[00:33] <Mez> Sucks. Got woken up cause there was a burst pipe downstairs.
[00:33] <Mez> Cold and wet now
[00:36]  * BigRedS would've slept through it
[00:36] <BigRedS> In fact, I should really be sleeping now, come to think o fit
[00:37]  * BigRedS goes to bed
[00:40] <Mez> BigRedS: THEY CAME AND KNOCKED MY DOOR!
[00:40] <Mez> damn caps
[00:47] <gord|afk> downloading the tron legacy album on ubuntu one, i love u1 -_-
[00:48] <gord> also, turns out i set myself afk on the wrong server hours ago but only just noticed \o/
[03:25] <ooo_> join #loic
[06:52] <screen-x> morning :)
[07:12] <dogmatic69> o/
[07:59] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:01] <exobuzz> as this channel is not for political content but ubuntu, i wish there was an ubuntu tool, that allowed me to punch the government and the police in the face..
[08:01] <exobuzz> thanks.. cary on
[08:01] <exobuzz> +r
[08:07] <screen-x> morning exobuzz
[08:08] <screen-x> exobuzz: you can use any standard web browser for issuing remote punches, the problem is installing remote-punch-daemon in a location near enough to the target.
[08:09] <screen-x> and in other news, I reported a bug.
[08:09] <screen-x> bug 688464
[08:10] <exobuzz> screen-x, haha thanks :)
[08:11] <exobuzz> screen-x, i believe a remote punch daemon was unsuccessfully installed into the princes car yesterday although a window got slightly cracked.. bbc news is busy crying about it on his behalf currently.
[08:12] <exobuzz> because the most important thing about yesterday is this. and nothing else happened.
[08:13] <MooDoo> what happened yesterday [he says crawling out his bubble]
[08:13] <screen-x> hmm, I can't get to bbc new from here, I think I killed in /etc/hosts in a last ditch attempt at some productivity.
[08:13] <exobuzz> t'internet
[08:16] <MooDoo> i'm guessing i missed something yesterday then, suppose i better read the news
[08:20] <exobuzz> the news missed the policeman i saw in the background during a news report where he pushed a peaceful protester violently out the way even before any of the stuff really started. it also missed everything the police did but saw lots of violent students making trouble. it also saw the poor prince, going out to the variety performance have a window slightly broken.. the news also has seen how bad the internet is to allow recent ddos attacks and no
[08:20] <exobuzz> w it will need more restrictions. the news has spoken
[08:20] <MooDoo> ah nothing interesting then ;)
[08:20] <exobuzz> :)
[08:22] <dogmatic69> i am having problems uploading files to my server
[08:22] <screen-x> 27k tuition fees + 9k living costs, I don't think the uni is worth 36k debt to most people.
[08:22] <dogmatic69> ive tried all sorts and i cant get it right
[08:22] <screen-x> dogmatic69: ubuntu server?
[08:23] <dogmatic69> ye
[08:23] <dogmatic69> [public_html dev] $ sudo chmod 755 views/themed/ -vR
[08:23] <dogmatic69> mode of `views/themed/' changed to 0755 (rwxr-xr-x)
[08:23] <exobuzz> dogmatic69, your server has been disabled by the government as you are an unlawful dissident .. or its some other problem
[08:23] <screen-x> dogmatic69: upload via http?
[08:23] <dogmatic69> no
[08:23] <dogmatic69> ssh / ftp whatever
[08:24] <screen-x> dogmatic69: ubuntu client?
[08:24] <exobuzz> screen-x, but for those that can afford it, there will be plenty of space at the uni ;-)
[08:24] <boeheid> im bored
[08:24] <screen-x> boeheid: write me an uber ldap/kerberos identity management webinterface, thanks.
[08:24] <dogmatic69> screen-x: ubuntu 10.10x64 both machines and it was working 5 min ago
[08:25] <exobuzz> anyway. im going to rest now. just angry at the crap bbc news reporting about yesterday.. incredibly one sided.. which seems in recent years to be the case.. sad.
[08:25] <dogmatic69> i deleted the folder, created a new one and tried to upload stuff
[08:25] <boeheid> screen-x i already did
[08:25] <screen-x> boeheid: linky?
[08:25] <boeheid> exo dont watch bbc then, they are nazi
[08:25] <exobuzz> they are.
[08:25] <exobuzz> i never thought i would get a more balanced view from RT!
[08:25] <boeheid> TV licence is a farce
[08:26] <dogmatic69> :/
[08:26]  * MooDoo loves reading stuff in here
[08:26] <exobuzz> that too
[08:26] <boeheid> idiots
[08:26] <screen-x> dogmatic69: are you using scp? do you get any errors?
[08:26] <dogmatic69> scp?
[08:26] <boeheid> smart people dont pay it
[08:26] <exobuzz> mines up for non renewal this year i think. **ck em
[08:26] <boeheid> you actually paid? lol what a n00b
[08:26] <MooDoo> oooooo can i use the !offtopic
[08:26] <exobuzz> ill unplug it .. no law broken. its all crap anyway
[08:26] <exobuzz> yeh i know
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> !politics
[08:26] <exobuzz> what an idiot!
[08:26] <MooDoo> yay
[08:26] <exobuzz> im finished. thanks bye bed :-)
[08:27] <dogmatic69> screen-x: http://pastebin.com/6RD7G85p
[08:27] <dogmatic69> ftp ^
[08:27] <boeheid> whos talking politics?
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> boeheid: TV licensing = politics
[08:27] <boeheid> aw chill oot
[08:27] <exobuzz> actually.. tv licensing = cnuts
[08:27] <exobuzz> ok. im gone really..
[08:27] <screen-x> dogmatic69: for transfering files between two ubuntu boxes, scp is great.
[08:27] <boeheid> its nothing to do with politics
[08:27] <screen-x> scp = secure copy, it uses ssh.
