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| shlomi | hi | 01:04 |
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| shlomi | can someone help me configure my netbook | 01:04 |
| shlomi | it seems that the drivers have screwed up | 01:04 |
| shlomi | in pm :) | 01:04 |
| shlomi | please please | 01:04 |
| RAOF | Generally the plan would be to debug in the public channel, so more people can help. | 01:06 |
| shlomi | what public channel ? | 01:07 |
| shlomi | ubuntu-x referred to here , no ? | 01:08 |
| shlomi | anyways ill just post the case | 01:08 |
| RAOF | Yes, in this channel. | 01:08 |
| shlomi | hope someone can throw me a bone | 01:08 |
| shlomi | first, ive installed ubuntu 9.10 and everything works like a charm | 01:09 |
| shlomi | i needed to upgrade for reasons that irrelevant reasons | 01:09 |
| RAOF | Ok. | 01:09 |
| shlomi | once i upgraded to 10.4 the problems started | 01:09 |
| shlomi | every couple of minutes the screen corrupts | 01:10 |
| shlomi | wierd lines | 01:10 |
| shlomi | pictures not clear | 01:10 |
| shlomi | font scrambled | 01:10 |
| shlomi | yada yada | 01:10 |
| shlomi | ive added launchpad to my repository | 01:10 |
| shlomi | tried installing radeonhd | 01:11 |
| shlomi | oh sorry | 01:11 |
| shlomi | btw | 01:11 |
| RAOF | So, what graphics chip do you have, and what drivers are you using (if there is an option) | 01:11 |
| shlomi | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] | 01:11 |
| shlomi | that i would call is an excellent question :) | 01:11 |
| shlomi | now, how to i know what drivers are being loaded | 01:12 |
| shlomi | i read the xorg.log.0 | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.782] (II) LoadModule: "radeon" | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.783] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.783] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation" | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.783] compiled for 1.9.0, module version = 6.13.2 | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.783] Module class: X.Org Video Driver | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.783] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 8.0 | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.783] (II) LoadModule: "vesa" | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.784] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so | 01:12 |
| shlomi | [ 15.784] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation" | 01:13 |
| shlomi | [ 15.784] compiled for 1.8.99.905, module version = 2.3.0 | 01:13 |
| shlomi | [ 15.784] Module class: X.Org Video Driver | 01:13 |
| shlomi | [ 15.784] ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 8.0 | 01:13 |
| shlomi | sorry | 01:13 |
| RAOF | shlomi: You want to use a pastebin for that. | 01:13 |
| shlomi | hmm | 01:13 |
| shlomi | genious u are :) | 01:13 |
| shlomi | sec | 01:13 |
| shlomi | ive never used it before | 01:13 |
| RAOF | In fact, could you pastebin your entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg? | 01:14 |
| shlomi | http://pastebin.com/sW5A7HRH | 01:14 |
| shlomi | sec ill add dmesg | 01:14 |
| shlomi | heres the dmesg | 01:17 |
| shlomi | http://pastebin.com/5KwsAy3K | 01:17 |
| shlomi | i think line 677 in the dmesg is the beginning of the drm init | 01:18 |
| RAOF | Yeah. Those logs seem to be pretty inoffensive. Could you describe the problem a bit more? | 01:19 |
| shlomi | $ glxinfo | grep vendor | 01:19 |
| shlomi | server glx vendor string: SGI | 01:19 |
| shlomi | client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI | 01:19 |
| shlomi | OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project | 01:19 |
