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BUGabundoalong with several other dozens peeps00:00
bjsnideryou have peeps?00:01
h3sp4wnI don't know what people see in chrome os (Android yes but using a browser all the time no thanks don't like having to use an ajax xterm clone (thats bound to be buggy)00:02
bjsniderall software has bugs00:03
h3sp4wnYeah but at least the people writing xterm know what they are doing00:04
h3sp4wnbjsnider: Tex is pretty bug free00:05
bjsnidergoogle's hackers a pretty good at what they do00:05
bjsnideri'm confident they know what they are doing00:05
h3sp4wnI am not time will tell - Rather just have android and native apps (intel's android looks interesting)00:07
h3sp4wnI think MS is doing as well as anyone for browsers these days (neither mozilla or google want to make it easy for people to stop being tracked)00:08
bjsnideri'm sure there's some extension for that00:09
bjsnider...like trackmenot00:09
bjsniderwhich has been around for many years00:09
h3sp4wnThere is but I want it to be the default00:09
h3sp4wnAnd built in to the browser00:10
h3sp4wn(firefox had this code working and the CEO got it reverted)00:10
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taneliwho is the "proxy" user and why does he show up on the login screen?01:15
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MTecknologyThe following NEW packages will be installed: libgirepository-1.0-1{a}   The following packages will be REMOVED: libgirepository1.0-1{a}01:45
MTecknologyinteresting..01:45
rwwnot really01:46
Volkodavheh01:46
rww"Renamed libgirepository1.0-1 to libgirepository-1.0-1 to match Debian and use their kindly provided provides/replaces/conflicts." ~ debian/changelog01:46
Andre_GondimI forgot the name of the program to report bug, what is the name?03:56
Piciubuntu-bug ;)03:56
Picior did you mean apport?03:57
Andre_Gondimapport, that's the name, thanks03:58
Picinp03:58
Andre_Gondimdoesn't have apport ar natty?03:58
Andre_Gondimdoesn't have apport at natty?03:58
F3RR1SSometimes I make things way to complicated....05:19
F3RR1Sfor example, I went through the whole "edit fstab, smb.conf files" when all I really needed to do was click "Places> "Connect to Server" and enter the IP address... and the share works flawlessly...05:20
maurer_1I decided to try Natty, like I have with all the previous releases, but this one is different--it didn't just have some broken apps/libs, the entire UI no longer functions (wirelss config, run command, etc.)06:14
maurer_1Is there a clean way for me to switch back to gnome-panel without downgrading, or do I just need a script that kills unity and starts gnome-panel?06:14
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MTecknologyheh.. so xfce4-power-manager has been updated but xfce4-power-manager-data hasn't been06:36
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coz_good day all08:18
jukso hey, hi, i can't log in to ui sessions, currently i'm in ctrl+alt+f1 session, after upgrade08:21
juk!bugs08:30
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots08:30
juk!bug08:30
jukanyone had an issue gdm bouncing back to login screen after black flashing?08:45
coz_juk08:49
coz_juk,  you mean you put in your password and it comes back up?08:49
jukcoz_: yes08:50
jukcoz_: after flashing08:50
coz_juk,   I believe that was fixed....did you do   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade08:50
jukcoz_: i'm in +1 already08:51
jukcoz_: no i didn't08:52
jukcoz_: well update and upgrade did it been like month since dist upgrade08:53
jukcoz_: i'll get back you08:54
coz_ok08:54
coz_ok09:05
jukcoz_: sup09:05
coz_juk,   had to restart09:05
coz_juk,  seems there are a few issues with nvidia-settings09:05
juknvidia such a pain in the ars, never would buy nvidia card if i knew that09:08
coz_juk,  well i still prefer them... just apparenlty the new nvidia-settings is a bit  querky09:10
jukcoz_: well, guess gotta check out old nvidia settings, see you09:15
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juknvidia module rebuild didn't help, getting kicked back to login screen10:55
jukhelp anyone10:56
juki think it isn't nvidia module issue at all10:57
jukanyone else gets kicked off to pink login screen after logging in11:03
mmdadawowhi, will it be possible to put the window buttons on the right in 11.04 UnityDesktop?12:09
sagacimmdadawow: should be12:09
mmdadawowand change the orange into blue?12:09
