[00:00] <RAOF> Heh.  Yeah, that's a bit annoying.
[00:02] <RAOF> That and nm-applet + unity-panel-service slowly, slowly but surely eating my memory.
[01:30] <kenvandine> RAOF, cyphermox is looking at the nm-applet leak, it is related to appindicator
[02:30] <Amaranth> ah, so nm-applet and unity-panel-service are the reason my computer gets progressively slower until it grinds to a halt
[02:30] <Amaranth> constantly swapping
[02:31] <Amaranth> nm-applet also has mnemonics enabled, the _ in my ESSID get turned in to underlines
[03:02] <kenvandine> hey jasoncwarner
[03:04] <jasoncwarner> hey kenvandine
[03:04] <kenvandine> i have the whole indicator stack queued up to build blocked on dbusmenu
[03:04] <kenvandine> good times
[03:05] <kenvandine> trying to get an archive admin to approve dbusmenu binNEWs so the rest can build... and people can stop getting half their desktop held back on upgrade
[03:06] <kenvandine> doko is looking now
[03:06] <jasoncwarner> I think that is more fun that me ;) Right now I am fighting to keep my internet connection alive :/ seems telstra is having problems right now
[03:06] <jasoncwarner> so, I might drop out (again)
[03:07] <kenvandine> well, trying to do all the updates... i had to fight to keep my network up
[03:07] <RAOF> I think you might need to strike the “now” from that sentence :)
[03:07] <kenvandine> there was a bug causing nm-applet to make my network go up and down
[03:07] <jasoncwarner> RAOF: thanks :)
[03:08] <RAOF> jasoncwarner: Just being a ray of sunshine :)
[03:08] <kenvandine> i could get my wired connection up with ifconfig... then a few minutes later nm-applet would decide to enable/disable loop would be fun
[03:08] <kenvandine> over and over again
[03:08] <jasoncwarner> kenvandine: oh man! that's rough.
[03:08] <kenvandine> it was a bug in dbusmenu though
[03:08] <kenvandine> which we got fixed
[03:09] <kenvandine> check items in menus didn't work
[03:09] <jasoncwarner> RAOF: I've been in queue w/ Telstra for, get this, 90 minutes and counting.
[03:09] <kenvandine> so toggling them sent an extra signal, toggling them back
[03:09] <kenvandine> so as it toggled,it would just keep toggling
[03:09] <jasoncwarner> I can see why that would be a bad thing ;)
[03:09] <kenvandine> glad we found it quick :)
[03:09] <kenvandine> before everyone got it
[03:09] <kenvandine> it was ugly
[03:10] <kenvandine> i did lots of cursing here...
[03:10] <RAOF> jasoncwarner: Testra are famous for their customer service.  Yay monopoly telco!
[03:10] <kenvandine> seemed like everytime i did a bzr push or merge my net would go down
[04:35] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner: Yeah my experience with Telstra is that they have great infrastructure, but the training and knowledge of their phone staff is often somewhat lacking.
[04:36]  * TheMuso notes that since connecting to cable in May, he has not had one drop out or network slowness.
[04:36] <TheMuso> slowdown even.
[04:38]  * RAOF whistles.  Here, fibre, fibre, fibre, fibre!  NBN rollout, this way please!
[04:41] <TheMuso> heh
[04:42] <TheMuso> RAOF: You have a legit reason for wanting it ASAP though. I am fortunate enough to be in an area where I am spoilt for choice.
[04:42] <TheMuso> So if I am still living here when it finally gets to metro Syd, then I'll be one of the last to get it.
[04:43] <RAOF> TheMuso: Well, I'm actually pretty well off for ADSL options.  Although cable isn't (satelite is, but imagine what launchpad would be like with >2 sec latency on each roundtrip ☺)
[04:47] <TheMuso> Painful I'll bet.
[05:10] <Amaranth> heh, I have 5mbit ADSL that's usually more like 1.5
[05:10] <Amaranth> and it seems to hate launchpad
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[08:35] <rickspencer3> good morning all
[08:37] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3
[08:39] <rickspencer3> bonjour didrocks
[08:40] <rickspencer3> didrocks, fyi, Unity never starts when I boot my Dell mini 10v
[08:40] <rickspencer3> I'd be happy to provide any debugging info or such
[08:40] <didrocks> rickspencer3: oh really, what do you get?
[08:40] <didrocks> wallpaper only?
[08:40] <rickspencer3> (well, I guess compiz never starts)
[08:40] <rickspencer3> didrocks, yes
[08:40] <rickspencer3> it happens every single time
[08:40] <didrocks> rickspencer3: it's an upgrade?
[08:40] <rickspencer3> so I start a terminal and run compiz and all if fine
[08:40] <rickspencer3> didrocks, yes, it's an upgrade
[08:41] <didrocks> rickspencer3: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager
[08:42] <rickspencer3> oops, it says metacity
[08:42] <rickspencer3> didrocks, ^
[08:42] <didrocks> rickspencer3: I put that in the release note :)
[08:42] <rickspencer3> asha
[08:43] <rickspencer3> aha, even
[08:43] <didrocks> rickspencer3: so known issue, which come from the long thread I posted on ubuntu-desktop ML :)
[08:43] <rickspencer3> well, I'm not on the ubuntu-desktop team, anymore
[08:43] <didrocks> rickspencer3: today, I'll upload a new gnome-session system
[08:43] <rickspencer3> *sniff*
[08:43] <didrocks> this should fix that case :)
[08:43] <rickspencer3> if I change metacity to compiz, I assume it wills tart working again
[08:43]  * didrocks hugs rickspencer3
[08:43] <didrocks> rickspencer3: exactly
[08:44] <mvo> vish: did you do the lisp icon in s-c? its just too cool :)
[08:44] <pitti> Good morning
[08:44] <mvo> hey pitti
[08:44] <didrocks> rickspencer3: gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager compiz
[08:44] <pitti> didrocks: looking (sorry, got up late as I went to bed late)
[08:44] <didrocks> pitti: no worry :) and hey o/
[08:45] <didrocks> good morning mvo as well :)
[08:45] <pitti> mvo: guten Morgen!