| shlomi | it's actually really hard | 01:20 |
| shlomi | im in fear it will screw up | 01:20 |
| shlomi | first, i cant connect my second monitor | 01:21 |
| shlomi | by far it screws up, big time | 01:21 |
| shlomi | hang on, what driver is it loading ? | 01:21 |
| RAOF | It's loading the radeon driver; that's correct. | 01:21 |
| shlomi | how does it know to load that one | 01:23 |
| shlomi | where is the settings | 01:23 |
| shlomi | *are | 01:23 |
| shlomi | let's say i wanna load the radeonhd | 01:23 |
| shlomi | maybe that will solve the whole issue | 01:23 |
| RAOF | Unlikely; that driver's been dead for a year and doesn't do 3D. | 01:25 |
| RAOF | It loads radeon because that's the default for the PCIID of your GPU. | 01:26 |
| RAOF | You could specify a different driver in xorg.conf if you wanted. | 01:26 |
| shlomi | would u recommend that | 01:27 |
| shlomi | so that driver i have now is the latest | 01:27 |
| shlomi | ? | 01:27 |
| RAOF | Yes. | 01:27 |
| RAOF | You've got the driver that should work, and you're unlikely to find a better driver. | 01:27 |
| shlomi | btw, i tried turning on the visual effects | 01:27 |
| shlomi | how can i upload a pic | 01:27 |
| shlomi | (to where ?) | 01:27 |
| RAOF | imageshack? | 01:27 |
| shlomi | thanks | 01:28 |
| shlomi | sec | 01:28 |
| shlomi | http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6489/screenshotdkp.png | 01:29 |
| shlomi | once i turned the visual effects off the horror stopped :) | 01:29 |
| shlomi | so what r we looking at ? | 01:29 |
| shlomi | how do we fix this ? | 01:30 |
| RAOF | Wow, that's really messed up :) | 01:30 |
| shlomi | thanks, i take great pride in my creations | 01:30 |
| shlomi | what about mesa | 01:30 |
| shlomi | or lets put it this way | 01:30 |
| shlomi | what is the difference between 9.10 and 10.4 | 01:31 |
| shlomi | (although im now with 10.10) | 01:31 |
| RAOF | If you get that *without* having desktop effects enabled, it's not to do with mesa. | 01:31 |
| RAOF | If that only occurs when desktop effects are enabled, it may well be mesa. | 01:31 |
| shlomi | when desktop effects are off i still get it | 01:33 |
| shlomi | it just fixes itself alot quicker | 01:33 |
| shlomi | u know, ive got to play around with it abit | 01:33 |
| shlomi | click here, click there | 01:33 |
| shlomi | and it kinda comes back | 01:33 |
| RAOF | I wonder if it has to do with power management. | 01:34 |
| shlomi | interesting | 01:34 |
| shlomi | how by ? | 01:34 |
| shlomi | btw, ive posted here | 01:35 |
| shlomi | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1614520 | 01:35 |
| shlomi | why would Temüjin say: If you're running the r300g driver from xorg-edgers PPA, report the bug to them. | 01:35 |
| shlomi | what's that got to do | 01:35 |
| shlomi | ? | 01:35 |
| shlomi | RAOF ? | 01:38 |
| RAOF | That's saying that if you're using the packages from xorg-edgers (which are snapshots of upstream development) then filing a bug upstream is a good idea. | 01:39 |
| shlomi | but im not right ? | 01:39 |
| shlomi | even though ive added the repositories and updated the packages | 01:40 |
| RAOF | You are using those packages. | 01:40 |
| Sarvatt | hmm | 01:40 |
| shlomi | how do u know ? | 01:40 |
| shlomi | so frustrating | 01:40 |
| Sarvatt | shlomi: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.37-8-generic | 01:40 |
| RAOF | Because you've got xserver-xorg-video-ati version 6.13.2, which isn't in Maverick (but is in xorg-edgers) | 01:41 |
| shlomi | ah ok , that means i have to be sharp on the versions | 01:41 |
| shlomi | ill keep that in mind | 01:41 |
