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andrewh192hey01:00
andrewh192guys, how do i get my bottom "panel" to look like the bottom "panel" on mac os X01:00
moetunesthat's called a dock, there's lots to choose from01:05
andrewh192ok01:07
andrewh192where do i choose different ones?01:07
andrewh192like where do i change the one i have?01:07
moetunesyou can search in the package manager for them01:08
moetunesthe one you have is a panel - it is different to a dock01:08
andrewh192ok01:08
andrewh192so just search for the word dock?01:08
moetunesyep but choose one that is for kde or any window manager - not a gnome one01:09
andrewh192ok01:10
moetunesyou can also use the search term   kde dock   in www.google.com/linux to see what others recommend01:12
moetunesandrewh192:  ^^01:12
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SteelWingHi all01:36
SteelWingHello? anyone here?01:39
TorchSteelWing: this is a support channel ;-) just ask your question, don't feel shy.01:39
SteelWingSorry, third support channel I've beent to without a response. Was beginning to think my client got bugged.01:39
SteelWingI'm trying to install irssi on Kubuntu, I'm new to KDE but have done it before on Ubuntu. It's claiming that when I use ./configure no such file or directory exists. I'm trying to figure out why it doesn't seem to understand ./configure.01:40
TorchSteelWing: can't you just install it from a package?01:41
TorchSteelWing: like, apt-get install irssi?01:41
SteelWingLast I checked the package was out of date.01:41
TorchSteelWing: possible... but do you need the latest version? i run it on debian lenny on a server, that's probably even more outdate.01:41
SteelWingWell I'd feel more comfortable if I could get this SVN version to cooperate.01:42
SteelWingWorked fine in gnome I can't figure out why its not recognizing ./configure01:42
TorchSteelWing: svn version, ok... so does it come with a configure script (hint: probably not)01:42
SteelWingDid before.01:42
SteelWingHell, even INSTALL says to use it.01:42
TorchSteelWing: svn versions usually don't have the configure script, src tarballs do however01:42
TorchSteelWing: is there a file called "configure" or is there not? ;-)01:43
SteelWingconfigure.in01:43
TorchSteelWing: yep01:43
TorchSteelWing: wrong one ;-)01:43
TorchSteelWing: you have to create configure yourself01:43
SteelWingD'oh.01:44
TorchSteelWing: that's done by some magic stuff ... autoconf and all. i've not used that in years.01:44
moetunesor do   ./autogen.sh01:44
SteelWingAlright I'll grab a nightly developer tarball.01:44
Torchmoetunes: good hint.01:44
TorchSteelWing: if it has that, try that01:44
TorchSteelWing: or try autoreconf (might need some options, i dimly remember)01:45
SteelWingYeah, nightly tarball did it.01:47
SteelWingThanks, I'll be going now.01:47
TorchSteelWing: you're welcome01:47
SteelWingMaybe not. I look back to my left to find the ./config script complaining I need glib 2.6 or higher. I just installed kubuntu today and I'm almost certain glib is a stock package.01:49
TorchSteelWing: are you still building this?01:50
SteelWingAttempting to. Usually it would be ./configure make make install01:50
TorchSteelWing: but?01:50
SteelWingBut it won't get past ./configure01:50
SteelWingcomplains I need glib 2.6 or higher. But I should have that already.01:51
TorchSteelWing: glib is a gnome package01:51
SteelWingOh.01:51
TorchSteelWing: no.01:51
TorchSteelWing: build it without gnome support01:51
SteelWingCrap. Glib *smacks head* GnomeLibrary.01:51
TorchSteelWing: it should offer that in configure --help01:51
tsimpsonglib is _not_ gnome01:51
TorchSteelWing: or install glib devel packages (you probably already do have glib itself)01:52
moetunesis the build-essential package installed?01:52
SteelWingtsimpson: Sorry! Got it, Glib != Gnome Lib. Duely noted01:53
Torchmoetunes: if it wasn't i'd guess configure would instantly abort crying for a compiler... ;-)01:53
tsimpsonit was created for gnome, but was separated from gnome long ago01:53
tsimpsonglib2.0-dev is the package you need to compile anything that needs glib01:53
Torchtsimpson: i'm expecting irssi to be buildable without dependencies on glib.01:54
Torchtsimpson: gnome or not.01:54
Torchtsimpson: so how does this help?01:54
tsimpsonwhy do you think irssi should not use glib?01:55
Torchtsimpson: i keep my opinions about glib to myself01:56
Torchtsimpson: but you're right, it seems to depend on it even for console only builds01:56
tsimpsonyeah, glib has nothing to do with GUI01:56
SteelWingYeah well it worked now it wants ncurese-devel which apt can't find.01:56
tsimpsonit's mostly used for support of threading and signal/slot style code01:57
SteelWingerr. Crap I didn't mean for that to sound as rude as it did.01:57
TorchSteelWing: don't worry about it ;-)01:57
tsimpsonSteelWing: libncurses5-dev01:57
TorchSteelWing: well, you need the curses devel package01:57
SteelWingObviously but the package name it gave me must of been out of date or simply wrong. tsimpson has the correct package name.01:58
TorchSteelWing: configure cannot give you package names01:58
TorchSteelWing: it looks for headers and libs01:59
tsimpsonit's not a package name, it's just telling you it wants the devel part of ncurses (you have to figure out the package name manually)01:59
SteelWingAh, that explains it. Then I mistook the header for the package name.01:59
SteelWingWell its compliling now.01:59
tsimpsonlib(whatever)-dev is usually a good start01:59
TorchSteelWing: or apt-cache search <whatever> and look for the dev package02:00
SteelWingI'll make note of that.02:00
SteelWingOkay, its successfully installed.02:00
SteelWingThanks again for all your help.02:01
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WalzmynKDE 4.4.5, where's the desktop background setting?03:05
andrewh192hey03:23
andrewh192was wondering how i setup dcc send03:24
valorieandrewh192: generally, that has to do with setting up your modem/WAP etc. to allow it03:32
andrewh192how do i accept a file someone is sending me via dcc in quassel?03:38
tolkachandrewh192- step 1: install xchat. step 2: in Settings > Preferences > Network > File Transfers, select either 'yes' or 'browse each time' for auto-accept03:40
tolkach;)03:40
andrewh192ok03:43
andrewh192ok03:44
andrewh192thanx03:44
ko2hello, i use kubuntu hardy heron and i know that there is no officially supported package for eigen2 (libeigen2 is the package name). I found a site on launchpad that offers a package. Can i use that for kubuntu, too?03:53
andrewh192valorie: i have another question for ya..04:11
andrewh192valorie: i recently downloaded/installed cairo-dock and was wondering how i go aboout acctually installing it04:11
andrewh192its on my computer, but i am not sure how to "activate" it04:11
rackITi have a usb sd card reader that mounts cards as read only. searching internets produce no results. I'm using lucid. any ideas how to get a r/w mount when I plug the device in?04:30
phoenix_firebrdrackIT: is there a lock notch in your card?04:36
rackITphoenix_firebrd: yes - it's unlocked04:49
rxhi. im using kubuntu 10.10 with vmware workstation (latest version). ive got vmwaretools installed and everything works ok except that my screen resolution always resets to 800x600 when i reboot. and it seems that when i change it (in kutuntu) it doesnt do it properly because it looks like everything just get scaled (bigger windows, bigger fonts...). anyone can help me?04:59
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Micha-help05:13
Micha-I need help configuring sound output as I get no sound on fresh install of Kubuntu 10.10 64 bit..05:15
valorie!ask | Micha05:15
ubottuMicha: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)05:15
valorieoops05:15
valoriesorry05:15
valoriehave you tried alsamixer in the console?05:15
Micha-no(?)05:16
valorieit's a sort of semi-gui interface you run in Konsole05:16
Micha-what steps do I take?05:16
valorieI had some trouble in 10.04 with sound also05:16
valoriesome channels kept muting, and that was the way I solved it05:17
Micha-It works fine in 10.10 32 bit.05:17
valorieopen up a Konsole and say type or paste: alsamixer05:17
Micha-(Ubuntu)05:17
Micha-Ok05:17
valorieoops, paste or type: alsamixer05:18
Micha-where is Konsole located?05:19
valorieuse your Kmenu: search05:19
valoriekonsole05:19
Micha-got it05:20
valorieI use it so often I have it in my taskbar, but I guess some people don't like the cli05:20