sagacithat may be hardwired12:13
sagacior themed12:13
mmdadawowid like to be able to have my window buttons on the right tbh12:14
penguin42mmdadawow: I'm fairly sure you can change it via gconf12:20
mmdadawowhopefully unityDesktop allows it12:20
penguin42yeh it doesn't seem to have changed that12:22
mmdadawowand it wont give any issues when they're in  the upper panel?12:22
mmdadawowpenguin42: are you on Natty by any chance?12:23
penguin42yes12:23
mmdadawowwould you mind trying to put them on the right and screenshot it for a maximized app?12:24
penguin42I actually do have them on the right - but I changed them ages ago12:24
mmdadawow?12:24
penguin42This machine is an upgrade from Maverick and I had them on the right in Maverick after Maverick changed them12:25
mmdadawowso ur saying u cant put them on the right anymore?12:26
penguin42no, read what I've said - I'm saying I've already got them on the right12:26
mmdadawowoh ok (sorry, my English)12:26
mmdadawowwould you mind screenshotting then?12:27
penguin42no need, they're on the right12:28
mmdadawowi mean so i can see how it looks like when the app is maximized?12:29
mmdadawowdo the menus take the blank space and get the buttons next to them? that'd be inconsistent12:29
mmdadawowor do they appear just next to the indicators?12:30
penguin42my natty installation isn't that stable, so I'd wait until it is things probably will still change12:31
mmdadawowok12:35
mmdadawowhopefully they won't lock it or make it be stupid if i change them to the right12:35
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coz_hey guys  ...current update...as of now...want to remove  ubuntu -desktop and unity O)13:35
UndiFineDfor some that can mean progress :P13:41
PoKrAkhello i want now is available e17 ecomorph for ubuntu natty sources ??14:15
yofelcurrent e17 is14:18
yofel!info e1714:18
ubottue17 (source: e17): The Enlightenment DR17 Window Manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.16.999.49898-1 (natty), package size 2419 kB, installed size 7920 kB14:18
PoKrAk!info ecomorph14:18
ubottuPackage ecomorph does not exist in natty14:18
PoKrAkbuu i wat this14:19
yofelwhat's that?14:19
PoKrAkenlightenment witch compiz14:19
UndiFineDsounds scary14:19
PoKrAke17 i have now14:19
jMCgThe reason I upgraded to Natty was somebody in #systemtap telling me that maybe the new Ubuntu release will have support for CONFIG_UTRACE. Well, it does not.14:20
jMCgI'm wondering if it's planned to introduce it.14:21
yofelwhat's utrace?14:21
PoKrAkecomorph is used in elive and opengeu14:22
jMCgyofel: http://lwn.net/Articles/224772/14:23
jMCgi.e.: Something to make SystemTap a bit more useful.14:23
PoKrAksomeone know something about ubuntu natty and ecomorph ??14:24
yofeljMCg: you could ask in #ubuntu-kernel if they know if it'll be there for natty if someone's online there14:24
jMCgyofel: ACK.14:25
alex_mayorgalatest kernels are panicking on me, tips?14:47
IdleOneboot to older kernel14:48
alex_mayorgaIdleOne: I'm now on 2.6.35-23-generic14:49
alex_mayorgahow do I report the problem?14:50
IdleOne!bug14:50
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alex_mayorga!linus14:58
alex_mayorga!linux14:58
ubottuLinux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as a kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux14:58
phoenixfirebrdhi using kubuntu11.04  kde  beta 2. dolphin detects every drive twice and only one of that 2  is working15:08
phoenixfirebrdping15:09
Sir_Konradphoenixfirebrd, probably not going to get much support for Kubuntu here, sadly. :(15:10
phoenixfirebrdSir_Konrad: oh15:10
Sir_KonradI don't use it, so I don't know..15:10
IdleOnephoenixfirebrd: there is a #kubuntu+1 also15:10
phoenixfirebrdSir_Konrad: ok15:10
Sir_KonradIdleOne, it's invite only.15:10
IdleOneoh15:10
IdleOnewell, stick around and someone might answer15:11
Sir_KonradI'm moving over to Unity right now. :P15:11
phoenixfirebrdSir_Konrad: are you sure that there is kubuntu+1, last time i tried i ended up here15:11
IdleOne Cannot join #kubuntu+1 (Channel is invite only).15:11
Sir_KonradExactly. I'm sure *someone* in here is also in #kubuntu+115:11
phoenixfirebrdSir_Konrad: how is unity in usablity ?15:11
Sir_Konradphoenixfirebrd, it's quite good actually! I was surprised, since I was a bit skeptical.15:11
JontheEchidnaI don't think the #kubuntu+1 channel is official15:12
charlie-tcaI think #kubuntu+1 forwards to here, doesn't it? This is the official support channel for all official +1 builds15:12
