[08:24] <zorsman> Stupid Q here.  Recently switched to Xubuntu from Vista.  Can anyone think of an alternative to sketchup.  Is it just me, or is there no comparable  alternative out there?  If not, can anyone recommend a decent free CAD app.  Thanks in advance.
[08:28] <moetunes> zorsman:  this page could help - http://www.tech-faq.com/linux-cad.html
[08:31] <zorsman> thanks for the link. much appreciated
[12:32] <ubuntu> can anyone help me with a xubuntu install issue?
[12:33] <ubuntu> I booted with a 10.04 usb, but I cannot click on the desktop install icon nor execute it
[12:33] <ubuntu> I did manage to install it on a machine exactly like this one
[12:33] <bazhang> md5 the iso first; was this using unetbootin?
[12:34] <ubuntu> nope, used the instructions on the website using a mac to create usb
[12:34] <bazhang> the computer in question is a mac?
[12:34] <ubuntu> the machine boots and runs the "hot trial" like from usb directly
[12:34] <ubuntu> nope an asus 701 4g
[12:35] <bazhang> what website tutorial
[12:35] <ubuntu> I have another one exactly like it and I managed that one
[12:35] <ubuntu> uhh ubuntu.com install instructions
[12:35] <bazhang> unetbootin works *perfectly* with my eeepc 701 4g
[12:35] <ubuntu> but I need a windows box to run that no?
[12:36] <bazhang> or an ubuntu one
[12:36] <ubuntu> unetbootin I mean
[12:36] <ubuntu> aha
[12:36] <bazhang> its in the 10.04 repos
[12:36] <ubuntu> so I could install unetbootin on my other xubuntu machine and then re create the install usb?
[12:36] <bazhang> that's what I would do, yeah
[12:36] <ubuntu> sorry for being a noob peeps
[12:36] <bazhang> not an easy question
[12:37] <ubuntu> ok. I will go try that then
[12:37] <ubuntu> I was just stumped because my other identical machine did work
[12:37] <bazhang> that is odd
[12:38] <ubuntu> yeah. dont remember using unetbootin, just created a startup disk with the default make startup disk thingie
[12:38] <bazhang> usb-creator
[12:38] <ubuntu> anyway; thanks a lot people for your help! going to try unetbootin right now.
[12:49] <Guest46453> hello
[12:51] <Guest46453> can you help me for solve the conflit with ACPI module between gnome and xfce on xubuntu lucid version ?
[12:52] <Guest46453> the policy of xfce ACPI module is different and less priority than the ACPI module of GNOME
[12:58] <xubuntu_noob> hello. I got advice on installing xubuntu couple minutes earlier
[12:59] <xubuntu_noob> now used unetbootin for install usb, same problem, cant click or execute install icon once booted in trial run
[12:59] <xubuntu_noob> any ideas?
[13:03] <xubuntu_noob> hello? anyone here?
[13:04] <Guest46453> thanks i resolve the problem alone
[13:04] <Guest46453> sincerly
[13:04] <Guest46453> bye
[14:15] <xubuntu_question> hi can anyone help me with a xubuntu install issue?
[14:15] <TheSheep> !hi | xubuntu_question
[14:16] <xubuntu_question> so I booted my eeepc 4g with xubuntu usb but I cannot click on install icon
[14:16] <xubuntu_question> using it right now to chat
[14:18] <xubuntu_question> hello?
[14:21] <charlie-tca> xubuntu_question: Have you tried using the menu item to run the installer? Applications -> System -> Install...
[15:17] <sauerbraten> Hi! the normal ubuntu netbook edition uses gnome as desktop environment, right? is there something like it but using XFCE? :) I think it would be a bit faster again :)
[15:19] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not a netbook specific edition, no
[15:19] <sauerbraten> do you think it would be faster than the netbook edition with gnome?
[15:20] <sauerbraten> I use xubuntu on my desktop, too, but due to the small screen of the EEE PC 701 I use the netbook edition there :P
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Done properly, sure it _could_ be faster.
[15:21] <sauerbraten> what do you mean with "done properly"?
