[04:47] <sagaci> hey #lubuntu, I've tried installing lubuntu onto my laptop and it doesn't seem to want to recognise my windows ntfs partition for grub, any ideas? i've tried sudo update-grub but it only sees the linux partitions
[04:47] <sagaci> fdisk -l shows that it's still there
[04:50] <phillw> sagaci: one moment ...
[04:51] <sagaci> no hurry
[04:52] <phillw> sagaci: which version of lubuntu are you using?
[04:52] <sagaci> 10.10
[04:53] <sagaci> i've installed ubuntu kubuntu 10.10 on this laptop, the only thing i've done differently was download updates when it was installing (i usually don't do that)
[04:55] <phillw> sagaci: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623346
[04:55] <phillw> samba is not part of the default in 10.10 (it is in 11.04)
[04:59] <sagaci> thanks for the help phill... i'll try that, reboot etc.
[06:44] <sagaci> hi again, I tried those instructions that phill gave me but sudo update-grub isn't seeing my ntfs partitions :(
[06:46] <phillw> sagaci: that's most odd :(
[06:48] <sagaci> http://pastebin.com/mLNHuBV9
[06:48] <phillw> sagaci: I've got to confess, that I am stumped on it. some of the people who have more experience than me should be on in the next few hours, if you can be patient. Else use the mailing list via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
[06:51] <sagaci> i know but thanks for your time. Unfortunately I think it's one of these things that would be easier to reinstall lubuntu or ubuntu and see what happens
[06:54] <phillw> sagaci: I think the system is fine, it's just getting it to see your windows partition. I'd advise a little patience until one of the guys comes on who is more familiar with such issues.
[06:55] <phillw> you can manually update grub to see areas that auto-probe is not seeing, but gvfs-backport should have enabled that for you.
[06:56] <sagaci> so how can I manually do that, or should I man update-grub
[07:04] <phillw> sagaci: is the area ntfs?
[07:05] <sagaci> what area
[07:10] <sagaci> phillw, PHILL
[07:11] <phillw> sagaci: have a read of http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows he's one of the forum moderators, and his tutorials are the dog's testicles :P
[07:11] <sagaci> os-prober wasn't installed by default
[07:11] <sagaci> i fixed it
[07:11] <sagaci> it usually is in ubuntu :/
[07:12] <phillw> it is on the cd, but does not get installed - hopefully fixed in the 10.10.1 release.
[07:12] <sagaci> either that or the live install didn't find ntfs partition (which there were) and uninstalled the packaged at the end
[07:12] <sagaci> well either way it didn't work on the install
[07:13] <sagaci> well my laptop will be on lubuntu for a while
[07:13] <phillw> sagaci: my apologies, I thought that thread i posted you covered it. the full notes are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat/
[07:17] <phillw> sagaci: now promise not to tell szczur about this :P
[07:41] <sagaci> thanks for all of your help
[15:01] <gilir> hi here :)
[15:01] <gilir> if people want to work on bugs today, just ping me if you need help :)
[15:23] <flomar34> bonjour,
[15:23] <flomar34> not sure it's a real bug
[15:23] <flomar34> with natty, there is no wallpapers by default
[15:24] <flomar34> tested on virtualbox with today's update
[15:28] <Yorvyk> flomar34, known problem
[15:33] <flomar34> ok, thanks :)
[15:35] <gilir> flomar34, it should be fixed if you install and update Alpha 1 :)
[15:43] <flomar34> I've installed alpha1 the day after it's out and updated today but wallpaper is black(there is nothing in the preferences)
[15:44] <flomar34> I can't find too the launcher for file roller (i don't know if it's needed)
[15:49] <gilir> flomar34, do you have something in your home, and .config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf ?
[15:49] <gilir> and there is no launcher for file-roller, it should be launched only by the files manager
[15:51] <flomar34> in config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf
[15:51] <flomar34> wallpaper=
[15:52] <flomar34> wallpaper_mode=0
[15:53] <gilir> flomar34, you probably reset your wallpaper setting when you saw it was black :)
[15:53] <flomar34> ok, i do understand
[15:53] <gilir> flomar34, just set the wallpaper to /usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers/lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png
[15:54] <bioterror> [desktop]
[15:54] <bioterror> wallpaper_mode=0
[15:54] <bioterror> wallpaper=/usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers/lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png
[15:54] <bioterror> shows black
[15:54] <gilir> bioterror, using natty up-to-date ?
