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netritioushey chris458500:07
netritiouswrst: mall food can be ok00:07
wrstwhay mall im in cookeville :)00:08
wrst*what00:09
wrstbuy its cracker barrel netritious00:09
wrst*but00:09
netritiousCracker Barrel isn't so bad00:20
* cyberanger gags a little00:23
wrstwhy cyberanger?00:41
cyberangercracker barrel, of course00:42
* cyberanger can think of local places at least as nice, usually nicer00:42
wrstme too00:43
netritiousafk00:58
wrstok cyberanger is there a way to have screen / irssi to start at boot?01:15
wrstnetritious: i actually like cracker barrel just wasn't my choice tonight but when the wife says go... i go01:15
cyberangerwrst: yes, in a bootscript, one for your user, which is a trick, screen -d irssi01:17
wrstok cyberanger  i think that is next on my list :) i will do some googling01:20
wrstbrb... hopefully01:22
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wrstok cyberanger i like the log its not like quassel but in ways its better01:31
cyberangerglad to hear01:31
wrstso that's about an even trade just somethings better than others, i was just setting auto joins and identifies up01:32
cyberangerhey pace_t_zulu01:47
pace_t_zuluwhat's up cyberanger01:47
wrsthey pace_t_zulu01:47
pace_t_zuluhey wrst01:48
wrstpace_t_zulu: watching the titans?01:48
pace_t_zuluwrst: yea... it'd be nice if our defense could be a little more consistent on 3rd down01:49
wrsti was listening to 3 hour lunch today and blaine bishop said they should just blow it up fire fisher send vy packing and trade CJ for draft picks01:50
pace_t_zului don't think getting rid of fisher is a good idea01:51
pace_t_zuluvy is a problem01:51
pace_t_zuluhe is so talented... but he has a bad attitude01:52
wrstyeah i wish he was gone yesterday01:52
cyberangernot much pace_t_zulu01:52
wrstbut i don't know what you do for a QB whatever you do probably going to be rebuilding gotta have a QB to win it all01:53
pace_t_zuluwe need to get a new qb in the offsease01:53
pace_t_zuluoffseason01:53
pace_t_zuluvy has definitely not earned the money we've paid him01:53
wrstno or the respect of any of the fans either i don't think he's  a big crybaby01:53
wrstand i wish he had manned up a little bit because if he had the mental, he sure has the other01:54
wrstjust saw the overhead shot not exactly a full house there01:56
pace_t_zuluthe way this team is playing - you can't really blame someone for not wanting to go in this weather02:13
wrstno not at all pace_t_zulu02:19
pace_t_zuluit is so difficult to get a first down ... and also difficult to stop our opponent on 3rd down02:20
pace_t_zulucan't win football games under those circumstances02:20
wrstno very frustrating02:23
wrstpace_t_zulu sorry for being so chatty I'm trying to get used to this phone since I finally got a phone from this century02:25
pace_t_zulusorry for being chatty?02:25
wrstha ha feels like I havebeenblabbing forever...02:26
wrstdarn you tiny space bar !02:26
JuzzyRecently you made a post to Apple Discussions that discussed inappropriate activities. We have removed your post titled "Re: Disable Multitasking?", which is included for your reference below.02:29
Juzzyheh, they don't like answers that include jailbreaking :/02:29
wrstwell with a 14 point defecit I cam stop watching itwill take 5 gaames for the totans to score 1402:29
wrstvery bad of you Juzzy02:30
pace_t_zuluwe look so bad02:41
wrstawful02:46
pace_t_zuluat least it won't be a shutout02:56
Juzzyhere's a nice annual excel template if anyone gives a rat: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/templates/CL102207099.aspx#ai:TC102148009|04:08
JuzzyI know I just cussed in here :o04:08
electricusAnnouncement ((LPI Exams Retail price for all tests (except 301): US $99 through Dec 31st))04:15
cyberangerJuzzy: really, the only forbidden words I see are excel and Microsoft (without citing a reason to hate it)04:18
cyberangerand they aren't cuss words last I checked04:19
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Juzzy:p04:29
JuzzyI wish googledocs could import xls into it's online spreadsheets04:30
