| JanC | well, GNOME is/was a GNU project ;) | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| JanC | semi/somwhat/not entirely | 00:04 |
| dholbach | good morning! | 07:45 |
| kim0 | dholbach: Morning man | 08:00 |
| dholbach | hey kim0 | 08:00 |
| kim0 | it's quite today huh | 08:00 |
| dholbach | quite quiet, yes :) | 08:01 |
| kim0 | hehe | 08:01 |
| kim0 | my English teacher would kick me | 08:01 |
| dholbach | was your English teacher that mean? | 08:02 |
| kim0 | hehee :) | 08:02 |
| kim0 | not literally kick .. but you get the idea hehe | 08:02 |
| dholbach | yeah :) | 08:03 |
| dholbach | I had a British English teacher - he was a bit mean, but he didn't kick people either | 08:03 |
| kim0 | dholbach: on a more technical note than english teachers :) I ended up submitting this patch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kim0/+junk/bacula/revision/9396 to fix ftbfs from bacula | 08:05 |
| kim0 | wasn't really sure what to do with the change :) | 08:06 |
| kim0 | would a ppa allow me to build bacula from that source | 08:06 |
| dholbach | it's a bit trickier | 08:07 |
| dholbach | I'd suggest not to branch lp:bacula, but instead branch lp:ubuntu/bacula (which is the source which is in Ubuntu) | 08:07 |
| dholbach | and then push to ~kim0/ubuntu/natty/bacula/ftbfs-fix | 08:08 |
| kim0 | dholbach: I'll do that .. then ? | 08:08 |
| dholbach | if you propose that as a merge it can be more immediately integrated into Ubuntu | 08:09 |
| dholbach | also you can build the package then by running: bzr bd | 08:09 |
| kim0 | I didn't find the stupid propose for merge link :) | 08:09 |
| dholbach | if you do it the way I mentioned above, you should find it :) | 08:09 |
| kim0 | aha! | 08:10 |
| kim0 | then I really screwed up hehe | 08:10 |
| dholbach | no no, it's harder to find | 08:10 |
| kim0 | dholbach: that branch I used .. is for the upstream tarball ? | 08:10 |
| dholbach | I promise to work on that docs | 08:10 |
| dholbach | that's upstream trunk, yes | 08:10 |
| kim0 | aha | 08:10 |
| dholbach | which isn't bad - you can still send the patch there | 08:10 |
| dholbach | but for ubuntu we use lp:ubuntu/<package> | 08:10 |
| kim0 | dholbach: I noticed when I branched .. fixed .. pushed .. I downloaded and re-uploaded the whole project .. | 08:11 |
| kim0 | which was a bit heavy on my not so fast internet | 08:11 |
| kim0 | any smarter way | 08:11 |
| kim0 | I mean I should at least only upload the "fix" .. not everything again | 08:11 |
| dholbach | ah yes | 08:12 |
| dholbach | if you do it the way I mentioned above it'll created a stacked branch | 08:12 |
| dholbach | which will be more efficient | 08:12 |
| kim0 | awesome | 08:12 |
| dholbach | the problem is namespace: lp:bacula and lp:~kim0/+junk/... don't share namespace | 08:12 |
| dholbach | so if you branch lp:ubuntu/bacula and push to lp:~kim0/ubuntu/natty/bacula/... it's clear for LP what to stack on | 08:13 |
| kim0 | aha .. | 08:13 |
| dholbach | (similarly lp:someproject and lp:~person/someproject/somebranch) | 08:13 |
| dholbach | (if that makes sense) | 08:13 |
| * kim0 enlightened | 08:13 | |
| dholbach | in addition to that, the Bazaar team will put more effort into lightweight branches afaik | 08:13 |
| kim0 | one small step for kim0 .. one big step for humanity .. :) | 08:14 |
| dholbach | \o/ | 08:14 |