[15:54] <bioterror> 17packages to upgrade
[15:54] <bioterror> upgrading now
[15:54] <bioterror> gilir, someone broke the icon packages from lubuntu?
[15:55] <bioterror> on natty
[15:55] <gilir> not broken, update to 2.6 :)
[15:55] <gilir> ah yes, it's broken,
[15:56] <gilir> bioterror, just set the theme to elementary, waiting for the fix
[15:57] <gilir> the fix was commited, we just need to wait it appears in the repository : lubuntu-artwork 0.12
[15:57] <bioterror> oky
[15:57] <bioterror> kay
[15:57] <bioterror> not going to upgrade this laptop ;)
[15:58] <bioterror> this one has working icons :D
[16:01] <gilir> the new elementary icon theme is quite nice ;)
[16:02] <bioterror> trying to think bugs
[16:02] <bioterror> oh yes
[16:02] <bioterror> with pcmanfm
[16:02] <bioterror> it doesnt show all drives which I've got mounted on fstab
[16:03] <bioterror> I've got 2 SATA, 1 PATA and two USB drives on my desktop
[16:06] <gilir> bioterror, you have gvfs and gvfs-backends installed ?
[16:13] <flomar34> If you go "menu://applications/DesktopSettings" there is no icon for monitor settings
[16:13] <flomar34> with 10.10 or 11.04
[16:15] <gilir> flomar34, right, do you want to report the bug ?
[16:16] <gilir> flomar34, you need to run "ubuntu-bug lxinput" and following the instructions
[16:21] <flomar34> but, there is no icon= in the .desktop file.  Could it be only this problem?
[16:22] <gilir> flomar34, it is the problem :)
[16:23] <gilir> but it's useful to report bugs, so we don't froget to fix them
[16:23] <gilir> you can also provide a possible solution in the bug report
[16:23] <bioterror> gilir, I just remembered that hmmm lubuntu-default widget is huge if you compare to clearlooks. it affects the "menu"'s.
[16:24] <Yorvyk> Is here an icon for lxrandr?
[16:24] <bioterror> it's from the customize look and feel
[16:24]  * bioterror luvs hunt a bug day
[16:24] <gilir> Yorvyk, ho, you're right, it's lxrandr, not lxinput
[16:25] <gilir> bioterror, it doesn't seems so big in my testing system, could you provide screenshots about this ?
[16:26] <Yorvyk> gilir, I spent 10 mins looking for 'Monitor Settings' before I realised
[16:28] <Yorvyk> flomar34,  you need 'ubuntu-bug lxrandr' to report the bug
[16:29] <Yorvyk> flomar34, not 'lxinput'
[16:30] <Yorvyk> gilir, I’ve had a look at Bug #677715 which to me isn’t a bug and have responded as such.
[16:33] <gilir> Yorvyk, yes, it's not really a bug, and if it is, all terminals have the same problem
[16:36] <Yorvyk> gilir, It doesn’t effect the command that’s typed in.  So I think it should be marked invalid and tell them to wait for the prompt if they don’t like the look of it.
[16:37] <gilir> Yorvyk, yes
[16:38] <Yorvyk> OK I mark it invalid
[16:38] <Yorvyk> with a comment
[16:40] <flomar34> Yorvyk: Ok done, thanks
[16:41] <Yorvyk> flomar34, what number is the bug report?
[16:45] <flomar34> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxrandr/+bug/688619
[16:46] <Yorvyk> flomar34,  Thank you.