valorieso now just type or paste: alsamixer05:20
Micha-ok. ran the command, now i got a graph05:21
valorielook at the bottom of each -- are any of them MM ?05:21
valoriethat means MUTE05:21
Micha-six are MM05:22
valoriewoah05:22
Micha-:P05:22
valorieok, let me see if I remember how to change them05:22
Micha-?05:22
Micha-Tx05:22
valorieyou use arrow keys to navigate05:22
valorieup and down arrows should work either05:23
Micha-Hmm. I think it reads my speakers as headphones05:24
valoriethat's odd05:24
valoriehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsamixer for more info05:25
Micha-Thank you valorie, I'll tinker with this05:29
rxhi. im using kubuntu 10.10 with vmware workstation (latest version). ive got vmwaretools installed and everything works ok except that my screen resolution always resets to 800x600 when i reboot. and it seems that when i change it (in kutuntu) it doesnt do it properly because it looks like everything just get scaled (bigger windows, bigger fonts...). anyone can help me?05:51
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dasKreechrx: I guess you looked at the VMware forums already?06:05
bobbyhello people.06:29
bobbyhey guys.06:32
dasKreechHi06:33
dasKreechhow are you?06:34
bobbyupgrading to maverick.06:36
cyberbobI installed kubuntu 10 lts 64bit, it was working perfect a few days before but today while loging in to the system i got the error as kdestartupconfig4 not found error code is 3 check your installation(something like this) and now I am not able to login ..06:38
moetunescyberbob:  have you done a system update recently?06:40
cyberbobmoetunes: lastday i just updated my vlc app.nothing else. .06:40
moetunescyberbob:  check the /etc/startkde file for errors06:41
cyberbobmoetunes: actually i am not too good in linux desktop computing. Recently started using kubuntu on my Desktop after getting my new Desktop maching06:42
cyberbobmoetunes: file not found . .06:43
dasKreechcyberbob: Welcome to Linux and KDE :006:43
dasKreech:)06:43
cyberbob:)06:43
moetunescyberbob:  you can check it from the live cd or from the recovery boot option - from the live cd you could paste it06:44
dasKreechkstartupconfig4 ?06:44
cyberbobdasKreech: command executed without showing any msg smells cool06:45
moetunesI've seen a similar error and it turned out to be from the startkde file being rewritten wrong during an update06:45
dasKreechwhere is it running from?06:45
dasKreechmoetunes: I somehow doubt there would be a KDE config file in /etc that's used on boot06:46
dasKreechor login06:46
cyberbobdasKreech: Ijust used kstartupconfig4 on my console06:46
dasKreechcyberbob: Yes but apparently kde doesn't have that same luxury :)06:47
dasKreechtry <which kstartupconfig4> to see where it's running from06:47
cyberbobmoetunes:  dasKreech  even I am not able to use GUI for web browsing.  .as you know elinks sucks in this regard.  . ..06:47
dasKreechcyberbob: use w3m it's not that bad :)06:47
cyberbob  /usr/bin/kstartupconfig406:48
moetunesand startkde isn't right that's why the error of it not being found06:49
cyberbobmoetunes: how can i overcome that06:49
dasKreechmoetunes: Right but where is your startkde file?06:49
moetunessudo nano /etc/startkde06:50
dasKreechmoetunes: serious?06:50
moetunessudo nano /etc/startkdesorry - /usr/bin/startkde06:50
moetunesI'm multitasking here =)06:50
dasKreechcyberbob: sudo nano $(which startkde)06:51
moetunes!pastebinit06:51
ubottupastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com06:51
cyberbobdasKreech: /usr/bin/startkde06:51
dasKreechcyberbob: That's what I thought but you can type the whole thing including the $(    )06:52
dasKreechsudo nano $(which startkde)06:52
bobbyanybody else having issues with kub hibernating?06:53
dasKreechthe commands in the $(  ) are run first then whatever they bring back is then put into nano06:53
dasKreechbobby: Likely06:53
cyberbob  dasKreech  /usr/bin/nano /usr/bin/startkde            <------------output of the command06:54
dasKreechcyberbob: ha ha what did you type?06:54
cyberbobi am a lilbit confused dasKreech                 should i copy /usr/bin/startkde to /etc/startkde ?06:55
moetunesno06:55
dasKreechcyberbob: No I just want to see what you typed to get that output06:55
dasKreechpress up and copy it to here06:56
bobbyit's really annoying. it just goes crazy. hibernate and then at start network manager doesn't work.06:56
dasKreechyou can press up to get the last command you typed in06:56
dasKreech!hibernate06:56
bobbyyou have to find and kill the state info06:56
dasKreechcyberbob: I'll help you in a little i'm just interested in what the command was that you put in06:57
cyberbobdasKreech: it opened up a file06:59
cyberbobA bash script06:59
dasKreechcyberbob: Right06:59
dasKreechmoetunes: What is your suggestion now?06:59
moetunesthis error happens because two lines are made into one07:00
moetuneslook for a word made up of two words07:00
dasKreechhmm :-/07:00
moetunesI think it is the second or third line from memory07:00
cyberbobdasKreech: it opened up a BASH script file in front of me07:00
dasKreechcyberbob: really shouldn't be on IRC id you are logged in as root07:01
dasKreechcyberbob: correct07:01
cyberbobbut i feel comfortable with vi/vim so opened it withthat. .07:01
dasKreechcyberbob: \o/07:01
dasKreechmoetunes: which two lines ?07:02
moetunesI can't see from here - common sense should point it out07:03
moetunesor paste it07:03
dasKreechmoetunes: can I presume that it contains the line kstartupconfig4 ?07:04
moetunesno idea - either that or set the path, I can't remember07:05
moetunesand I'm not at a kde box to check atm07:05
cyberbobsorry got DC07:13
dasKreech:-)07:14
cyberbobnnow I got another erro while loggin in , I added another user but that user when tries to login session hangs @ splash screen07:14
dasKreechwhat hapens if you run startkde?07:15
cyberbob$DISPLAY is not set or can not connect to X server07:15
dasKreechcyberbob: can you check the file .xsessions-errors in that users home directory07:15
cyberbobdasKreech: tail -f /hom/user/.xsessions-errors shows errors klauncher (4224)/kio  (klauncher): slavepool:no communication with the slave07:18
cyberbobfetched layout groups from X server etc. .07:19
dasKreechhmm07:20
dasKreechseems like you have quite some KDE configuration issues07:20
dasKreechexport DISPLAY=:0.007:21
dasKreechrun that then try run startkde again07:21
cyberbobsame error like previous one07:22
bobbyguys any grub2 experts ?07:23
bobbythere's an ubuntu install on a usb still but the installer installed grub2 on teh same disk. which means if the usb stick is not plugged in the grub boots in rescue mode.07:24
bobby'coz the grub.cfg stuff is not on teh main disk.07:24
bobbyis there a way I can force it to use the windows boot loader and have that one chainload grub2 if the disk is plugged in?07:25
cyberbobdasKreech: it is going to below up my mind, as I have a bundle of assignments with em and they are lingering on. . . .:P07:25
moetunesbobby:  you'll have to reinstall the windows bootloader on the hdd and install grub to the usb and set the bios to boot the usb first07:26
dasKreechcyberbob: ah you want a quick fix? hmm07:27
dasKreechcyberbob: You made a new user and they can't login you say?07:27
cyberbobyup their session hangs @ splash screen @ harddrive while loading system components07:28
bobbymoetunes: so how do I reinstall the windows bootloader?07:29
moetunesbobby:  you'll have to ask in ##windows I have no idea07:29
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moetunesI don't use windows07:29
bobbymoetunes: cool, thanks.07:30
moetunesnp :)07:30
valoriebobby: unfortunately that happens07:30
bobbymoetunes: one more question. can I install the entire grub2 to the hdd so that whether the usb is in or not, the grub and the menu work fine?07:30
valoriehappened to me, and I blogged about my solution07:30
bobbyvalorie: it's part of learning.07:30
valoriebut I don't use windows either07:31
bobbyvalorie: if you have a solution to it, that would be cool.07:31
moetunesbobby:  no because the config will be on the usb07:31
valoriesec, and I'll get the link -- be sure to read the comments for other methods07:31
bobbymoetunes: yeah, that's what I thought. I'm thinking now whether I want to create a partition on the hdd and put boot and grub there. and leave the rest of the / on the usb.07:31
bobbyvalorie: cool.07:31
valoriehttp://linuxgrandma.blogspot.com/2010/10/grub2-and-chroots-dammit.html07:32