[08:27] <boeheid> but then he proll got caught
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> !ohmy
[08:28] <MooDoo> just keep it out the channel as most of use aren't really interested
[08:28] <boeheid> and im interesed in your rubbush most of the time?
[08:28] <boeheid> i dont complain
[08:28] <dogmatic69> screen-x: ssh nautilus http://i.min.us/iCmiA.png
[08:29] <dogmatic69> screen-x: i use git 99% of the time
[08:30] <screen-x> dogmatic69: try and create the dir, on the server as your user. Fix permissions till it works, then go back to trying remote copying
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all :-)
[08:31] <MooDoo> morning
[08:31] <screen-x> \o TheOpenSourcerer
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> o/
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Someone wants to give me a donation for my WP theme :-) 1st time that has happened.
[08:31] <screen-x> \o/ nice people
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://oztronomy.net/
[08:32] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: yes i saw that :)  nice link a the bottom of the page too :)
[08:33] <dogmatic69> screen-x: i own everything and the chmod looks right to me http://pastebin.com/zJpweQQy
[08:33] <dogmatic69> the path is view/themed/clean/*
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> dogmatic69: Do an ls -l rather than "o" so we can see the group too.
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> The do a "whoami"
[08:35] <dogmatic69> drwxr-xr-x 5 dogmatic69 users 4096 2010-12-10 08:20 clean
[08:36] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: ^
[08:36] <dogmatic69> its a slicehost server and "users" is the normal group
[08:36] <dogmatic69> [themed dev] $ groups dogmatic69
[08:36] <dogmatic69> dogmatic69 : users
[08:36] <boeheid> B-)
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> can you create stuff from the command line? i.e. touch test.file
[08:38] <dogmatic69> http://pastebin.com/ma8PfMev
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> So you have the right perms. Where did the nautilus error come from? Are you running it over ssh -X?
[08:40] <dogmatic69> ssh user@server
[08:40] <dogmatic69> also ftp aint working
[08:41] <screen-x> dogmatic69: does copying files/folders to other locations work? eg /tmp
[08:42] <dogmatic69> i just copied to /var/www/sites/dogmatic69.com/public_html
[08:42] <dogmatic69> the one that does not work is /var/www/sites/dogmatic69.com/public_html/view/themed/*
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> can you do scp? From your local machine: scp test.file user@host: will put it in your home dir
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can put the full path after the colon if you want to try and dump something in the problem dir.
[08:45] <dogmatic69> i copied the files to /var/www/sites/dogmatic69.com/public_html and then cp'ed them to the right location
[08:45] <dogmatic69> now everything is there
[08:45] <dogmatic69> wtf
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:47] <dogmatic69> that is balls
[08:48] <dogmatic69> perms for working drwxr-xr-x 14 dogmatic69 users 4096 2010-12-10 08:43 public_html
[08:48] <dogmatic69> not working drwxr-xr-x 4 dogmatic69 users 4096 2010-12-10 08:43 themed
[08:48] <dogmatic69> what is the 14 and 4
[08:49] <screen-x> 4 is the link count, I can't see 14.
[08:50] <screen-x> oh, on the previous line...
[08:51] <dogmatic69> there are other places i cant copy to also
[08:54] <screen-x> \o/ kerberos replication to slave KDC finally working
[08:57] <daubers> Morning
[08:58] <MooDoo> morning daubers
[09:00] <dogmatic69> screen-x: i just rm -r the whole lot, will upload a .gz of the repo
[09:00] <dogmatic69> i think its the git clone that fked it up
[09:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:00] <screen-x> dogmatic69: if you use git consistently it should be ok, and that would be a very good way of managing it.
[09:00] <dogmatic69> that is what i normally do
[09:01] <dogmatic69> as its just a os project the repo is on github so git clone address is easy
[09:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mind your eyes: http://www.dokimos.org/ajff/ (ouch)
[09:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.flowtown.com/blog/9-websites-stuck-in-the-1990s-2
[09:04] <BigRedS> I thought they'd killed Geocities?
[09:04] <nigelb> Morning Uk-ites
[09:04] <nigelb> TheOpenSourcerer: Oh dear
[09:04] <nigelb> "How not to design websites"
[09:05] <BigRedS> TheOpenSourcerer: that's an awesomely modern bar the Christians have at the top of their page
[09:05] <BigRedS> sort-of implies somebody's actually maintaining that site still
[09:07] <screen-x> When TheOpenSourcerer said "mind your eyes" I thought you meant brace yourself for horrible design, not epileptic fit warning!
[09:15] <MooDoo> sorry can't read this i'm blind
[09:18] <kazade> morning all
[09:18] <Flashtek> o/
[09:18] <Flashtek> MooDoo: I do have a friend on IRC that actually is blind..
[09:19] <MooDoo> Flashtek: awesome, do they use some braile reader?
[09:19] <Flashtek> aye
[09:24] <popey> hmmmm
[09:24] <popey> boeheid looks like it was Linuxsapien
[09:25] <Flashtek> morning popey
[09:25] <popey> lo
[09:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lo popey - Ignortion seemed the best approach.
[09:26] <popey> indeed
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> DO NOT follow the link I posted here earlier.
[09:26] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: you're telling us now ;)
[09:26] <Flashtek> TheOpenSourcerer: which ?
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> This one: http://www.dokimos.org/ajff/ Don't go here. Whatever you do.
[09:27] <kaushal> hi
[09:27] <Flashtek> o/
[09:27] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: why?  apart from it looking aweful
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning kaushal
[09:27] <kaushal> I have 4 Gigs Physical RAM on my laptop
[09:27] <Flashtek> kaushal: cool
[09:27] <kaushal> But Ubuntu Desktop 10.10 recognizes only 3.4 GB
[09:27] <Flashtek> kaushal: 32bit or 64bit ?
[09:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo I was just trying to be a tad ironic.
