[01:04] <shlomi> hi
[01:04] <shlomi> can someone help me configure my netbook
[01:04] <shlomi> it seems that the drivers have screwed up
[01:04] <shlomi> in pm :)
[01:04] <shlomi> please please
[01:06] <RAOF> Generally the plan would be to debug in the public channel, so more people can help.
[01:07] <shlomi> what public channel ?
[01:08] <shlomi> ubuntu-x referred to here , no ?
[01:08] <shlomi> anyways ill just post the case
[01:08] <RAOF> Yes, in this channel.
[01:08] <shlomi> hope someone can throw me a bone
[01:09] <shlomi> first, ive installed ubuntu 9.10 and everything works like a charm
[01:09] <shlomi> i needed to upgrade for reasons that irrelevant reasons
[01:09] <RAOF> Ok.
[01:09] <shlomi> once i upgraded to 10.4 the problems started
[01:10] <shlomi> every couple of minutes the screen corrupts
[01:10] <shlomi> wierd lines 
[01:10] <shlomi> pictures not clear
[01:10] <shlomi> font scrambled
[01:10] <shlomi> yada yada
[01:10] <shlomi> ive added launchpad to my repository
[01:11] <shlomi> tried installing radeonhd
[01:11] <shlomi> oh sorry
[01:11] <shlomi> btw 
[01:11] <RAOF> So, what graphics chip do you have, and what drivers are you using (if there is an option)
[01:11] <shlomi> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[01:11] <shlomi> that i would call is an excellent question :)
[01:12] <shlomi> now, how to i know what drivers are being loaded
[01:12] <shlomi> i read the xorg.log.0
[01:12] <shlomi> [    15.782] (II) LoadModule: "radeon"
[01:12] <shlomi> [    15.783] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
[01:12] <shlomi> [    15.783] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[01:12] <shlomi> [    15.783]    compiled for 1.9.0, module version = 6.13.2
[01:12] <shlomi> [    15.783]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[01:12] <shlomi> [    15.783]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 8.0
[01:12] <shlomi> [    15.783] (II) LoadModule: "vesa"
[01:12] <shlomi> [    15.784] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so
[01:13] <shlomi> [    15.784] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[01:13] <shlomi> [    15.784]    compiled for 1.8.99.905, module version = 2.3.0
[01:13] <shlomi> [    15.784]    Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[01:13] <shlomi> [    15.784]    ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 8.0
[01:13] <shlomi> sorry
[01:13] <RAOF> shlomi: You want to use a pastebin for that.
[01:13] <shlomi> hmm
[01:13] <shlomi> genious u are :)
[01:13] <shlomi> sec
[01:13] <shlomi> ive never used it before
[01:14] <RAOF> In fact, could you pastebin your entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log and dmesg?
[01:14] <shlomi> http://pastebin.com/sW5A7HRH
[01:14] <shlomi> sec ill add dmesg
[01:17] <shlomi> heres the dmesg
[01:17] <shlomi> http://pastebin.com/5KwsAy3K
[01:18] <shlomi> i think line 677 in the dmesg is the beginning of the drm init
[01:19] <RAOF> Yeah.  Those logs seem to be pretty inoffensive.  Could you describe the problem a bit more?
[01:19] <shlomi> $ glxinfo | grep vendor
[01:19] <shlomi> server glx vendor string: SGI
[01:19] <shlomi> client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
[01:19] <shlomi> OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
[01:20] <shlomi> it's actually really hard
[01:20] <shlomi> im in fear it will screw up
[01:21] <shlomi> first, i cant connect my second monitor
[01:21] <shlomi> by far it screws up, big time
[01:21] <shlomi> hang on, what driver is it loading ?
[01:21] <RAOF> It's loading the radeon driver; that's correct.
[01:23] <shlomi> how does it know to load that one
[01:23] <shlomi> where is the settings
[01:23] <shlomi> *are
[01:23] <shlomi> let's say i wanna load the radeonhd
[01:23] <shlomi> maybe that will solve the whole issue
[01:25] <RAOF> Unlikely; that driver's been dead for a year and doesn't do 3D.
[01:26] <RAOF> It loads radeon because that's the default for the PCIID of your GPU.
[01:26] <RAOF> You could specify a different driver in xorg.conf if you wanted.
[01:27] <shlomi> would u recommend that
[01:27] <shlomi> so that driver i have now is the latest 
[01:27] <shlomi> ?
[01:27] <RAOF> Yes.
[01:27] <RAOF> You've got the driver that should work, and you're unlikely to find a better driver.
[01:27] <shlomi> btw, i tried turning on the visual effects
[01:27] <shlomi> how can i upload a pic 
[01:27] <shlomi> (to where ?)