valorieit was easy enough for ME to do it, so it isn't that hard07:32
valoriesure angered me, as you can see by the title07:32
valorielol07:32
bobbywell, there linux granny....07:33
bobbythankx.07:33
valorie:-)07:33
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bobbylot of reading there....07:35
bobbythat's the linux story.07:35
PascalFRkwin(4158) KWin::Workspace::setupCompositing: KWin has detected that your OpenGL library is unsafe to use, falling back to XRender.07:36
PascalFRwhat does that mean ?07:36
valoriekwin is the KDE windowing system07:36
valorieopenGL is one way of rendering, but that wasn't working in your system07:37
valorieso it's using xRender07:37
valoriewhich is older (and faster) I believe07:37
bobbyKDE FTW!!!!07:37
valorielol07:37
valoriebobby, I'm rather verbose with stuff like that, so beginners can follow along07:38
PascalFRexcept that it worked before with opengl mmm07:38
valoriesince I'm a bit of a beginning07:38
valoriebeginner07:38
PascalFRand does not work on xrender07:38
valorie:(07:38
dasKreechcyberbob: What was the lastthing you remember doing before things broke?07:39
bobbyvalorie: I'm very much new user to grub2. grub legacy, I had used enough to navigate around it w/o getting upset.07:39
PascalFRi think it the latest SC that broke the thing07:40
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bobbyreboot08:16
skafti_someone that can help me with java08:30
skafti_Printerproblems ?08:37
rxdasKreech: yup i did that08:44
rxsome people say reintall vmware tools (that didnt help)08:44
rxsome people say reinstall the xorg vmware video driver (that didnt help)08:44
rxbtw the problem was:08:47
rxim using kubuntu 10.10 with vmware workstation (latest version). ive got vmwaretools installed and everything works ok except that my screen resolution always resets to 800x600 when i reboot. and it seems that when i change it (in kutuntu) it doesnt do it properly because it looks like everything just get scaled (bigger windows, bigger fonts...). anyone can help me?08:47
rx_is there a way to make KDE remembers windows position?09:11
rx_they always open upper left on the screen09:12
rx_and that bugs me alot :\09:12
jschallanyone have a samsung NF310? i can't get the brightness keys to work right.09:34
naught101is it possible to change the panel height and/or add panels in maverick?09:42
naught101I don't seem to have an option for it..09:42
Spaztic_Onefirst (possibly only) question, i installed ubuntu a while ago, and just installed the kdm, and am running that (from a login). The sound it horrendous in quality. Should I pursue help here or in #ubuntu ?09:46
valorieSpaztic_One: are you running ubuntu, or kubuntu?09:59
valorieand sound.... in what app?09:59
valorienaught, you can have as many panels as you like09:59
valoriebut there is also the option of "shelves"10:00
valoriewhich are a gadget too, and can contain more shelves10:00
valorieI haven't tried that, but just read about it10:00
Spaztic_Oneall sound. It was installed as ubuntu, but I ran sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and at login I selected kde.10:02
Spaztic_Oneso, valorie, i'm not sure which my computer technically is right now.10:04
valoriemost people have success with that method of installation, although I didn't10:08
valorieended up doing a clean install of Kub.10:08
valorieanyway, your sound quality relies on your equipment, of course, but also the backend to phonon, if you are using phonon for your sound apps10:09
valoriesome use it, some don't10:09
valoriesystemsettings > multimedia > phonon10:09
valorieyou can check which backend, and also test your sound there10:10
valorieto see if that's it10:10
SReidCan someone help me with my font smoothing? I'm realllly confused, and only things I can find about it online are very old posts I don't think apply anymore10:11
Spaztic_Onebackend for phonon is xine, whatever that is. I think I had been using Pulseaudio without a hitch before...10:11
SReidWhen I have a fresh install of Kubuntu the fonts look AMAZING. Its like OSX perfect, nice and thick fonts but perfectly smooth, I couldn't believe it, but if I so much as open the Application Appearance settings to do anything else, the next time I restart the computer the fonts are still kinda smooth, but not in firefox or any applications anymore10:13
SReidI haven't changed any settings, and after that, I've tried changing the settings to everything under the sun.10:13
SReidI dunno what the hell is going on10:14
Spaztic_Onehmmm...10:14
valorieyou might try another, Spaztic_One10:14
valoriexine works for me, but gstreamer or vlc give better results for some people10:15
Spaztic_OneHow would I do that?10:15
valoriethey are all available as packages for installation10:15
valoriekpackagekit is easiest, if you don't know the exact package name10:15
valoriesearch for phonon-gstreamer or phonon-vlc10:16
valorieand install kubuntu-restricted-extras while you're at it10:16
valoriesince that will give you all the needed codecs for playing mp3 and such10:16
naught101how do I get to the panel settings? right clicking the panel only gives me "add widgets" and "lock panel"...10:18
Spaztic_Oneso, what is phonon? and do you know the difference between it and whatever ubuntu uses? Cause I know I have gstreamer stuff installed for gnome, and the vlc media player installed (don't know that it is what you're talking about though)10:19
Spaztic_Oneshoot10:20
Spaztic_Onejust noticed hat its 5 20 in the morning... I'm going to get some rest and tackle this later10:20
naught101where's my cashew? does it not exist in kubuntu maverick?10:28
valorieyes, to the right-bottom and right-top of your screen10:31
SReidso can someone help me with my font problem, or heard of it happening before, or what?10:31
valorieSReid: you've repeated yourself a few times here10:31
valorieI suggest asking on the forums10:31
SReideh, I asked my question once, valorie10:32
SReidand after a long wait10:32
valoriesince you haven't found anyone here10:32
SReidasked again10:32
valoriereally?10:32
SReidyup10:32
valoriethen someone else IS asking10:32
valoriebut.... nobody answering, sadly10:32
SReidI asked if someone can help with a font problem, then i gave details...then waited, then asked again 10 minutes later10:32
valoriesucks10:33
SReidlearn to count10:33
SReidrepeated myself a few times10:33
SReidffs10:33
valorieright, if you only did it a few times10:33
valoriethen someone else is also asking10:33
valorieI wasn't complaining10:33
valorieif noone knows the answer, what can we do?10:34
SReidmake one up10:34
SReid:)10:34
valorielol10:34
valoriethere is no "man fonts" that I know of10:34
SReidi'm just pissed off at Kubunt10:34
SReidu10:34
SReidit gives me amazing fonts then takes them away, would have been better not havin it in first place10:35
SReid:(10:35
SReidCan't find any screenshots of Kubuntu with the fonts looking like mine did either...i'm beginning to think i dreamt it10:36
buggs_buggergr33ts!10:36
valoriemine look great!10:36
SReidcan i see a screenshot to see if its the way mine was?10:36
valoriesure, what would you like me to take a screenie of?10:37
SReidfirefox and like Dolphin open or something like that10:37
buggs_buggeri got a little window behaviour issue: every time i work with gimp and focus the main window the toolbox and the layerwindow go to background. how can i help that?10:37
buggs_buggeri want to keep both above the main window10:38
SReidbuggs_bugger: click the little gimp icon top left > Advanced > Keep above others10:39
valoriehttp://imagebin.ca/view/04GwhYt3.html10:39
valorieI made dolphin little, because I just have a laptop -- not an enormous screen10:40
SReidfirefox is messin me about, will open in a sec valorie10:41
morticumhi everyone. I was wondering how I might change the default open application associated with .out files...it doesn't show up in the filetypes settings10:41
buggs_buggerSReid, doesnt change behaviour. both dialogue-windows go background as soon as i activate the main window10:42
SReidbuggs_bugger: you mean if you had main gimp window maximised and you did that option for the toolbox and layers one etc they don't stay on top? after you click it check again to make sure it has a tick beside it? it works for me I use GIMP like that a lot :S10:42
buggs_buggerdouble checked it, doesnt work :(10:43
SReidi'm looking at what you want right now :S I dunno! thats weird...10:44