| kim0 | dholbach: when committing the change .. is it best to link it to a bug .. or should I just use the web interface | 08:15 |
| dholbach | you can do both | 08:16 |
| dholbach | hang on | 08:16 |
| dholbach | the very best way to do it is: add something like this to your ~/.bashrc | 08:16 |
| dholbach | export DEBFULNAME='Daniel Holbach' | 08:17 |
| dholbach | export DEBEMAIL='daniel.holbach@ubuntu.com' | 08:17 |
| dholbach | and source .bashrc | 08:17 |
| dholbach | then install devscripts | 08:17 |
| dholbach | then run dch -i | 08:17 |
| dholbach | and add a changelog entry that explains what you changed in which file for which reason | 08:17 |
| dholbach | and add (LP: #123456) | 08:17 |
| dholbach | with the bug number | 08:17 |
| dholbach | then run debcommit | 08:17 |
| dholbach | then push to something like ~kim0/ubuntu/natty/bacula/ftbfs-fix | 08:18 |
| dholbach | then propose | 08:18 |
| dholbach | then you will have done everything that's necessary to get it reviewed and immediately uploaded the way it is (if the reviewer agrees with what you've done) | 08:18 |
| dholbach | (and after the upload to the archive the bug will be automatically closed) | 08:19 |
| kim0 | dholbach: hmm thanks for all the info .. do I run dch -i in the top level package folder ? | 08:20 |
| dholbach | yes | 08:20 |
| dholbach | it will add a boilerplate changelog entry for you that you just need to fill out | 08:20 |
| kim0 | phew .. ok .. hope that works :) | 08:20 |
| dholbach | you can show me the output of bzr diff if you like and I'll have a look at it | 08:21 |
| dholbach | just pastebin it | 08:21 |
| kim0 | dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541782/ | 08:22 |
| kim0 | dholbach: -lssl | 08:22 |
| dholbach | kim0, can you pastebin again with the changelog entry included? | 08:23 |
| kim0 | ok | 08:23 |
| nigelb | Morning all | 08:23 |
| kim0 | dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541783/ | 08:24 |
| kim0 | nigelb: morning man | 08:25 |
| dholbach | kim0, change maverick to natty and add your email address at the bottom | 08:25 |
| dholbach | kim0, did you set DEBEMAIL? | 08:25 |
| nigelb | and you can add the bug number | 08:25 |
| dholbach | and add the bug number (LP: #123456) | 08:25 |
| kim0 | dholbach: dch -i again ? | 08:25 |
| nigelb | just edit it I think | 08:26 |
| dholbach | dch -e (or edit debian/changelog) | 08:26 |
| kim0 | dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/541785/ ? | 08:28 |
| dholbach | that looks great to me | 08:29 |
| dholbach | (maybe wrap the line at 80 chars per line) | 08:29 |
| dholbach | but apart from that you're ready to go | 08:29 |
| dholbach | debcommit; bzr push ~kim0/ubuntu/natty/bacula/ftbfs-fix | 08:29 |
| dholbach | erm | 08:29 |
| dholbach | debcommit; bzr push lp:~kim0/ubuntu/natty/bacula/ftbfs-fix | 08:30 |
| dholbach | excusez-moi | 08:30 |
| kim0 | pushing | 08:31 |
| dholbach | yeehaw | 08:31 |
| kim0 | done | 08:31 |
| dholbach | and if you run bzr-lpopen afterwards it should show the branch in a browser, where you can click on "propose merge" | 08:32 |
| kim0 | I want to build from that branch just to be sure it actually works | 08:32 |
| dholbach | ok | 08:32 |
| dholbach | run | 08:32 |
| dholbach | bzr bd -- -S | 08:32 |
| dholbach | (your might need to install bzr-builddeb) | 08:32 |
| dholbach | it should generate a source package for you (with .dsc file) | 08:33 |
| kim0 | can I do it in a ppa .. since I'm building for natty | 08:33 |