phoenixfirebrdya15:13
Sir_Konradcharlie-tca, I would think so, but I keep getting an invite-only message...15:13
phoenixfirebrdperhaps i should try in kde+1 ?15:13
charlie-tcaMight just have to wait for someone who knows, instead of sending a person all over looking for answers in wrong channels.15:14
IdleOneSir_Konrad: you get that message because you are already here15:14
Sir_KonradHmm... ok. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. :-\15:15
IdleOneactually, I believed I caused it15:17
yofelphoenixfirebrd: I think that's because one drive comes from hal and one from udisks, try to remove hal, k3b should be the only thing that still needs it15:20
phoenixfirebrdyofel: ok15:20
Sir_KonradOk guys, talk later. Gotta get to school.15:28
rorkphoenixfirebrd: for what it's worth I had the same problem, you can safely hide one of the duplicates, the other will stay. Didn't file a bugreport/try to fix it.15:28
phoenixfirebrdyofel: worked for me15:30
phoenixfirebrdyofel: thank you15:30
phoenixfirebrdrork: i am using this just for testing15:30
phoenixfirebrdrork: i wont be using k3b, so no problem15:31
martinjh99Got a problem - Downloaded the Desktop ISO which is 716Mb size - My Windows burning app won't burn it onto a cd as it is too big but wont burn it on a DVD either for some reason if I put a DVD in instead of a CD is this a known problem?15:47
yofelthat the disk is oversized: yes, latter is probably an issue with the burning app15:48
yofelit actually says so on the download page http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/15:48
martinjh99ah ok - thanks :) Like I said will try and burn it with k3b later then...15:49
alex_mayorgayofel: how to report kernel panics?15:51
yofelgood question, check if there's something in /var/crash, if not, file a usual kernel bug or ask someone else in -bugs or -kernel for help15:52
alex_mayorgaOK, thanks15:53
alex_mayorgayofel: tried "sudo ubuntu-bug linux" per people at #ubuntu-kernel but get "The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"16:07
yofelare you running a mainline kernel?16:07
alex_mayorgaguess I have a "pirated" copy of natty here :(16:07
yofelor is you apt-cache broken?16:07
yofelalex_mayorga: or simply pastebin the output of: $ apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)16:08
alex_mayorgayofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541924/16:09
alex_mayorgahad to resort to this version as 2.6.37.8 and 2.6.37.7 both panic16:10
yofelalex_mayorga: you'll have to update I fear, you're running 23.40 while latest maverick-updates is 23.4116:11
yofel(or break apports sanity check, but that's not really genuine ubuntu then either :P)16:11
alex_mayorgahow16:12
yofelalex_mayorga: just install updates I think?16:12
alex_mayorgahow do I update the maverick kernel if my sources are now all natty?16:12
yofelor is that impossible16:12
yofeloh..16:12
yofellet me think (of something different than changing sources back)16:13
alex_mayorgaif I try System>Update I get the partial thing16:13
yofelalex_mayorga: where do they panic btw? or does it simply hang16:13
alex_mayorgaaccording to http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick-updates/linux my version is legit16:13
yofelalex_mayorga: that's not the problem, you don't have maverick-updates in the sources -> invalid16:14
yofelapport doesn't do an online check but uses your apt cache16:14
alex_mayorgayofel: at boot in one it sais something about scheduling while atomic on gdm16:14
alex_mayorgaand on .8 it doesn't even get to gdm16:20
yofelcan you drop to a tty with -7 or is it frozen?16:21
alex_mayorgayofel: how do I get back here?16:21
yofelah well, either add maverick-updates to your sources and update the kernel and then report16:21
yofelback here from where?16:22
alex_mayorgayofel: didn't quite get the tty with -716:22
yofelsecond (unofficial) option: open /usr/share/pyshared/apport/packaging_impl.py, go to line 150 (last line of is_distro_package()) and change False into True, that'll break apports genuine check16:23
yofelalex_mayorga: can you change to a tty with ctrl+alt+f2 with 37-7 ?16:23
alex_mayorgayofel: yup I can16:24
alex_mayorgactrl+alt+f2 gets me to a terminal ctrl+alt+f7 gets me back here16:25
kukuNutdaily build stopped at 12/06?16:25
yofelalex_mayorga: I meant, can you do that with the natty kernel that get's to gdm?16:25
