/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/10/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

RAOFHeh.  Yeah, that's a bit annoying.00:00
RAOFThat and nm-applet + unity-panel-service slowly, slowly but surely eating my memory.00:02
=== gord|afk is now known as gord
kenvandineRAOF, cyphermox is looking at the nm-applet leak, it is related to appindicator01:30
Amaranthah, so nm-applet and unity-panel-service are the reason my computer gets progressively slower until it grinds to a halt02:30
Amaranthconstantly swapping02:30
Amaranthnm-applet also has mnemonics enabled, the _ in my ESSID get turned in to underlines02:31
kenvandinehey jasoncwarner03:02
jasoncwarnerhey kenvandine03:04
kenvandinei have the whole indicator stack queued up to build blocked on dbusmenu03:04
kenvandinegood times03:04
kenvandinetrying to get an archive admin to approve dbusmenu binNEWs so the rest can build... and people can stop getting half their desktop held back on upgrade03:05
kenvandinedoko is looking now03:06
jasoncwarnerI think that is more fun that me ;) Right now I am fighting to keep my internet connection alive :/ seems telstra is having problems right now03:06
jasoncwarnerso, I might drop out (again)03:06
kenvandinewell, trying to do all the updates... i had to fight to keep my network up03:07
RAOFI think you might need to strike the “now” from that sentence :)03:07
kenvandinethere was a bug causing nm-applet to make my network go up and down03:07
jasoncwarnerRAOF: thanks :)03:07
RAOFjasoncwarner: Just being a ray of sunshine :)03:08
kenvandinei could get my wired connection up with ifconfig... then a few minutes later nm-applet would decide to enable/disable loop would be fun03:08
kenvandineover and over again03:08
jasoncwarnerkenvandine: oh man! that's rough.03:08
kenvandineit was a bug in dbusmenu though03:08
kenvandinewhich we got fixed03:08
kenvandinecheck items in menus didn't work03:09
jasoncwarnerRAOF: I've been in queue w/ Telstra for, get this, 90 minutes and counting.03:09
kenvandineso toggling them sent an extra signal, toggling them back03:09
kenvandineso as it toggled,it would just keep toggling03:09
jasoncwarnerI can see why that would be a bad thing ;)03:09
kenvandineglad we found it quick :)03:09
kenvandinebefore everyone got it03:09
kenvandineit was ugly03:09
kenvandinei did lots of cursing here...03:10
RAOFjasoncwarner: Testra are famous for their customer service.  Yay monopoly telco!03:10
kenvandineseemed like everytime i did a bzr push or merge my net would go down03:10
TheMusojasoncwarner: Yeah my experience with Telstra is that they have great infrastructure, but the training and knowledge of their phone staff is often somewhat lacking.04:35
* TheMuso notes that since connecting to cable in May, he has not had one drop out or network slowness.04:36
TheMusoslowdown even.04:36
* RAOF whistles. Here, fibre, fibre, fibre, fibre! NBN rollout, this way please!04:38
TheMusoheh04:41
TheMusoRAOF: You have a legit reason for wanting it ASAP though. I am fortunate enough to be in an area where I am spoilt for choice.04:42
TheMusoSo if I am still living here when it finally gets to metro Syd, then I'll be one of the last to get it.04:42
RAOFTheMuso: Well, I'm actually pretty well off for ADSL options.  Although cable isn't (satelite is, but imagine what launchpad would be like with >2 sec latency on each roundtrip ☺)04:43
TheMusoPainful I'll bet.04:47
Amaranthheh, I have 5mbit ADSL that's usually more like 1.505:10
Amaranthand it seems to hate launchpad05:10
=== bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs
didrocksgood morning07:03
=== bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs
=== almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan
=== zyga-afk is now known as zyga
=== warp11 is now known as warp10
rickspencer3good morning all08:35
didrockshey rickspencer308:37
rickspencer3bonjour didrocks08:39
rickspencer3didrocks, fyi, Unity never starts when I boot my Dell mini 10v08:40
rickspencer3I'd be happy to provide any debugging info or such08:40
didrocksrickspencer3: oh really, what do you get?08:40
didrockswallpaper only?08:40
rickspencer3(well, I guess compiz never starts)08:40
rickspencer3didrocks, yes08:40
rickspencer3it happens every single time08:40
didrocksrickspencer3: it's an upgrade?08:40
rickspencer3so I start a terminal and run compiz and all if fine08:40
rickspencer3didrocks, yes, it's an upgrade08:40
didrocksrickspencer3: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager08:41
rickspencer3oops, it says metacity08:42
rickspencer3didrocks, ^08:42
didrocksrickspencer3: I put that in the release note :)08:42
rickspencer3asha08:42
rickspencer3aha, even08:43
didrocksrickspencer3: so known issue, which come from the long thread I posted on ubuntu-desktop ML :)08:43
rickspencer3well, I'm not on the ubuntu-desktop team, anymore08:43
didrocksrickspencer3: today, I'll upload a new gnome-session system08:43
rickspencer3*sniff*08:43
didrocksthis should fix that case :)08:43
rickspencer3if I change metacity to compiz, I assume it wills tart working again08:43
* didrocks hugs rickspencer308:43
didrocksrickspencer3: exactly08:43