[09:28] <kaushal> and what can be done about remaining 600MB
[09:28] <kaushal> 32 Bit
[09:28] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: ah sorry lol thought it was virused or something
[09:28] <Flashtek> kaushal: there is the issue.. 32bit can't count that high
[09:28] <popey> it can
[09:28] <Flashtek> kaushal: if you want to use the full RAM amount, use 64bit
[09:28] <popey> nope
[09:28] <popey> use linux-image-generic-pae
[09:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> You should be running the pae kernel
[09:29] <Flashtek> orly
[09:29] <popey> !info linux-image-generic-pae
[09:29] <popey> YA RLY!
[09:29] <Flashtek> kaushal: is it a 64bit cpu ?
[09:31] <kaushal> Flashtek: how do i find it ?
[09:32] <kaushal> is it lm in cpuinfo ?
[09:33] <Flashtek> kaushal: grep " lm " /proc/cpuinfo
[09:33] <kaushal> yes its there
[09:34] <Flashtek> so, you have a 64bit system..
[09:34] <Flashtek> with 4gb ram
[09:34] <Flashtek> and you're running 32bit ?
[09:34] <kaushal> yes
[09:35] <Flashtek> can i ask why ?
[09:36] <popey> why not?
[09:36] <popey> there's very little advantage to running 64-bit on a 4GB box
[09:36] <Flashtek> popey: perhaps because he's not using the full power available..
[09:37] <popey> he will _use_ more memory if he switches to 64-bit too
[09:37] <popey> if he had 8GB then maybe its worth it
[09:37] <popey> and maybe if he does some video encoding or other computationally heavy stuff
[09:37] <Flashtek> every little helps IME
[09:37] <popey> but the vast majority of uses for the vast majority of users, wont notice the difference
[09:37] <Flashtek> I notice the difference
[09:38] <popey> not when your computer spends ~90%+ of its time idle
[09:38] <popey> you are in the minority
[09:38] <Flashtek> but the 10% that's used is more efficiant
[09:38] <popey> prove it :)
[09:38] <Flashtek> popey: no thanks, that'd mean reinstalling a 32bit version
[09:38] <popey> ok, I'll dismiss that argument then :)
[09:39] <Flashtek> :) oke
[09:39] <Flashtek> makes a difference when doing big compile jobs too
[09:39] <popey> I did say that
[09:39] <Flashtek> aye
[09:39] <popey> 09:37:31 < popey> and maybe if he does some video encoding or other computationally heavy stuff
[09:39] <popey> I'm not disputing that there's some advantage to running 64-bit, but the advantages are small IMO
[09:39] <Flashtek> oh, I also do actualy do video encoding..
[09:39] <Flashtek> ;-)
[09:40] <popey> yeah, me too, but the difference isnt significant
[09:41] <Flashtek> 09:37 < Flashtek> every little helps IME
[09:41] <Flashtek> anyway, kaushal.. there are options for you..
[09:41] <Flashtek> pae kernel, or 64bit system
[09:41] <popey> or just ignore it :)
[09:42] <Flashtek> true
[09:42] <popey> i have a laptop with 4GB RAM which can only see 3.3 GB :(
[09:42] <Flashtek> I have a laptop with 3gb, and I can see all of it :-D
[09:42] <Flashtek> I win
[09:43] <popey> Yes, you do, congratulations, you win.
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> You wine one internets.
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> win*
[09:43] <Flashtek> woop
[09:43] <Flashtek> an internets all of my own
[09:43] <hoover> mornin folks
[09:43] <Flashtek> hi hoover
[09:44] <hoover> hello Flashtek
[09:44] <Flashtek> hoover: is your name henry ?
[09:45] <hoover> Flashtek: no, it's my father's name actually ;-)
[09:45] <hoover> German: Heinz -> English: Henry
[09:45] <Flashtek> i was wondering about the hoover name..
[09:46] <hoover> Nah, that's been my nick since the early 80s or so
[09:46] <Flashtek> furry muff
[09:47]  * screen-x sets off on a quest to configure an ldap slave
[09:48] <directhex> screen-x: syncrepl!
[09:48] <screen-x> \o/ google fodder
[09:49] <screen-x> thanks directhex
[09:50] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-Vnx58UYo is good fun
[10:00]  * BigRedS wonders if that's a joke aimed at Gnome, or if he's reading too much into this
[10:01] <JamesTait> Morning all. :)
[10:02] <dogmatic69> sup
[10:08] <bigcalm> popey: they had a lot of fun with that
[10:16] <popey> yeah
[10:18] <bigcalm> I tried 2 of the 3 joggler images last night. Both didn't get past grub due to partitions not existing
[10:19] <bigcalm> I get the feeling that my sandisk stick has extra partitions on it
[10:20] <JamesTait> Ooh, is today the website hack day?
[10:20] <Flashtek> ?
[10:20] <JamesTait> Yeah, that sounds bad, doesn't it?
[10:20] <JamesTait> No, I don't mean we'll be performing illegal activities on web site. :)
[10:20] <JamesTait> +s
[10:20] <bigcalm> That would be cracking
[10:21] <JamesTait> Indeed..
[10:21] <bigcalm> Why can't the media learn the difference?
[10:21] <JamesTait> Although a certain amount of hacking may also be involved.
[10:21] <bigcalm> The end result of hacking might be cracking
[10:21] <JamesTait> But I'm straying from the point.
[10:22] <Flashtek> indeed
[10:22] <JamesTait> I thought today (or maybe it's next Friday) was the day we all try and do what we can to get the new Ubuntu-UK web site fit for launch.
[10:22] <JamesTait> Well, all who want to anyway.
[10:23] <Flashtek> first i've heard of it..
[10:24] <popey> JamesTait: its today
[10:24] <JamesTait> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2010-December/027711.html
[10:24] <JamesTait> Actually, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2010-November/027677.html
[10:25] <popey> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/website
[10:25] <popey> has the "to-do" / "wish" list
[10:25] <Flashtek> I will help in any way I can..