[01:27] <RAOF> imageshack?
[01:28] <shlomi> thanks 
[01:28] <shlomi> sec
[01:29] <shlomi> http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6489/screenshotdkp.png
[01:29] <shlomi> once i turned the visual effects off the horror stopped :)
[01:29] <shlomi> so what r we looking at ?
[01:30] <shlomi> how do we fix this ?
[01:30] <RAOF> Wow, that's really messed up :)
[01:30] <shlomi> thanks, i take great pride in my creations 
[01:30] <shlomi> what about mesa
[01:30] <shlomi> or lets put it this way
[01:31] <shlomi> what is the difference between 9.10 and 10.4
[01:31] <shlomi> (although im now with 10.10)
[01:31] <RAOF> If you get that *without* having desktop effects enabled, it's not to do with mesa.
[01:31] <RAOF> If that only occurs when desktop effects are enabled, it may well be mesa.
[01:33] <shlomi> when desktop effects are off i still get it
[01:33] <shlomi> it just fixes itself alot quicker
[01:33] <shlomi> u know, ive got to play around with it abit
[01:33] <shlomi> click here, click there
[01:33] <shlomi> and it kinda comes back
[01:34] <RAOF> I wonder if it has to do with power management.
[01:34] <shlomi> interesting
[01:34] <shlomi> how by ?
[01:35] <shlomi> btw, ive posted here 
[01:35] <shlomi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1614520
[01:35] <shlomi> why would Temüjin say: If you're running the r300g driver from xorg-edgers PPA, report the bug to them.
[01:35] <shlomi> what's that got to do
[01:35] <shlomi> ?
[01:38] <shlomi> RAOF ?
[01:39] <RAOF> That's saying that if you're using the packages from xorg-edgers (which are snapshots of upstream development) then filing a bug upstream is a good idea.
[01:39] <shlomi> but im not right ?
[01:40] <shlomi> even though ive added the repositories and updated the packages
[01:40] <RAOF> You are using those packages.
[01:40] <Sarvatt> hmm
[01:40] <shlomi> how do u know ?
[01:40] <shlomi> so frustrating
[01:40] <Sarvatt> shlomi: sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.37-8-generic
[01:41] <RAOF> Because you've got xserver-xorg-video-ati version 6.13.2, which isn't in Maverick (but is in xorg-edgers)
[01:41] <shlomi> ah ok , that means i have to be sharp on the versions
[01:41] <shlomi> ill keep that in mind
[01:41] <shlomi> E: Unable to locate package linux-image-2.6.37-8-generic
[01:42] <shlomi> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-2.6.37-8-generic'
[01:42] <Sarvatt> RS690M is a one of the rarest radeon GPU's and I remember there being problems with the lucid kernel that might not have been fixed
[01:42]  * Sarvatt forgot what the maverick backports kernel was called
[01:43] <shlomi> but on karmic (9.10) everything worked like a bell
[01:43] <shlomi> pitty i don't have logs from then..
[01:44] <Sarvatt> if you can boot there's obviously been some progress, that GPU was completely non functional with the stock lucid release
[01:44] <shlomi> k
[01:44] <shlomi> but on karmic it worked
[01:44] <shlomi> so someone did something %100 right in the past
[01:44] <Sarvatt> latitude XT was the only laptop shipping with one of those I think
[01:44] <Sarvatt> (they pulled it from the market when AMD bought ATI)
[01:44]  * Sarvatt nods
[01:44] <Sarvatt> we switched to KMS in lucid
[01:44] <shlomi> im using a Gateway LT31 netbook
[01:45] <shlomi> *respect
[01:45] <Sarvatt> odd, must have codenames mixed up then, whoops!
[01:45] <shlomi> ??
[01:46] <shlomi> between 9.10 and 10.4 someone played with the drivers
[01:46] <shlomi> and ruined my life
[01:46] <shlomi> :)
[01:46] <Sarvatt> does linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick exist?
[01:47] <shlomi> :|
[01:47] <Sarvatt> I would say disable KMS but can't do that with xorg-edgers :(
[01:48] <shlomi> oh boy
[01:49] <RAOF> So, given this hint you could try the kernel team PPA backport kernels.
[01:49] <shlomi> i don't understand 
[01:49] <Sarvatt> I thought they were in lucid-backports now
[01:49] <shlomi> what are u talking about 
[01:49] <shlomi> sorry guys
[01:49] <Sarvatt> upgrading your kernel to fix the bug
[01:50] <shlomi> ah
[01:50] <RAOF> shlomi: You should be able to install the ‘linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick’ kernel; this is in lucid-updates.
