[00:07]  * apachelogger wonders when kubuntu-mobile can go natty
[00:07]  * apachelogger also wonders if rbelem junior is released yet
[00:09] <valorie> someone is working pretty hard for *that* release event
[00:09] <valorie> for sure
[00:18] <apachelogger> how long does this take anyway?
[00:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose surely must know, she did a couple of them already ... scnr
[00:21]  * valorie has done three of the birth variety of release events
[00:21] <valorie> the first one took almost two days
[00:22] <valorie> with my daughter, we didn't have time to get the midwife, and she was born in the vw bug
[00:22] <apachelogger> :O
[00:22] <apachelogger> two days?
[00:22] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[00:22] <apachelogger> good thing I am no lady, two days of work without alcohol
[00:22] <apachelogger> sounds pretty impossible to me ;)
[00:24] <valorie> lol
[00:24] <valorie> it was hard work, but I was young and stupid
[00:55]  * apachelogger is out of advocaat
[00:55] <apachelogger> is that even spelled that way
[00:55] <apachelogger> well, I am out of something
[00:57] <yofel> and I'm out of nerves regarding the launchpad buildds, how little memory do those have o.O? (Ok, I know the openjdk java vm is crap, but still...) http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60458966/buildlog.txt.gz
[00:58] <apachelogger> yofel: report a bug
[00:59] <apachelogger> whenever something annoys you: report a bug
[00:59] <apachelogger> whenever it is slow: report a bug
[00:59] <apachelogger> whenever you feel like it: report a bug :P
[00:59] <dantti> wow :) kpk got WAY faster  :D
[00:59] <apachelogger> hold on, are you not the kpk dev? :P
[01:00] <dantti> apachelogger: well yes, it's just that in this last version when the listing was a bit big it got a bit slow to display the list
[01:01]  * apachelogger notes that muon always was fast :P
[01:01] <apachelogger> lol
[01:01] <apachelogger> valorie: isnt it lovely how people can waste my time
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> that's becaues it's pulling data off of an MMap instead of everything over DBus :P
[01:01] <dantti> I did a bunch of improvements but still a bit slow, and today I realised that it was actually slow because the default Qt class to calculate the sizeHint was dam slow
[01:03] <dantti> apachelogger: it wasn't slow because of the data arrival, that's pretty fast (not as much local data of course), but after the data arives it took long to display them..
[01:03]  * apachelogger thinks JontheEchidna has a highlight on muon
[01:03] <apachelogger> dantti: yes, I know, IIRC JontheEchidna also put a lot of work into the actual display improvements
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> no, actually I was about to post about a bug I reported today in response to you telling yofel to always report bugs :P
[01:03] <apachelogger> you two should exchange knowledge...
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> bug 259333
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 259333
[01:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the always report bugs paradigm only applies to launchpad :P
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:05] <valorie> lol
[01:06] <dantti> apachelogger: btw, both kpk (now as Apper) and print-manager are in git :D
[01:12] <apachelogger> terrible news everyone!
[01:12] <apachelogger> I am going to bed
[01:12] <apachelogger> nini
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> nini
[01:12] <dantti> apachelogger: dream with C code to print-manager :D
[01:12] <apachelogger> I shall dream of the java
[01:13] <apachelogger> java java java
[01:13] <apachelogger> *explode*
[01:13] <dantti> ok you shall have nightmares :P
[01:16]  * yofel adds  some pyth0rn to the dream list
[01:16] <yofel> sleep well :P
[01:17] <valorie> sweet dreams, apachelogger
[01:22] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1205363 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp Get rid of the unused status bar. It was only slowing down startup time
[02:39]  * JontheEchidna just sped up APT init by 5%
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/qKfxZ.png vs http://i.imgur.com/8cJvS.png
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> IsImportantDep was reading the Install-Recommends and Install-Suggests settings off disk each time for all packages except essential ones
[03:35] <CIA-24> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1205383 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) (log message trimmed)
[03:35] <CIA-24> -Add a Backend::package() overload that takes a QLatin1String. If you can use
[03:35] <CIA-24> this overload, it is more efficient since you don't have to go QString -> ascii
[03:36] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1205384 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/Application.cpp Use the new QLatin1String QApt::Backend::Package() overload to find out what package our Application is. Slightly speeds up ApplicationBackend::init()
[03:37] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1205385 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/PackageModel/PackageDelegate.cpp Proper horizontal size hints for libmuon's PackageDelegate.