[16:47] <gilir> thank flomar34 :)
[16:48]  * gilir gives a cookie for flomar34, with the first bug reported of the day :)
[16:49]  * gilir gives also a cookie for Yorvyk, for the first bug closed of the day :)
[16:49] <Yorvyk> Ta
[16:49] <Yorvyk> Nom Nom
[16:53] <Yorvyk> So Bug #68861, we need an icon
[16:53] <Yorvyk> So Bug #688619, we need an icon
[16:54] <gilir> a generic one would be nice, as it will change with icon theme
[16:56] <Yorvyk> Lxterminal.png would do.  As used in the LCC
[16:58] <gilir> Yorvyk, but it should be relative to "screen" or "settings", not a terminal
[16:59] <gilir> something like Icon=preferences-desktop-display should be nice
[17:04] <flomar34> may be this is just me, if i go in the preferences , time and date, i can't unlock it
[17:08] <gilir> flomar34, when you click on the yellow stuff, it's do nothing ?
[17:09] <flomar34> no, just nothing
[17:12] <gilir> flomar34, could you launch time-admin in a terminal and post the output in http://paste.ubuntu.com/ ?
[17:16] <flomar34> http://paste.ubuntu.com/541955/
[17:16] <flomar34> Using 2 computers so it's a bit long
[17:21] <gilir> flomar34, yes, I have this too, could you report a bug with ubuntu-bug gnome-system-tools ?
[17:29] <flomar34> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/688651
[17:30] <gilir> flomar34, thanks,
[17:35] <gilir> flomar34, you can also add more informations, like if it's work on a normal Ubuntu Natty Alpha 1 iso
[17:35] <gilir> I'm sure bug triagers of Ubuntu bugs will ask this :)
[17:47] <flomar34> ok, if it's needed, i will test with ubuntu natty
[17:49] <Yorvyk> flomar34, Save you time, it doesn’t work with Ubuntu Natty
[17:50] <Yorvyk> either
[17:52] <flomar34> Yorvyk: thanks for the information
[17:57] <flomar34> There is no client mail in "peferred appication", it's what it is expected?
[17:58] <Yorvyk> flomar34, it is set if you click on the arrows on the right
[17:58] <bioterror> gilir, well, clearlooks just has better dimensions or how I can put that in words
[17:59] <bioterror> it's not too big, too small, it's perfect if you compare to what lubuntu-default is
[18:00] <flomar34> Yorvyk: yes, but as chromium was set , i was wondered just why sylpheed wasn't set as mail client default
[18:03] <Yorvyk> flomar34, I suppose it is a bug, as it should display with out having to click it.
[18:04] <Yorvyk> Dinner is served, see you all later :)
[18:07] <gilir> flomar34, yes, already reported : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/575340
[18:07] <gilir> bioterror, it's difficult to understand with works :)
[18:08] <gilir> Yorvyk, could you add the information on the bug report about time-admin ?
[18:09] <bioterror> gilir, you can open lxterminal, then you can open Customize look and feel
[18:09] <bioterror> and apply Clearlooks & Lubuntu-default
[18:09] <bioterror> and you see how much lubuntu-default takes space from window space with just making that "menu section" bigger
[18:11] <bioterror> well, that's not a big thing, just stupid cosmetics which just annoys me
[18:12] <gilir> bioterror, well, I can see the difference, but not seems so big :)
[18:13] <gilir> bioterror, you can report a bug with ubuntu-bug lubuntu-artwork, I'm sure Raphael will answer you :)
[18:13] <bioterror> you think so
[18:23] <bioterror> taking reboot with my laptop
[18:23] <bioterror> let's see what's broken
[18:24] <flomar34> That seems to be very stable for the first alpha
[18:24] <flomar34> for a simple user like me of course :)
[18:24] <gilir> good to hear :)
[18:26] <bioterror> elementarys volume icon looks... stupid ;)
[18:27] <gilir> ha ? didn't see that
[18:28] <bioterror> and now I dont get that slider bar :D
[18:28] <gilir> I think you see more strange things than me :)
[18:28] <bioterror> urxvt was changed
[18:29] <bioterror> I had to say expoter TERM=xterm
[18:29] <bioterror> export
[18:29] <bioterror> Cannot find terminfo entry for 'rxvt-256color'.
[18:29] <bioterror> annoying :D
[18:29] <bioterror> sad157@dopethrone:~$ nano .profile
[18:29] <bioterror> Error opening terminal: rxvt-256color.