[08:45] <vish> mvo: yea, thanks.. mpt gave the idea of using '(( ))'   :)
[08:45] <rickspencer3> thanks didrocks
[08:45] <rickspencer3> hey pitti, mvo, vish
[08:45] <mvo> hey didrocks, good morning rickspencer3
[08:45] <didrocks> rickspencer3: you're welcome.
[08:45] <pitti> hey Rick, how's London?
[08:45] <didrocks> hey vish
[08:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: do you have snow as well?
[08:46] <vish> hey rickspencer3 , pitti ,  didrocks :)
[08:46] <rickspencer3> pitti, SRU testing went well
[08:46] <pitti> hey vish
[08:46] <rickspencer3> I am happy with that
[08:46] <rickspencer3> pitti, no snow, it's too warm
[08:46] <pitti> rickspencer3: for the new kernel? yes, this one was exceptionally smooth
[08:46] <rickspencer3> pitti, that's great, but I was referring to the automated test sprint this week
[08:46] <pitti> didrocks: nux NEWed; unity is depwait on this
[08:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: ah, even better :)
[08:47] <rickspencer3> indeed
[08:47] <rickspencer3> :)
[08:47] <didrocks> pitti: right, I'll ping you once build. Thanks!
[08:47] <didrocks> built*
[08:47] <pitti> rickspencer3: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/ is pure awesome
[08:48] <rickspencer3> well, it's getting there
[08:48] <rickspencer3> nice to have the dashboard, but I'd like to see an order of magnitude more tests :)
[08:49]  * rickspencer3 whip cracking noises
[08:50] <bryceh> pretty sizable proportion of failures there
[08:50] <rickspencer3> didrocks, I am absolutely delighted with Unity on my Dell mini 10v
[08:50] <rickspencer3> bryceh, well, lots of them are the tests themselves failing
[08:50] <rickspencer3> and then there are a lot of known bugs that aren't being picked up by tests
[08:50] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yeah I just set it up on my 10v this evening
[08:50] <didrocks> rickspencer3: nice, the perfs are good?
[08:51] <rickspencer3> didrocks, yes, smoking fast
[08:51] <didrocks> excellent :)
[08:51] <rickspencer3> it's faster on my small screen i945 than my larger i965 machine
[08:51] <bryceh> rickspencer3, ahh yeah the standard two problems for all automated tests
[08:51] <didrocks> rickspencer3: you will see, once you will have the update today, you can't live anymore without intellihide :)
[08:51] <rickspencer3> yes, unfortunately UI testing is quite brittle
[08:52] <rickspencer3> didrocks, sweet, but I was told not to update until Monday
[08:52] <rickspencer3> due to Python
[08:52] <rickspencer3> I don't think anyone wants to waste time helping me get my computer running again during the weekend ;)
[08:53] <bryceh> rickspencer3, when I was doing automated testing before, what I looked for was the change in #fails from one day to the next.  Are you keeping daily statistics so you can spot changes in #'s?
[08:53] <rickspencer3> didrocks, also, I guess "open a new instance" was added to launcher items, too
[08:53] <rickspencer3> bryceh, well, it's not my project directly
[08:53] <rickspencer3> but I would love to see that kind of thing
[08:53] <rickspencer3> the next step, I think, is to look at the tools we are using
[08:54] <rickspencer3> I'm wondering if we should be using trial + testtools, and integrate mago into that
[08:54] <rickspencer3> like create derive MagoTest from Test and add all the ldtp functinality there
[08:55] <rickspencer3> the tests are hard enough to maintain, I'm not sure maintaining a test runner and test library is terribly useful
[08:55] <rickspencer3> plus if we used trial, we could integrate the UI tests with unit tests quite easily
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[09:00] <didrocks> hum, seems I was disconnected
[09:00] <didrocks> 09:55:00     didrocks | rickspencer3: right, and it works well :)
[09:01] <didrocks> 09:55:24     didrocks | hum, I think updating evolution to evolution express layout by default will be a shock for some people :)
[09:01] <rickspencer3> didrocks, hey
[09:01] <rickspencer3> didrocks, well, it works for me
[09:01] <didrocks> rickspencer3: evolution express or the "open a new instance"
[09:02] <rickspencer3> didrocks, both
[09:02] <rickspencer3> well, I must have open new instance
[09:02] <rickspencer3> I use workspaces
[09:02] <rickspencer3> I spent some time this week whining about how they broke my work flow
[09:02] <rickspencer3> so I think they added the new instance thing to get me off their backs
[09:02] <rickspencer3> ;)
[09:02] <didrocks> rickspencer3: I saw the related bug report :)
[09:02] <rickspencer3> didrocks, well, imagine that bug report given to you verbally in person on a daily basis ;)
[09:02] <didrocks> rickspencer3: which means your whining is suprisingly more effective than seb's one or mine :)
[09:03] <didrocks> ;)
[09:03] <didrocks> rickspencer3: for evolution express, I'm not happy with the new one: each time you click on a folder it opens a tab with a default layout which is different from your current one
[09:03] <didrocks> I'll see with upstream, I have no option for changing that it seems
[09:03] <rickspencer3> hmm
[09:04] <didrocks> as you can imagine, you end up with a lot of tabs quickly
[09:04] <rickspencer3> that seems a bit odd, yeah
[09:05] <didrocks> you can't reorder them and such
[09:05] <rickspencer3> hmm
[09:05] <rickspencer3> I seem to recall that in Gtk tab ordering was not too hard to do
[09:05] <rickspencer3> tab, reordering, I mean
[09:06] <didrocks> yeah, I remember a blog post on planet GNOME about it
[09:06] <didrocks> the most annoying thing to me is the default layout changing
[09:06] <didrocks> still trying to see if it's the code or an option
[09:14] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin, I have replied to your latest comments on https://launchpad.net/bugs/553162 and the GDM merge proposal.