SReidcheck the main gimp windows option to make sure it doesn't have the keep above others thing selected, that might cause an issue10:44
buggs_buggerSReid, the problem is, once i untoggle the toolboxes with TAB and toggle them on again, they lose the "above all" setting10:44
SReiduntoggle them...what dya mean exactly  by that? sry if stupid question10:46
SReidi want to try and repeat what your doing10:46
buggs_buggerSReid, sorry, bad term. toggle off10:46
buggs_buggerSReid, gimp gives you the option to blend out the toolbox and any other floating window such as layers, channels ect. once i do that and then bring them back, they lose their above all property10:47
SReidi've just done an 11 hour nightshift, and I know the word toggle, but i don't know what your doing lol10:47
SReidahhh right10:48
SReidhmm10:48
SReiddunno how to solve that then10:48
buggs_buggerSReid, might i suggest to go to bed then? ^ ^10:48
buggs_buggerim in europe, gmt + 1 so here its noon ^ ^10:49
SReidand valorie, your fonts look nicer than mine, what font do you use? but your firefox fonts look like mine do, they were way more awesome before. I'm tempted to reinstall my computer again just to take a screenshot of the way it looked.10:49
valorielol10:49
valoriewell, I just use the standard fonts10:49
valorienever chose anything differnt10:49
valoriedifferent10:49
SReidme too10:49
valorieI believe it's the new ubuntu fontface10:50
SReidmaybe i was never meant to get the fonts lookin like they did, some weird glitch10:50
SReidit was like OSX or something10:50
valoriemaybe you can download and re-install the font family10:50
valorieI'm sure systemsettings tell you what you are using somewhere10:50
SReidthast the thing, when i go to system settings to change anything in the application appearance bit10:51
SReidev4en if didn't change anything10:51
SReidthe next time i restarted10:51
SReidthey would be the way they are now10:51
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SReidstill smooth but not WOW10:51
buggs_buggerSReid, ok then. ill try to figure it out on my own. thanks anyways. cheers an good night ^ ^10:51
SReidnight buggs10:52
SReid:)10:52
SReidI'm GMT too10:52
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SReidlol10:52
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SReidI'm a shelf-packer in ASDA at nights10:52
SReidAND AMAZING 3D ARTIST BY DAY...not lol...aspiring anyway...beginning....thinking? :P10:52
buggs_buggerSReid, gmt+0! its laaate ;-) cya10:53
SReidits 11am10:53
SReidlol10:53
SReidI NEED to find a screenshot of the way my comp looked...i can't be the only person who experienced this10:54
SReidI couldn't be arsed reinstalling everything, its set up perfectly besides that...and i suppose what does the fonts matter... >_<10:54
valorieload in the liveCD10:54
valorieis that the way it looked?10:55
SReidhmm... :D cool10:55
SReidhaven't checked!10:55
valoriethen look at systemsettings, and see if it's the same or different10:55
SReid*makes excuses to leave right now to check10:55
crissihello i'm looking for a way to boot a live cd with pae kernel.. does someone know how to enable it on ubuntu live cd? or maybe another livecd with pae kernel?10:55
SReidi'm leaving, thanks for help valorie, bye buggs10:55
valoriebye SReid10:55
valoriesorry I couldn't really help10:56
valoriemy sympathies -- appearance makes a big difference10:56
SReidits not exactly a problem since nothing is broken :D lol, bye10:56
SReidyea it makes it more comfy to work at your computer!10:56
SReidha10:56
valoriebeauty is necessary10:57
ceilingcamhello, can you tell me what "POSIX threads library (POSIX threads enabled libc)" means? i need this as a requirement for a driver installation10:59
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ping__lucehi. for some reasons, if I play a midi file with timidity, I hear only one instrument (piano)11:18
ping__lucewhy?11:18
ceilingcami have to install a driver and a requirement is this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541831/11:26
ceilingcami have updated my kubuntu hardy heron to the kernel 2.6.24.28, can you explain how i can mange this?11:26
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ceilingcamhow can i see with which compiler my kernel is compiled?12:37
ceilingcam_kann mir jemand sagen mit welche befehl ich eine installierte version von gcc, 4.2.4-1ubuntu4 auf 4.2.4-1ubuntu3 zurücksetzen kann?12:50
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parkinHELLO13:27
Peace-hi :)13:35
smoophhey guys I am looking for a widget like pastebin just for tinyurl ... somebody know one?13:36
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TopGearhello14:26
TopGearis there a way to install the amarok beta?14:26
yofelTopGear: there are packages for the amarok beta alongside the KDE SC 4.6 beta2 packages, don't know if there are others too14:27
TopGearokey14:31
TopGearwell, how do i use my ipod touch 2nd gen with amarok?14:31
TopGearit sees it, but it says there are nor songs on it :s14:31
TopGeari'm working with kubuntu 10.1014:32
TopGeardid not get the beta of amarok14:33
bogdanhi all14:35
phoenixfirebrdlhello everyone14:37
BluesKajhi folks14:44
TopGearno one?14:44
phoenixfirebrdi am here14:47
TopGearwell, how do i use my ipod touch 2nd gen with amarok?14:47
TopGear<TopGear> it sees it, but it says there are nor songs on it :s14:47
TopGear<TopGear> i'm working with kubuntu 10.1014:47
TopGear<TopGear> did not get the beta of amarok14:47
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phoenixfirebrdTopGear: do you beta version of amarok?14:48
TopGearnope14:49
TopGearcouse it only comes in a beta ppa of KDE14:49
phoenixfirebrdTopGear: have you tried banshee?14:49
TopGearnope, but i did try rhythmbox14:50
TopGearinstallin' banshee now14:51
phoenixfirebrdTopGear: is your working correctly in rhythmbox14:51
TopGearnope14:51
TopGearit doesn't even see it :s14:51
TopGearamarok sees it, but it says : "0 songs"14:51
phoenixfirebrdTopGear: i think banshee will do the job14:52
TopGearokey14:52
TopGearinstalled14:55
phoenixfirebrdTopGear: working?14:55
TopGearcrashes at start :(14:55
TopGeari'll make you a pastebin14:56
phoenixfirebrdTopGear: no14:56
TopGearhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/541901/14:56
phoenixfirebrdTopGear: i thought the crash happens for some of us, but it is happening to everyone. bad14:56
TopGearthat actually sucks :s14:57
TopGeargtkpod doesn't see my itouch :s14:58
phoenixfirebrdTopGear: i am not familiar with ipod . sorry14:59
phoenixfirebrdbrb15:00
Bauldrickwheres a link to cleanly/nicely change from ubuntu to kubuntu15:25
raheelwhich os should i install on a system with 384 mb ram pentium 3 700 mhz15:28
raheeli thought kubuntu would do fine15:28
rorktry lubuntu (or install lubuntu-desktop)15:29
rorkraheel: ^15:29
raheelwill it do the trick?15:29
raheelyes rork??15:30
yofelit's pretty convervative with resource usage so it's worth a try15:30
SeeteeHi everyone. I have been using Kubuntu as my main desktop for a cupple of years now. Installed it for a friend, but I can not seem to figure out how to get his dual screen working. Is he supposed to get x.org-hacking in this day and age?15:30
James147!purekde15:30
ubottuIf you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »15:30
rorkraheel: just wanted to mark that line for you. I use lubuntu (when necesary) on a 800mhz intel celeron with 128 mb ram. It's not great and you'll lack some features but it runs much better then kubuntu.  See http://www.lxde.org/ or http://lubuntu.net/15:32
raheelok but my friend tried lubuntu 10.1 on the same system specs and it did not even boot using the live cd. in between it crashed15:33
SeeteeI have been googling, and reading. There seem to be many bugs, and dual screen seems to be horribly broken in the latest versions of Kubuntu. Does anyone know more about the situation?15:33
James147Seetee: what graphics card/drivers is he using?15:34
SeeteeMy dual screen might be allright, since I have upgraded my way to where I am today.15:34
SeeteeJames147: It is a laptop, so SiS.15:34
SeeteeJames147: lspci returns "Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513" as "IDE interface". (I am at his machine now).15:36
rorkraheel: I can't say what caused that. You might want to try the alternate install cd instead, or go for a minimal install and install lubuntu-desktop afterwards.15:37