| dholbach | give pbuilder that .dsc file | 08:33 |
| dholbach | yes, you can | 08:33 |
| dholbach | upload the source package to your PPA | 08:33 |
| dholbach | (run bzr bd -- -S and dput the source package to your PPA) | 08:33 |
| dholbach | https://help.launchpad.net/PPA | 08:33 |
| dholbach | I'll take the dog for a walk, so I'll brb | 08:34 |
| kim0 | dholbach: thanks a lot man :) | 08:35 |
| dpm | good morning all | 08:53 |
| dholbach | hola dpm | 09:03 |
| nigelb | Morning dpm, ara :) | 09:03 |
| ara | morning nigelb | 09:04 |
| dpm | hey dholbach, hey nigelb and ara | 09:10 |
| dholbach | kim0, how's the fix coming on? all sorted out? | 09:54 |
| dholbach | hey daker, hey randa | 09:55 |
| kim0 | dholbach: I linked the branch to the bug | 09:55 |
| daker | dholbach, randa good morning ツ | 09:55 |
| kim0 | dholbach: couldn't really build it though :) | 09:55 |
| dholbach | kim0, and proposed the merge? | 09:55 |
| dholbach | kim0, can you pastebin the output of what went wrong? | 09:56 |
| kim0 | dholbach: I think it's just hard for me since I'm not using natty yet | 09:57 |
| dholbach | pbuilder-dist natty created; pbuilder-dist natty build bla.dsc :-) | 09:58 |
| randa | morning all | 09:58 |
| dholbach | erm "create" not "created" | 09:58 |
| kim0 | gpg couldn't sign the dsc | 09:58 |
| kim0 | secret key not available | 09:58 |
| dholbach | ah! | 09:58 |
| kim0 | the priv key needs a password .. maybe that's it ? | 09:58 |
| dholbach | did you add the email address in the debian/changelog entry to your gpg key? | 09:58 |
| kim0 | Yes | 09:58 |
| kim0 | I did | 09:58 |
| kim0 | and published | 09:59 |
| dholbach | weird | 09:59 |
| dholbach | really weird | 09:59 |
| dholbach | then just do a | 09:59 |
| dholbach | bzr bd -- -S -us -uc | 09:59 |
| dholbach | (will skip the signing) | 09:59 |
| kim0 | worked ! | 10:00 |
| dholbach | still it'd be worth finding out what goes wrong there | 10:00 |
| kim0 | dholbach: I think it needs my priv key, which needs a password | 10:00 |
| dholbach | does it ask for a passphrase? | 10:01 |
| kim0 | nope | 10:02 |
| dholbach | weird | 10:02 |
| dholbach | and you're sure kim0@ubuntu.com is on your gpg key as a key id? | 10:03 |
| dholbach | :) | 10:03 |
| kim0 | gpg --fingerprint kim0@ubuntu.com | 10:03 |
| kim0 | works yes .. listed | 10:03 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:03 |
| dholbach | then I don't know | 10:03 |
| dholbach | and DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME you added to bashrc? | 10:03 |
| kim0 | yeah there .. echo $xx works | 10:04 |
| dholbach | hum hum | 10:04 |
| dholbach | maybe ask in #ubuntu-devel with a pastebin | 10:04 |
| kim0 | dholbach: thanks man :) the build is churning | 10:05 |
| dholbach | :) | 10:05 |
| kim0 | once it works .. I'll propose for merge yippee | 10:05 |
| kim0 | I am quite pleasently surprised with the elegance of everything | 10:05 |
| kim0 | packaging for fedora was way uglier :) | 10:06 |
| dholbach | I'd love if it was easier, you know :) | 10:06 |
| kim0 | dholbach: woohoo works! you rock man | 10:11 |
| dholbach | excellent | 10:12 |
| dholbach | I hope somebody will get to it soon :) | 10:12 |
| kim0 | the bug is high priority so yeah hope sio | 10:12 |
| kim0 | so* | 10:13 |
| kim0 | https://code.launchpad.net/~kim0/ubuntu/natty/bacula/ftbfs-fix/+merge/43327 | 10:13 |