[10:25] <JamesTait> Thanks popey. :)
[10:27] <JamesTait> I think I just found my project(s) for this evening.
[10:42] <gord> *shudders* the creepy ubuntu desktop background got switched to by the desktop background rotator :(
[10:42] <screen-x> which one is creepy gord?
[10:43] <gord> screen-x, http://gordallott.com/img/Smile_by_quinn.anya.jpg <-- that one. i have two monitors and that... face.. it just stares at me!
[10:43] <gord> and then sometimes i have my netbook in here then there are three of it!
[10:44] <screen-x> I'll agree that's a bit creepy..
[10:44] <screen-x> Why not remove it from the rotation?
[10:44] <screen-x> immensely shallow DoF
[10:44] <gord> gnome background rotation stuff is a pain and the file that controls it will just get overwritten when i next get an upgrade on that package anyway
[10:45] <gord> you would think that for rotating the backgrounds you would have a simple list of files right? maybe a gconf key that states the minutes for each rotation? gnome thinks you need a whole xml file with this undocumentated schema
[10:46] <czajkowski> gord: yer very special at times
[10:53]  * Flashtek has a warm kitten on his left forearm.. :)
[10:54] <nigelb> gord: I tend to think of food seeing that image
[11:01] <BigRedS> Flashtek: they don't normally stay in the same place for very long
[11:04] <davmor2> morning all
[11:04] <MooDoo> davmor2: morning
[11:04] <X3N> morning
[11:04]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski to get that out of the way
[11:04] <awilkins> Mmm. Warm kitten sandwich.
[11:06]  * czajkowski trips davmor2 up 
[11:06] <Flashtek> BigRedS: this one is..
[11:06] <Flashtek> awilkins: lol
[11:06] <Flashtek> not much meat on this one..
[11:07] <BigRedS> haha
[11:07] <screen-x> Flashtek: unfortunately the topic no longer contains kittens  :(
[11:07] <Flashtek> sure it does
[11:08] <screen-x> :D
[11:08] <Flashtek> KITTENZ !
[11:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: now I got hot coffee all down me, git!
[11:09]  * Flashtek passes davmor2 some paper towels
[11:09]  * davmor2 goes and gets another coffee
[11:09] <Flashtek> kitteh is reading IRC....
[11:10] <screen-x> lo kitteh
[11:11] <BigRedS> Ah! Coffee! That's what's missing!
[11:11]  * popey puts catnip on the keyboard
[11:11]  * popey is on coffee #3
[11:11]  * Flashtek has not had any 0xC0FFEE yet today
[11:12]  * davmor2 awaits the gibberish from popey as the cat walks all over his keyboard for the rest of the day
[11:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: brat
[11:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: pleasure
[11:12]  * MooDoo pokes czajkowski :p
[11:12] <czajkowski> tag teaming are ye
[11:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: phew was feeling left out there
[11:13]  * davmor2 tags MooDoo and prods czajkowski leaps back to the corner of the ring and tags MooDoo back in.   czajkowski No we're not tag teaming at all
[11:14]  * MooDoo stands in front of czajkowski ready to pounce with the four figure leg lock in mind....
[11:23] <screen-x> errr !ohmy ?
[11:24] <MooDoo> screen-x: don't worry myself and davmor2 are running a tag team against czajkowski
[11:40]  * AlanBell thinks MooDoo is going to get a pounding
[11:40] <AlanBell> anyhow, website stuff
[11:41] <AlanBell> anyone want more access to it to do stuff?
[11:42] <MooDoo> AlanBell: a pounding?
[11:42] <AlanBell> the tag team thing
[11:42] <MooDoo> AlanBell: ah i see, i'm past being scared of czajkowski now ;)
[11:44] <AlanBell> beta.ubuntu-uk.org/wp-login.php?action=register
[11:45] <indy> hi folks
[11:45] <MooDoo> hi indy
[11:47] <X3N> talking of websites, are we ever going to switch ubuntu-uk.org over to the new site?
[11:47] <JamesTait> AlanBell: (not sure why you're not showing on the user list) Yes please. Do I need to do anything other than register?
[11:50] <UndiFineD> AlanBell, is special JamesTait
[11:51] <UndiFineD> he is second on the userlist, probably out of your view
[11:51] <screen-x> Presumably the relevant people know about: Warning: split() expects parameter 2 to be string, array given in /srv/beta.ubuntu-uk.org/www/wp-content/plugins/osm/osm.php on line 211
[11:53] <JamesTait> Time for tea.
[11:53] <indy> guys i'm having trouble getting my Sony Laptop working with U10.10 and nvidia. Does anyone here have any suggestion on how to get the graphics to work?
[11:53] <awilkins> indy, Are you using the nvidia binary driver, or nouveau?
[11:54] <awilkins> indy, It will be using nouveau by default, you wil lhave had to approve a "restricted driver" to gt the binary.
[11:54] <indy> awilkins, the nvidia driver...had to disable nouveau cause it didn't set my screen properly
[11:54] <awilkins> So what is not working correctly?
[11:55]  * AlanBell upgrades subscribers to authors
[11:55] <indy> once i disable the nouveau driver and install the nvidia the system doesn't login. I think this all to do with the EDID file not being generated by the nvidia driver
[11:58] <screen-x> mistyped twitter.com, missing one of the middle 't's and ended up at a very NSFW site :(
[12:02] <SuperMatt> huh, arista-transcode cli tool doesn't work inf I use arista-transcode -p Desire filename.avi, but it does work if I replace filename.avi with /path/to/file/filename.avi
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> indy: nothing 'generates edid files'
[12:05] <JamesTait> indy: I feel your pain. I have a Vaio with the GT330M and had quite a bit of bother.
[12:05]  * JamesTait should keep better notes about things like this.
[12:06] <awilkins> I had trouble with EDIDs on a Viewsonic monitor because it's internal storage got wiped... I don't know what they use to store them in but it seems quite fragile, had to replace the damn thing twice just for this.