netritiousJuzzy: try exporting to csv from excel, unless you have some calculations you need imported to it should work04:33
netritiousback :)04:33
netritiousplayed drums with my bro's band for the first time in a looooong time...was fun04:34
Juzzyyea it's loaded with formulas04:35
JuzzyI could copy/paste each one I guess04:35
techMilesor you could have it show the formulae and copy and paste those.04:35
techMilesthough iirc not all of them are 100% the same between google docs and excel04:36
techMileshmm. newp. formulas break04:39
netritiouswell that sucks04:41
netritiousall this incompatibility...what's the point04:41
netritious"My proprietary system/software is better than your proprietary system/software" just doesn't compute.04:43
techMiles hrm04:45
techMilesacksuwally04:45
techMilesuploading it with .xls works fine04:45
techMilesJuzzy: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AuyZpjk02ASndEdPeDhIeC1DWHRnQUJpZGh4YjNjZHc&hl=en&authkey=CKy0pvcC04:45
Juzzysure, as an xls04:46
Juzzybut not as a google live document04:46
techMilesand anyone else, ofc. :)04:46
Juzzythat you can change on their website04:46
techMilesWhat are you wanting to do?04:46
Juzzyif you upload a .xls, you simply store it on their server04:47
techMilesI am editing it, too.04:47
Juzzyyou still need excel/openoffice/etc to open/edit it04:47
techMilesI told it to convert it to google docs.04:47
Juzzyah04:47
Juzzywhere'd you tell it that?04:47
techMilesthe upload screen.04:47
techMilesthere's a tick mark04:47
techMiles'convert to google docs format' or some such04:48
Juzzyah i found "make a google docs copy"04:48
Juzzythanks, nice find04:50
techMiles:) np04:51
netritioustada..good job techMiles05:27
wrstgood morning TN!13:27
Worldspice_Willpeace!15:05
Worldspice_Willinstalling win2k3 for a customer this morning, yuck, i'll be rebooting all day.15:06
cyberangerhey wrst15:10
cyberangerWorldspice_Will: uh, enjoy?15:10
wrsthey cyberanger how's it going?15:11
cyberangerbetter than Worldspice_Will, I'll be in linux all day15:13
wrsthttp://www.labnol.org/internet/web-browser-celebrities/18285/15:14
wrstyeah that sounds no fun Worldspice_Will15:14
Dan9186Worldspice_Will: you work at worldspice here in memphis?15:29
Worldspice_Willsorry i got busy, yes i've just started at Worldspice in Mphs15:51
Worldspice_Willi'm now  the jr. linux engineer here.15:52
Dan9186ah interesting, so you know Ryan then16:22
AE-Guesthey guys it is xpistos, quick question having a brain fart. Chown recursive is chown -R correct?16:28
AE-GuestOh, and hi16:28
AE-GuestOh I see how we are rolling now16:34
AE-Guestwrst help a brother out16:34
Worldspice_Willchown -R is correct16:39
Worldspice_Willchown -R william:william /home/william16:39
netritiousgood afternoon locotn18:43
techMileshey netritious18:44
netritioushowdy techMiles18:44
techMileswassap?18:44
netritiousoh not much...taking it easy today18:44
techMilesnice18:45
techMilesI'd like to, and kinda get to! :)18:45
netritiousall the repair jobs are finally done18:45
techMilesbut finals are next week18:45
netritiousI would say good luck with those, but you're studying so won't need luck :)18:45
techMilesI hope so!18:46
techMilesalso have homework and final projs to finish up18:46
netritiouswhat's your major?18:46
techMilesCIT18:46
netritiousnice18:47
techMilesNetworking and Cyber Sec18:47
techMilesit's just an AAS18:47
netritiousundergrad?18:47
netritiousah18:47
techMilesI'd love a BS. buttttttttt!18:47
cyberangertechMiles: CIS, same degree really, prepare and you'll do well18:47
techMilesYeah, thanks. :)18:47
techMilesmost of my stuff isn't difficult, just slightly tedious/time consuming18:49
techMileslike powerpoint homework18:49
techMiles-_-18:49
techMilesandl ess tedious but probably more time-consuming is my paper for MS server18:49
techMilesonly 2 pages, though18:50
wrsthey netritious , techMiles18:52
techMileshey wrst.18:52
wrsthow are you doing techMiles ?18:52
netritioushey wrst, cyberanger18:52
techMilesdoing alright. a little  hungry but there's nto too much left to eat here. lol18:52
wrstjust had grilled cheese :)18:52
wrstnetritious: just bought accessories for  a phone i never do that!18:53