| shlomi | E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.37-8-generic | 01:41 |
| shlomi | E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-2.6.37-8-generic' | 01:42 |
| Sarvatt | RS690M is a one of the rarest radeon GPU's and I remember there being problems with the lucid kernel that might not have been fixed | 01:42 |
| * Sarvatt forgot what the maverick backports kernel was called | 01:42 | |
| shlomi | but on karmic (9.10) everything worked like a bell | 01:43 |
| shlomi | pitty i don't have logs from then.. | 01:43 |
| Sarvatt | if you can boot there's obviously been some progress, that GPU was completely non functional with the stock lucid release | 01:44 |
| shlomi | k | 01:44 |
| shlomi | but on karmic it worked | 01:44 |
| shlomi | so someone did something %100 right in the past | 01:44 |
| Sarvatt | latitude XT was the only laptop shipping with one of those I think | 01:44 |
| Sarvatt | (they pulled it from the market when AMD bought ATI) | 01:44 |
| * Sarvatt nods | 01:44 | |
| Sarvatt | we switched to KMS in lucid | 01:44 |
| shlomi | im using a Gateway LT31 netbook | 01:44 |
| shlomi | *respect | 01:45 |
| Sarvatt | odd, must have codenames mixed up then, whoops! | 01:45 |
| shlomi | ?? | 01:45 |
| shlomi | between 9.10 and 10.4 someone played with the drivers | 01:46 |
| shlomi | and ruined my life | 01:46 |
| shlomi | :) | 01:46 |
| Sarvatt | does linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick exist? | 01:46 |
| shlomi | :| | 01:47 |
| Sarvatt | I would say disable KMS but can't do that with xorg-edgers :( | 01:47 |
| shlomi | oh boy | 01:48 |
| RAOF | So, given this hint you could try the kernel team PPA backport kernels. | 01:49 |
| shlomi | i don't understand | 01:49 |
| Sarvatt | I thought they were in lucid-backports now | 01:49 |
| shlomi | what are u talking about | 01:49 |
| shlomi | sorry guys | 01:49 |
| Sarvatt | upgrading your kernel to fix the bug | 01:49 |
| shlomi | ah | 01:50 |
| RAOF | shlomi: You should be able to install the ‘linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick’ kernel; this is in lucid-updates. | 01:50 |
| shlomi | when u say lucid-updates u mean the repository | 01:50 |
| shlomi | ? | 01:50 |
| RAOF | Yes. | 01:50 |
| shlomi | but im maverik | 01:50 |
| RAOF | … | 01:50 |
| shlomi | so ide have to define then, correct | 01:50 |
| RAOF | Sorry, forgot :) | 01:50 |
| shlomi | ? | 01:50 |
| shlomi | are u suggesting that because it worked on 9.10 | 01:51 |
| shlomi | we should downgrade the kernel ? | 01:51 |
| shlomi | scrap that.. | 01:51 |
| RAOF | No, that won't work. | 01:51 |
| RAOF | I'm thinking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds | 01:52 |
| RAOF | Specifically, I'd try installing the kernel packages from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.37-rc5-natty/ | 01:53 |
| RAOF | Which is the most recent upstream release, and may have fixes. | 01:53 |
| shlomi | so installing an experimental kernel it is ? | 01:53 |
| RAOF | It's not a bad plan to experiment with :) | 01:54 |
| shlomi | which hopefully somehow is related to misfunctioning of the GPU | 01:54 |
| shlomi | okay | 01:54 |
| shlomi | how do i do thatt ? | 01:54 |
| shlomi | sorry :) | 01:54 |
| * Sarvatt gives up, read "I just installed lucid" in the bug report | 01:54 | |
| * Sarvatt reboots for the 10th time, dang you plymouth! | 01:55 | |
| shlomi | so how do i install the kernel ? | 01:55 |
| shlomi | download it and do dpkg | 01:55 |
| shlomi | just like that ? | 01:55 |
| RAOF | Yup. | 01:56 |
| RAOF | In fact, you can probably just double-click on the package after you've downloaded it to install. | 01:56 |
| shlomi | respect | 01:57 |