alex_mayorgaI'll have to reboot to try that16:25
alex_mayorgabut I don't think so I get flashing keyboard LEDs and unresponsive keyboard so I don't think that would work16:26
alex_mayorgahow can I get the complete line to add maverick-updates to my sources?16:27
charlie-tcakukuNut: yes, until the python merges finish, I believe16:27
yofelsec16:27
yofelalex_mayorga: deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates main restricted multiverse universe16:27
charlie-tcakukuNut: actually, the desktop build stopped, the alternate seems to be updated for today16:27
kukuNutcharlie-tca: ok thnks16:27
alex_mayorgayofel: System> Administration > Software Sources, right?16:28
yofelyes16:29
alex_mayorgathat didn't add anything16:32
yofelthen add it to your /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, haven't used software-properties in ages16:34
kukuNutalex_mayorga: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the maverick-updates line16:37
alex_mayorgakukuNut, yofel: let me try editing that one by hand16:38
alex_mayorgashould I comment out everything else16:38
yofelno16:39
phoenixfirebrdhaving problem with  bluedevil . not able to browse my mobile16:40
phoenixfirebrdi am using kubuntu 11.04, kde 4.6 beta 216:40
kukuNutalex_mayorga: or in admin->synaptics->settings->softwaresources- update tab - enable whatever you want16:40
yofelkukuNut: he's trying to add maverick sources to natty, the gui won't help there much16:41
kukuNutyofel: ohh.. sorry.16:41
kukuNutbut what for?16:41
yofelkukuNut: trying to update the maverick kernel so apport will let him report that the natty kernels panick16:42
kukuNutyofel: there is an 'add' button where you can add whatever..cut and paste16:43
yofelalex_mayorga: ^ that didn't work?16:43
alex_mayorgayofel: adding deb http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates main restricted multiverse universe16:46
alex_mayorgashould I just replace natty for maverick on /etc/apt/sources.list ?16:46
kukuNutyofel: I just did and it works16:46
yofelwell, you could, then update, reboot, report bug, and change back16:47
kukuNutalex_mayorga: are you crazy?16:47
alex_mayorgakukuNut: a little I guess, I'm using alpha software after all, right? :D16:48
alex_mayorgayofel: I should take just the kernel right?16:48
yofelall it should update is the kernel, everything else is already higher for lucid16:48
yofels/lucid/natty/16:48
kukuNutalex_mayorga: just get the mainline kernel for maverick and install16:49
yofelkukuNut: that won't help with reporting the bug16:49
kukuNutget it from packages.ubuntu.com16:49
yofelsince apport is too stupid for such cases16:50
yofelwell, I have to go for a while, bbl16:50
alex_mayorgayofel: thanks for the help16:51
phoenixfirebrdanyone using kubuntu?16:56
phoenixfirebrdproblem with qapt16:57
kukuNutphoenixfirebrd: don't know qapt16:58
kukuNutphoenixfirebrd: I use apt-get16:58
phoenixfirebrdwhen i started amarok, it asked for optional installation of restricted codecs, i proceeded to install by clicking ok, then qapt popped up and is displaying a message Title:qapt batch installer,Message: waiting for authorization16:59
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: i think it is a bug in qapt17:00
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: are you using kubuntu?17:00
kukuNutphoenixfirebrd: I saw that the first time Amarok started and didn't see any problem17:01
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: did you install the restricted codecs when it asked for it?17:01
kukuNutyes17:02
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: may be the problem was because i answered the request after a long time.17:03
kukuNutphoenixfirebrd: could be but amarok ususally bugs me about the flash so I just say don't bother anymore17:05
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: ok17:06
kukuNutphoenixfirebrd: you can install them manually with apt-get though -  I believe those are ffmpeg xine..just take note of what they are17:07
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: xine?17:07
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: did you mean gstreamer?17:08
kukuNutphoenixfirebrd: libxine-ffmpeg17:08
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: does 11.04 use xine as backend?17:09
kukuNutphoenixfirebrd: phonon as backend but xine is for mp3 i think17:09
phoenixfirebrdkukuNut: ok17:10
TDThi guys17:34
TDTis the Wubi bug fixed on Natty alpha yet?17:34