mvovish: did you do the lisp icon in s-c? its just too cool :)08:44
pittiGood morning08:44
mvohey pitti08:44
didrocksrickspencer3: gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz08:44
pittididrocks: looking (sorry, got up late as I went to bed late)08:44
didrockspitti: no worry :) and hey o/08:44
didrocksgood morning mvo as well :)08:45
pittimvo: guten Morgen!08:45
vishmvo: yea, thanks.. mpt gave the idea of using '(( ))'   :)08:45
rickspencer3thanks didrocks08:45
rickspencer3hey pitti, mvo, vish08:45
mvohey didrocks, good morning rickspencer308:45
didrocksrickspencer3: you're welcome.08:45
pittihey Rick, how's London?08:45
didrockshey vish08:45
pittirickspencer3: do you have snow as well?08:46
vishhey rickspencer3 , pitti ,  didrocks :)08:46
rickspencer3pitti, SRU testing went well08:46
pittihey vish08:46
rickspencer3I am happy with that08:46
rickspencer3pitti, no snow, it's too warm08:46
pittirickspencer3: for the new kernel? yes, this one was exceptionally smooth08:46
rickspencer3pitti, that's great, but I was referring to the automated test sprint this week08:46
pittididrocks: nux NEWed; unity is depwait on this08:46
pittirickspencer3: ah, even better :)08:47
rickspencer3indeed08:47
rickspencer3:)08:47
didrockspitti: right, I'll ping you once build. Thanks!08:47
didrocksbuilt*08:47
pittirickspencer3: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/ is pure awesome08:47
rickspencer3well, it's getting there08:48
rickspencer3nice to have the dashboard, but I'd like to see an order of magnitude more tests :)08:48
* rickspencer3 whip cracking noises08:49
brycehpretty sizable proportion of failures there08:50
rickspencer3didrocks, I am absolutely delighted with Unity on my Dell mini 10v08:50
rickspencer3bryceh, well, lots of them are the tests themselves failing08:50
rickspencer3and then there are a lot of known bugs that aren't being picked up by tests08:50
brycehrickspencer3, yeah I just set it up on my 10v this evening08:50
didrocksrickspencer3: nice, the perfs are good?08:50
rickspencer3didrocks, yes, smoking fast08:51
didrocksexcellent :)08:51
rickspencer3it's faster on my small screen i945 than my larger i965 machine08:51
brycehrickspencer3, ahh yeah the standard two problems for all automated tests08:51
didrocksrickspencer3: you will see, once you will have the update today, you can't live anymore without intellihide :)08:51
rickspencer3yes, unfortunately UI testing is quite brittle08:51
rickspencer3didrocks, sweet, but I was told not to update until Monday08:52
rickspencer3due to Python08:52
rickspencer3I don't think anyone wants to waste time helping me get my computer running again during the weekend ;)08:52
brycehrickspencer3, when I was doing automated testing before, what I looked for was the change in #fails from one day to the next.  Are you keeping daily statistics so you can spot changes in #'s?08:53
rickspencer3didrocks, also, I guess "open a new instance" was added to launcher items, too08:53
rickspencer3bryceh, well, it's not my project directly08:53
rickspencer3but I would love to see that kind of thing08:53
rickspencer3the next step, I think, is to look at the tools we are using08:53
rickspencer3I'm wondering if we should be using trial + testtools, and integrate mago into that08:54
rickspencer3like create derive MagoTest from Test and add all the ldtp functinality there08:54
rickspencer3the tests are hard enough to maintain, I'm not sure maintaining a test runner and test library is terribly useful08:55
rickspencer3plus if we used trial, we could integrate the UI tests with unit tests quite easily08:55
rickspencer3</pontification>08:55
didrockshum, seems I was disconnected09:00
didrocks09:55:00     didrocks | rickspencer3: right, and it works well :)09:00
didrocks09:55:24     didrocks | hum, I think updating evolution to evolution express layout by default will be a shock for some people :)09:01
rickspencer3didrocks, hey09:01
rickspencer3didrocks, well, it works for me09:01
didrocksrickspencer3: evolution express or the "open a new instance"09:01
rickspencer3didrocks, both09:02
rickspencer3well, I must have open new instance09:02
rickspencer3I use workspaces09:02
rickspencer3I spent some time this week whining about how they broke my work flow09:02
rickspencer3so I think they added the new instance thing to get me off their backs09:02
rickspencer3;)09:02
didrocksrickspencer3: I saw the related bug report :)09:02
rickspencer3didrocks, well, imagine that bug report given to you verbally in person on a daily basis ;)09:02
didrocksrickspencer3: which means your whining is suprisingly more effective than seb's one or mine :)09:02
didrocks;)09:03
didrocksrickspencer3: for evolution express, I'm not happy with the new one: each time you click on a folder it opens a tab with a default layout which is different from your current one09:03
didrocksI'll see with upstream, I have no option for changing that it seems09:03
rickspencer3hmm09:03
didrocksas you can imagine, you end up with a lot of tabs quickly09:04
rickspencer3that seems a bit odd, yeah09:04
didrocksyou can't reorder them and such09:05
rickspencer3hmm09:05
rickspencer3I seem to recall that in Gtk tab ordering was not too hard to do09:05