| shlomi | btw how do i do those cool status updates that Servatt does ? | 01:57 |
| * RAOF wonders whether you mean like this? | 01:57 | |
| shlomi | i do | 01:57 |
| shlomi | just to make sure | 01:58 |
| RAOF | “/me wonders whether you mean like this?” | 01:58 |
| shlomi | i need not the image | 01:58 |
| RAOF | You need the image; you probably don't need the headers. | 01:58 |
| * shlomi now knows the truth - 42 | 01:58 | |
| shlomi | RAOF: download the image and install it ? no need for the headers right ? | 01:59 |
| shlomi | i wanted it to be in red | 01:59 |
| RAOF | Yup, that's right. | 02:00 |
| shlomi | how do u do the red line ? | 02:00 |
| RAOF | That's highlighting. Generally, your client will highlight lines containing your nick. Eg: shlomi | 02:01 |
| shlomi | shlomi | 02:02 |
| shlomi | nope didn't highlight it | 02:02 |
| shlomi | oh well | 02:02 |
| shlomi | ill let you know how it goes | 02:02 |
| shlomi | thanks for all the help | 02:03 |
| shlomi | i really appreciate it ! | 02:03 |
| RAOF | No problem. | 02:03 |
| shlomi | okay so its installed | 02:07 |
| shlomi | now i reboot and what should i expect ? | 02:07 |
| RAOF | Well, ideally you shouldn't notice anything except for that corruption not happening. | 02:07 |
| shlomi | :) | 02:08 |
| shlomi | cheers | 02:08 |
| shlomi | see you on the flipside | 02:08 |
| RAOF | If you need to boot the old kernel for some reason, you can hold down shift during boot. | 02:08 |
| RAOF | To get the grub menu to come up. | 02:08 |
| shlomi | kk | 02:08 |
| RAOF | That'll let you select previous kernels. | 02:08 |
| shlomi | thanks for the tip | 02:08 |
| shlomi | never new thstt | 02:08 |
| shlomi | RAOF ? | 02:12 |
| shlomi | u are a true hacker | 02:12 |
| RAOF | Ya? | 02:12 |
| shlomi | thank you | 02:12 |
| shlomi | amazing | 02:12 |
| shlomi | it never looked better | 02:12 |
| RAOF | There's still the opportunity for it to break :) | 02:12 |
| shlomi | the other screen works | 02:12 |
| shlomi | how come ? | 02:13 |
| RAOF | Didn't the corruption happen sporadically? | 02:13 |
| RAOF | Or was that corruption _always_ there? | 02:13 |
| shlomi | it always lurked somewhere therr | 02:14 |
| RAOF | Oh, well then. It's probably fixed then :) | 02:14 |
| shlomi | but when i connected a secondary monitor it flipped | 02:14 |
| shlomi | now im watching a movie on the other screen | 02:15 |
| shlomi | pretty solid proof | 02:15 |
| RAOF | Yeah. Hurray for people fixing things :) | 02:15 |
| RAOF | ☺ | 02:15 |
| shlomi | thanks | 02:16 |
| shlomi | in the changelog they mentioned a few things | 02:16 |
| shlomi | about radeon stuff | 02:16 |
| shlomi | i guess somewhere along the line it was fixed | 02:17 |
| shlomi | wierd that it broke somewhere along the line | 02:18 |
| shlomi | okay | 02:21 |
| shlomi | u were right | 02:21 |
| shlomi | its not entirely gone | 02:21 |
| shlomi | btw | 02:21 |
| shlomi | i saw a kernel for maverik | 02:21 |
| shlomi | u recomend i install the natty | 02:22 |
| shlomi | RAOF | 02:24 |
| shlomi | should i try install v2.6.37-rc2-maverick | 02:25 |
| shlomi | kernel ? | 02:25 |
| RAOF | That's a somewhat older kernel (rc2 rather than rc5), and the natty vs maverick naming isn't really relevant. | 02:25 |
| shlomi | ah ok | 02:27 |
| shlomi | i thought it's actually a different branch | 02:27 |
| RAOF | No. It's the same (slightly older) code, but with the configuration file from maverick rather than natty. The configuration doesn't change much over time, and generally for the better. | 02:29 |
| shlomi | okay | 02:33 |
| shlomi | i guess ill have to live with this | 02:33 |
| shlomi | do u recommend i update the kernel everyone in a while ? | 02:34 |