[12:07] <awilkins> I just hope the refurbed units get a better EDID store than the factory models.
[12:07] <indy> but the thing is 10.04 does work with the 256.xx driver
[12:08] <indy> i think it's a combo problem with 10.10 and 260.xx driver
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> guess why I've stopped buying nvidia :)
[12:08] <indy> i wanted 10.10 cause it looks better than 10.04
[12:09] <JamesTait> indy: Currently I'm pinned at nvidia-current 256.53-ubuntu3
[12:09] <JamesTait> Insert a '0' before the ubuntu.
[12:10] <awilkins> Can you still write your own Xorg.conf or will it just get ignored now?
[12:10] <JamesTait> indy: But I'm pretty certain I had to do more fiddling around than just installing that to get it to work.
[12:10] <awilkins> Aha, the nvidia tool writes one for you
[12:11] <indy> JamesTait, yeah you're right. i had to add 2 lines to my xorg file
[12:12] <indy> i think these are the sort of problems that's holding Linux adoption back
[12:13] <popey> there are many things holding linux adoption back
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> let's fix them one at a time :)
[12:14] <indy> popey, i know, but i'm just talking of the basic things that a user needs in order to get the PC to work
[12:14] <awilkins> It's a symptom of the overall distribution of the market - these problems no doubt occur in Windows but there's a lot more incentive and funding to test them out and fix them.
[12:14] <indy> in general i think the Linux community is doing a fantastic job trying to keep things afloat
[12:14] <BigRedS> Also, people genuinely expect Windows to have faults. They just accept them. It's really peculiar.
[12:15] <popey> indy: people shouldn't need to "get the pc to work", it should come with the OS pre-configured out of the box
[12:15] <popey> see Google Chrome for an example :)
[12:16] <awilkins> I think there is a phenomenon where the larger a piece of software is perceived, the more likely you'll put up with faults because your little problem with it seems insignificant - esp in Office and Windows
[12:16] <indy> popey, true
[12:17] <awilkins> Maybe you could have a Linux Clinic where you charge some fraction of the Windows license fee to install Linux and get it working. You'd be fine in the majority of cases. And then you'd earn your keep on machines like indy's
[12:17] <popey> Charge in bitcoins!
[12:19] <awilkins> Only when I can spend them in  Tesco
[12:19] <indy> awilkins, good idea. problem is may prove costly in the long run cause kernel upgrades can break things and that would really pi$$ people off
[12:20] <awilkins> The other thing it would provide is invaluable - a list of faults that people really care about (enough to wave cash around)
[12:21] <awilkins> I suppose commercial Linux support covers that to a degree
[12:21] <indy> i installed 10.10 on my wife's pc and everything was working fine. i did an upgrade and for some reason her mic stop working and she went mad cause she couldn't talk to her family on skype...got a right ear full that day
[12:21] <popey> thats why i rarey update my mums computer :)
[12:21] <popey> i get emailed about the updates required each day
[12:21] <popey> and choose when to do them carefully
[12:22] <indy> popey, that's exactly what i do now
[12:22] <awilkins> I too have this kind of phenomenon with my wife. She expects that because I'm a "computer guy" that I'm an expert on using Office (avoid it) or even EndNote (!)
[12:22] <indy> at least i got her onto Linux
[12:22] <awilkins> My dear old mumsy loves it.
[12:23] <awilkins> Or at least, doesn't pester me with problems
[12:23] <awilkins> She was a legal secretary before she retired so does have some familiarity with computers
[12:24] <cocoa117> anyone here use scheduleworld.com sync their PIM data? Are they/he/she shutting down for good?
[12:24] <awilkins> Wifey was on Linux but was re-infected with Windows because she's doing a research project and her IT dept don't comprehend full-disk encryption products that work on anything but Windows
[12:24] <popey> cocoa117: that host doesn't resolve
[12:25] <awilkins> Her machine now takes about 10 minutes to boot ; painful to watch it constantly thrashing the disk too.
[12:25] <cocoa117> popey, DNS issue?
[12:25] <popey> *shrug*
[12:25] <awilkins> Bogged down with very poor antivirus product and the horrible enterprisey disk encryption that we have to use at work.
[12:26] <indy> awilkins, i know what you mean. my wife had the same problem with her laptop. i put Linux on and it was booting in seconds and responding better overall
[12:26] <screen-x> directhex: do I need "overlay syncprov" on the slapd master, when using syncrepl?
[12:26] <indy> of course i had to mess about with the setting to get her webcam to work with skype
[12:27] <indy> ok guys gotta go now...
[12:28] <dutchie> mothers :(
[12:29] <awilkins> Mine :-)    ... hers    :-S
[12:29] <MooDoo> awilkins: i think you'll find it is, what's hers is hers, what's yours is hers :)
[12:29] <dutchie> left my laptop overnight doing an initial offlineimap sync, and woke up this morning at student o'clock to find computer turned off, and don't know whether the offlineimap job finished
[12:30] <dutchie> now i'm worried to run it again in case it deletes all my email server-side
[12:30] <awilkins> Isn't that what IMAP doesn't do? I thought that was POP?
[12:30] <dutchie> !info offlineimap
[12:32] <BigRedS> if you delete stuff that offlineimap has downloaded, it will delete it on the server
[12:32] <BigRedS> if offlineimap hasn't finished downloading, it should just carry on as before
[12:32] <BigRedS> exactly like any other 'imap' client
[12:35] <directhex> screen-x: i have it, so it's at worst not harmful
[12:36] <dutchie> BigRedS: oh, it "knows" when it hasn't finished? that's reassurin
[12:36] <dutchie> g
[12:48] <BigRedS> dutchie: well, it certainly should
[12:49] <screen-x> directhex: Thanks. I was getting "overlay \"syncprov\" not found" whenever I added that line. Found the problem, I was missing loadmodule syncprov.la
[13:26] <BigRedS> Oh wow. The empathy ':(' emoticon looks _really_ sad
[13:26] <BigRedS> I almost feel sorry for it
[13:34] <UndiFineD> almost :P
[13:59] <screen-x> directhex: are your slapd slaves started with -c rid=xxx?