rickspencer3tab, reordering, I mean09:05
didrocksyeah, I remember a blog post on planet GNOME about it09:06
didrocksthe most annoying thing to me is the default layout changing09:06
didrocksstill trying to see if it's the code or an option09:06
GunnarHjpitti: Hi Martin, I have replied to your latest comments on https://launchpad.net/bugs/553162 and the GDM merge proposal.09:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 553162 in language-selector (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing (affects: 30) (dups: 10) (heat: 188)" [Undecided,In progress]09:14
GunnarHjpitti: Haven't changed anything yet - tried to justify my suggested code instead.09:14
pittiGunnarHj: yep, saw it; I had hoped to put some more time into this this week, if there wouldn't have been so many fires to put out (OO.o, gdm, lauchpadlib, python); sorry about that09:15
GunnarHjpitti: Ok, fire fighting is definitely more urgent. No problem - I'll just await your next step.09:19
=== dbarth_ is now known as dbarth
dbarthhyia09:38
pittibonjour dbarth09:38
dbarthpitti: hi, sorry if i'm the 101 one to bug you with the work items09:38
dbarthpitti: guten morgen09:38
dbarthpitti: but it sounds like the script lost the milestone definitions or somthing?09:38
pittidbarth: yeah, seems james_w's extra_projects patch somehow wreaked havoc09:38
pittidbarth: I'm currently putting out another fire in the binarymangler, then I'll get to this one, and then back to burning OO.o09:39
dbarthah nw, i'll just ignore the spam for now; was not sure if that was a definitive milestone renaming09:39
pittifirefighting week..09:39
* dbarth passes a water bucket to pitti09:40
didrockssalut dbarth09:45
dbarthdidrocks: salut09:45
rodrigo_morning09:46
didrockshey rodrigo_!09:47
didrockspitti: hum, dbusmenu has some instability issue, so no unity binary for now09:49
didrocksnot sure if kenvandine was working on it09:49
pitti:(09:50
didrockss/instability/is not installable09:50
rodrigo_any idea about the missing /etc/termcap file?10:06
=== bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs
didrockspitti: trying a rebuild, I can install dbusmenu on my pbuilder (same version)10:13
didrocksgrrr, still FTBFS10:16
* didrocks reopens his chroot10:16
=== bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs
didrockspitti: libdbusmenu-glib2 is in universe10:21
didrockspitti: is it intended?10:21
pittididrocks: no, that's a bug10:21
pittisome archive admin didn't pay attention10:22
didrockspitti: ok, at least, we have the explanation :)10:22
pittididrocks: fixed; will take 90 minutes to actually get active, though10:22
didrockspitti: ok, need to wait for a publisher run, right?10:23
didrocksthanks a lot for doing all this multi-tasking pitti :)10:24
pittiok, burnout charts unbroken10:24
* pitti hugs didrocks10:24
pittididrocks: correct10:24
brycehburnout charts?  ;-)10:24
* didrocks hugs pitti10:25
pittibryceh: I think that term was coined in some 1-on-1 between rickspencer3 and me, where we discussed both burnout and work items :)10:28
didrocksit's a rampage I guess :) and hopefully some falldown during holidays :)10:29
rickspencer3pitti, I wish I could figure out a way to convince you guys to not sign up for so many work items10:31
rickspencer3I mean, it's a good problem to have, people want to get a lot done10:32
rickspencer3but I guess I hope people feel they can set reasonable goals in work items10:32
pittirickspencer3: well, didrocks has half of them this cycle, for unity :)10:32
rickspencer3heh10:33
didrocksyeah, but there are small :)10:33
didrocks(it's normally the time of making a joke around "size" and "matter", but well… ;))10:33
rickspencer3heh10:33
rodrigo_:)10:33
rickspencer3well, here are some unhelpful manager platitudes:10:33
rickspencer3"work smarter not harder"10:34
rickspencer3etc...10:34
rickspencer3there, burn out problem all fixed10:34
rodrigo_is anyone running with all the latest updates for natty?10:34
didrocksrodrigo_: depends on what you call all the latest :)10:34
didrocksrodrigo_: I've updated yesterday morning10:35
brycehyeah I am, freshly updated10:35
rodrigo_didrocks, well, I apt-get upgrade'd yesterday and got all the updates10:35
didrocks+ new unity/nux/bamf of course :)10:35
=== al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away
rodrigo_and gnome-terminal doesn't work, it complains about missing /etc/termcap10:35
rodrigo_which package does that file belong to?10:35
didrocksrodrigo_: I'm using terminator, sorry :)10:35
didrocksand I don't have that file as well10:35
rodrigo_didrocks, terminator fails also10:35
didrocksyeah, they both uses vte10:35
rodrigo_didrocks, don't you see a message about it in terminator?10:36
didrocksnot at all10:36
rodrigo_hmm10:36
didrockslet me see what apt-get update tells me10:36
didrockswell, it tells me I break everything with my local evolution :)10:37
rodrigo_:)10:37
didrocksrodrigo_: oh right, forget about it, because my local nux is bad and I had to --force-depends, I won't upgrade until getting the archive nux10:37
didrocks(and unity)10:37
rodrigo_ah10:37
rodrigo_bryceh, you up-to-date? don't get that error?10:38
brycehrodrigo_, nope, gnome-terminal works fine for me here10:38
rodrigo_:(10:38