[15:21] <charlie-tca> replace gnome with xfce, not add to it
[15:22] <charlie-tca> optimize it for the netbook screen size
[15:22] <sauerbraten> will the netbook interface for small screens still work then? I don't think so :/
[15:22] <sauerbraten> ah ok
[15:22] <sauerbraten> well, like small panels and such?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> no, it won't just work. It would have to built to work, wouldn't it?
[15:23] <Sysi> atm on netbook: 28px panel, no window borders
[15:24] <charlie-tca> and running xubuntu?
[15:24] <sauerbraten> well yes, i just thought if the netbook screen interface is independent of the base environment, like you could use it on xfce, kde, lxde and kde
[15:24] <sauerbraten> Sysi, screen size? :)
[15:25] <Sysi> 1024×600
[15:25] <charlie-tca> sauerbraten: the netbook interface is very much gnome dependent as built by Ubuntu
[15:25] <sauerbraten> eee 701 has 800x480 :P
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Sysi: running Xubuntu or what?
[15:26] <Sysi> fedora xfce
[15:26] <Sysi> i have 701 too, just use everything fullscreen
[15:26] <Sysi> anything don't fit anycase
[15:27] <sauerbraten> charlie-tca, ok, too bad... would be nice if there is something like a quickstart interface for xubuntu, with buttons of programs you use most and so on, simply running as fullscreen window
[15:29] <Sysi> put big panel to autohide
[15:29] <Sysi> you can put launchers there etc
[15:30] <charlie-tca> xfce4.8 has better panel configurations coming. It will be easier to do things with the panels in it.
[15:30] <sauerbraten> well I will try out ubuntu netbook edition and if it is slow on 701 I'll get xubuntu :)
[15:30] <Sysi> i hope it won't be too different (as in worse)
[15:31] <sauerbraten> charlie-tca, is there real transperency? :)
[15:31] <Sysi> unity don't work well on 800px wide screen and 512 ram
[15:31] <Sysi> i tried
[15:31] <sauerbraten> Sysi, I have 2GB ram :)
[15:31] <Sysi> cool
[15:31] <sauerbraten> yeah :P
[15:31] <Sysi> omnom->
[15:31] <charlie-tca> I don't see transparency option for panels
[15:32] <sauerbraten> aww they shall put it in :/
[15:34] <charlie-tca> I don't like them transparent, myself
[15:34] <sauerbraten> will xubuntu 11.4 have big changes? maybe new design or something?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to set that in any version
[15:34] <charlie-tca> no big changes, except Xfce4.8
[15:34] <sauerbraten> charlie-tca, on my desktop machine it would look good i think :)
[15:34]  * charlie-tca thinks that is *big* though
[15:35] <sauerbraten> maybe it is, which changes does xfce 4.8 include?
[15:35] <sauerbraten> nvm googled it :P
[15:36] <charlie-tca> no more HAL
[15:37] <sauerbraten> and many changes to xfce4-panel :)
[15:37] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:41] <Sysi> less Hal, moar battery ♥
[15:42] <Sysi> xfce-natty isn't gonna use wayland?
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Is anything going to use wayland already?
[15:44] <Sysi> not if they're not gonna develop it *fast*
[18:19] <linuxFreak788> will xubuntu boot from an extended fagt partition?
[19:10] <dellfar> hi
[19:10] <David-A> hi
[19:10] <TheSheep> !hi
[19:11] <dellfar> can I install adobe CS4 or CS5 in xubuntu with wine?
[19:12]  * TheSheep has no idea
[19:12] <TheSheep> I guess I would ask Adobe support
[19:12] <bazhang> try #winehq after checking the appdb
[19:13] <bazhang> !appdb | dellfar
[19:16] <dellfar> 10x
[19:22] <bazhang> np
[19:32] <xubuntu756> hi
[19:32] <xubuntu756> 151354453443443
[19:33] <Sysi> !hi
[19:42] <TheSheep> Sysi: you scared them!
[19:43] <charlie-tca> might be okay, though
[19:44] <TheSheep> yeah, they were kinda scary too
[19:44] <TheSheep> and 756 of them
[19:44] <charlie-tca> :-)
[22:08] <Thermi> gn8
[22:54] <subspider> hello
[22:54] <charlie-tca> !hi | subspider
[23:17] <subspider> hello charlie-tca
[23:18] <subspider> how are you my dear friend
[23:18] <charlie-tca> getting along :-)
[23:18] <subspider> :)