[18:30] <bioterror> :)
[18:31] <bioterror> added that to /etc/bashrc.bashrc
[18:33] <gilir> bioterror, working for me
[18:33] <gilir> without the export
[19:10] <Yorvyk> gilir, been looking at Bug #670561 which I can reproduce but, it appears to be cured in Natty even though they use the same version of lxterminal
[19:10] <ika> hello :)
[19:10] <ika> .
[19:10] <Yorvyk> o/
[19:12] <gilir> Yorvyk, you can reproduce on 10.10, and you can also confirmed that it's fixed in 11.04 ?
[19:14] <Yorvyk> gilir, yes
[19:16] <gilir> Yorvyk, I think you can set it as Fix Released, describing this, and add that people can re-open it if it's not fixed for them
[19:16] <Yorvyk> OK
[19:17] <Yorvyk> gilir, what is the fix though, if both have the same version of lxterminal
[19:18] <gilir> Yorvyk, probably something other than lxterminal, deeper in the stack
[19:19] <Yorvyk> OK
[19:19] <gilir> sometimes, you should not try to understand why bugs are solved :p
[19:20] <Yorvyk> :)
[19:48] <pip_> dare I attempt a release upgrade to natty, or leave it a few more days, python & all that?
[19:53] <Yorvyk> Why not, what can possibly go wrong :D
[19:54] <pip_> haha, well I forced it the other day & lubuntu wouldnt boot
[19:54] <Yorvyk> gilir, are there any bugs you’d like to be looked at?
[19:54] <pip_> I should have taken heed of the warning :)
[19:57] <Yorvyk> pip_, Intel graphics?
[19:59] <pip_> yeah,on board
[20:01] <pip_> I'm on a laptop
[20:05] <Yorvyk> pip_, there was a problem a few days back that effected Intel graphics.  The two machines I’m running Natty on at the moment are Intel based and after the first failed I left the other, just upgrading now.  I’ll let you know the results.
[20:05] <pip_> Yorvyk: so I'm guessing Intel graphics=baaaaad.....
[20:06] <pip_> sorry I hadn't read what you wrote there
[20:06] <pip_> I'd appreciate that Yorvyk :)
[20:06] <bioterror> hmmmm gilir, my look and feel crashes when I try to change to elementary
[20:07] <Yorvyk> pip_, Intel a fiddling with the drivers and there are problems with some of the older chipsets but, it’s getting better.
[20:08] <pip_> yeah, I think this is pretty ancient, well I KNOW it is.....
[20:09] <bioterror> OBJECT (object)' failed
[20:09] <bioterror> Segmentation fault
[20:09] <bioterror> awesum!
[20:19] <gilir> Yorvyk, no, just take what you want :)
[20:19] <bioterror> how can I trace why my lxappearance segfaults when I try to change icon theme?
[20:20] <gilir> bioterror, backtrace ! :)
[20:21] <gilir> bioterror, is apport pop-up when the crash occurs ?
[20:21] <bioterror> nope
[20:21] <gilir> bioterror, ok, so you need to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs#Manual Backtrace
[20:22] <gilir> don't forget to install lxappearance-dbg
[20:23] <bioterror> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[20:23] <bioterror> 0x00007ffff60d8448 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
[20:23] <gilir> bioterror, install also libc6-dbg
[20:24] <gilir> and you need to pastebin the whole backtrace, not only the last line :)
[20:24] <bioterror> gilir, http://ricecows.org/gdb-lxappearance.txt
[20:25] <gilir> bioterror, you need to redo it after you install more dbg packages
[20:25] <gilir> when you see a "No symbol table info available.", it means there is a missing dbg
[20:25] <bioterror>  libc6-dbg : Depends: libc6 (= 2.12.1-0ubuntu9) but 2.12.1-0ubuntu10 is to be installed
[20:26] <gilir> argh :/
[20:26] <bioterror> and as you noticed, this is happening with AMD64
[20:27] <gilir> bioterror, try also to install libglib2.0-0-dbg libgtk2.0-0-dbg
[20:27] <bioterror> my laptop with i686 has no problems
[20:29] <bioterror> gilir, http://ricecows.org/gdb-lxappearance2.txt
[20:30] <gilir> bioterror, better :)
[20:30] <bioterror> is it any help?