didrocksrodrigo_: what env | grep TERM tells you?10:38
didrocksset to xterm?10:38
rodrigo_TERM=xterm10:39
rodrigo_XTERM_SHELL=/bin/bash10:39
rodrigo_XTERM_LOCALE=en_US.UTF-810:39
rodrigo_XTERM_VERSION=XTerm(259)10:39
didrockssounds good… (I don't have all the XTERM info, but well…)10:39
brycehnot that I'm not seeing other issues...  ;-)10:39
seb128hello10:39
didrockssalut seb128!10:39
seb128how are things today?10:40
rodrigo_hi seb12810:40
didrocksseb128: well, we are using the time you aren't there to break everything, as usual :)10:41
seb128that's why I joined :p10:41
* didrocks runs…10:41
seb128did kenvandine manage to rebuild the indicators?10:41
seb128or are those broken still?10:41
seb128he was still debugging with ted when I went to bed10:42
didrocksI didn't see him this morning, so not sure10:42
seb128I read the IRC backlog before stopping the computer10:42
seb128well said differently "did people upgrade and got a broken system"?10:42
rodrigo_seb128, I have some stuff broken after an upgrade, but not the indicators, it seems10:45
seb128ok10:45
seb128didrocks, did someone promote the libdbusmenu binary for you?10:53
seb128unity and the indicator stack failed to build10:53
didrocksseb128: yeah, pitti did10:53
didrocksstill pending for the publisher to run to ask for a rebuild10:54
seb128ok10:56
seb128I just retried a bunch of those which failed again10:56
seb128do you know when pitti did the promotion?10:56
seb128didrocks, what is the perf bootchart in unity?10:57
seb128just curious ;-)10:57
didrocksseb128: it's a tool to hook up in the system bootchart for system starts and such10:58
didrocksseb128: not used for now :)10:58
seb128ok10:58
didrocksseb128: I think I don't need to breaks: against nux? (if you get the new gnome-session and not the new nux-tools package pulled as a recommend by unity, you won't have the unity session starting but gnome-panel + compiz)11:03
seb128didrocks, no, just a recommends should do11:04
seb128though seems almost a case where unity should depends on it11:04
didrocksseb128: right, but what about the other derivatives like ubuntu-studio? it will pull nux then11:05
seb128why?11:05
seb128well unity depends on it anyway?11:06
seb128is there a way to install unity without it?11:06
didrocksseb128: no, but ubuntu-studio doesn't want unity by default11:06
didrocks"just a recommends should do" -> you mean gnome-session or unity?11:06
seb128" though seems almost a case where unity should depends on it"11:07
didrocksok, not sure it was related11:07
seb128wdyt?11:07
didrocksso agreed, that's what I've done :)11:07
didrocksjust wanted to double check11:07
didrocksno deps, recommends11:07
didrocksunity can work without it11:07
didrocksit's just for session starting11:07
seb128I would use a depends anyway11:08
seb128we know how recommends go for those sort of things11:08
seb128empathy recommends dconf11:08
seb128we get bugs regularly about people who don't get the recommends for random reasons11:08
didrocksand we got a lot of feedback?11:08
didrocksok11:08
didrocksso yeah, can change that in a future upload as depends11:08
seb128yeah11:09
didrocksit's just than if someone is upgrading gnome-session without unity, he will be fallbacked11:09
didrockswhich is fine I guess for now11:09
seb128recommends are fine for things like gnome-session recommends nautilus11:09
didrocksok11:09
seb128but if you need it to get functional, like having the session start for most user, depends is better11:09
didrocksok, will do that, that's for your advice11:09
seb128yw11:10
didrocksFYI, the detection module take 2s on my system, so yeah, we will need to cache it11:10
didrocksmy system isn't that slow :)11:10
seb128how did you measure it?11:12
didrocksseb128: oh, it's just empiric right now, time + launching it11:13
didrocksseb128: it was just to get an idea if it was quick or not11:13
didrocksI think as it's spawned by gnome-session, we will see it as a separate process in bootcharts11:13
seb128didrocks, ignore the unity build failure it does fail11:15
seb128I retried the build since launchpad showed libdbusmenu binaries published11:15
seb128but seems they are not, indicators still fail to build11:15
didrocksseb128: hum, ok, thanks for the notice :) seems you really want the new unity!!! ;) (and you are right, the latest release is eally good :))11:16
didrocksI got trapped one or twice by launchpad telling me it's published and it wasn't11:16
didrocksnot sure what's the right indication is11:16
seb128didrocks, well, I really don't want the indicator abi breakage to happen at the end of the day11:17
seb128when nobody is around if things breaks11:17
seb128I want the stack rebuilt now and people to test11:17
didrocksseb128: yeah, I understand, was just joke. It's the same for new nux breaking old unity11:17
seb128if we just wait things will start being rebuilt like a 6pm european time11:17
seb128and break when nobody is left at work11:17
didrocks(abi break but even if the packaging handles that, I guess people will do partial upgrades…)11:18
pittiseb128: promotion to main will still need to wait for the current publisher run11:18
seb128pitti, well launchpad changed from "pending" to "published"11:19