[14:07] <directhex> no
[14:07] <directhex> there's just a rid setting in the syncrepl stanza in slapd.conf
[14:07] <directhex> openldap 26358     1  0 Mar16 ?        1-04:49:36 /usr/sbin/slapd -h ldaps:/// -g openldap -u openldap -f /etc/ldap/slapd.conf
[14:09] <screen-x> thanks again directhex :)
[14:36] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[14:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: hello
[14:37] <brobostigon> MooDoo: hello. :)
[14:41] <AlanBell> through a sequence of missdials I have discovered our business phone number is very similar to that of Mac User, and a 1 to 1 chat service with hot girls apparently
[14:41] <brobostigon> :)
[14:41] <brobostigon> lol
[14:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is also very close to Maplins support line too ;-)
[14:42] <brobostigon> cool.
[14:46] <bigcalm> A client continues to use google translate, but what's with the capitlisation? 'For the moment we don't have subcategories, but maybe WE can HAVE just one as example, call i "Test" under "Scenic Highlights"'
[14:53] <evilchristel> all the cool kids do random capitalisation of words
[14:53] <MooDoo> Do They?
[14:54] <evilchristel> absolutely
[14:54]  * czajkowski hugs evilchristel 
[14:54]  * evilchristel tickles czajkowski 
[14:57] <bigcalm> evilchristel: :))
[14:58] <bigcalm> Where have you been hiding?
[14:58] <AlanBell> where all the cool kids hide!
[14:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: just over there behind the watercooler don't tell me you couldn't see evilchristel
[14:59] <czajkowski> evilchristel: head away over the weekend to bath, back december 31st we should catch up
[15:04] <gord> i get to know amazon customer service far too well these days, i hate royal mail :(
[15:04] <jpds> gord: Likewise.
[15:04] <gord> amazon tend to refund me the royal mail charge, but i'm not that fussed about £2, i just want my stuff :(
[15:06] <bigcalm> I phoned Amazon customer services to let them know they had sent me 2 copies of the same CD. After a while of scratching their heads, they thanked me, gave me a return lable and credited my account with 5 quid :)
[15:08] <gord> yeah, amazon customer services are really good
[15:19] <czajkowski> bigcalm: nice
[15:21] <bigcalm> czajkowski: just hope the 2nd cd actually turns up at some point
[15:21] <bigcalm> Can't leave Hayley CDsless
[15:22] <bigcalm> I want it to be the 25th already so that I can give her the necklace/earring set
[15:22]  * bigcalm is terrible at keeping surprses
[15:23] <brobostigon> bigcalm: you do realise this is publiclly recorded ?
[15:23] <bigcalm> brobostigon: yep, and she doesn't "do" IRC
[15:23] <brobostigon> bigcalm: ok.
[15:23] <bigcalm> I've tried to get her on here. So have others :)
[15:24] <brobostigon> :)
[15:27] <czajkowski> bigcalm: soppy :p
[15:28] <bigcalm> czajkowski: indeedie :D
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> How cool? http://www.flickr.com/photos/40225877@N03/sets/72157625401839531/
[15:28] <Apacheuk> hi all o/, are there any firewall guru's out there?
[15:29] <bigcalm> iain@ppl:~$ date
[15:29] <bigcalm> Fri Dec 10 16:11:45 GMT 2010
[15:29] <bigcalm> Something wrong there
[15:30] <|Dreams|> having a weird problem - on some websites half i keep getting a black rectangle that seems to flash on part of the webpage? i am using latest ubuntu x64
[15:30] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: rather detailed
[15:30] <|Dreams|> disabled compiz and on basic in appearnce
[15:30] <|Dreams|> still doing it arghhhhhh
[15:30] <|Dreams|> lol
[15:34] <gord> |Dreams|, flash? i get that with flash
[15:34] <|Dreams|> its only started happening recently
[15:34] <|Dreams|> yeah facebook etc
[15:35] <|Dreams|> doing my head in
[15:35] <|Dreams|> http://imagebin.ca/view/SP39XNiG.html example
[15:35] <|Dreams|> that black oblong
[15:35] <|Dreams|> it flashes until i click to the left of it
[15:35] <|Dreams|> :S
[15:36] <bigcalm> Install the web dev tool bar and find out what that object is
[15:36] <|Dreams|> i that what happens to u gord
[15:36] <|Dreams|> it happens on different parts of the page at different times
[15:37] <andylockran> howdy all
[15:37] <|Dreams|> i thought it was either graphics or my monitor on the way out
[15:37] <|Dreams|> but disabled propitiatory still does it - must be flash
[15:38] <cocoa117> anyone know how to disable "password and encryption keys" prompt when you trying to access remote desktop? each time you have to be physically with your remote desktop and type in default password before I can access it remotely
[15:39] <|Dreams|> yeah tell it to remember the password/key permenantly
[15:39] <cocoa117> |Dreams|, where?
[15:39] <|Dreams|> it oul dof aske dyou the first time you accessed the remote
[15:40] <|Dreams|> peferences - remote desktop
[15:40] <|Dreams|> sorry about the typo my keyboard is dying too
[15:40] <|Dreams|> lol
[15:41] <|Dreams|> you can change settings there to accept connections automatically
[15:41] <cocoa117> |Dreams|, i didn't really get it
[15:42] <cocoa117> |Dreams|, so i should set on my remote desktop first?
[15:42] <|Dreams|> yeah check automativcally configure to accept conections
[15:42] <cocoa117> done that
[15:42] <|Dreams|> on the pc your trying to connect to?