SeeteeSystem Settings / Display and Monitor / Multiple Monitors, says that there are no multiple monitors (although I have got the same image on both the internal and the external screen).15:37
SeeteeJames147: The Additional Drivers in the K / System-menu says that this system is not using any propritary drivers.15:39
James147Seetee: that dialog is for graphics cards that setup two screen to look as one (such as nvidia twinview)15:42
Seeteehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/403610 <-- Sounds exactly like this bug. But that does not seem to15:43
ubottuUbuntu bug 403610 in KDE Base "kde 4.3 Multiple Monitors tells lies" [Unknown,Confirmed]15:43
Seeteebe fixed.15:43
SeeteeRight.15:43
SeeteeIt works perfectly in XP, on the same hardware.15:44
Seeteelxrandr only finds one screen.15:50
SeeteeHmm... seems I will have to edit xorg.conf to get this to work. Maaany years since I had to do that. :-)15:52
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SeeteeCan't even find xorg.conf anymore. *looking around*15:53
rorkEveybody nods...15:54
Peace-Seetee: ?15:55
Peace-Seetee: xorg.conf is not more used15:55
James147Seetee: xorg.conf isnt there bydefault, but it will use it if you create one15:56
Peace-:)15:56
SeeteeJames147: Right, thanks. Found an askubuntu.com-article about it.15:56
SeeteeBut it sure feels like going back in time 10 years. :-)15:57
BluesKajhi folks15:58
domineushas anyone used this on the dell xt2 with tablet controls?16:02
SeeteeFrustrating that such an easy thing should be so hard. :-\ Well, I have to go. Will try to solve this another day.16:06
SeeteeThank you for your time, everyone.16:06
ubuntu4shaneis kopete the im for kde still?  or is there a different one?16:37
James147ubuntu4shane: it is currently, but there is a replacment in the works as far as i know16:38
ubuntu4shaneJames147: what is the replacment?16:38
James147ubuntu4shane: cant remember what is was called :S16:40
James147ubuntu4shane: ahh, yeah, it was telepathy16:41
ubuntu4shaneok, no prob16:41
ubuntu4shanehmm, ok, I will have to check it out, thanks16:41
ubuntu4shaneI'm exploring KDE for like the gazillionth time, this time liking it more.16:42
tsimpsonerm, I doubt that'll be default in Kubuntu, at least not until it stops sucking16:42
James147tsimpson: probally not untill kde 4.7 is out16:42
ubuntu4shanewhat version is kde4 now?16:43
James147*at least*16:43
ubuntu4shaneI guess there is sim too, Simple IM  :)16:43
tsimpson4.6 is out soon16:43
ubuntu4shaneok, thanks!16:44
supermaghi, my computer freezes after the brief display of the kubuntu splash screen..16:44
supermagand, the xorg.conf file is missing16:44
supermaghow do i fix that ?16:44
James147supermag: fix what?16:45
supermagthe black screen/freeze.16:46
supermagIs 10.10 supposed to have a xorg.conf file ?16:46
supermaghm..  kde-full is missing.. maybe intalling that solves the problem ?16:57
James147supermag: kde-full isn't needed nor installed by default... what problem are you having?16:57
supermagJames147: no xorg.conf, xorg configure results in segmetation fault, no desktop displayed, and the system hangs after the kubuntu splash screen.16:59
James147supermag: what graphics card?17:00
supermagJames147: radeon something17:01
James147supermag: well, xorg.conf shouldnt be needed anymore, so if you have one i would try reneming it and restrting x17:02
supermagJames147:  removing it ?17:03
James147supermag: rename or remove (renameing it is safer as it basicaly creates a backup..)17:03
supermagok, i will try that after installing the seemingly missing desktop.. No kde-plaslma and so on17:04
supermagkde-plasma*17:04
James147supermag: :S hmm, then try installing kubuntu-desktop as well, that should pull in enverything you need17:05
supermagJames147: i will try that, after figuring out what kind of graphics card it is17:11
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supermagJames147: the card is Identified as: ATI Technologies Inc RV530LE [Radeon X1600/X1650 PRO]17:15
supermag01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530LE [Radeon X1650 PRO] (Secondary)17:15
supermaguh oh..  platform radeon_cp.0: firmware: requesting radeon/R520_cp.bin17:19
supermagaccording to dmesg17:19
supermaghm..  the firmware is in place and is loading..17:21
BauldrickI just 'converted' from ubuntu to kubuntu, but now when it starts up the Kubuntu logo flashes up and then a black screen (actually lines vertically). /var/log/Xorg.0.log says that it cant open module fglrx module does not exist - is that the problem and how to fix that??17:53
DarthFrogDo you have a Radeon card?17:53
Bauldricklspci says ati I believe17:54
DarthFrogCan you issue this command, all on one line: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install fglrx"?17:54
BauldrickI'll try it, just got to connect it via ethernet17:56
DarthFrogIf it complains about fglrx is already installed, change the command to "sudo apt-get install --reinstall fglrx".17:57
BauldrickDarthFrog: cheers that installed and now the login screen shows up, but I cant login?? I put passwd and it returns me to login screen..18:02
Bauldrickforget that ^^ I selected kde and it appeas to work18:03
Freddy2hi18:09
Freddy2is it me or there is a dependencies problem with the last kde update for lucid? in backports you can have kde 4.5.3, but there are several packages marked as "autoremovable" (including libakonadi-contact4 and libkontactinterface4 iirc) which are required by kmail or akregator, for example18:13
Freddy2i did remove them and both kmail and akregator couldn't start.. i had to reinstall them18:13
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DaskreechI must be going crazy. what's the permissions needed to create a file within a directory ?18:47
DarthFrogDaskreech:  depends upon who owns the directory and which group you are in if you don't own the directory.18:50
DaskreechDarthFrog: lets say I won it18:50
Daskreechown it18:50
Daskreechand I have rwx on it18:50
DarthFrogThen you have write permission.18:51
Daskreechyes I do but I can't creat a file18:51
Daskreechit's strange I'm not sure what's up18:51
DarthFrogWhat do you get when you try?18:51
DarthFrogAre you in the directory when you try to write?18:52
Daskreechah maybe that's it hold on18:52
cuzntis there a bash command to see un mounted drives?18:56
DarthFrogDepends upon what you mean by "see".18:59
James147cuznt: "sudo fdisk -l" will list all drives with some info about them19:00
cuzntty James14719:02
shane4ubuntuwow, I must say I'm quite impressed with kde4, feels very snappy, and quick, smooth look, I'm impressed.19:04
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: Welcome to KDE19:04
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: thanks, I'm have been an Ubuntu user for quite some time and from time to time check out KDE, seems like KDE4 has really come a long way!19:05
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: The nice to hear part is that you really haven't even started to appreciate KDE yet :)19:08
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: right, in general looks good and feels smooth, I will have to test it out for a few days, but feels faster than it used to be.19:10
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: :-) What have you liked so far other than the speed?19:12
DaskreechDarthFrog: mounted read only :-p19:12
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: the looks of it, course I always liked the looks of kde4, just always seems slow and un-polished, I figured it would be nice once it was matured a bit.19:13
shane4ubuntuKDE3 was ok, and had the speed, but I didn't much care for the looks as much.19:13
DarthFrog Daskreech: Well, the solution seems somewhat obvious, no? :-^)19:16
shane4ubuntuI think it was better installing only kdebase versus the normal kubuntu-desktop  that way, I run the apps I have, and don't over-clutter my menus.  Perhaps that is what I like, Rhythmbox seems to run nice, so doesn't pidgin, tried kopete, but no irc integration.19:17
shane4ubuntuno offense to the kubuntu-desktop, as a clean install I'm sure it is nice, just not for a cross-over. :)19:17
DaskreechDarthFrog: :)19:18
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: near as I recall you hide all GNOME (or KDE) programs in the menu19:19
DaskreechLong as they are properly packaged19:19
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: right, but for the time being I would rather use them. :)  as time permits I will check out the kde apps.19:20