[05:33] <nixternal> apachelogger: what is WoL? I just got back from an amazing restaurant/bar, so I may not even be seeing it straight right now :)
[05:34]  * valorie guesses: World of Life
[05:35] <valorie> which sounds like more fun to me than World of Warcraft
[05:35] <valorie> nixternal: celebrating the 77th anniversary of the end of Prohibition?
[05:36] <nixternal> sure, sounds good too me :)
[05:37] <valorie> :-)
[05:37] <nixternal> i might have celebbrated a bitch to much though to night
[05:37] <nixternal> err, a bit to much
[05:37] <maco> yep yep sounds right
[05:37] <valorie> you're slurring a bit there, nixternal
[05:37] <valorie> lol
[05:38] <nixternal> maco: what do you know? :p
[05:38]  * nixternal waits for the tequilla at 10am to pop up :p
[05:38] <maco> 11am
[05:39] <maco> though you tried to justify by pointing out the timezones... and i said it was 10am in your usual timezone
[05:39] <nixternal> 11am? dang, I must have been running late. and if you remember, i wasn't the only one. specialkevin and greg-g joined me as well
[05:39] <nixternal> dang, that took a long time to type correctly
[05:40] <valorie> wait, isn't nixternal in Chicago?
[05:40] <maco> yes
[05:41] <maco> we were in ohio at the time
[05:41] <valorie> oh, you are referring to good times in the past
[05:41] <valorie> wow, tequila in the morning
[05:41] <maco> yeah he was doing tequila shots at lunch at OLF 2008
[05:41] <valorie> lol
[05:41] <nixternal> need to go hang out with maco again. i was a good punchin' bag for jokes then :p
[05:41] <valorie> although a bloody mary has tequila, right?
[05:41] <maco> *i* need to get crimsun's photos of you dancing on the bus at uds
[05:42] <nixternal> man, olf 2008 i can barely remember. me, jono, kevin, greg, and the other michigan folks tore columbus up
[05:42] <maco> jorge
[05:42] <valorie> I 've never had one of those for breakfast, but I rmember a friend having one
[05:42] <nixternal> we had a cameraman with us, and he was telling everyone we were rockstars and they fell for it
[05:42] <nixternal> jorge wimped out cuz jill came down
[05:42] <maco> yeah he didnt come to lunch with us. they went and did a romantic one alone or something
[05:42] <nixternal> i think our lunch was romantic :D
[05:43] <valorie> shots at lunch, no wonder you think that!
[05:43] <valorie> lol
[05:43] <maco> i was dating dan at the time right?
[05:43] <nixternal> i kept sneaking out during talks to go to the different bars too. i fell in love with columbus, though i still think Ohio State sucks, yeah that is at you vorian 
[05:43] <maco> he and i didnt flake off for a romantic lunch!
[05:43] <nixternal> maco: i think so, but i don't know. i think i found out about it afterwards
[05:53] <maco> nixternal: the other day, a recruiter who i guess cant type, asked me if i know rugby
[05:56] <nixternal> lol
[05:57] <nixternal> i had one call me the other day saying "I just read over your resume and think you would be perfect for this job." I asked about the job and he said, "It is doing .NET development" and I broke in and said something like, "Then you didn't read my resume you fscking idiot!"
[10:29] <apachelogger> nixternal: wake up lazy monster
[10:29] <apachelogger> erm
[10:29] <apachelogger> wake on lan
[10:29] <apachelogger> or something like that
[10:29]  * apachelogger gets all lost in acronyms
[10:29] <apachelogger> ...
[10:31] <valorie> wake up lazy monster would be WULM
[10:31] <valorie> :-)
[10:32] <apachelogger> oh
[10:32] <apachelogger> right
[10:33] <apachelogger> ah
[10:33] <apachelogger> What overhappenedto Lessie
[10:34] <valorie> still lurking in the loch, I do believe
[10:34] <valorie> although I think she's Nessie
[10:34] <valorie> since it's Loch Ness
[10:34] <apachelogger> oh
[10:34] <apachelogger> oh
[10:35] <apachelogger> pardon my scots
[10:35] <apachelogger> s/lessie/lassie
[10:35] <valorie> I think you don't have much Scots blood
[10:35]  * valorie is a bit over 1/4
[10:35]  * apachelogger got royal austrian blood though :P
[10:35] <valorie> nice!