[15:42] <cocoa117> i use password to login
[15:42] <cocoa117> yes
[15:43] <cocoa117> in security section, "require the user to enter this password", i put down my password
[15:43] <|Dreams|> so what you are trying to do it get the machine your using to connect to a remote pc without asking for the password?
[15:44] <cocoa117> the machine name:5000
[15:44] <|Dreams|> uncheck you must confirm
[15:44] <|Dreams|> onthe pc you are trying to connect too
[15:44] <cocoa117> yes, your mast confirm each accesss has been unchcked
[15:45] <|Dreams|> and you still physically have to be on the pc you are connecting too, to accept the connectio
[15:45] <|Dreams|> ?
[15:46] <cocoa117> yes, to type in the password for "password and encryption keys"
[15:46] <cocoa117> which is default password as my login
[15:46] <|Dreams|> strange
[15:46] <|Dreams|> sorry i cant help any further stick around maybe someone better can help
[15:46] <cocoa117> |dreams| no worries
[16:18] <Phineas> i'm back now
[16:28] <Phineas> hello all 151 people in this channel
[16:29] <MooDoo> hello
[16:30] <Phineas> how do i edit a aac flie
[16:30] <MooDoo> audio editor?
[16:31] <Phineas> MooDoo,  which one
[16:31] <MooDoo> maybe audacity will be able to do it, not sure though
[16:32] <Phineas> MooDoo,  nope it wont load the file
[16:33] <evilchristel> czajkowski: youre not back before the 31st!?
[16:33] <Phineas> audacity wont load a aac
[16:33] <MooDoo> phineas - http://www.ehow.com/how_4964854_convert-aac-mp-ubuntu.html
[16:33] <MooDoo> just search google
[16:34] <MooDoo> Phineas: so aac to mp3 then use audacity
[16:35] <czajkowski> evilchristel: nope I head to Bath on sunday early
[16:35] <czajkowski> then from there head back
[16:37] <Phineas> god IRC png is hard
[16:38] <Phineas> curse  you ffmpeg
[16:39] <Phineas> now i have 50 dud .mp3s which don't play (stream contains no data)
[16:40] <MooDoo> Phineas: just search google, i'm sure someone has done it before
[16:46] <andylockran> howdy9
[16:46] <MooDoo> hullo
[16:48] <andylockran> how goes things?
[16:48] <andylockran> fancy hearing peoples comments on: http://zrmt.com/article/view/coalition #politics #offtopic
[16:53] <bigcalm> Is it just on Windows, or does the gimp take forever to start up on linux as well?
[16:55] <MooDoo> bigcalm: probably just windows
[16:55] <MooDoo> seems fine on my laptop
[16:55] <bigcalm> Silly Windows
[16:58] <Phineas> bigcalm,  gimp takes some time on my laptop
[16:58] <Phineas> i'm confused Kindle For Pc wont open
[16:59] <Phineas> oh wait i get it Vurtual box
[17:06] <Phineas> bigcalm,  its  not just windows being silly gimp is slow ish on my matchine as well
[17:06]  * AlanBell has a hack at the website
[17:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andy Loughran] Coalition - http://zrmt.com/article/view/coalition
[17:09] <AlanBell> andylockran: makes a lot of sense to me
[17:10] <andylockran> AlanBell: cheers for the feedback
[17:30]  * Phineas swats SWAT
[17:31]  * brobostigon has a local real ale, yummy, :)
[17:32] <brobostigon> maybe pub, it is friday night afterall.
[17:33] <Phineas> brobostigon,  and the weekend woot woot
[17:34] <brobostigon> Phineas: a hopefully quiet, relaxing weekend,
[17:34] <Phineas> brobostigon,  hopefully yeah
[17:34] <brobostigon> Phineas: :)
[17:35]  * SWAT pinches Phineas 
[17:37] <brobostigon> hmm, there is a thread on the german ubuntu mailing list, about sexy linux girls, hmmm.
[17:37] <bigcalm> A myth and no mistake
[17:39] <brobostigon> bigcalm: there are loads of girls and women who use linux.
[17:39] <bigcalm> :P
[17:40] <brobostigon> bigcalm: czajkowski and myrtti to start with,
[17:41] <dutchie> brobostigon: sounds like the sort of thread that would go off-CoC very very very quickly
[17:42] <brobostigon> dutchie: i am subscribed to the german ubuntu list, i havent fully read it yet, so dont know yet, if it has or not.
[17:42] <jacobw> How can I verify the wireless channel in use in Ubuntu?
[17:42] <jacobw> Can you read German brobostigon ?
[17:42] <brobostigon> jacobw: yes, and speak, as well.
[17:44] <brobostigon> jacobw: iwconfig i think.
[17:44] <brobostigon> jacobw: verify ?
[17:45] <jacobw> I want to see what channel the wireless is using
[17:45] <brobostigon> jacobw: iwconfig then.
[17:47] <brobostigon> however, i am not sure it gives that much detail, iwconfig's scan, might give it. and show the channel for the AP.
[17:49] <brobostigon> iwlist i mean,
[17:52] <jacobw> The problem I'm having is that a laptop with an A/G/N wireless card loses signal about 4 metres from the AP
[17:52] <jacobw> I'm trying to determine whether it is a signal mismatch error, I don't think it is now
[17:53] <X3N> I've known having N enabled to cause problems
[17:53] <brobostigon> jacobw: if it is a linux based router, have you looked at the wifi AP deamon logs onthere, to see if the issue is onthat end,
[17:54] <jacobw> The AP transmits on channel 1, I've changed the laptop to channel 11, worked down the channels and seen the signal strength improve
[17:54] <brobostigon> jacobw: ok, thats good.
[17:54] <jacobw> X3N, I don't know how to check whether N is enabled in Ubuntu though
[17:55] <brobostigon> jacobw: iwconfig as i mentioned earlier will give you that.
[18:01] <dutchie> does clonezilla support ext4 nowadays?