| dholbach | great | 10:14 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 10:23 |
| dholbach | kim0, you're on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ :) | 10:34 |
| dholbach | hey czajkowski | 10:34 |
| kim0 | dholbach: kewl :) | 10:49 |
| nigelb | Morning czajkowski :) | 10:52 |
| nigelb | popey: did you just set up the slouch bot? :) | 11:59 |
| popey | yes | 12:01 |
| nigelb | \o/ | 12:04 |
| dholbach | kim0, "everyone's favourite" - you're exaggerating :) | 12:20 |
| kim0 | hehe :) naah you're just being modest | 12:20 |
| kim0 | You're lucky I didn't say Internet sensation :P | 12:21 |
| dholbach | yeah, thanks :) | 12:22 |
| * dholbach hugs kim0 | 12:22 | |
| kim0 | hehe | 12:22 |
| * nigelb hugs popey | 12:34 | |
| popey | :) | 12:34 |
| popey | got cron working :) | 12:34 |
| nisshh | hmmm, 36 six hours awake and i can still write decent Python, what does that say about me? :) | 12:44 |
| nigelb | You're learning, can do better :p | 12:46 |
| nisshh | nigelb, well, i was going to say i dream in code, but thats ok i suppose :) | 12:47 |
| nigelb | nisshh: Also, 'decent Python' is left to the judgement of the guy who's awake for 36 hours? :p | 12:50 |
| nisshh | nigelb, decent Python, meaning it contains code that is human readable :) | 12:51 |
| nisshh | i thought i would fall back to klingon after 31 hours :) | 12:51 |
| nigelb | Ah, that applies to anything non-perl :p | 12:52 |
| nisshh | but obviously not :) | 12:52 |
| nisshh | lol | 12:52 |
| nigelb | perl is nice for writing and excecuting, not so much for readability | 12:52 |
| nisshh | heh | 12:52 |
| nigelb | I can't read my perl code after a few hours | 12:52 |
| nisshh | thats why its so hard to learn :) | 12:52 |
| nigelb | I guess the half life of perl's code readability increases with experience :p | 12:53 |
| nisshh | heh, yeah | 12:53 |
| nigelb | </troll perl> | 12:53 |
| nisshh | lol | 12:53 |
| nisshh | </sleep deprived rant about Python code> | 12:54 |
| * vish wonders if "36 six hours" == 216hrs?! | 12:54 | |
| nigelb | no no | 12:54 |
| nisshh | vish, how is that possible? | 12:54 |
| nigelb | He's been away for 36 hours, that happens :p | 12:54 |
| vish | nisshh: exactly! | 12:54 |
| nigelb | nisshh: "< nisshh> hmmm, 36 six hours awake and | 12:55 |
| nisshh | lolwut? | 12:55 |
| vish | nisshh: stop sleep talking ;p | 12:55 |
| nigelb | +1 | 12:55 |
| nigelb | sleep typing rather | 12:55 |
| nisshh | stop taking advantage of me in my sleep deprived state thank you! :) | 12:55 |
| vish | :D | 12:55 |
| nigelb | while you won't remember a think about this tomorrow | 12:56 |
| nigelb | the next generation will remember this in the form of bash.org quotes | 12:56 |
| nisshh | haha | 12:56 |
| nisshh | actually, a chick in my loco runs her own quote database, its better than bash.org :) | 12:56 |
| * nigelb prefers s/chick/lady/g | 12:57 | |
| nisshh | i hold the record for being part of the most quotes on it :) | 12:57 |
| nigelb | linky? | 12:57 |
| nisshh | one sec | 12:57 |
| nisshh | allow an extra 30 seconds to compensate for my slow tired hand movements :) | 12:57 |
| nisshh | nigelb, http://qdb.ltmnet.com/ | 12:58 |
| nisshh | it only has like 130 quotes on it, but they are good ones | 12:58 |
| nigelb | ah, darkrose :) | 12:59 |
| nisshh | you know darkrose? | 13:00 |
| nisshh | nigelb, ^^ | 13:00 |
| nigelb | From UW, yes | 13:00 |
| nisshh | UW? | 13:00 |