seb128which I though meant that the publisher has run11:19
pittiseb128: no, only that it started to run11:19
seb128didrocks, well it's rather that ken had issues yesterday with the new libdbusmenu11:20
pittii. e. it switched to "published" around 12:0511:20
seb128didrocks, like upstream code breakages11:20
pittiand it will be "really" published at 13:0011:20
seb128pitti, ok, I was an hour off11:20
seb128I know that the publisher starts just after the hour and take between half an hour and an hour11:20
seb128I just though that it would switch to "published" in launchpad after the actual publishing on the archive11:21
didrocksoh ok, so launchpad "published" means "ready for next publisher run?"11:21
seb128seems it means "published on launchpad"11:21
seb128then it needs to be published on the archive11:21
didrocksok. Now I'll look at the time it is and it will easier for me to know when it's actually published :)11:22
didrocks(as in "in the archive")11:22
seb128well the publisher starts just after the hour and takes a bit less than 1 hour11:23
seb128so it's always in the 2 hours after a build11:23
seb128between 1 or 2 hours depending when you get the build11:23
didrocksyeah, I know that, I was just thinking the launchpad status was reflecting the archive publishing status11:23
seb128I usually don't watch the launchpad status but seems it doesn't reflect the archive since those retry failed :p11:24
pittiseb128: it's usually save to check with m on cocoplum11:26
pitti"m -s natty -S libdbusmenu"11:26
seb128pitti, thanks11:30
rodrigo_grr, brasero doesn't work neither11:35
didrocksrodrigo_: hum? it worked for me11:36
didrocksrodrigo_: I had a bug, like it's only the second time you burn your disc that it actually burns it11:36
didrocks(and I reproduced that twice)11:36
rodrigo_didrocks, crashes on my desktop, and just ejects the blank CD on my laptop11:36
didrockshum :/11:37
didrocksI just used it on Tuesday11:37
seb128didrocks, can you do eog and gedit no changes rebuilt?11:37
didrocksseb128: sure11:37
seb128it's for the python transition11:37
didrocksseb128: and so evo is needed as well or not?11:37
seb128thanks11:37
seb128yes11:38
didrocksok, so I'll revert the "express by default" part11:38
didrocksand then commit it again until we take a decision and have more info upstream11:38
seb128well I guess others need to be rebuilt as well still11:38
seb128didrocks, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.2.6-0ubuntu111:44
didrocksseb128: oh nice :)11:46
seb128ok, I retried most indicators now11:55
seb128time for lunch, I might be back later on but please try to dist-upgrade the unity and dx stack11:56
seb128so we know if something is broken before the end of week11:56
seb128pitti, can you new unity-common when unity finished building?11:57
pittiseb128: yes, can do11:57
seb128thanks11:57
seb128bbl11:57
kenvandinepitti, thanks for fixing the component mismatches for libdbusmenu11:57
pittikenvandine: no problem11:57
pittikenvandine: good morning -- early for you!11:57
kenvandineyeah...11:58
kenvandinechecking on the builds before feeding and getting the kids ready for school11:58
seb128kenvandine, I just retried the stack11:58
kenvandineall of yesterdays work is still tied up getting built11:58
seb128so you can come back in an hour11:58
kenvandinethx11:58
kenvandinei was about to do that, thanks!11:58
kenvandineseb128, can you get ofono and geoclue promoted?  we still need someone to review the gypsy  MIR12:00
seb128pitti, ^12:02
* pitti isn't in ~ubuntu-mir any more12:02
seb128does the geoclue stack really needs ofono?12:02
seb128anyway I'm not supposed to work today and late for lunch :p12:03
seb128pitti, I think mterry did the review12:03
seb128it needs promoted from an archive admin12:03
seb128kenvandine, ^ right?12:03
seb128anyway12:03
seb128bbl12:03
pittiI should probably close IRC for a few hours to finally get this **#$#$ OO.o to build12:03
pittiseb128: have a nice weekend!12:03
seb128thanks12:03
seb128you as well!12:03
didrocksseb128: enjoy your week-end :)12:03
kenvandineseb128, yeah, mterry handled the mir12:04
kenvandineseb128, enjoy!12:04
kenvandinewe'll handle it :)12:04
didrockspitti: oh, you are about updating OO.o? can I slip in a change?12:04
pittididrocks: sure12:04
didrockspitti: it will be a change in the .desktop file, need to talk to dx, can wait for an hour?12:05
didrocks(it shouldn't break the rest I guess :))12:05
pittididrocks: an _hour_? you're kidding me :)12:05
pittididrocks: I already spent 4 hours work and 12 hours realtime to even get it to build halfway :)12:06
didrockspitti: ok, so I think it can wait ;)12:06
pittididrocks: absolutely12:06
didrockspitti: good luck!12:06
pittididrocks: is that desktop file upstream?12:06
pittididrocks: due to the silly build system, making upstream changes is incredibly painful12:06
didrockspitti: it's adding unity quicklist support to the desktop upstream file, right :/12:07
didrocksyeah, with the goo directory…12:07
pittididrocks: so if you just tell me "please change this file to this and that", it'll take half an hour of actual work to turn that into a patch-in-patch12:07
didrockspitti: hum, I'll try to spent that half an hour myself on that then to not slow you down12:08