[09:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 553162 in language-selector (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing (affects: 30) (dups: 10) (heat: 188)" [Undecided,In progress]
[09:14] <GunnarHj> pitti: Haven't changed anything yet - tried to justify my suggested code instead.
[09:15] <pitti> GunnarHj: yep, saw it; I had hoped to put some more time into this this week, if there wouldn't have been so many fires to put out (OO.o, gdm, lauchpadlib, python); sorry about that
[09:19] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, fire fighting is definitely more urgent. No problem - I'll just await your next step.
[09:38] <dbarth> hyia
[09:38] <pitti> bonjour dbarth
[09:38] <dbarth> pitti: hi, sorry if i'm the 101 one to bug you with the work items
[09:38] <dbarth> pitti: guten morgen
[09:38] <dbarth> pitti: but it sounds like the script lost the milestone definitions or somthing?
[09:38] <pitti> dbarth: yeah, seems james_w's extra_projects patch somehow wreaked havoc
[09:39] <pitti> dbarth: I'm currently putting out another fire in the binarymangler, then I'll get to this one, and then back to burning OO.o
[09:39] <dbarth> ah nw, i'll just ignore the spam for now; was not sure if that was a definitive milestone renaming
[09:39] <pitti> firefighting week..
[09:40]  * dbarth passes a water bucket to pitti
[09:45] <didrocks> salut dbarth
[09:45] <dbarth> didrocks: salut
[09:46] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:47] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_!
[09:49] <didrocks> pitti: hum, dbusmenu has some instability issue, so no unity binary for now
[09:49] <didrocks> not sure if kenvandine was working on it
[09:50] <pitti> :(
[09:50] <didrocks> s/instability/is not installable
[10:06] <rodrigo_> any idea about the missing /etc/termcap file?
[10:13] <didrocks> pitti: trying a rebuild, I can install dbusmenu on my pbuilder (same version)
[10:16] <didrocks> grrr, still FTBFS
[10:16]  * didrocks reopens his chroot
[10:21] <didrocks> pitti: libdbusmenu-glib2 is in universe
[10:21] <didrocks> pitti: is it intended?
[10:21] <pitti> didrocks: no, that's a bug
[10:22] <pitti> some archive admin didn't pay attention
[10:22] <didrocks> pitti: ok, at least, we have the explanation :)
[10:22] <pitti> didrocks: fixed; will take 90 minutes to actually get active, though
[10:23] <didrocks> pitti: ok, need to wait for a publisher run, right?
[10:24] <didrocks> thanks a lot for doing all this multi-tasking pitti :)
[10:24] <pitti> ok, burnout charts unbroken
[10:24]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[10:24] <pitti> didrocks: correct
[10:24] <bryceh> burnout charts?  ;-)
[10:25]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[10:28] <pitti> bryceh: I think that term was coined in some 1-on-1 between rickspencer3 and me, where we discussed both burnout and work items :)
[10:29] <didrocks> it's a rampage I guess :) and hopefully some falldown during holidays :)
[10:31] <rickspencer3> pitti, I wish I could figure out a way to convince you guys to not sign up for so many work items
[10:32] <rickspencer3> I mean, it's a good problem to have, people want to get a lot done
[10:32] <rickspencer3> but I guess I hope people feel they can set reasonable goals in work items
[10:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: well, didrocks has half of them this cycle, for unity :)
[10:33] <rickspencer3> heh
[10:33] <didrocks> yeah, but there are small :)
[10:33] <didrocks> (it's normally the time of making a joke around "size" and "matter", but well… ;))
[10:33] <rickspencer3> heh
[10:33] <rodrigo_> :)
[10:33] <rickspencer3> well, here are some unhelpful manager platitudes:
[10:34] <rickspencer3> "work smarter not harder"
[10:34] <rickspencer3> etc...
[10:34] <rickspencer3> there, burn out problem all fixed
[10:34] <rodrigo_> is anyone running with all the latest updates for natty?
[10:34] <didrocks> rodrigo_: depends on what you call all the latest :)
[10:35] <didrocks> rodrigo_: I've updated yesterday morning
[10:35] <bryceh> yeah I am, freshly updated
[10:35] <rodrigo_> didrocks, well, I apt-get upgrade'd yesterday and got all the updates
[10:35] <didrocks> + new unity/nux/bamf of course :)
[10:35] <rodrigo_> and gnome-terminal doesn't work, it complains about missing /etc/termcap
[10:35] <rodrigo_> which package does that file belong to?
[10:35] <didrocks> rodrigo_: I'm using terminator, sorry :)
[10:35] <didrocks> and I don't have that file as well
[10:35] <rodrigo_> didrocks, terminator fails also
[10:35] <didrocks> yeah, they both uses vte
[10:36] <rodrigo_> didrocks, don't you see a message about it in terminator?