shane4ubuntustep by step, starting with the whole desktop, then apps.19:20
Daskreech:) ok well then may I point you at Krunner? it's quite useful19:21
shane4ubuntukrunner?  sure, I will have to check it out, what is it as an overview?19:22
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DarthFrogshane4ubuntu: It's a mini-CLI on steroids.19:28
shane4ubuntuohhh, that sounds really good!19:28
shane4ubuntuI use guake (I think it is a gnome knockoff of quake?  or something from kde)19:28
DarthFrogyakuake19:28
shane4ubuntuahh, yakuake. :)19:29
DarthFrog!yakuake19:29
DarthFrogI love it. :-)19:29
DarthFrogEven if the bot knows nothing about it.19:29
shane4ubuntuwhich krunner or yakuake?19:29
DarthFrogBoth. :-)19:30
shane4ubuntukrunner doesn't seem to be in repos, there are plasma-runners-*  and kdeplasma-addons19:30
DarthFrogFor those who don't know about yakuake, it's a function key (F12 by default) activated drop-down terminal (konsole-like) patterned after the one in Quake.19:31
shane4ubuntuyes, guake has become my right arm, only apt-get actually I don't even apt-get I have things modified in bashrc? with a bunch of short cuts, install, update, upgrade, search . :)19:31
shane4ubuntuguake is the same, I love it.19:31
abraxasHello, how can i set that "python" will be /usr/bin/python2.7 and not 2.6?19:33
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: Sorry got locked out19:33
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: it's the Mini CLI you get when you press alt+f219:33
Daskreechyou can open webpages remote servers or local directories etc from there19:34
Daskreechyou can also do fun things like press = then a mth equation19:34
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: no prob, DarthFrog was filling me in on it,19:35
DarthFrogabraxas: Set up a symlink in /etc/alternatives that points "python" to the desired executable.19:35
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: seems like that is already installed?  alt-f2 brings up a little window, like small console?  we have that in gnome too.19:35
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: yes. This is about equal as Gnome-do :)19:36
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: I use gauke though, the gnome style yakuake. f12 gives you a nice big terminal, always open. :)19:36
DarthFrogshane4ubuntu: Yeah, there's a lot of overlap in functionality between GNOME and KDE (and others, too).  I don't know about the GNOME mini-CLI but Krunner is extremely powerful.19:36
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: no, not gnome-do, I used that a little bit, but not much19:36
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: Ok jsut telling you that it's closer to Gnome-do than to the gnome Mini CLI19:37
shane4ubuntuperhaps I don't have krunner? what do I install?19:37
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: for fun try opening krunner and typing 32 F in C19:37
DarthFrogshane4ubuntu: Krunner is connected to the semantic desktop database and does tremendously much more than simply launch programs.19:37
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: you have it. That's the alt+f2  mini-cli19:37
shane4ubuntuahh, ok, yes, seems more like gnome-do19:38
shane4ubuntuhmm, 32 F just offered to open up a text doc. :-/19:38
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: type 32 F in C19:39
Daskreechthe in C part is important :)19:39
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: ha ha, ok, I see now.19:39
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shane4ubuntunada, nothing, I hit return, and it just kind of sets there, I'm probably missing something because I did a real light kde install.19:40
DaskreechWorks for nearly any thing else you can think of. acres in hectares, M in miles etc19:40
DarthFrogshane4ubuntu:  Try clicking on the icon to the left side of the little command window that looks like a graph.19:40
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: it doesn't run anything it just gives you the answer19:40
Daskreech though would be neat if hitting enter copied it into the clipboard19:40
andy__anyone else find that after latest updates from maverick-proposed the KDE panel icons (like application launchers or "show desktop" icon) don't work anymore?  clicking on them does nothing...19:40
DaskreechHmmm :-/19:41
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: I gotta get that, because I'm from the USA but live in Peru, so I'm always converting temps, sizes lots of stuff, that would be very handy19:41
andy__and also, the battery monitor suddenly started showing two batteries instead of the one that i actually have (with almost the same charge, i.e. it looks like it is picking up the same battery twice somehow)19:42
shane4ubuntuprobably would be plasma-runners-addons??  Daskreech19:42
shane4ubuntuor plasma-widget-runcommands   <-- that is probably it.19:43
yofelwhat, krunner?19:44
shane4ubuntuwell for the converter thing, 10 F to C19:45
shane4ubuntuyofel: seems I have krunner, but not the converter thing, I installed kdebase over my ubuntu install to check out KDE19:45
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: was giving me the low down on KDE tricks19:46
yofelhm, I have a pretty much full KDE installation, so I'm not sure what's missing19:46
yofelyep, seems to be plasma-runners-addons19:47
shane4ubuntuyofel: I installed a few things, but may need to restart plasma?  I'm not sure, if it is integrated, then probably, and I"m pretty sure plasma is the desktop. :)  kind of like gnome uses metacity.19:47
shane4ubuntuyofel: that is what I installed, so probably a log out and in, unless I can reset the desktop without logging out.  I know how to do that with metacity, but not sure on kde.19:48
yofelrather restart krunner, run: 'killall krunner && krunner' in krunner19:48
shane4ubuntuyofel: that did the trick!  Thanks!19:49
shane4ubuntuthat is very slick19:49
shane4ubuntuha ha, gotta love that!19:49
shane4ubuntuthanks Daskreech yofel !19:49
yofelIf you want to restart plasma itself use 'kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop'19:50
shane4ubuntuok, enough playing back to work. :)19:50
yofelkillall works too, but that should kill all unsaved settings too19:50
DarthFrogWork is a four-letter word and is not allowed language on this channel!  :-)19:50
shane4ubuntuyofel: ahh, ok, metacity is about the same, just wasn't sure what the plasma-desktop name was, or what damage it would do19:50
shane4ubuntuDarthFrog: lol. :)19:51
shane4ubuntuok, back to @$!#19:51
DarthFrogThat's better. :-)19:51
yofelnote: plasma-desktop is the desktop shell, NOT the window manager, that's kwin19:51
yofel(not sure how to restart that without logout)19:51
* shane4ubuntu makes mental knote of window manager and shell. 19:52
yofelrather compare plasma-destkop with nautilus for the desktop19:52
yofelwell, nautilus + gnome-panel19:52
shane4ubuntuactually nautilus is dolphine, that is why I'm having a hard time grasping plasma-desktop19:52
shane4ubuntuahhh, gnome-panel, yess, that would probably be the right comparison19:53
shane4ubuntuthat makes sense to me19:53
shane4ubuntuthanks all.19:53
* shane4ubuntu runs off to to some w@#%19:53
yofelshane4ubuntu: in gnome nautilus is the file manager but manages the desktop too, together with gnome-panel, in KDE dolphin is the file manager, plasma-desktop manages desktop and panel19:53
shane4ubuntuyofel: ohh, didn't realize nautilus was anything other than the file manager.19:54
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: Yeah plasma-runners sorry got called here19:54
yofelshane4ubuntu: nautilus it shows the desktop contents in gnome (and the background I think, not sure anymore)19:55
yofels/it//19:55
shane4ubuntunautilus - file manager and graphical shell for GNOME   < --   Looky there!19:55
yofelright19:55
shane4ubuntulearn something new every day.19:55
Daskreechyofel: kquitapp kwin && kwin ? or you could just kwin _-replace19:56
shane4ubuntuok, don't make me say the four letter w word again, I'm going to get booted from the chanel, I'm going back to w#$@      :)19:56
yofelDaskreech: k, never really tried that, once did it differently and failed19:56
shane4ubuntuSeems that wally doesn't work with kde4?  is there a background changer to use?  I use drapes in gnome20:00
DarthFrogshane4ubuntu: It's built-in to the deskop.20:01
shane4ubuntuDarthFrog: ohh, slick, in the settings thing?20:01