| RAOF | Eh; maybe. | 02:36 |
| shlomi | is there anyway i can help debug the problem | 02:37 |
| RAOF | If you're comfortable doing some debugging I'd suggest filing a bug upstream; then the kernel developers can ask questions, propose patches, etc and it's more likely that the problem will be fixed. | 02:37 |
| shlomi | thanks | 02:37 |
| shlomi | where do i fill it out ? | 02:38 |
| RAOF | bugs.freedesktop.org, under the ‘DRI’ project, component DRM/Radeon | 02:40 |
| RAOF | If you need help testing patches, pop back up in here and we can provide testing kernels. | 02:40 |
| shlomi | thanks | 02:40 |
| shlomi | damn it really screwed up now | 02:54 |
| shlomi | umph | 02:54 |
| shlomi | at least the second screen woeks | 02:54 |
| shlomi | cheers | 02:54 |
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| vish | Sarvatt: hi, i tried the x-x-v-ati from edgers and it doesnt fix the issue, (it seemed fine for 2days though).. there are still X freezes.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/541908/ , http://paste.ubuntu.com/541909/ but this time the bt's look different.. o.0 | 15:14 |
| vish | it happens with smooth-scrolling enabled in FF4 | 15:14 |
| * vish tries with smooth-scrolling disabled.. | 15:14 | |
| vish | the first one was where i tried to ^C and then do a backtrace, which dint work.. so i had to detach and then attach again to bt.. might be the reason for the difference. | 15:17 |
| kcimc | i'm new to ppa installs, i'm following the webupd8 tutorial http://j.mp/eIuog4 are there any other packages besides (nvidia-current nvidia-current-modaliases nvidia-settings) that i should be installing to get 260.19.26 ? | 16:47 |
| kcimc | i'm just confused because i also see nvidia-graphics-drivers and the xserver-xorg updates | 16:49 |
| kcimc | if this is just dev and not help let me know if there is a better place to ask | 16:54 |
| bjsnider | you should be using jockey to get it | 16:56 |
| kcimc | i'm in ubuntu, it looks like jockey-gtk is the 'additional drivers' app, but i don't see any options but 'remove' | 17:02 |
| kcimc | maybe because i already ran the apt-get install | 17:02 |
| bjsnider | opent he hardware drivers manager | 17:04 |
| kcimc | i'm there, it's the same thing as running jockey-gtk from the terminal | 17:04 |
| bjsnider | does it say nvidia-current is installed and it's the .26 version? | 17:05 |
| kcimc | it says 'nvidia accelerated graphics driver (version current) [recommended]' and doesn't say the version number | 17:06 |
| kcimc | the nvidia x server settings still says 260.19.06 but i haven't restarted yet | 17:06 |
| bjsnider | does it indicate the driver is installed? | 17:06 |
| kcimc | yes, 'activated' | 17:06 |
| bjsnider | ok, you should be fine | 17:06 |
| kcimc | ok, i'll restart and see if nvidia-settings has the new version number | 17:07 |
| kcimc | yup, it's updated | 17:08 |
| kcimc | so in the future i can just go to jockey-gtk and it will check the ppa? | 17:08 |
| bjsnider | no, it will be updated through update-manager like every other package | 17:09 |
| bjsnider | the first install and switching between drivers is what jockey is for | 17:09 |
| kcimc | aha, i see... that makes more sense | 17:10 |
| kcimc | and now in update-manager i see the packages i didn't install (xserver-xorg-* etc) | 17:10 |
| kcimc | awesome, thanks for the help bjsnider :) | 17:10 |
| kcimc | i'm making an interactive piece for a bunch of screens and the nvidia drivers are kind of important to have up to date http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5129/5248093665_890d121d55_z.jpg | 17:11 |
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