[10:36] <didrocks> not at all
[10:36] <rodrigo_> hmm
[10:36] <didrocks> let me see what apt-get update tells me
[10:37] <didrocks> well, it tells me I break everything with my local evolution :)
[10:37] <rodrigo_> :)
[10:37] <didrocks> rodrigo_: oh right, forget about it, because my local nux is bad and I had to --force-depends, I won't upgrade until getting the archive nux
[10:37] <didrocks> (and unity)
[10:37] <rodrigo_> ah
[10:38] <rodrigo_> bryceh, you up-to-date? don't get that error?
[10:38] <bryceh> rodrigo_, nope, gnome-terminal works fine for me here
[10:38] <rodrigo_> :(
[10:38] <didrocks> rodrigo_: what env | grep TERM tells you?
[10:38] <didrocks> set to xterm?
[10:39] <rodrigo_> TERM=xterm
[10:39] <rodrigo_> XTERM_SHELL=/bin/bash
[10:39] <rodrigo_> XTERM_LOCALE=en_US.UTF-8
[10:39] <rodrigo_> XTERM_VERSION=XTerm(259)
[10:39] <didrocks> sounds good… (I don't have all the XTERM info, but well…)
[10:39] <bryceh> not that I'm not seeing other issues...  ;-)
[10:39] <seb128> hello
[10:39] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[10:40] <seb128> how are things today?
[10:40] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[10:41] <didrocks> seb128: well, we are using the time you aren't there to break everything, as usual :)
[10:41] <seb128> that's why I joined :p
[10:41]  * didrocks runs…
[10:41] <seb128> did kenvandine manage to rebuild the indicators?
[10:41] <seb128> or are those broken still?
[10:42] <seb128> he was still debugging with ted when I went to bed
[10:42] <didrocks> I didn't see him this morning, so not sure
[10:42] <seb128> I read the IRC backlog before stopping the computer
[10:42] <seb128> well said differently "did people upgrade and got a broken system"?
[10:45] <rodrigo_> seb128, I have some stuff broken after an upgrade, but not the indicators, it seems
[10:45] <seb128> ok
[10:53] <seb128> didrocks, did someone promote the libdbusmenu binary for you?
[10:53] <seb128> unity and the indicator stack failed to build
[10:53] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, pitti did
[10:54] <didrocks> still pending for the publisher to run to ask for a rebuild
[10:56] <seb128> ok
[10:56] <seb128> I just retried a bunch of those which failed again
[10:56] <seb128> do you know when pitti did the promotion?
[10:57] <seb128> didrocks, what is the perf bootchart in unity?
[10:57] <seb128> just curious ;-)
[10:58] <didrocks> seb128: it's a tool to hook up in the system bootchart for system starts and such
[10:58] <didrocks> seb128: not used for now :)
[10:58] <seb128> ok
[11:03] <didrocks> seb128: I think I don't need to breaks: against nux? (if you get the new gnome-session and not the new nux-tools package pulled as a recommend by unity, you won't have the unity session starting but gnome-panel + compiz)
[11:04] <seb128> didrocks, no, just a recommends should do
[11:04] <seb128> though seems almost a case where unity should depends on it
[11:05] <didrocks> seb128: right, but what about the other derivatives like ubuntu-studio? it will pull nux then
[11:05] <seb128> why?
[11:06] <seb128> well unity depends on it anyway?
[11:06] <seb128> is there a way to install unity without it?
[11:06] <didrocks> seb128: no, but ubuntu-studio doesn't want unity by default
[11:06] <didrocks> "just a recommends should do" -> you mean gnome-session or unity?
[11:07] <seb128> " though seems almost a case where unity should depends on it"
[11:07] <didrocks> ok, not sure it was related
[11:07] <seb128> wdyt?
[11:07] <didrocks> so agreed, that's what I've done :)
[11:07] <didrocks> just wanted to double check
[11:07] <didrocks> no deps, recommends
[11:07] <didrocks> unity can work without it
[11:07] <didrocks> it's just for session starting
[11:08] <seb128> I would use a depends anyway
[11:08] <seb128> we know how recommends go for those sort of things
[11:08] <seb128> empathy recommends dconf
[11:08] <seb128> we get bugs regularly about people who don't get the recommends for random reasons
[11:08] <didrocks> and we got a lot of feedback?
[11:08] <didrocks> ok
[11:08] <didrocks> so yeah, can change that in a future upload as depends
[11:09] <seb128> yeah
[11:09] <didrocks> it's just than if someone is upgrading gnome-session without unity, he will be fallbacked
[11:09] <didrocks> which is fine I guess for now
[11:09] <seb128> recommends are fine for things like gnome-session recommends nautilus
[11:09] <didrocks> ok
[11:09] <seb128> but if you need it to get functional, like having the session start for most user, depends is better
[11:09] <didrocks> ok, will do that, that's for your advice
[11:10] <seb128> yw
[11:10] <didrocks> FYI, the detection module take 2s on my system, so yeah, we will need to cache it
[11:10] <didrocks> my system isn't that slow :)
[11:12] <seb128> how did you measure it?