cyberangerhey netritious18:54
* netritious uses his best Arnold impersonation: gurly man buying accessories18:54
netritious:D18:54
wrstha ha netritious i have never loved a phone until now18:55
wrstnow i wish i had gotten a more powerful phone, but i thought its just a phone...18:55
netritiouswhich phone wrst? I think you told me already but forgetting18:55
wrstandroid... lg vortex sorta beginners smartphone18:55
wrstor so i'm told my goodness i can administer my server over the thing!18:55
netritiousyep :D18:56
wrstactually started using screen and irrsi for irc to really geek it up!18:56
netritiousnice wrst19:00
netritiouswho's your carrier19:00
netritiousSo thinking about a Krimas meetup somewhere in Memphis....anyone game?19:04
wrstverizon netritious19:07
netritiousnice wrst19:08
wrstyeah on it now really like what little I have seen from android19:10
netritiousandroid 2.1 or 2.2 wrst?19:12
wrst2.219:12
netritiouswrst I finally got my 2.1 upgrade that AT&T+Moto promised...probably won't see 2.2 until I upgrade my phone19:13
netritious*upgrade=get a new phone19:14
wrstwhy do they lag so much netritous?19:14
netritiousI'm not sure wrt :-/ maybe trying to be cautious as not to generate to many support calls is my best guess19:17
netritious*wrst^^19:18
Dan9186netritious: so you're coming tomorrow?19:19
Dan9186and i'm game for a meetup19:19
netritiousYeah I think so19:19
Svpernova09I'm up for a meetup as well19:20
netritiousnot trying to sound non-committal just can't recall if there is anything on the fam schedule...if there is I don't think it involves me :-/19:20
netritiouscool19:20
netritiousI'll post to the mailing list19:20
netritiousYou guys wanna meetup somewhere besides Memphis Pizza Café? I ask because I rarely get up to Memphis and wouldn't mind going somewhere new19:25
Dan9186i'm game for just about anywhere19:26
Svpernova09I'm flexible19:26
netritioussuggestions?19:26
Dan9186always Huey's19:28
Dan9186then there's a handful of places to get beer19:28
Dan9186want quiet or noisy?19:28
netritiousactually I like Huey's but a little burned out on it...we have one in Southaven19:30
netritiousDan9186: that's a good question...I'm loud so it makes no diff to me :D19:31
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techMilesquestion.19:32
netritiousshoot19:32
techMileswhen starting something in python. it's be python file.py   yes?19:32
techMilessomeone suggested python -c file.py    what is the -c flag?19:32
netritious<-- not a python guy19:33
netritiousbut there are a few in here19:33
wrstbtw netritious your facebook status thos morning saddened me19:35
netritiousIt saddened me more :-/19:35
netritiousI made a lot of converts with Hardy, but Lucid has been a tough sell19:35
netritiousnow, I do not mean that for server19:36
netritiousI still think ubuntu server is awesome19:36
netritiousUbuntu Server > Windows Server19:36
netritiousit doesn't need to be said really...anyone that has Administered a Windows Server and has used Ubuntu Server then they know ;)19:37
wrstI have installed on lots of hardware and had no boot issues at all but that is very frustrating19:37
netritiousand I did try everything...checked ISO for defects, ran additional diag on the hardware, etc...all came up the same way with several CDs and several machines19:38
netritioustwo laptops and one desktop, all diff make/models took Win7 ez-pz, Lucid not so much19:39
netritiousI even had to add an extra step to my procedures...backup the win7 install before attempting to installing Lucid19:40
netritious*install19:40
netritiousI mean, I'm not upset about it but it's really disappointing that three clients will never be exposed to Ubuntu because of it19:41
netritiousbesides hearing me talk about how great it is19:41
techMilescrap19:42
techMilesI wanna boot up my server now19:42
netritiouswrst: it's not like it can't be fixed from the grub rescue prompt, but what happens when a client upgrades the kernel, which in turn updates grub, and brings the PC back? I'm installing it for free so already upside down on the work...can't have more time lost on it19:44