[10:35] <apachelogger> then again we austrians got rid of the royal thing *just in time*...
[10:35] <valorie> although they were an ugly bunch, the Hanoverians
[10:35] <apachelogger> unlike the empire, which now tries to color their prince
[10:36] <valorie> so I'm not sure I'd boast about that line....
[10:36] <apachelogger> ah
[10:36] <apachelogger> you meant the wrong ones
[10:36] <valorie> brits are still trying to rid themselves of their Prince
[10:36] <apachelogger> those where the swiss who happened to rule austria
[10:36] <valorie> ah
[10:36] <apachelogger> not the austrians who happeend to rule austria
[10:36] <valorie> damn Swiss
[10:36] <valorie> lol
[10:37] <apachelogger> back in the days we were an archdukedom (is that even a proper word?)
[10:38]  * apachelogger shall consult the google while he also looks for lassie
[10:38] <apachelogger> oh dear
[10:38] <apachelogger> that is rather silly
[10:39] <apachelogger> lassie first was in a motion picture in 1943
[10:39] <apachelogger> last one was 2005
[10:39] <apachelogger> that is completely unrealistic
[10:39] <apachelogger> *no* dog gets *that* old
[10:39] <valorie> right, a beautiful Collie
[10:39] <valorie> most of whom were actually male
[10:40] <valorie> but who could tell, under all that fur?
[10:40] <valorie> pretty sure there was more than one "Lassie"
[10:40] <apachelogger> must have had a tiny willy or someone would have noticed
[10:41] <apachelogger> http://www.lassie.net/
[10:42] <valorie> I'm sure the trainer etc. knew
[10:42] <valorie> lol
[10:42] <valorie> but it was supposed to be a girl dog, so ....
[10:42] <valorie> what do they care?
[10:42] <valorie> lol
[10:43] <valorie> I used to watch that show every Saturday morning
[10:43] <apachelogger> that page says lassie is immortal
[10:43] <apachelogger> which would explain things
[10:44] <apachelogger> also it would imply that (s)he is an alien
[10:45] <apachelogger> oh
[10:45] <apachelogger> my
[10:45] <apachelogger> bunny
[10:45] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angora_rabbit
[10:45] <valorie> they are so cute!
[10:46] <valorie> I used to show rabbits
[10:46]  * apachelogger falls over, faints, stops breathing and wets himself
[10:46] <valorie> the Angora breeders were always covered with fluff
[10:46]  * valorie hands over the towel and a cool drink of water
[10:46] <apachelogger> this is too much
[10:47]  * apachelogger heads over to the identica
[10:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think that the kay, the dee and the eee should advertise the identi.ca plunder more
[10:50] <Nightrose> apachelogger: we do already ;-)
[10:50] <apachelogger> it does not work
[10:51] <apachelogger> http://identi.ca/
[10:51] <apachelogger> groups with most members
[10:51] <apachelogger> you bun too, linux, gnu/linux, debian, pyth0rn, kde
[10:51] <Nightrose> yea because we kick out spammers every now and then
[10:51] <valorie> every once in awhile I weed in there
[10:51] <apachelogger> still
[10:51] <valorie> gosh, sometimes it is page after page of spammers
[10:52] <apachelogger> why in the name of our savior, the doctor, would pyth0rn have more people in the group than the big blue k
[10:52] <valorie> I think the big groups don't bother
[10:52] <valorie> because it's slow work
[10:52]  * apachelogger usually flags them when he spots one
[10:52] <valorie> they let spammers stay
[10:52] <valorie> I used to also
[10:52] <apachelogger> not sure if that actually makes any difference
[10:52] <valorie> but nobody looks at the flags
[10:52] <apachelogger> cool
[10:52] <valorie> unfortunately no
[10:53] <valorie> it just makes you feel better
[10:53] <apachelogger> well, at least I do not need to look at the spam no more ;)
[10:53] <valorie> right
[10:53] <apachelogger> which is a good outcome for 2 seconds of clicks ;)
[10:53] <valorie> I do block them from me too
[10:53] <valorie> agreed
[10:53] <apachelogger> uhhh
[10:54] <apachelogger> uds tasks on my todo again
[10:54] <apachelogger> slowly they are coming up in the priority chain
[10:54] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[10:54]  * apachelogger will be spamming like identica...