[20:31] <gilir> bioterror, yes, do you see the difference between the 2 backtraces ?
[20:31] <bioterror> my desktop is really ugly atm :D
[20:31] <bioterror> nope, I'm not a backtracer ;)
[20:31] <bioterror> ahhh
[20:31] <bioterror> second one has a lot more information
[20:32] <gilir> yes :)
[20:32] <bioterror> can you see what crashes it?
[20:33] <gilir> well, it seems to be a bug directly in gtk
[20:33] <bioterror> okay
[20:33]  * phillw passes round coffee, beer, wine, cake and biscuits... As I'm not a programmer, all of this is way over my head - but it does seem to be going well :)
[20:36] <gilir> bioterror, when you will be able to install libc6-dbg, please redo the backtrace and open a bug against lxappearance, attaching the backtrace to the report, I'll add details for the devs
[20:37] <whatthefunk> hello?
[20:38] <bioterror> gilir, you gotta remind me
[20:39] <whatthefunk> can anybody tell me how to install drivers on lubuntu 10.10?
[20:40] <bioterror> what drivers
[20:40] <bioterror> drivers are usually in kernel and you can load modules to kernel
[20:40] <whatthefunk> driver for an intel 815 series graphics card
[20:41] <whatthefunk> ive just installed lubuntu and am having serious resolution problems
[20:43] <bioterror> xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
[20:43] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[20:44] <Yorvyk> Which is installed by default
[20:44] <bioterror> yes, should be
[20:46] <whatthefunk> yeah, seems that was already installed
[20:46] <whatthefunk> so...
[20:46] <whatthefunk> im stumped again on my resolution problem
[20:46] <bioterror> you need to reconfigure your X
[20:46] <bioterror> and change the screen resolution from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:46] <whatthefunk> ive tried that a hunred times with no success
[20:46] <whatthefunk> yep, tried that
[20:46] <bioterror> well
[20:46] <bioterror> give us your xorg.conf
[20:47] <bioterror> !pastebin whatthefunk
[20:47] <bioterror> !pastebin | whatthefunk
[20:47] <whatthefunk> how do you get xorg.conf?  (im very new to linux...)
[20:48] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f1 (you will go to TTY)
[20:48] <bioterror> login with your username and password
[20:48] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm stop
[20:48] <bioterror> sudo Xorg -configure
[20:48] <bioterror> sudo mv xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:49] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm start
[20:49] <bioterror> ctrl+alt+f7
[20:49] <bioterror> but I'm off to talk with out guests
[20:49] <bioterror> since they drove 300km to meet us
[20:50] <whatthefunk> sounds resonable
[20:52] <whatthefunk> all that just closed up...did somthing happen?
[20:54] <whatthefunk> ...
[20:56] <gilir> Yorvyk, if you set a bug "In progress", you need to affect the one which is actualy fixing the bug :)
[20:57] <flomar34> whatthefunk: i have a intel i815 graphic chipset
[20:57] <gilir> Yorvyk, in the case of the lxrandr icon, just set it as Confirmed, I'll probably  set it as Triage later
[20:57] <flomar34> here is my xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/542030/
[20:57] <flomar34> i need this to have a 1024x768 resolution
[20:59] <Yorvyk> gilir, OK
[21:32] <flomar34> good bye every body
[21:49] <pip_> anyone any ideas about what I may need to do to get sound?
[21:49] <mark76> Find the pulse audio settings app
[21:50] <pip_> as in find & install or find & mess with?
[21:51] <mark76> Find and install probably
[21:51] <mark76> It wouldn't surprise me if it's not installed by default
[21:52] <pip_> h'mmmmm
[21:54] <Yorvyk> gilir, Bug #686526 confirmed
[22:01] <Yorvyk> pip_, I’ve upgraded my natty machine and it is all OK and the one that messed up is now OK
[22:02] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[22:02] <kosaidpo> any idea how ican make all usb ports fo my modem woks cus in wvdial.conf only one its decalred so yeah http://pastebin.com/Y4ZeYv5X
[22:02] <gilir> Yorvyk, thanks, so next step is to report it upstream, since we have the last version in Natty
[22:02] <gilir> Yorvyk, do you want to do it ?