pittididrocks: well, I'll figure it out12:08
pittididrocks: it's just not "quickly slip in that patch"12:08
pittiand I really want to get that thing to build in the first place12:09
pittibefore touching anything else12:09
didrockspitti: sure :) there is no hurry in any case, it was just for avoiding another upload12:09
didrocksgood hunt :)12:09
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch
pittididrocks: thanks12:10
=== MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow
bcurtiswx_libubuntuone1.0-cil failed to upgrade13:36
bcurtiswx_error log http://paste.ubuntu.com/541869/13:36
nessitatoday's updates are trying to remove unity due to broken packages (hello all!) :-)13:42
nessitais that caused by the python2.7 update?13:42
didrockshey nessita13:42
didrocksnessita: borken packages?13:42
didrocksbroken*13:42
nessitahey didrocks!13:42
didrocksare you sure it's not just wait on unity-common?13:42
nessitadidrocks: not sure what you're asking13:43
didrocksnessita: what's your output of apt-get upgrade ?13:43
nessitadidrocks: hum, apt has nothing broken, aptitude had13:44
nessitadidrocks: I'll update with apt, thanks for the pointer13:44
didrocksyw13:46
=== almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan
bcurtiswx_im still waiting for a lot of packages to allow for install with apt13:53
bcurtiswx_like libgtk3.0 upgrades13:53
kenvandinerodrigo_, have you see the libubuntuone upgrade failure?13:56
pittididrocks: do you have concerns about any of your 17 WIs for alpha-2 that they are in danger?14:00
didrockspitti: let me have a look, one sec14:01
pittididrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-2.html#didrocks for your convenience14:01
didrockspitti: thanks :) ok, there is nothing worrying me really14:02
didrockswork on nautilus to get it not move when locking unlocking the launcher -> as told on the ML, someone can maybe pick that one14:02
pittididrocks: splendid; thanks for checking!14:02
didrocksand oneconf is optional14:02
pitti(currently writing weekly report for release meeting)14:03
didrockspitti: on evolution express, will discuss on next meeting, but not sure if we will push it by default14:03
pittididrocks: you mean "push" -> enable it in the .desktop files?14:03
didrocksright14:03
kenvandineyay... my gwibber/facebook allocation fix is really making a difference, yesterday we only had 234K over allocation failures14:04
didrockspitti: you can have a look with --express on the command line, and the multiple tab thing and weird behavior is worrying me14:04
didrockspitti: still waiting to chat with the upstream part taking care of evo express about it14:04
pittididrocks: ok; well, it won't break the world if we defer it14:04
kenvandinei really don't like that tabbed interface in express now14:04
didrockskenvandine: yeah, we quickly end up opening too many of them14:05
kenvandineyeah14:05
kenvandinenot how i like to read mail :)14:05
didrocksand they don't get the right layout as well (which is known bug)14:05
kenvandinei switched back to traditional14:05
didrockswell, let's discuss that next week :)14:05
kenvandineits a bummer though, i generally preferred express for my use,and think it is the better choice for default...14:07
didrocksoh nice! openoffice.org --help14:08
didrocksnever noticed it…14:08
rodrigo_kenvandine, a new one?14:08
* rodrigo_ looks14:08
kenvandine<bcurtiswx_> libubuntuone1.0-cil failed to upgrade14:08
kenvandine error log http://paste.ubuntu.com/541869/14:08
kenvandinei just got it too14:08
kenvandinehaven't looked though14:08
rodrigo_ok, looking14:08
kenvandinethx14:09
didrockspitti: good news, maybe the patch for openoffice won't be needed14:09
rodrigo_ah, it's the same as the bug I got this morning14:09
pittididrocks: oh?14:10
kenvandinerodrigo_, good... so reproducable :)14:10
didrockspitti: yeah, as unity now have this "open a new window" option that basically launch the desktop file, and that OOo create a new document in that case, we shouldn't need a new "create a new document" quicklist item14:11
rodrigo_kenvandine, well, seems to have installed fine for me, but yeah, at least 2 people reported it now14:11
kenvandineit is some of the gac magic i assume14:12
kenvandinebut i don't know much about that14:12
rodrigo_yes14:12
didrocksok, restarting to test the new session system, brb14:13
pittichrisccoulson: the firefox kde patch in bug 684482 - is that something upstream is/will be working on, or us?14:16
ubot2Launchpad bug 684482 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "kmozillahelper doesn't work with firefox 4 beta 7 (affects: 1) (heat: 469)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68448214:16
bcurtiswx_im guessing unity-common is new and is waiting for someone to approve ?14:17
chrisccoulsonpitti - we have a distro patch for that14:17
pittichrisccoulson: that but is targetted to alpha-2, but doesn't have an assignee; will you work on that, or the Kubuntu team, or upstream?14:22
chrisccoulsonpitti - that will be me, it's just a case of reviewing a merge request really14:23
pittichrisccoulson: ah, good; so that should be on track for a2?14:23
pittibcurtiswx_: already done14:23