[01:50] <shlomi> when u say lucid-updates u mean the repository
[01:50] <shlomi> ?
[01:50] <RAOF> Yes.
[01:50] <shlomi> but im maverik
[01:50] <RAOF> …
[01:50] <shlomi> so ide have to define then, correct
[01:50] <RAOF> Sorry, forgot :)
[01:50] <shlomi> ?
[01:51] <shlomi> are u suggesting that because it worked on 9.10
[01:51] <shlomi> we should downgrade the kernel ?
[01:51] <shlomi> scrap that..
[01:51] <RAOF> No, that won't work.
[01:52] <RAOF> I'm thinking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[01:53] <RAOF> Specifically, I'd try installing the kernel packages from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.37-rc5-natty/
[01:53] <RAOF> Which is the most recent upstream release, and may have fixes.
[01:53] <shlomi> so installing an experimental kernel it is ?
[01:54] <RAOF> It's not a bad plan to experiment with :)
[01:54] <shlomi> which hopefully somehow is related to misfunctioning of the GPU
[01:54] <shlomi> okay
[01:54] <shlomi> how do i do thatt ?
[01:54] <shlomi> sorry :)
[01:54]  * Sarvatt gives up, read "I just installed lucid" in the bug report
[01:55]  * Sarvatt reboots for the 10th time, dang you plymouth!
[01:55] <shlomi> so how do i install the kernel ?
[01:55] <shlomi> download it and do dpkg 
[01:55] <shlomi> just like that ?
[01:56] <RAOF> Yup.
[01:56] <RAOF> In fact, you can probably just double-click on the package after you've downloaded it to install.
[01:57] <shlomi> respect
[01:57] <shlomi> btw how do i do those cool status updates that Servatt does ?
[01:57]  * RAOF wonders whether you mean like this?
[01:57] <shlomi> i do
[01:58] <shlomi> just to make sure
[01:58] <RAOF> “/me wonders whether you mean like this?”
[01:58] <shlomi> i need not the image
[01:58] <RAOF> You need the image; you probably don't need the headers.
[01:58]  * shlomi now knows the truth - 42
[01:59] <shlomi> RAOF: download the image and install it ? no need for the headers right ?
[01:59] <shlomi> i wanted it to be in red
[02:00] <RAOF> Yup, that's right.
[02:00] <shlomi> how do u do the red line ?
[02:01] <RAOF> That's highlighting.  Generally, your client will highlight lines containing your nick.  Eg: shlomi 
[02:02] <shlomi> shlomi
[02:02] <shlomi> nope didn't highlight it
[02:02] <shlomi> oh well
[02:02] <shlomi> ill let you know how it goes
[02:03] <shlomi> thanks for all the help
[02:03] <shlomi> i really appreciate it !
[02:03] <RAOF> No problem.
[02:07] <shlomi> okay so its installed
[02:07] <shlomi> now i reboot and what should i expect ?
[02:07] <RAOF> Well, ideally you shouldn't notice anything except for that corruption not happening.
[02:08] <shlomi> :)
[02:08] <shlomi> cheers
[02:08] <shlomi> see you on the flipside
[02:08] <RAOF> If you need to boot the old kernel for some reason, you can hold down shift during boot.
[02:08] <RAOF> To get the grub menu to come up.
[02:08] <shlomi> kk
[02:08] <RAOF> That'll let you select previous kernels.
[02:08] <shlomi> thanks for the tip
[02:08] <shlomi> never new thstt
[02:12] <shlomi> RAOF ?
[02:12] <shlomi> u are a true hacker
[02:12] <RAOF> Ya?
[02:12] <shlomi> thank you
[02:12] <shlomi> amazing
[02:12] <shlomi> it never looked better
[02:12] <RAOF> There's still the opportunity for it to break :)
[02:12] <shlomi> the other screen works 
[02:13] <shlomi> how come ?
[02:13] <RAOF> Didn't the corruption happen sporadically?
[02:13] <RAOF> Or was that corruption _always_ there?
[02:14] <shlomi> it always lurked somewhere therr
[02:14] <RAOF> Oh, well then.  It's probably fixed then :)
[02:14] <shlomi> but when i connected a secondary monitor it flipped
[02:15] <shlomi> now im watching a movie on the other screen
[02:15] <shlomi> pretty solid proof
[02:15] <RAOF> Yeah.  Hurray for people fixing things :)
[02:15] <RAOF> ☺
[02:16] <shlomi> thanks
[02:16] <shlomi> in the changelog they mentioned a few things
[02:16] <shlomi> about radeon stuff
[02:17] <shlomi> i guess somewhere along the line it was fixed
[02:18] <shlomi> wierd that it broke somewhere along the line
[02:21] <shlomi> okay
[02:21] <shlomi> u were right
[02:21] <shlomi> its not entirely gone
[02:21] <shlomi> btw 
[02:21] <shlomi> i saw a kernel for maverik
[02:22] <shlomi> u recomend i install the natty
[02:24] <shlomi> RAOF 
[02:25] <shlomi> should i try install v2.6.37-rc2-maverick
[02:25] <shlomi> kernel ?