DarthFrogYeah, in Folder View Settings.20:01
DarthFrogRight-click on the desktop, select Folder View Settings.20:02
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: you can choose any combination of individual files and directories for it to cycle through20:03
Daskreechor you can have it read weather reports and change your desktop to reflect the upcoming weather20:03
Daskreech(which would be my choice) : )20:03
DarthFrogDaskreech: Hey, I didn't know that!  How do you do that?20:04
DarthFrog:-)20:04
shane4ubuntuwow, slick, see KDE is a bit more mature to have that stuff included, I like eye candy.20:04
DarthFrogshane4ubuntu: It's also a philosophical difference between GNOME and KDE.20:05
DarthFrogGNOME doesn't want you to have more than one way to do things (like Apple).  KDE wants to enable you to have it your way. :-)20:05
shane4ubuntuprobably, between lightness and niceness20:05
DarthFrogGNOME deliberately removes choice.20:06
DarthFrogFigures a lack of choice is more newbie friendly.20:06
shane4ubuntuhey hey, easy now, remember I'm a Gnome user. :)20:06
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: It is their mantra :)20:07
DarthFrogThat's not a criticism of GNOME (nor of you), rather it's a statement of fact.20:07
Daskreechif it's setup properly the first time then you don't need to change it. Giving the option to change it (visibly and easily) is confusing20:07
shane4ubuntukrunner needs a dictionary so I can look up mantra.20:07
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: It has onw20:07
Daskreechone20:07
DarthFrogThe various desktops are like women.  They all have their charms.20:07
Daskreecheither spell mantra or dict mantra  I forget which20:08
DarthFrogshane4ubuntu:  ALT-F2, dict:mantra20:08
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: that is probably true, and why gnome is simple to use20:08
phoenix_firebrdsounds not very formal20:08
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: Yep20:08
ludwig_Hey guys! I just installed Kubuntu 10.10 and seems like it can't find my soundcard. I've tried to purge pulseaudio and use Alsa, but same thing there.20:09
ludwig_Any tips? Thanks!20:09
shane4ubuntuDarthFrog: ahh, me and my light installs, I don't have the dict:word plugin apparently.20:09
DarthFrogReally?  Strange.  dict is a kioslave.20:09
phoenix_firebrdludwig_: internel or externel ?20:09
ludwig_internal20:09
phoenix_firebrdludwig_: whats your soundcard?20:10
DaskreechDarthFrog: he doesn't have to install the kioslaves20:10
ludwig_Hm.. Good question, lol. All I know is that's it's Realtek...20:10
ludwig_The Realtek HD drivers worked perfectly on Windows.20:10
DarthFrogludwig. try installing these packages: paprefs, padevchooser, pavucontrol and pavumeter.20:11
ludwig_Installing them now. :)20:11
DarthFrogludwig_: then  run "padevchooser" which will put an icon in your systray.20:12
ludwig_Yes, will do. Thanks man :)20:12
DarthFrognp20:12
skaftihey is there a skype for kubuntu20:12
skafti?20:12
ludwig_root@anonymous:~# padevchooser20:12
ludwig_** (padevchooser:2496): WARNING **: pa_browser_new() failed.20:12
DarthFrogludwig_: don't run it as root.20:13
DarthFrogludwig_: Root doesn't have display permissions, by default.20:13
ludwig_Still same output.20:13
ludwig_Oh okay, didn't know that. :)20:13
DarthFrogludwig_: Nobody has display permissions except the logged in user who owns the desktop.20:14
DarthFrogludwig_:  Run it as "sudo padevchooser" if you need root privs.20:15
ludwig_Yeah, thanks man. :) Well I ran padevchooser with my user which is currently logged in and same output..20:15
DarthFrogHmm, strange.  Don't know what to suggest.20:15
ludwig_Geuss I'll keep googling. Thanks for yout time mate. :)20:16
DarthFrogOther than "sudo padevchooser".20:16
phoenix_firebrdskafti: ya20:16
skafti_tryed to get it on skype.com and respetory did not find20:17
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: welcome back20:17
phoenix_firebrdskafti: try this http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/20:18
shane4ubuntulol, thanks, one more question, hide panel icons?  like apps that are running and have a notification icon, I think they can be hidden in kde right?20:18
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: you meant the task manager entries ?20:18
skafti_thanx man20:19
phoenix_firebrdskafti: enjoy20:19
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: hmm, probably, the ones down by the clock20:19
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: Ah those umm .... yes I just don't recall how it's done now20:19
DaskreechI use to jsut make a new panel and put the System tray there then hide the panel20:20
skaftiwhat version ? sorry just swiched from win20:20
skaftilike a little baby :)20:20
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: lol, that was my solution for gnome. :)  I was 90% sure KDE could do this.20:20
skaftihavent got the whole concept yet20:21
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: It can! Just .. I was lazy and wanted the whole lower panel for the task manager20:21
phoenix_firebrdskafti: are you talking to me?20:22
Daskreechskafti: Welcome to Linux!20:22
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: ahh, ok, I think they are called, system-tray icons??20:22
skaftihehe im trying my best...almost20:22
skaftiyes phoenix talking to you20:22
skaftithanks daskreech20:22
phoenix_firebrdskafti: welcome to linux20:22
skaftigot trough the printerproblem today20:23
skaftieverything is a  climb...20:23
Daskreechskafti: yeah it can be20:23
phoenix_firebrdskafti: its untill you learn a little bit about linux20:23
skafti_yep everything is complexed until you learn it20:24
skafti_but what version should download20:24
skafti_of skype i mean20:24
GinoManhey, I have linux on a 200 gb hard drive, and then I have a 1TB that's partitioned and has windows 7 on one of the partitions20:24
GinoManthe other two are empty20:25
phoenix_firebrdskafti: ubuntu 8.10+ 32bit20:25
skafti_i have 64 tryed it just now20:25
GinoManhow do you disable the guid thing20:25
phoenix_firebrdskafti: working?20:26
skaftinobb faled to open20:26
GinoManso that pluging in and removing the 1TB doesn't break booting of linux20:26
GinoMangrub is on the linux drive20:26
phoenix_firebrdskafti: try 32 bit20:26
skaftiyep ill do that20:27
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: got it, ;)  clicked on the plasma corner thing on the panel, then rolled over to system-tray and clicked on the wrench to configure it.  I knew it could be done20:27
DaskreechGinoMan: don't you mean You want th UUID ?20:27
shane4ubuntuI may get hooked on KDE. :)20:27
adsok, I still have a problem with resolvconf: the dhcp server is providing dns server and search name, but only the search name is added to resolv.conf. What's wrong?20:27
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: It will annoy the hell out of you20:27
Daskreechads: I'd presume the DHCP server isn't broadcasting the BIND server aswell20:28
shane4ubuntuads can I recommend wicd?20:28
adsshane4ubuntu: no ;-)20:28
adsDaskreech: it is20:28
GinoMan... I want it so that it's not root=guid=2352wfefwf22-23423vsdfw-2342sdsrg23f-234fwdfser2320:28
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: You will be waiting on KDE 4.6 and they will be talking about cool things in KDE 4.7 and 4.8 that you can't wait to get your hands on20:28
adsThe problem must be in NetworkManager or somewhere later.20:28
GinoManI made the number up20:29
DaskreechGinoMan: I know20:29
adsNetworkManager itself shows that it got the dns server(s).20:29
GinoManinstead of (hd#,#)20:29
DaskreechGinoMan: change it to be /dev/sda320:29
shane4ubuntuads ok, but it is much simpler than messing with network manager, however depends on what you are setting up.20:29
Daskreechah grub20:29
Daskreech!UUID20:29
ubottuTo see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)20:29
Daskreech!grub220:30
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub220:30
DaskreechGinoMan: ^^^^20:30
shane4ubuntuGinoMan: is grub not installed? or not loading?20:30
adsshane4ubuntu: just an kubuntu 10.1020:31
skaftiCould not open 'skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.81-1_i386.deb.part'20:32
skaftiThe package might be corrupted or you are not allowed to open the file. Check the permissions of the file.20:32
shane4ubuntuads wicd rules for a normal install, I set my IP and DNS and love wicd20:32
shane4ubuntuskafti are you on 386 or 64bit?20:32