[11:13] <didrocks> seb128: oh, it's just empiric right now, time + launching it
[11:13] <didrocks> seb128: it was just to get an idea if it was quick or not
[11:13] <didrocks> I think as it's spawned by gnome-session, we will see it as a separate process in bootcharts
[11:15] <seb128> didrocks, ignore the unity build failure it does fail
[11:15] <seb128> I retried the build since launchpad showed libdbusmenu binaries published
[11:15] <seb128> but seems they are not, indicators still fail to build
[11:16] <didrocks> seb128: hum, ok, thanks for the notice :) seems you really want the new unity!!! ;) (and you are right, the latest release is eally good :))
[11:16] <didrocks> I got trapped one or twice by launchpad telling me it's published and it wasn't
[11:16] <didrocks> not sure what's the right indication is
[11:17] <seb128> didrocks, well, I really don't want the indicator abi breakage to happen at the end of the day
[11:17] <seb128> when nobody is around if things breaks
[11:17] <seb128> I want the stack rebuilt now and people to test
[11:17] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I understand, was just joke. It's the same for new nux breaking old unity
[11:17] <seb128> if we just wait things will start being rebuilt like a 6pm european time
[11:17] <seb128> and break when nobody is left at work
[11:18] <didrocks> (abi break but even if the packaging handles that, I guess people will do partial upgrades…)
[11:18] <pitti> seb128: promotion to main will still need to wait for the current publisher run
[11:19] <seb128> pitti, well launchpad changed from "pending" to "published"
[11:19] <seb128> which I though meant that the publisher has run
[11:19] <pitti> seb128: no, only that it started to run
[11:20] <seb128> didrocks, well it's rather that ken had issues yesterday with the new libdbusmenu
[11:20] <pitti> i. e. it switched to "published" around 12:05
[11:20] <seb128> didrocks, like upstream code breakages
[11:20] <pitti> and it will be "really" published at 13:00
[11:20] <seb128> pitti, ok, I was an hour off
[11:20] <seb128> I know that the publisher starts just after the hour and take between half an hour and an hour
[11:21] <seb128> I just though that it would switch to "published" in launchpad after the actual publishing on the archive
[11:21] <didrocks> oh ok, so launchpad "published" means "ready for next publisher run?"
[11:21] <seb128> seems it means "published on launchpad"
[11:21] <seb128> then it needs to be published on the archive
[11:22] <didrocks> ok. Now I'll look at the time it is and it will easier for me to know when it's actually published :)
[11:22] <didrocks> (as in "in the archive")
[11:23] <seb128> well the publisher starts just after the hour and takes a bit less than 1 hour
[11:23] <seb128> so it's always in the 2 hours after a build
[11:23] <seb128> between 1 or 2 hours depending when you get the build
[11:23] <didrocks> yeah, I know that, I was just thinking the launchpad status was reflecting the archive publishing status
[11:24] <seb128> I usually don't watch the launchpad status but seems it doesn't reflect the archive since those retry failed :p
[11:26] <pitti> seb128: it's usually save to check with m on cocoplum
[11:26] <pitti> "m -s natty -S libdbusmenu"
[11:30] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[11:35] <rodrigo_> grr, brasero doesn't work neither
[11:36] <didrocks> rodrigo_: hum? it worked for me
[11:36] <didrocks> rodrigo_: I had a bug, like it's only the second time you burn your disc that it actually burns it
[11:36] <didrocks> (and I reproduced that twice)
[11:36] <rodrigo_> didrocks, crashes on my desktop, and just ejects the blank CD on my laptop
[11:37] <didrocks> hum :/
[11:37] <didrocks> I just used it on Tuesday
[11:37] <seb128> didrocks, can you do eog and gedit no changes rebuilt?
[11:37] <didrocks> seb128: sure
[11:37] <seb128> it's for the python transition
[11:37] <didrocks> seb128: and so evo is needed as well or not?
[11:37] <seb128> thanks
[11:38] <seb128> yes
[11:38] <didrocks> ok, so I'll revert the "express by default" part
[11:38] <didrocks> and then commit it again until we take a decision and have more info upstream
[11:38] <seb128> well I guess others need to be rebuilt as well still
[11:44] <seb128> didrocks, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/3.2.6-0ubuntu1
[11:46] <didrocks> seb128: oh nice :)
[11:55] <seb128> ok, I retried most indicators now
[11:56] <seb128> time for lunch, I might be back later on but please try to dist-upgrade the unity and dx stack
[11:56] <seb128> so we know if something is broken before the end of week
[11:57] <seb128> pitti, can you new unity-common when unity finished building?
[11:57] <pitti> seb128: yes, can do
[11:57] <seb128> thanks
[11:57] <seb128> bbl
[11:57] <kenvandine> pitti, thanks for fixing the component mismatches for libdbusmenu
[11:57] <pitti> kenvandine: no problem
[11:57] <pitti> kenvandine: good morning -- early for you!
[11:58] <kenvandine> yeah...
[11:58] <kenvandine> checking on the builds before feeding and getting the kids ready for school
[11:58] <seb128> kenvandine, I just retried the stack
[11:58] <kenvandine> all of yesterdays work is still tied up getting built
[11:58] <seb128> so you can come back in an hour
[11:58] <kenvandine> thx
[11:58] <kenvandine> i was about to do that, thanks!
[12:00] <kenvandine> seb128, can you get ofono and geoclue promoted?  we still need someone to review the gypsy  MIR
[12:02] <seb128> pitti, ^
[12:02]  * pitti isn't in ~ubuntu-mir any more
[12:02] <seb128> does the geoclue stack really needs ofono?
[12:03] <seb128> anyway I'm not supposed to work today and late for lunch :p
[12:03] <seb128> pitti, I think mterry did the review
[12:03] <seb128> it needs promoted from an archive admin
[12:03] <seb128> kenvandine, ^ right?
[12:03] <seb128> anyway
[12:03] <seb128> bbl
[12:03] <pitti> I should probably close IRC for a few hours to finally get this **#$#$ OO.o to build
[12:03] <pitti> seb128: have a nice weekend!
[12:03] <seb128> thanks
[12:03] <seb128> you as well!
[12:03] <didrocks> seb128: enjoy your week-end :)
[12:04] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah, mterry handled the mir
[12:04] <kenvandine> seb128, enjoy!
[12:04] <kenvandine> we'll handle it :)
[12:04] <didrocks> pitti: oh, you are about updating OO.o? can I slip in a change?