chrisccoulsonpitti - yeah, that won't be a problem14:23
pittichrisccoulson: nice, thanks14:24
bcurtiswx_pitti \o/ :)14:24
didrockspitti: ok, so confirmed, no need for openoffice patch :)14:26
pittididrocks: ah, good; I'm just doing another test build, hope it'll get a bit further now14:26
geseris libindicate the current source package for python-indicate? so indicate-python could get removed from the archive (it also builds python-indicate)?14:27
kenvandinegeser, yes14:30
kenvandinedidrocks, so there is a way to do something with quicklists based on the desktop file?14:30
asacmvo: how do i enable partner with just one command line?14:30
asacmvo: just use apturl? or does add-apt-repository with some syntax?14:31
didrockskenvandine: from today yes14:32
didrockskenvandine: why?14:32
kenvandinecurious what kinds of things can be added14:32
didrockskenvandine: whatever you wish, but sorry, I'm kind of busy right now :)14:35
kenvandinedidrocks, no worries, i can read the source when i have time :)14:36
asac15:30 < asac> mvo: how do i enable partner with just one command line?14:37
asacanybody else knows?14:38
kenvandineasac, not me...14:38
asacthanks for at least not ignoring me kenvandine ;)14:38
didrocksneither do I asac, sorry14:39
asacin worst case i do apturl apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=lucid-partner14:39
asac;)14:39
asacof course maverick-partner14:39
asacbut i want to use add-apt-repository14:39
asachmm. seems it needs to be full apt line instead of ppa:...14:40
asacok works: "sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner""14:41
mvoasac: natty or maverick?14:48
mvoasac: "sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu natty partner" should work14:50
asacmvo: ack ... already found14:55
mvoasac: oki15:01
bcurtiswx_rodrigo_, should I be getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/541904/ right now for apt-get dist-upgrade ?15:04
rodrigo_bcurtiswx_, looking15:05
Sir_KonradI'm guessing that it just takes awhile for Unity to cache icons for the programs.15:05
rodrigo_bcurtiswx_, hmm, I guess it's because of the introspection rebuilds?15:05
rodrigo_bcurtiswx_, mterry should know15:06
* bcurtiswx_ pokes mterry15:10
=== bjf[afk] is now known as bjf
pittiwow, OO.o build going on for 1.5 hours already -- that's further than I ever got before \o/15:30
* pitti watches his four CPU cores glow15:30
=== zyga is now known as zyga-food
rodrigo_bcurtiswx, so, your empathy branch fails for me on libwebkitgtk having calls to undefined gtk functions15:38
rodrigo_to gdk_drawable stuff, to be more precise15:38
* bcurtiswx_ throws computer out window15:39
rodrigo_no, don't :)15:41
bcurtiswx_i had empathy 2.91.3 finally create a chat window.. then it wouldn't show me what was in the chat window.. was quite depressing15:41
bcurtiswx_im guessing once apt lets me upgrade GTK to 2.91.6 i will have much better luck15:42
rodrigo_ok, you'll keep working on the branch you told me, right?15:45
* bcurtiswx_ has blank stare15:47
bcurtiswx_Ohhh right15:47
bcurtiswx_my bzr branch15:47
bcurtiswx_yes, thats a work in progress.  There's a ton of things to add to changelog once I get it working15:48
bcurtiswx_im waiting on the new GTK to see if the source build works before attempting the patched debian build15:48
rodrigo_bcurtiswx_, right, I ask because I'll work from that branch to try building it, so please push everything you change there, ok?15:51
bcurtiswx_rodrigo_, will do15:53
=== dbarth__ is now known as dbarth
=== zyga-food is now known as zyga
scott-workdidrocks: ping16:38
didrocksscott-work: hey16:40
scott-workhi didrocks :)  do you have time to explain a bit about setting gnome as the default session?16:41
didrocksscott-work: sure16:42
scott-workdidrocks: i believe this is the postinit you mentioned: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/natty/annotate/head%3A/debian/postinst16:43
scott-worker, postinst16:43
didrocksscott-work: right16:43
didrocksscott-work: ignore all the gconf part16:43
scott-workdidrocks: okay16:44
didrockswhat interests you there is:16:44
didrockscase "$1" in16:44
didrocksconfigure|upgrade)16:44
didrocksif [ -x /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-set-default-session ] ; then16:44
didrocks    /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-set-default-session --keep-old une || true16:44
didrocksfi16:44
didrocks;; esac16:44
didrocksso, use that helper16:44
didrocks--keep-old tells "don't set it as a default session if there is another one explicitely set"16:45
didrocks(the default ubuntu session doesn't count)16:45
didrocksthat's what xubuntu and mythbuntu are using too16:45
didrocksthen, the parameter is session name16:46
didrockshere "une"16:46
scott-workhmmm, okay, i'm not a programmer but i can follow the logic16:46
didrocksso, it will look for /usr/share/xsessions/une.desktop16:46
scott-workyeah, obviously i need something else besides une :)16:46
didrocksof course :)16:46
didrocksI would suggest your own session16:47
didrocksor you can use gnome-classic16:47
scott-worki'll also dig into the xubuntu code as well16:47
scott-workgnome-classic should be good, have they renamed the session yet?  isn't just called gnome at this point?16:47