netritiousI've experienced these problems since Ubuntu moved to grub2, just never really complained about it19:45
netritioustechMiles: what server19:47
techMilesnetritious: my server. it's just an old desktop I installed ubuntu server on19:47
netritiousis there a problem with it?19:47
techMilesneedz moar jiggawatts!19:48
netritioushehe19:48
techMilesother than that, newp.19:48
techMilesI need to know more about ubuntu server, but that's my problem, no its19:48
techMilesrunning upgrades now19:48
netritiousif you want to run a LAMP stack it's too ez...19:48
wrstgrub 2 sucks netritious I agree 100% dont blame you at all19:49
netritioustechMiles: sudo tasksel install lamp-server19:49
techMilesI already have all those. :)19:49
netritious:D19:49
netritiouswrst: it does19:49
techMilesthink I also have CUPS19:49
techMilesand SAMBA19:49
netritiouscool techMiles...have you installed webmin yet?19:50
techMilesno, I tried at one point and idr what went wrong19:50
netritiouswrst: I used to downgrade but stopped bothering...grub1 will eventually be obsolete for ubuntu19:51
techMilesanybody have an IRC bot recommendation?19:51
netritioustechMiles: what is your server specs?19:51
techMilesuhh19:51
techMilesold as crap? came with the original XP.19:51
techMilesuhh. Pentium IV? 512MB of ram19:52
netritiouspentium 4?19:52
netritiousah19:52
netritiousshould be able to handle webmin...let me know if you want to give it a shot again19:52
techMilesrefresh my memory as to what it does?19:52
netritiouswebmin provides a web interface to your server's services and configuration19:53
techMilesahh that's what I thought.19:53
techMilesI'd like an actual VPS by a prof. host.19:54
netritiousit's written in perl, which compared to native C/C++ or even python for that matter is kinda sluggish, but not to bad...should be fine on a P419:54
techMileshowever, I dont' have the money for that.19:54
techMileswell, I'd have the money for it once. :)19:54
netritioushehe19:54
techMilesthis works fine for me19:54
techMileshas run any bot i've needed it to.. multiples, actually19:55
techMilesand znc19:55
netritioustechMiles: http://www.eggheads.org/19:56
techMilesnetritious: I've tried eggdrop--- for some reason, it never worked for me19:56
techMileswould boot up, start to connect, and yet the server-side would never see it. server-side of IRC, that is.19:56
techMilesit just got lost in the tubes i guess19:56
netritiousk, I have only played a little with IRC bots...not much at all19:56
techMiles_Serveryay IRSSI19:57
netritious:)19:57
* Svpernova09 humps irssi's leg20:01
netritiousis there a such thing as a version of Linux with a rolling release?20:03
netritiousArch?20:03
cyberangernetritious: a few, you named one20:03
netritiousugh brb20:03
netritiousb20:13
netritiouscyberanger: any that are debian based?20:13
cyberangerin a more strict sense of the defination, not really, but testing and unstable fit the bill20:16
cyberangeras does crunchbang (uses testing) and others20:16
elijah-mbpi run unstable on a lot of things… it's fine most of the time.  maybe not for an end user, but for a developer/SA/operations type who has to actually understand a lot of the system… it's not much of a problem.21:15
netritiouselijah-mbp: do I recall correctly that Ubuntu is based on Debian unstable?22:18
wrstnetritious Arch is a great rolling distro22:19
netritiousArch is appealing...haven't had any experience with it yet though22:20
netritiousand Arch is pretty much the defacto authority on LXC22:21
wrstit is good22:45
cyberangernetritious: the packages maybe are imported from sid, or testing22:46
cyberangerbut at some point it branches off, not entirely sure where22:47
wrstnetritious I have done a few arch installs only thing great for tinkerers but not so much for the end user loke ubuntu22:48
cyberangerwrst: you mean bloke?22:49
wrstuhh *like22:49
cyberangerstill using the phone I take it ;)22:50
* cyberanger guesses he knows more brits and aussies than most tennessans, cyberanger completely misread that typo ;-)22:52
cyberangernetritious: what is it your looking for?23:03
wrstyes on thephone at a deal with my wife tonight cyberanger23:11