[12:04] <pitti> didrocks: sure
[12:05] <didrocks> pitti: it will be a change in the .desktop file, need to talk to dx, can wait for an hour?
[12:05] <didrocks> (it shouldn't break the rest I guess :))
[12:05] <pitti> didrocks: an _hour_? you're kidding me :)
[12:06] <pitti> didrocks: I already spent 4 hours work and 12 hours realtime to even get it to build halfway :)
[12:06] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so I think it can wait ;)
[12:06] <pitti> didrocks: absolutely
[12:06] <didrocks> pitti: good luck!
[12:06] <pitti> didrocks: is that desktop file upstream?
[12:06] <pitti> didrocks: due to the silly build system, making upstream changes is incredibly painful
[12:07] <didrocks> pitti: it's adding unity quicklist support to the desktop upstream file, right :/
[12:07] <didrocks> yeah, with the goo directory…
[12:07] <pitti> didrocks: so if you just tell me "please change this file to this and that", it'll take half an hour of actual work to turn that into a patch-in-patch
[12:08] <didrocks> pitti: hum, I'll try to spent that half an hour myself on that then to not slow you down
[12:08] <pitti> didrocks: well, I'll figure it out
[12:08] <pitti> didrocks: it's just not "quickly slip in that patch"
[12:09] <pitti> and I really want to get that thing to build in the first place
[12:09] <pitti> before touching anything else
[12:09] <didrocks> pitti: sure :) there is no hurry in any case, it was just for avoiding another upload
[12:09] <didrocks> good hunt :)
[12:10] <pitti> didrocks: thanks
[13:36] <bcurtiswx_> libubuntuone1.0-cil failed to upgrade
[13:36] <bcurtiswx_> error log http://paste.ubuntu.com/541869/
[13:42] <nessita> today's updates are trying to remove unity due to broken packages (hello all!) :-)
[13:42] <nessita> is that caused by the python2.7 update?
[13:42] <didrocks> hey nessita
[13:42] <didrocks> nessita: borken packages?
[13:42] <didrocks> broken*
[13:42] <nessita> hey didrocks!
[13:42] <didrocks> are you sure it's not just wait on unity-common?
[13:43] <nessita> didrocks: not sure what you're asking
[13:43] <didrocks> nessita: what's your output of apt-get upgrade ?
[13:44] <nessita> didrocks: hum, apt has nothing broken, aptitude had
[13:44] <nessita> didrocks: I'll update with apt, thanks for the pointer
[13:46] <didrocks> yw
[13:53] <bcurtiswx_> im still waiting for a lot of packages to allow for install with apt
[13:53] <bcurtiswx_> like libgtk3.0 upgrades
[13:56] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, have you see the libubuntuone upgrade failure?
[14:00] <pitti> didrocks: do you have concerns about any of your 17 WIs for alpha-2 that they are in danger?
[14:01] <didrocks> pitti: let me have a look, one sec
[14:01] <pitti> didrocks: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-2.html#didrocks for your convenience
[14:02] <didrocks> pitti: thanks :) ok, there is nothing worrying me really
[14:02] <didrocks> work on nautilus to get it not move when locking unlocking the launcher -> as told on the ML, someone can maybe pick that one
[14:02] <pitti> didrocks: splendid; thanks for checking!
[14:02] <didrocks> and oneconf is optional
[14:03] <pitti> (currently writing weekly report for release meeting)
[14:03] <didrocks> pitti: on evolution express, will discuss on next meeting, but not sure if we will push it by default
[14:03] <pitti> didrocks: you mean "push" -> enable it in the .desktop files?
[14:03] <didrocks> right
[14:04] <kenvandine> yay... my gwibber/facebook allocation fix is really making a difference, yesterday we only had 234K over allocation failures
[14:04] <didrocks> pitti: you can have a look with --express on the command line, and the multiple tab thing and weird behavior is worrying me
[14:04] <didrocks> pitti: still waiting to chat with the upstream part taking care of evo express about it
[14:04] <pitti> didrocks: ok; well, it won't break the world if we defer it
[14:04] <kenvandine> i really don't like that tabbed interface in express now
[14:05] <didrocks> kenvandine: yeah, we quickly end up opening too many of them
[14:05] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:05] <kenvandine> not how i like to read mail :)
[14:05] <didrocks> and they don't get the right layout as well (which is known bug)
[14:05] <kenvandine> i switched back to traditional
[14:05] <didrocks> well, let's discuss that next week :)
[14:07] <kenvandine> its a bummer though, i generally preferred express for my use,and think it is the better choice for default...
[14:08] <didrocks> oh nice! openoffice.org --help
[14:08] <didrocks> never noticed it…
[14:08] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, a new one?
[14:08]  * rodrigo_ looks
 libubuntuone1.0-cil failed to upgrade
[14:08] <kenvandine>  error log http://paste.ubuntu.com/541869/
[14:08] <kenvandine> i just got it too
[14:08] <kenvandine> haven't looked though
[14:08] <rodrigo_> ok, looking
[14:09] <kenvandine> thx
[14:09] <didrocks> pitti: good news, maybe the patch for openoffice won't be needed
[14:09] <rodrigo_> ah, it's the same as the bug I got this morning
[14:10] <pitti> didrocks: oh?
[14:10] <kenvandine> rodrigo_, good... so reproducable :)
[14:11] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, as unity now have this "open a new window" option that basically launch the desktop file, and that OOo create a new document in that case, we shouldn't need a new "create a new document" quicklist item
[14:11] <rodrigo_> kenvandine, well, seems to have installed fine for me, but yeah, at least 2 people reported it now
[14:12] <kenvandine> it is some of the gac magic i assume
[14:12] <kenvandine> but i don't know much about that
[14:12] <rodrigo_> yes
[14:13] <didrocks> ok, restarting to test the new session system, brb
[14:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: the firefox kde patch in bug 684482 - is that something upstream is/will be working on, or us?