| * nigelb gives nisshh about 60 seconds for binary search in his brain | 13:01 | |
| jcastro | buenas mornings! | 13:24 |
| * maco blinks | 13:24 | |
| maco | dobre utra, jcastro | 13:24 |
| jcastro | I had to google that! | 13:25 |
| maco | haha | 13:25 |
| maco | i had a friend in high school who i tried to greet in a different language every time i spoke to him | 13:26 |
| maco | kinda like flickr does.... | 13:26 |
| sense | good afternoon | 14:00 |
| vish | maco: here we leave that to dholbach ;) | 14:08 |
| vish | "greet in a different language every time" :D | 14:08 |
| dholbach | no, not really :) | 14:09 |
| * dholbach is too lazy/slow learning new languages | 14:10 | |
| sense | Like the guy who learned 50(?) languages said: after 15(?) languages things start to become easy. | 14:10 |
| dholbach | sense, that's reassuring | 14:11 |
| sense | dholbach: Isn't it? :) | 14:11 |
| czajkowski | dear timezones you will be the death of me when arranging meetings | 15:31 |
| jcastro | ok, one last time | 15:34 |
| jcastro | how do I change the topic in a channel? | 15:34 |
| jcastro | I need to update #ayatana | 15:34 |
| JFo | czajkowski, http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meeting.html | 15:34 |
| kim0 | ./topic ? | 15:34 |
| jcastro | kim0: no, there's some weird bot thing | 15:35 |
| jcastro | I can never remember it | 15:35 |
| JFo | it is @pilot something yes? | 15:36 |
| * JFo saw someone do it in ubuntu-devel | 15:36 | |
| jcastro | whatever is complicated and annoying to do | 15:36 |
| JFo | not sure if that is local to them though | 15:36 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: /topic then hit tab tab | 15:36 |
| czajkowski | brings it to the end of a topic so you can add to it rather than writing the whole thing :) | 15:37 |
| jcastro | I am not an op | 15:37 |
| JFo | czajkowski, that is only if you have your op hat on | 15:37 |
| czajkowski | jcastro: which channel ? | 15:37 |
| jcastro | #ayatana | 15:37 |
| jcastro | aha! | 15:38 |
| jcastro | ubuntu-women wiki to the rescue! | 15:38 |
| Pici | /msg chanserv topic #channel newtopic | 15:38 |
| Pici | ? | 15:39 |
| === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
| vish | Pici: only @canonical cloaks have access there.. | 15:59 |
| dholbach | ? | 16:00 |
| vish | dholbach: to change topic in #ayatana | 16:00 |
| dholbach | aha | 16:00 |
| vish | dholbach: i changed the topic before the channel was formalized.. i guess someone forgot to add the @ubuntu access there.. :D | 16:01 |
| jono | hi all | 16:02 |
| vish | o/ | 16:02 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 16:02 |
| dholbach | hey jono | 16:02 |
| jono | hey dholbach | 16:02 |
| czajkowski | vish: no they don't I don't have a canonical cloak | 16:03 |
| vish | czajkowski: well thats what /msg chanserv access list #ayatana tells me here | 16:03 |
| vish | other access is freenode staff, which is the usual.. | 16:04 |
| czajkowski | vish: look at my cloak :) | 16:05 |
| vish | :) | 16:05 |
| dpm | heya jono | 16:06 |
| jono | hey dpm | 16:06 |
| jono | dpm, thanks for adjusting the call | 16:06 |
| jono | seems my wikileaks tweet is get RT like mad | 16:06 |
| dpm | no worries :) | 16:06 |
| vish | czajkowski: now i remember, 'cypher' from a while back.. :) | 16:06 |
| dholbach | kim0, congratulations | 16:07 |
| kim0 | dholbach: yeah! hehe Thanks a lot :) | 16:07 |
