuntu-desktop to xubuntu or Xubuntu-desktop to ubuntu
[16:09] <charlie-tca> notify-osd should be generating those
[16:09] <micahg_netbook> charlie-tca: yep
[16:09] <charlie-tca> Hard to do anything with the multiples, though
[17:33] <mhall119> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service should tell you what program is providing the notifications service 
[18:03] <mhall119> woot, xdg-launcher mostly works in Xubuntu
[18:03] <charlie-tca> :-)
[18:04] <mhall119> it runs anyway, but still not using the menu data I want it to be using
[18:04] <mhall119> still, it's progress
[18:08] <charlie-tca> agreed
[18:17] <ochosi> hey charlie-tca 
[18:17] <ochosi> yes, got the screenshots
[18:17] <ochosi> to be honest i don't see any problems there... :/
[18:22] <ochosi> the text is not black though, the color is 3C3C3C, if you like we can test black there
[18:28] <ochosi> charlie-tca: bbl
[18:28] <charlie-tca> ochosi: Please, let's test black text if we can
[18:29] <charlie-tca> I am looking at accessibility as much as everything else. I want to be able to say we got it right for everyone
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes, agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Mettings 
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Well the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:00] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting now
[19:01] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: ^ ^ ^  
[19:13] <mr_pouit> micahg: the main work is already "roughly" done in pkg-xfce's svn repo
[19:13] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, idk how to grab packages from there
[19:13] <mr_pouit> it probably needs a bit of polishing (e.g. delete autogenerated autotools files), but you don't need to coordinate with debian for that
[19:14] <mr_pouit> and I can push your changes if really needed
[19:14] <mr_pouit> micahg: you can grab the full repo with 'svn co svn://anonymous@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-xfce/'
[19:15] <mr_pouit> (more on http://pkg-xfce.alioth.debian.org/)
[19:16] <micahg> mr_pouit: ok, so I do that, then test and upload?  then update the wiki by moving to uploaded w/the ver #?
[19:16] <mr_pouit> for panel plugins, the version is not really useful, you can simply put it with the upload date, below the table yeah :)
[19:19] <micahg> ok
[19:19] <micahg> will try to do at least a couple this weekend
[19:45] <micahg> mr_pouit: why is xfce4 using 3.0 (native) instead of 3.0 (quilt)?
[19:45] <mr_pouit> it's a native metapackage, so 3.0 (quilt) isn't very useful
[19:46] <micahg> oh, hmm, I guess I misunderstood what it was :-/
[19:46] <mr_pouit> micahg: it's a metapackage to install the mandatory packages for a basic xfce4 desktop
[19:46] <micahg> mr_pouit: right, that makes sense now
[19:47] <mr_pouit> (but we have xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu, so it's only useful when you want a very minimal install)
[19:50] <micahg> or if people don't want the xubuntu branding
[19:50] <mr_pouit> yep
[19:52] <mr_pouit> dinner time, bbl
[21:41] <charlie-tca> micahg: are we asking testing for thunderbird, or did you say to disregard that part/
[21:41] <charlie-tca> ?
[21:42] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, it'll probably be pushed to Lucid today or tomorrow, so idk if it's worth putting out a call for testing, you can mention it as an update if you like that TB in Lucid is being upgraded to 3.1.7
[21:43] <charlie-tca> okay
[21:43] <charlie-tca> thanks
[21:43] <micahg> charlie-tca: I'll make sure to coordinate with you for the next major update
[21:44] <charlie-tca> Works for me. 
[22:45] <ochosi> charlie-tca: may i ask you a few things about the screenshot again?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> sure
[22:45] <ochosi> the "gray text in liferea" screenshot, where's readability the worst for you?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> The text area below the titles
[22:46] <ochosi> i mean the tree on the left showing your subscriptions should be fine, right?
[22:46] <ochosi> below what titles?
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Yes, that is okay, I don't have to see it often
[22:46] <charlie-tca> The main body of text
[22:47] <ochosi> you mean the "radioweather writes..." stuff?
[22:47] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:47] <ochosi> i see
[22:47] <charlie-tca> that appears to be a grey text, and it blurs after a little bit
[22:48] <ochosi> hm, well, it isn't black as stated earlier
[22:48] <ochosi> would you mind quickly testing the black?
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Happy to try it
[22:49] <charlie-tca> What happens is too many grays begin to blend together
[22:49] <ochosi> if you could edit your /usr/share/themes/greybird/gtk-2.0/gtkrc line 7 and make the "text_color:#000000"
[22:49] <ochosi> since it's only this one value involved it's easiest if you just try it
[22:50] <ochosi> then you have to reload the theme, meaning switching back and forth
[22:52] <charlie-tca> That changed the feeds to black
[22:53] <charlie-tca> and the titles above the text box
[22:53] <ochosi> yeah, it should in fact change all the text to black
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Maybe it did
[22:53] <ochosi> unless liferea doesn't adhere to the gtk-standards
[22:53] <ochosi> could you just post another comparable screenshot?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> My eyes are clouding again, makes it harder to see, but I like that
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Does it help if I say I can read it easier?
[22:56] <ochosi> hehe, sure
[22:56] <charlie-tca> https://imagebin.org/127182
[22:56] <ochosi> i mean it's just more contrasty
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Sometimes that matters on the monitor
[22:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: TB 3.1.7 was just published to -security
[22:57] <charlie-tca> thanks, micahg 
[22:57] <ochosi> hm, something doesn't work with the link you just posted... (404)
[22:57] <charlie-tca> http://imagebin.org/127182
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Well, I have to go to a piano recital now. I will be back later. Thanks for trying, though
[22:58] <charlie-tca> That second link worked, right?
[22:58] <ochosi> yep, i'll try it for a while myself and then push the change to the mercurial repository
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[22:59] <ochosi> no problem
[22:59] <ochosi> happy we're talking about stuff like this early enough