[14:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 684482 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "kmozillahelper doesn't work with firefox 4 beta 7 (affects: 1) (heat: 469)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684482
[14:17] <bcurtiswx_> im guessing unity-common is new and is waiting for someone to approve ?
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> pitti - we have a distro patch for that
[14:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that but is targetted to alpha-2, but doesn't have an assignee; will you work on that, or the Kubuntu team, or upstream?
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - that will be me, it's just a case of reviewing a merge request really
[14:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, good; so that should be on track for a2?
[14:23] <pitti> bcurtiswx_: already done
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that won't be a problem
[14:24] <pitti> chrisccoulson: nice, thanks
[14:24] <bcurtiswx_> pitti \o/ :)
[14:26] <didrocks> pitti: ok, so confirmed, no need for openoffice patch :)
[14:26] <pitti> didrocks: ah, good; I'm just doing another test build, hope it'll get a bit further now
[14:27] <geser> is libindicate the current source package for python-indicate? so indicate-python could get removed from the archive (it also builds python-indicate)?
[14:30] <kenvandine> geser, yes
[14:30] <kenvandine> didrocks, so there is a way to do something with quicklists based on the desktop file?
[14:30] <asac> mvo: how do i enable partner with just one command line?
[14:31] <asac> mvo: just use apturl? or does add-apt-repository with some syntax?
[14:32] <didrocks> kenvandine: from today yes
[14:32] <didrocks> kenvandine: why?
[14:32] <kenvandine> curious what kinds of things can be added
[14:35] <didrocks> kenvandine: whatever you wish, but sorry, I'm kind of busy right now :)
[14:36] <kenvandine> didrocks, no worries, i can read the source when i have time :)
[14:37] <asac> 15:30 < asac> mvo: how do i enable partner with just one command line?
[14:38] <asac> anybody else knows?
[14:38] <kenvandine> asac, not me...
[14:38] <asac> thanks for at least not ignoring me kenvandine ;)
[14:39] <didrocks> neither do I asac, sorry
[14:39] <asac> in worst case i do apturl apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=lucid-partner
[14:39] <asac> ;)
[14:39] <asac> of course maverick-partner
[14:39] <asac> but i want to use add-apt-repository
[14:40] <asac> hmm. seems it needs to be full apt line instead of ppa:...
[14:41] <asac> ok works: "sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner""
[14:48] <mvo> asac: natty or maverick?
[14:50] <mvo> asac: "sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu natty partner" should work
[14:55] <asac> mvo: ack ... already found
[15:01] <mvo> asac: oki
[15:04] <bcurtiswx_> rodrigo_, should I be getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/541904/ right now for apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[15:05] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, looking
[15:05] <Sir_Konrad> I'm guessing that it just takes awhile for Unity to cache icons for the programs.
[15:05] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, hmm, I guess it's because of the introspection rebuilds?
[15:06] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, mterry should know
[15:10]  * bcurtiswx_ pokes mterry
[15:30] <pitti> wow, OO.o build going on for 1.5 hours already -- that's further than I ever got before \o/
[15:30]  * pitti watches his four CPU cores glow
[15:38] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx, so, your empathy branch fails for me on libwebkitgtk having calls to undefined gtk functions
[15:38] <rodrigo_> to gdk_drawable stuff, to be more precise
[15:39]  * bcurtiswx_ throws computer out window
[15:41] <rodrigo_> no, don't :)
[15:41] <bcurtiswx_> i had empathy 2.91.3 finally create a chat window.. then it wouldn't show me what was in the chat window.. was quite depressing
[15:42] <bcurtiswx_> im guessing once apt lets me upgrade GTK to 2.91.6 i will have much better luck
[15:45] <rodrigo_> ok, you'll keep working on the branch you told me, right?
[15:47]  * bcurtiswx_ has blank stare
[15:47] <bcurtiswx_> Ohhh right
[15:47] <bcurtiswx_> my bzr branch
[15:48] <bcurtiswx_> yes, thats a work in progress.  There's a ton of things to add to changelog once I get it working
[15:48] <bcurtiswx_> im waiting on the new GTK to see if the source build works before attempting the patched debian build
[15:51] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, right, I ask because I'll work from that branch to try building it, so please push everything you change there, ok?
[15:53] <bcurtiswx_> rodrigo_, will do
[16:38] <scott-work> didrocks: ping
[16:40] <didrocks> scott-work: hey
[16:41] <scott-work> hi didrocks :)  do you have time to explain a bit about setting gnome as the default session?
[16:42] <didrocks> scott-work: sure
[16:43] <scott-work> didrocks: i believe this is the postinit you mentioned: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/natty/annotate/head%3A/debian/postinst
[16:43] <scott-work> er, postinst
[16:43] <didrocks> scott-work: right
[16:43] <didrocks> scott-work: ignore all the gconf part
[16:44] <scott-work> didrocks: okay
[16:44] <didrocks> what interests you there is:
[16:44] <didrocks> case "$1" in
[16:44] <didrocks> configure|upgrade)
[16:44] <didrocks> if [ -x /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-set-default-session ] ; then
[16:44] <didrocks>     /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-set-default-session --keep-old une || true
[16:44] <didrocks> fi
[16:44] <didrocks> ;; esac
[16:44] <didrocks> so, use that helper
[16:45] <didrocks> --keep-old tells "don't set it as a default session if there is another one explicitely set"
[16:45] <didrocks> (the default ubuntu session doesn't count)
[16:45] <didrocks> that's what xubuntu and mythbuntu are using too
[16:46] <didrocks> then, the parameter is session name
[16:46] <didrocks> here "une"
[16:46] <scott-work> hmmm, okay, i'm not a programmer but i can follow the logic
[16:46] <didrocks> so, it will look for /usr/share/xsessions/une.desktop
[16:46] <scott-work> yeah, obviously i need something else besides une :)
[16:46] <didrocks> of course :)
[16:47] <didrocks> I would suggest your own session
[16:47] <didrocks> or you can use gnome-classic
[16:47] <scott-work> i'll also dig into the xubuntu code as well
[16:47] <scott-work> gnome-classic should be good, have they renamed the session yet?  isn't just called gnome at this point?