| dholbach | jono, dpm, jcastro: ^ kim0's first bug fix landed in Ubuntu :) | 16:07 |
| jono | dholbach, really?! | 16:07 |
| jono | nice! | 16:07 |
| kim0 | Thanks dholbach for the guidance | 16:07 |
| dholbach | riddell uploaded it | 16:07 |
| vish | czajkowski: and that, you are the one who gave me a google wave account. :) | 16:07 |
| dholbach | kim0, good work | 16:07 |
| dholbach | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bacula/+bug/687968 | 16:08 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 687968 in bacula (Ubuntu) "[FTBFS] package 'bacula' (5.0.2-2ubuntu1) failed to build on natty (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] | 16:08 |
| kim0 | This can get addictive :) | 16:08 |
| czajkowski | vish: glad the penny dropped :) | 16:08 |
| vish | ;p | 16:08 |
| * czajkowski hugs kim0 | 16:08 | |
| dpm | kim0, \o/ | 16:08 |
| * kim0 hugs czajkowski back | 16:09 | |
| kim0 | dpm: thanks man | 16:09 |
| jcastro | kim0: \o/ | 16:09 |
| kim0 | jcastro: hehee :) | 16:10 |
| kim0 | such a warm community :) | 16:10 |
| JFo | bah humbug ;-P | 16:13 |
| * czajkowski puts JFo in the corner with a bitter lemon | 16:14 | |
| JFo | mmmmm, lemony | 16:14 |
| popey | Lemon party! | 16:15 |
| popey | ahem | 16:15 |
| JFo | heh | 16:15 |
| * popey joins JFo in the naughty corner | 16:15 | |
| JFo | hee hee | 16:15 |
| * JFo passes popey a lemon | 16:16 | |
| czajkowski | messers in a corner! | 16:21 |
| jono | dpm, about set? | 16:27 |
| jono | dholbach, did I send you the notes from our call? | 16:28 |
| dpm | jono, yes, but can you give me 2 mins? I'm trying to set up something I'd like to show you. | 16:28 |
| jono | dpm, sure! | 16:28 |
| dpm | jono, thansk | 16:28 |
| jono | :) | 16:28 |
| dholbach | jono, you did | 16:32 |
| jono | dholbach, cool :) | 16:32 |
| jono | just checking | 16:32 |
| dholbach | :-) | 16:32 |
| dpm | jono, ok, all set | 16:36 |
| jono | dpm, ok logging in | 16:36 |
| jcastro | <--- LUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH. | 16:55 |
| kim0 | why do you have to shout | 16:56 |
| jcastro | because I am starving today | 16:56 |
| dholbach | ok my friends - I call it a day - have a great WE everyone! | 16:57 |
| * dholbach hugs you all | 16:58 | |
| * Pici waves | 16:58 | |
| * popey hugs dholbach | 16:58 | |
| Pendulum | dholbach: and to you! | 17:00 |
| * AlanBell joins in the group hug | 17:03 | |
| duanedesign | hello all | 17:14 |
| czajkowski | duanedesign: aloha | 17:15 |
| duanedesign | i got a late start today :/ | 17:18 |
| duanedesign | i think my body wanted to start the weekend a day early. | 17:18 |
| czajkowski | heh | 17:26 |
| daker | huh check that http://icio.us/WftVsS | 17:58 |
| daker | click "Listen" | 17:59 |
| dpm | ok, have a fantastic weekend everyone! | 18:17 |
| dpm | See you on Monday | 18:17 |
| maco | sense: i figure once youve got one in each language family, it gets easy.... | 21:09 |
| czajkowski | Pici: ping | 21:29 |
| sense | maco: Yeah, you should choose tactically. If you confine yourself to the Germanic languages you won't get very far outside that family. :) | 21:37 |
| maco | sense: why i did spanish, japanese, and russian in school :) | 21:38 |
| sense | maco: You must like a challenge! | 21:39 |
| Pici | czajkowski: pong, whats up? | 21:46 |
| czajkowski | Pici: sorted | 21:47 |
| Pici | okay :) | 21:47 |
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