[02:25] <RAOF> That's a somewhat older kernel (rc2 rather than rc5), and the natty vs maverick naming isn't really relevant.
[02:27] <shlomi> ah ok
[02:27] <shlomi> i thought it's actually a different branch
[02:29] <RAOF> No.  It's the same (slightly older) code, but with the configuration file from maverick rather than natty.  The configuration doesn't change much over time, and generally for the better.
[02:33] <shlomi> okay
[02:33] <shlomi> i guess ill have to live with this
[02:34] <shlomi> do u recommend i update the kernel everyone in a while ?
[02:36] <RAOF> Eh; maybe.
[02:37] <shlomi> is there anyway i can help debug the problem
[02:37] <RAOF> If you're comfortable doing some debugging I'd suggest filing a bug upstream; then the kernel developers can ask questions, propose patches, etc and it's more likely that the problem will be fixed.
[02:37] <shlomi> thanks
[02:38] <shlomi> where do i fill it out ?
[02:40] <RAOF> bugs.freedesktop.org, under the ‘DRI’ project, component DRM/Radeon
[02:40] <RAOF> If you need help testing patches, pop back up in here and we can provide testing kernels.
[02:40] <shlomi> thanks
[02:54] <shlomi> damn it really screwed up now
[02:54] <shlomi> umph
[02:54] <shlomi> at least the second screen woeks
[02:54] <shlomi> cheers
[15:14] <vish> Sarvatt: hi, i tried the x-x-v-ati from edgers and it doesnt fix the issue, (it seemed fine for 2days though).. there are still X freezes.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/541908/ , http://paste.ubuntu.com/541909/  but this time the bt's look different.. o.0  
[15:14] <vish> it happens with smooth-scrolling enabled in FF4
[15:14]  * vish tries with smooth-scrolling disabled..
[15:17] <vish> the first one was where i tried to ^C and then do a backtrace, which dint work.. so i had to detach and then attach again to bt.. might be the reason for the difference.
[16:47] <kcimc> i'm new to ppa installs, i'm following the webupd8 tutorial http://j.mp/eIuog4 are there any other packages besides (nvidia-current nvidia-current-modaliases nvidia-settings) that i should be installing to get 260.19.26 ?
[16:49] <kcimc> i'm just confused because i also see nvidia-graphics-drivers and the xserver-xorg updates
[16:54] <kcimc> if this is just dev and not help let me know if there is a better place to ask
[16:56] <bjsnider> you should be using jockey to get it
[17:02] <kcimc> i'm in ubuntu, it looks like jockey-gtk is the 'additional drivers' app, but i don't see any options but 'remove'
[17:02] <kcimc> maybe because i already ran the apt-get install
[17:04] <bjsnider> opent he hardware drivers manager
[17:04] <kcimc> i'm there, it's the same thing as running jockey-gtk from the terminal
[17:05] <bjsnider> does it say nvidia-current is installed and it's the .26 version?
[17:06] <kcimc> it says 'nvidia accelerated graphics driver (version current) [recommended]' and doesn't say the version number
[17:06] <kcimc> the nvidia x server settings still says 260.19.06 but i haven't restarted yet
[17:06] <bjsnider> does it indicate the driver is installed?
[17:06] <kcimc> yes, 'activated'
[17:06] <bjsnider> ok, you should be fine
[17:07] <kcimc> ok, i'll restart and see if nvidia-settings has the new version number
[17:08] <kcimc> yup, it's updated
[17:08] <kcimc> so in the future i can just go to jockey-gtk and it will check the ppa?
[17:09] <bjsnider> no, it will be updated through update-manager like every other package
[17:09] <bjsnider> the first install and switching between drivers is what jockey is for
[17:10] <kcimc> aha, i see... that makes more sense
[17:10] <kcimc> and now in update-manager i see the packages i didn't install (xserver-xorg-* etc)
[17:10] <kcimc> awesome, thanks for the help bjsnider :)
[17:11] <kcimc> i'm making an interactive piece for a bunch of screens and the nvidia drivers are kind of important to have up to date http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5129/5248093665_890d121d55_z.jpg