[16:48]  * scott-work is not at home on ubuntu :(  and can't look under /usr/share/xsessions
[16:48] <didrocks> scott-work: I've already named the session this way
[16:48] <didrocks> so, yeah, gnome-classic should be good
[16:49] <didrocks> but I've added a lot of stuff since lucid for diverging gconf path
[16:49] <didrocks> and making une and mythbuntu parallelly installable to traditional desktop session
[16:49] <didrocks> which means one session doesn't screw up the paramater of another one
[16:53] <scott-work> okay, found xubuntu's settings also
[16:53] <didrocks> scott-work: look at une one on maverick, than can be interesting to you
[16:54] <scott-work> didrocks: i noticed UNE says for configure|upgrade but xubuntu only says upgrade
[16:54] <didrocks> scott-work: should be configure|upgrade for that, but it doesn't really matter
[16:56] <scott-work> sorry, people keep coming to my desk and asking questions :P
[16:56] <scott-work> didrocks: yes, i will also look at maverick une code as well then
[16:57] <scott-work> didrocks: i think this is enough for me to move forward with albeit with some help from the.muso or per.sia perhaps to make sure i'm not doing anything studpid ;)
[16:57] <didrocks> scott-work: I think the best way for you is to look at that and ask me on Monday if you have other questions
[16:57] <scott-work> thank you greatly
[16:57] <didrocks> scott-work: you will see that I change values in gconf and such
[16:57] <didrocks> scott-work: you're really welcome :)
[16:57] <scott-work> okay, so you are saying that the maverick une method is NOT the way to do it ?
[16:57]  * scott-work hasn't look at it yet
[17:00] <didrocks> scott-work: no, it's the way to do if for you so that people can install ubuntu-studio alongside ubuntu-desktop, xubuntu or mythbuntu
[17:00] <didrocks> scott-work: it's a little more work but it worth it
[17:05] <scott-work> didrocks: i looked at the maverick une settings http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/maverick/annotate/head%3A/debian/postinst
[17:05] <scott-work> it appears to be the same as http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-netbook-default-settings/natty/annotate/head%3A/debian/postinst
[17:05] <didrocks> scott-work: not completely, there are some arch dependant stuff
[17:05] <scott-work> except in the natty code you added the armel section
[17:05] <didrocks> scott-work: also, look at the full package for setting the session
[17:05] <didrocks> not only the postinst in that case
[17:06] <scott-work> oh!
[17:06] <scott-work> okay :)
[18:05] <bcurtiswx_> i wish I didn't have to use wireless at home
[18:07] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:07] <pitti> have a nice weekend
[18:07] <bcurtiswx_> nite pitti
[18:14] <bcurtiswx_> why does apt want me to install python2.6-dev when 2.7-dev is available ?
[18:15] <bcurtiswx_> ah ha, i see my problem maybe
[18:15] <bcurtiswx_> xchat-gnome depends on 2.6
[18:15] <bcurtiswx_> it needs to be rebuilt
[18:15] <bcurtiswx_> im using that currently
[18:18] <didrocks> have a nice week-end pitti :)
[18:52] <bcurtiswx_> how would I go about rebuilding xchat-gnome ? up its dep on GTK ?
[19:04] <vish>  hi, are we getting any GNOME package updated to v3.0 ?
[19:05] <vish> any app rather..
[20:19] <cyphermox> does somebody have time to review https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/xchat-gnome/update-to-0.26.2+git/+merge/43283 ?
[20:53] <nessita> hi all! does anyone know how i need to tweak debian/control to solve:
[20:53] <nessita>  The following packages have unmet dependencies:  ubuntu-sso-client : Depends: python (< 2.7) but 2.7.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[20:53] <nessita> since I'm not specifying any python version explicitely
[20:55] <cyphermox> installing what package is saying this?
[20:57] <nessita> cyphermox: I've got a report for ubuntu-sso-client (see bug #687 852)
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687 in launchpad-foundations "ProductReleaseVocabulary doesn't sort correctly (dup-of: 73094)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/687
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 73094 in launchpad-registry "Product page should order series by importance, releases in order (dups: 1)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73094
[20:57] <nessita> bug #687852 :-)
[20:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687852 in valide "Unable to compile SVN (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/687852
[20:58] <nessita> oops! my bad :-D bug #687952
[20:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 687952 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-sso-client python dependency error (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/687952
[20:58] <Sarvatt> nessita: no change rebuild
[20:58]  * nessita is suffering from Friday afternoon typos
[20:58] <cyphermox> ah
[20:58] <nessita> Sarvatt: ok, I'll do that. Thanks!
[20:58] <Sarvatt> I just no change rebuilt it locally, Depends: python (<< 2.8), python (>= 2.7), python-support (>= 0.90.0), python-dbus, python-gtk2, python-lazr.restfulclient, python-oauth, python-twisted-core, python-twisted-web, python-webkit, python-xdg