shane4ubuntuskafti I mean 32bit or 64bit. :)20:33
broddanHello. I have a problem with my sound. It works when I use Spotify, but not in VLC or Youtube (Firefox). I use Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02). What can I do_20:33
skafti64bit20:33
skaftii tryed that first20:34
shane4ubuntuskafti I think you are going to need a 64bit deb, let me double check that20:34
adsshane4ubuntu: ok, to be clear: I don't want to do workarounds, I just want the default install working ;-)20:34
shane4ubuntuads: no prob, I can understand that, wicd isn't a work around it is a replacement, I never can get network management to do what I want it to, but that is just personal.20:35
GinoManit's installed and loads, the problem is... I had the 1TB, and the 200GB in, I installed grub on the 200GB first and then installed windows 7, then I booted from a live cd, chrooted into the linux drive, did grub-install20:35
GinoManand then used it for a while, then I gutted the 1TB for a while, Linux booted fine.20:35
GinoManreinserted the 1TB again and booted, windows 7 boots fine, Linux won't boot20:36
GinoManGrub seems to work just fine20:36
shane4ubuntuGinoMan: if you can get into linux via chroot, or other run grub-update  and that should re-configure grub20:36
shane4ubuntuGinoMan: a newer version of Ubuntu right?20:37
shane4ubuntuGinoMan: reconfiguring grub should* automatically pickup any and all installations of everything in the system.20:37
GinoManI know20:37
GinoManthe problem wasn't then20:38
GinoManI know how to set up Grub after windows was installed next to a previous linux install20:38
Daskreechskafti: the .part may be a problem :)20:47
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: ads isn't doing network management more like network administration20:48
adsDaskreech: ?20:48
adsThis is just for my laptop20:48
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: wicd, rocks. :)20:48
adsAlthough this laptop has to connect to many different networks, often hotels or company networks. Each providing his own dns.20:49
adsIt sucks to always edit /etc/resolv.conf manually.20:49
skaftipart ?20:49
shane4ubuntuwicd, quick and easy20:49
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: Does indeed. Annoying all the others require you to login to get net :(20:49
Daskreechskafti: skype-ubuntu-intrepid_2.1.0.81-1_i386.deb.part20:50
Daskreechthe .part means that it hasnt 'downloaded20:50
adsI'm not even exactly sure, if this is a network problem.20:50
Daskreechit's on'y part of the file20:50
skaftiseems to be going up now20:50
adsok, here we go:   http://pastebin.com/EyLNzy3A20:52
skafti_went up20:52
shane4ubuntuskafti  sorry, I left you hanging, got side tracked, isn't skype in the repos?  It is in mine.20:52
adsNetworkManager actually sees the dns-server provided by dhcp. But this dns-server never makes it into resolv.conf20:52
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: ???20:52
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: hmm ?20:52
skaftinp my old lady stole the computer and let me change the diper :))20:53
skaftion the babe20:53
skaftihehehe20:53
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: well, wicd does require you to log in, but it remembers the settings and the next time no need to.20:53
Daskreechads: why is your nameserver 127.0.0.1 ?20:53
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: when I travel with my laptop, mine remembers place I have been before20:53
adsDaskreech: because I have a local bind running20:54
Daskreechshane4ubuntu: actually if you go to the login screen wicd has already connected and you can ssh into the machine over wireless20:54
adsDaskreech: slave for some zone's I'm usually using.20:54
Daskreechads: ah so what's the problem then?20:54
adsDaskreech: the other dns-servers never make it into /etc/resolv.conf20:55
Daskreechjust point your local bind to an authority externally if it fails and you'll be fine20:55
shane4ubuntuDaskreech: through wicd?  I didn't know that, I always use terminal for that.20:55
adsDaskreech: I want /etc/resolv.conf to include whatever dhcp is providing. Because often I need to use the provided dns for some login stuff (like sever hotel chains are using)20:56
skafti_but thanks alot man ! cheers for you20:56
Daskreechwell if they are publishing it then you should pick it up. check your prepend DNS in teh dhclient config though that may be affecting it20:57
adsDaskreech: to be true, if I remove the "prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in http://pastebin.com/EyLNzy3A then resolv.conf still only has 127.0.0.1 in it.20:58
adsI don't know where this values comes from.20:58
adsAlthough if I remove this line, then NetworkManager only shows the dns-servers from dhcp - but still resolv.conf only ends up with 127.0.0.120:59
olskolircis there a free pdf just on kubuntu please?21:01
ImagineerI am trying out the KDE-PIM packages.  In general, I like what I saw but...   the kmail integration was failing.  After reading the boards, the apparent solution is to try the 4.6 beta release21:02
ImagineerHow do I install the KDE-PIM 4.6b ?21:03
Imagineerit's not in the software center21:03
ImagineerI've added the beta and experimental ppa's21:04
allee-kolskolirc: you mean pdf viewer?   -> okular21:08
Imagineeranyone using the 4.6 beta?21:08
allee-kads: is resolvconf pkg installed?21:08
olskolircno allee a BOOK21:08
olskolircokular is jut a reader21:09
allee-kImagineer: I do21:09
ubuntuРусские есть?21:09
skaftinow the next mountain........ can i gt a webcam working on this21:09
Daskreecholskolirc: what?21:09
Daskreechskafti: install kamoso21:10
skaftiyes sir21:10
olskolircmy friend is looking for kubuntu for dummies instead of ubuntu for dummies Daskreech is there a free pdf out there?21:10
olskolircwere getting the run around Daskreech21:10
allee-kImagineer: for maverick: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu maverick main21:10
adsallee-k: yes, 1.46ubuntu121:11
skaftiis that found in the respetory ?21:11
allee-kads: then check the /etc/resolvconf tree.  There are files (pre)pended and scripts that together determine what's in resolv.conf21:11
allee-kads: if you don't know why you need resolvconf.  remove the pkg.  The networkmanger creates the resolv.conf with whatever the dhcp server provides21:12
ImagineerEggfoo21:13
skafti_googled camoso kubuntu got three results 2 in spanish and one in italian i think21:13
adsallee-k: hmmmmm21:14
adsallee-k: I don't know why it's installed - probably some dependency21:14
skafti_not in respitory21:15
allee-kads: maybe it's your local bind server install.  If your have with the dhcp server provided the dhcpd, remove resolvconf.21:16
adsI'll try.21:17
adsHere at home it works smoothless. I will try next week when I'm in a hotel.21:18
Daskreecholskolirc: Ah. they are for the most part the same. The interfaces are different but the underlying thigns are the same21:18
Daskreecholskolirc: I can't think of a Kubuntu for dummies book but I'd think if they can get through the Ubuntu one theywill be able to wrangle with Kubuntu21:19
Imagineerallee-k: I'm using lucid.  Is the pim beta not available in the lucid library?21:19
DaskreechGiven they have some basic understanding of computer21:19
Daskreechs21:19
olskolircgreak Daskreech where can i get a ubuntu for dummies pdf?21:22
genii-aroundhttp://www.kubuntu.org/documentation.php21:23
genii-aroundIs fairly comprehensive21:23
genii-aroundoops they moved it, sorry21:24
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naught101is it possible to get gnome app menu bars to show up in the "window menu bar" plasma widget?21:57
naught101also, is it possible to get the window titlebars to hide a la the plasma netbook scheme in the desktop theme?22:00
shane4ubuntuok, just figured out those plasma thingys can go on my desktop or the panel, now that is impressive!22:13
shane4ubuntuis there a shortcut key so I can see them and then hide them?22:14
Walzmynshane4ubuntu: i think they become part of the desktop22:17
shane4ubunturight, I think, but they kind of float there, I found clicking the upper left corner lets me see them, ie clears the desktop.22:18
shane4ubuntuI have added the temperature monitor, but it doesn't pick anything up? in Gnome it was reporting everything, what am I missing?22:19
shane4ubuntuOh, and ctrl-F12 does that too!  shows the widgets.22:20
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