* scott-work is not at home on ubuntu :( and can't look under /usr/share/xsessions16:48
didrocksscott-work: I've already named the session this way16:48
didrocksso, yeah, gnome-classic should be good16:48
didrocksbut I've added a lot of stuff since lucid for diverging gconf path16:49
didrocksand making une and mythbuntu parallelly installable to traditional desktop session16:49
didrockswhich means one session doesn't screw up the paramater of another one16:49
scott-workokay, found xubuntu's settings also16:53
didrocksscott-work: look at une one on maverick, than can be interesting to you16:53
scott-workdidrocks: i noticed UNE says for configure|upgrade but xubuntu only says upgrade16:54
didrocksscott-work: should be configure|upgrade for that, but it doesn't really matter16:54
scott-worksorry, people keep coming to my desk and asking questions :P16:56
scott-workdidrocks: yes, i will also look at maverick une code as well then16:56
scott-workdidrocks: i think this is enough for me to move forward with albeit with some help from the.muso or per.sia perhaps to make sure i'm not doing anything studpid ;)16:57
didrocksscott-work: I think the best way for you is to look at that and ask me on Monday if you have other questions16:57
scott-workthank you greatly16:57
didrocksscott-work: you will see that I change values in gconf and such16:57
didrocksscott-work: you're really welcome :)16:57
scott-workokay, so you are saying that the maverick une method is NOT the way to do it ?16:57
* scott-work hasn't look at it yet16:57
didrocksscott-work: no, it's the way to do if for you so that people can install ubuntu-studio alongside ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu or mythbuntu17:00
didrocksscott-work: it's a little more work but it worth it17:00
scott-workdidrocks: i looked at the maverick une settings http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/maverick/annotate/head%3A/debian/postinst17:05
scott-workit appears to be the same as http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/natty/annotate/head%3A/debian/postinst17:05
didrocksscott-work: not completely, there are some arch dependant stuff17:05
scott-workexcept in the natty code you added the armel section17:05
didrocksscott-work: also, look at the full package for setting the session17:05
didrocksnot only the postinst in that case17:05
scott-workoh!17:06
scott-workokay :)17:06
bcurtiswx_i wish I didn't have to use wireless at home18:05
pittigood night everyone!18:07
pittihave a nice weekend18:07
bcurtiswx_nite pitti18:07
=== ivanka is now known as ivanka-train
bcurtiswx_why does apt want me to install python2.6-dev when 2.7-dev is available ?18:14
bcurtiswx_ah ha, i see my problem maybe18:15
bcurtiswx_xchat-gnome depends on 2.618:15
bcurtiswx_it needs to be rebuilt18:15
bcurtiswx_im using that currently18:15
didrockshave a nice week-end pitti :)18:18
=== al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away
bcurtiswx_how would I go about rebuilding xchat-gnome ? up its dep on GTK ?18:52
=== dbarth__ is now known as davidbarth
=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter
vish hi, are we getting any GNOME package updated to v3.0 ?19:04
vishany app rather..19:05
=== bjf is now known as bjf[afk]
cyphermoxdoes somebody have time to review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/xchat-gnome/update-to-0.26.2+git/+merge/43283 ?20:19
nessitahi all! does anyone know how i need to tweak debian/control to solve:20:53
nessita The following packages have unmet dependencies:  ubuntu-sso-client : Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed20:53
nessitasince I'm not specifying any python version explicitely20:53
cyphermoxinstalling what package is saying this?20:55
nessitacyphermox: I've got a report for ubuntu-sso-client (see bug #687 852)20:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 687 in launchpad-foundations "ProductReleaseVocabulary doesn't sort correctly (dup-of: 73094)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68720:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 73094 in launchpad-registry "Product page should order series by importance, releases in order (dups: 1)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7309420:57
nessitabug #687852 :-)20:57
ubot2Launchpad bug 687852 in valide "Unable to compile SVN (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68785220:57
nessitaoops! my bad :-D bug #68795220:58
ubot2Launchpad bug 687952 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-sso-client python dependency error (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68795220:58
Sarvattnessita: no change rebuild20:58
* nessita is suffering from Friday afternoon typos20:58
cyphermoxah20:58
nessitaSarvatt: ok, I'll do that. Thanks!20:58
SarvattI just no change rebuilt it locally, Depends: python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.7), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-dbus, python-gtk2, python-lazr.restfulclient, python-oauth, python-twisted-core, python-twisted-web, python-webkit, python-xdg20:58
=== bjf[afk] is now known as bjf

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!