[18:01] <dutchie> last time i tried, it was just dd'ing it
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> http://www.fsarchiver.org/Main_Page
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: ^
[18:03] <jacobw> Disabling N on the router hasn't helped my situation
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> try disabling N in the driver :)
[18:03] <jacobw> how do I do that MartijnVdS ?
[18:04]  * jacobw has a bad feeling it will involve recompilation of kernels
[18:04] <dutchie> cheers MartijnVdS
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: most likely a module option
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> or an "iw" command
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> (iw help)
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> *off to the gym*
[18:10] <jacobw> according to `iwconfig` the card isn't using N, "IEEE 802.11abg"
[18:10] <jacobw> hmm :(
[18:35] <czajkowski> bigcalm aup
[18:36] <bigcalm> czajkowski: yo yo
[18:37] <czajkowski> saq mt name highlighted
[18:37] <bigcalm> ?
[18:38] <czajkowski> saw my
[18:38] <bigcalm> Ah
[18:38] <bigcalm> Did I address you?
[18:40] <czajkowski> someone else saud talk to me or myrtti
[18:40] <siriusly> test from Android phone
[18:41]  * bigcalm hugs czajkowski :)
[18:41] <czajkowski> bbiab
[18:41] <bigcalm> czajkowski: scroll up a little, you'll see that somebody didn't see I was being silly
[18:42]  * siriusly is impressed :)
[18:45] <daubers> Ahhhh
[18:45] <daubers> finally get to sit down
[18:52] <coffeebean8888> hi
[18:52] <coffeebean8888> who is from uk then?
[18:52] <dutchie> probably most people in here
[18:52] <coffeebean8888> cool
[18:52] <coffeebean8888> ok
[18:52] <coffeebean8888> me too
[18:53] <czajkowski> bigcalm o- phone
[18:55] <coffeebean8888> ubuntu software sites?
[18:55] <coffeebean8888> who has some?
[18:59] <X3N> All the software for ubuntu is usually in the repositories
[18:59] <X3N> via the add/remove software, much like an app store, but everything is free ;)
[19:00] <Nafallo> Ubuntu Software Center
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: iwconfig doesn't do N, "iw" does
[20:02] <rymate1234> hi!
[20:02] <rymate1234> i need help!
[21:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Apache Software Foundation leaves JCP - Red Hat in alliance with proprietary corporations - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/apache-software-foundation-leaves-jcp-red-hat-alliance-proprietary-corporations
[21:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] LibreOffice: Document Foundation Steering Committee Public Phone Conference 11-Dec-2010 - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/libreoffice-document-foundation-steering-committee-public-phone-conference-11-dec-2010
[21:19] <AlanBell> !info simon
[21:21] <Azelphur> AlanBell: my brother doesn't exist?
[21:21] <Azelphur> WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY BROTHER :(
[21:21] <AlanBell> been eaten by a narwhal
[21:21] <Azelphur> noooooooooooooo :(
[21:21] <Nafallo> don't ask questions you don't want the answers to
[21:22] <daubers> !Alan
[21:22] <daubers> :(
[21:22] <daubers> The Alans will consume you all!!
[21:24] <daubers> AlanBell: How goes website hackingness?
[21:26] <AlanBell> I was going to chat with the person who wrote the lugmap plugin later
[21:26] <AlanBell> I got it kind of working
[21:26] <daubers> Oh?
[21:27] <daubers> Ah, I see :)
[21:29] <daubers> Ooooooh, Areca updated their API, it's now got comments!
[21:37] <daubers> while not brain.Active:
[21:37] <daubers>     daubers.sleep()
[21:48] <coffeebean8888> usb-imagewriter i cant install it on ubuntu why?
[21:48] <coffeebean8888> there no apt package?
[21:48] <coffeebean8888> https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+archive/ppa/+packages
[21:49] <coffeebean8888> ??????
[21:49] <coffeebean8888> anyone
[21:49] <coffeebean8888> any ideas
[21:49] <coffeebean8888> ????
[21:54] <DJones> Which version of Ubuntu are you using
[21:59] <Azelphur> !punctuation | coffeebean8888
[22:04] <coffeebean8888> shut up lubotu3 u monkey gimp
[22:04] <coffeebean8888> ha ha ha ha
[22:04] <coffeebean8888> how about that punctuation
[22:04] <coffeebean8888> ????????????
[22:04] <Azelphur> coffeebean8888: you know your arguing with a bot right? :p
[22:06] <coffeebean8888> how do u install usb image writer?
[22:06] <Azelphur> coffeebean8888: is it not in the software center?
[22:07] <DJones> coffeebean8888: How about answering the question I asked you?
[22:07] <AlanBell> !info unetbootin
[22:07] <Azelphur> I use unetbootin too
[22:08] <MooDoo>  hello all
[22:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Viewsonic gtab update - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/131223.html
[22:15]  * DJones debates whether to install swype on his phone
[22:18] <coffeebean8888> i have usb image writer thanks
[22:24] <JamesTait> Hello all you wonderful people. :)
[22:26] <DJones> Nice, Swype is better in practise than I expected
[22:31] <JamesTait> I was hoping to find someone who could give me the necessary information/access to start hacking on the map or identi.ca integration. I see there's been some discussion about it.
[22:31] <AlanBell> JamesTait: stas in #ubuntu-website wrote the map plugin
[22:31] <AlanBell> he is writing a new version
[22:32] <JamesTait> AlanBell I was just about to add that there appear to be two blue pins on the map now.
[22:32] <AlanBell> 22:19 < stas> I will rewrite it using post types
[22:32] <AlanBell> 22:19 < stas> great
[22:32] <AlanBell> 22:20 < stas> also, I will probably add some export/import functionality, and better management
[22:36] <JamesTait> brb
[22:37] <Flashtek> evenin' all
[22:37] <JamesTait> 'ello 'ello 'ello. :)
[22:40] <Flashtek> my boss made a cock up !
[23:06] <Flashtek> I made one too.. darn..