netritiouscyberanger: not anything in particular23:12
netritiousjust curious23:12
netritiousanywho, afk...got to get dinner going23:13
cyberangernetritious: cooking or eating23:19
cyberangerenjoy, just finished mine23:19
cyberangerwrst: could you clarify (sounds a little bad, just saying it's a "deal")23:20
wrstcyberanger fundraising coat and tie tupe of thing its ok23:22
wrstgood music and food I hear23:22
cyberangerah, lol, I've been listening to some good music here (I doubt they'll be playing it there though)23:24
cyberangerhowever the food ought to be better (the day one compares pizza to fish tacos is the day one goes on a diet just to get the taste out)23:26
wrstha ha23:26
wrstwell I may be off everything syarts at six23:27
cyberangera half hour to get there, and get in and all23:30
cyberangerenjoy ;-)23:30
wrstalready here she has a small part had to behere early23:34
cyberangerah well, in that case ...23:35
cyberangerenjoy ;-)23:35
techMileswow23:37
techMilesI was just talking to someone who is using mIRC in Ubuntu23:37
cyberangertechMiles: why23:38
cyberangerI mean, why use mIRC in ubuntu23:39
techMilesapparently, mIRC is configured entirely how he wants it23:39
techMilesso he just moves configs23:39
techMilesmoves/shares23:39
* cyberanger gags a little at that idea, oh well23:39
techMilesyeah23:40
techMilesI use XChat23:40
techMileson bof23:40
techMileswhat does the apt-get upgrade -y flag do again? :/23:41
cyberangerthe -y = yes23:41
cyberangerassume yes when asked23:41
techMilesah so it doesn't require that input23:41
cyberangeryeah, I wouldn't however, I just use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"23:42
techMilesI am remembering that now a little bit.23:42
techMilesI don't either.23:42
techMilessaw it in an example once and it popped through as I am running my server again23:42
cyberangera little more error checking (and without the -y, a little less assuming) makes it a little more safer an upgrade23:43
techMilesyeah23:43
techMilesyou wouldn't happen to know what the -c flag in python -c file.py does, would you?23:43
* cyberanger hands that off to one of a few more seasoned python developers23:44
cyberangerman python:23:45
cyberanger  -c command23:45
cyberanger              Specify the command to execute (see next section).   This  terminates  the  option23:45
cyberanger              list (following options are passed as arguments to the command).23:45
techMilesah.23:45
techMilesso, unnecessary if you're, say, starting a bot with python supybot.py23:45
* cyberanger nods cluelessly, but does believe that to be true23:47
techMilesgood news: no flooding/botnets today23:47
techMileson another network, that is.23:47
* techMiles knocks on wood23:47
* cyberanger points out a 2600 Press Release may have helped23:51
techMilesI need to start learning more about this stuff....23:52
techMilesyou up for writing me a blog post or page of references to start erading? :P23:52
techMilesmy main issue is: idk where to start23:52
techMilesI really wanna get more into security, so far as local computers, network, etc.. all of it, pretty much23:53
techMilesmaybe not, like,  the kind they need for storing SSN's and credit cards. LOL23:53
cyberangerhehe, I understand, as much as I hate this advice, it's how things got rolling for me23:54
* cyberanger points to his local bookstore, lug, manpages, google and too much freetime23:55
techMileslug?23:55
techMileswhat about the 2600 reference you made? lol23:55
cyberangerLinux User Group23:55
techMilesAhh23:55
cyberangerhowever, to simplify things, might I suggest http://www.2600.com and http://www.backtrack-linux.org23:56
techMileshmm what about uh crap what is that group23:57
cyberangerand a bunch of freetime and manpages (google might also help)23:57
techMilesirc-unity ?23:57
cyberangerhttp://www.hackthissite.org/ might also be a good one too23:58
techMilesone main thing: I don't care to get myself in trouble or anybody else while I'm using their internet to research/learn this stuff.23:59
techMilesI'm sure they're watched, and I doon't really have anything to hide23:59

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