[22:04] <pip_> excellent, thanks Yorvyk I'll try it tomorrow.  I'm having some issues with this box at the moment
[22:04] <pip_> Also, I seem to have the password problem I recall you mentioning
[22:05] <pip_> This box is a mini iso install BTW
[22:06] <gilir> Yorvyk, hum, maybe it's already fixed upstream, I'll add some information to the bug report
[22:09] <phillw> gilir: Yorvyk, kosaidpo has been trying for a few days, and bioterror has been helping. but we cannot seem to get a resolution to the issue. I'm fairly sure it is a bug, as it was working before.
[22:11] <gilir> phillw, with chance, it will be fixed in 0.9.9 :)
[22:11] <kosaidpo> phillw: sory but in what bug
[22:12] <phillw> kosaidpo: the fact your usb ports are not working
[22:12] <kosaidpo> gilir: any idea how to make all my usb port work when i plug my modem cus now i have to plug in in certain one only
[22:12] <kosaidpo> phillw: no there
[22:13] <kosaidpo> http://pastebin.com/Y4ZeYv5X in the file if ichoose one only and plug in it the modem it works while me iwanna handel em all at once
[22:13] <gilir> kosaidpo, no idea
[22:13] <phillw> kosaidpo: I *think* the bug is related to once a usb port has been assigned to modem, it will only work on that one?
[22:14] <phillw> I've seen similar when I was running Windows, if I changed the usb port for my usb 3G device it had to totally re-install itself.
[22:14] <kosaidpo> phillw , gilir i mean cus its declared in its config file check this any idea how ican make all usb ports fo my modem cus in its .conf only one its decalred so yeah http://pastebin.com/Y4ZeYv5X
[22:14] <kosaidpo> phillw: yeh isaw that too well lame windows what do you expect ?
[22:19] <kosaidpo> guys with cmmd i wanna kill the pid in th end ps -u root |grep wvdial
[22:20] <kosaidpo> shud i add kill $0 ??
[22:20] <kosaidpo> or what ?
[22:20] <kosaidpo> how can i get the etuned value ?
[22:20] <kosaidpo> so ican kill
[22:27] <kosaidpo> wow so quit
[22:31] <Yorvyk> The moment anybody mentions 3G Modems I think most people go quiet.
[22:31] <kosaidpo> Yorvyk: haha why ?? does have a calmin effect?
[22:32] <kosaidpo>  how can i kill the returned value by this cmmd ps -u root |grep wvdial
[22:32] <kosaidpo> i tried kill $0 didint work
[22:34] <Yorvyk> kosaidpo, they frazzle peoples brains when they refuse to work
[22:35] <kosaidpo> Yorvyk: how can i kill the returned value by this cmmd ps -u root |grep wvdial | kill $0 doesnt wok
[22:47] <Yorvyk> gilir, what did you want me to do?
[22:48] <gilir> Yorvyk, nothing now, maybe I'll make a patch to fix this later
[22:49] <Yorvyk> gilir,  OK,  I was having connection problems and bits of the conversation seem to be missing.
[22:53] <kosaidpo> how can i kill the returned value by this cmmd ps -u root |grep wvdial
[22:53] <kosaidpo> i add kill $0 it deoesnt work
[23:04] <Yorvyk> kosaidpo,  $0 won’t work because that’s the name of the script
[23:05] <Yorvyk> echo $0 will return /bin/bash after you run the commands
[23:05] <kosaidpo> Yorvyk: its only a cmmd not a script then $1?
[23:05] <kosaidpo> wud work ?
[23:06] <Yorvyk> No, I’ve tried that
[23:06] <kosaidpo> so icant kill it in the same cmmd ?
[23:09] <Yorvyk> kosaidpo,  have a look at pkill