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MTecknologywow.. there's a lot of breaking going on in natty, huh17:50
TDTwhat do you mean?17:52
MTecknologyat least for my systems, there's a lot of broken apps right now - especially wireless tools17:52
rwwalpha release is alpha :\17:53
TDTwell, it's an alpha...17:53
MTecknologyare we already to alpha.. wow17:53
MTecknology8 days into it, heh17:54
MTecknologyaight- time to go do some heavy lifting (apparently a ruptured disk doesn't have me in enough pain already-i need to add to it)17:55
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* charlie-tca thinks a lot of breakage in alpha is good! keeps it from being breakage in beta18:05
alex_mayorgablank network and bluetooth panel anyone?18:21
nperryHmm, lost all the applets in unity..19:52
nperryStill got them in classic session :/19:52
zanushttp://forums.flingbits.com/topic/115-i-have-no-login-screen/  Anybody have any idea on this?20:13
genii-aroundHello. I have 11.04 server 64bit, clean LAMP with ssh install. Primarily in use for a CCTV box. init freezes during shutdown every time right after stopping MTA. This a known bug or so?20:15
genii-aroundIs there an upstart log someplace?20:15
zanusanybody http://forums.flingbits.com/topic/115-i-have-no-login-screen21:17
bazhangzanus, on 11.04?21:18
IdleOnefrom that link you posted it says you "messed" with plymouth...undo the mess21:21
IdleOnealso 10.10 support in #ubuntu21:21
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kklimondahmm, is unity broken? I get an empty desktop when I launch it through the gdm22:27
penguin42kklimonda: Is it still installed? AN update earlier today removed unity and ubuntu-desktop22:28
kklimondayeaj, it is22:29
penguin42it's certainly very flaky for me when it was installed22:33
coz_penguin42,  I think that has been resolved22:35
alex_mayorgabroken notification panels anyone?22:37
coz_alex_mayorga,  did you recently do an dist-upgrade?22:37
alex_mayorgakklimonda: I have the same issue22:37
alex_mayorgacoz_: not really, should I?22:37
coz_alex_mayorga,   generally with a prerelease  a   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would be warranted at least once a week22:38
coz_but22:38
coz_alex_mayorga,  to day may be an exception22:38
coz_alex_mayorga,  as mentioned....earlier today  it would have removed unity22:38
alex_mayorgaunity doesn't work for me anyway22:39
coz_alex_mayorga,  right now a  dist-upgrade wants to remove  libpolkit-qt22:39
coz_alex_mayorga,  it doesnt work?22:39
alex_mayorgano, if I launch it I get no panels22:39
coz_alex_mayorga,   ah ok then install gmrun   and assign a keyboard shortcut to that in compiz  I use  alt+F322:40
coz_alex_mayorga,  then run     gnome-wm --replace22:40
alex_mayorgamy problem is that video acceleration doesn't work for my card22:41
coz_alex_mayorga, in unity there is only one panel at the top and the side shortcut panel  ....right?22:41
coz_alex_mayorga,  ah ok ,,,which video card is this?22:41
alex_mayorga01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 230M] (rev a2)22:42
coz_alex_mayorga,  and the nvidia-current driver doesnt work for that?22:42
BUGabundoheya22:42
BUGabundogood news, my work contract was renewed !! WOOT22:42
alex_mayorgahaven't tried it lately22:42
alex_mayorgaBUGabundo: good for you22:42
BUGabundothanks22:43
coz_ok I have to break here....be back later22:43
coz_BUGabundo,  cool news guy  congratulations22:43
BUGabundo***22:43
guntbertBUGabundo: congrats22:47
BUGabundothanks22:47
dooglustoday's update: The following packages will be REMOVED:22:53
dooglus  ubuntu-desktop unity22:53
dooglushuh?22:53
BUGabundoaahahahahaahah22:56
BUGabundoThe following packages will be REMOVED:22:56
BUGabundo  libpolkit-qt-1-0{u}22:56
BUGabundoI don't have that22:56
yofeldooglus: you're not the only one with that22:56
dooglusyofel: any idea why it happens?23:00
yofelnope23:00
dooglusyofel: not that unity was working for me anyway...23:00
yofeltemporary dependency conflict I guess23:00
dooglusI doubt those packages will ever get reinstalled though, unless I specificially ask for it23:01
dooglusand if I hadn't noticed they were being removed, I wouldn't know to reinstall them23:01
dooglusalso, http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/new-us-cybersecurity-bill-could-threaten-free-software23:02
penguin42dooglus: They're back anyway now23:11

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