[11:07] <ari-tczew> is it possible to add button 'Up' to dolphin ?
[11:08] <ari-tczew> there is back and forward
[11:08] <ari-tczew> but I prefer to use Up instead Back
[11:08] <valorie> up is good anyway, to get you to the base site
[11:09] <yofel> ari-tczew: right click on the toolbar -> configure toolbars
[11:09] <valorie> niters
[11:09] <yofel> gn valorie
[11:10] <ari-tczew> yofel: thnx
[11:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: IMHO it would be good if we could get our hands on an arm netbook and a tablet
[11:40] <apachelogger> latter in particular since plasma-mobile & tablet are the same code (essentially) and thus we could drive the n900 and a tablet porting effort at the same time without much overhead
[15:52] <maco> apachelogger: one of my friends says he once saw a lady sitting at a spinning wheel with an angora bunny on her lap, petting it and spinning the hair into the yarn
[16:13] <apachelogger> :O
[16:13] <apachelogger> qt is still building
[16:13] <apachelogger> wth
[16:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: from pbuilder build to results i surely is more than 12h
[16:14]  * apachelogger started a build at 1am
[16:14] <apachelogger> maco: I totally see how that could happen... ^^
[17:05] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[17:05] <_Groo_> yofel: ping
[17:06] <_Groo_> ktorrent/libktorrent and amarok are now daily builds :)
[17:06] <_Groo_> my amarok also has coverbling :)
[17:09] <_Groo_> guys how can i fix a branch import?
[17:10] <_Groo_> lp:choqok is broken because choqok is hosted in git now, and the branch is still trying to get it from kde svn
[17:20] <yofel> _Groo_: you don't, you create a new one for git (and delete the old one if you can)
[17:22] <yofel> _Groo_: and ping jelmer in #launchpad so he changes the master links in launchpad
[17:24] <_Groo_> yofel: how do i create a new one? btw, amarok and ktorrent are built daily now :)
[17:24] <yofel> _Groo_: got the git location?
[17:25] <yofel> ah, it's on kde
[17:25] <yofel> I'll do it
[17:26] <_Groo_> yofel: i wanted to do it to learn how its done
[17:27] <_Groo_> yofel: so i can add the ones that ocasionally arent yet on launchpad
[17:28] <_Groo_> yofel: can you just show me basics? i only need to learn it once
[17:29] <yofel> _Groo_: sry, I just finished, but you can try k3b, that needs a new one too https://code.launchpad.net/k3b http://gitweb.kde.org/k3b.git
[17:29] <yofel> on launchpad, click on 'Import a branch'
[17:29] <_Groo_> yofel: k
[17:30] <_Groo_> yofel: now what? https://code.launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/k3b/trunk
[17:31] <yofel> there select the owner (for now yourself) - then the branch nick (for git using 'master' makes most sense) then select git, and put 'git://git.kde.org/k3b' into the location field
[17:31] <yofel> _Groo_: that was the *wrong* location link, it needs the git://... link
[17:32] <yofel> _Groo_: delete the import and do a new one as I said
[17:32] <_Groo_> yofel: just did
[17:32] <_Groo_> yofel: sorry, i didnt read the paste :) its ok now
[17:33] <_Groo_> yofel: its importing now
[17:33] <yofel> hm, I guess for an import using anongit is fine, but I really advise to use 'master' as branch nick for git imports, in git the 'trunk' branch is named master
[17:34] <yofel> but leave it for now, not important
[17:34] <_Groo_> yofel: ok
[17:35] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah i used anon since imports are read only
[17:35] <_Groo_> did you changed choqok? whats the link?
[17:36] <yofel> _Groo_: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/choqok/master
[17:37] <_Groo_> yofel: k tks, gonna create a recipe for it too
[17:38] <_Groo_> yofel: want me to do k3b recipes too?
[17:38] <yofel> I don't use it much, but feel free to do them :P
[17:39] <_Groo_> yofel: k
[17:42] <_Groo_> yofel: if you want i can start helping with neon
[17:48] <arpan> hi
[17:49] <arpan> natty updates seem to be broken... 
[17:50] <arpan> anyone else did face any update issues?
[17:53] <apachelogger> _Groo_: did you fix kipi yet?
[17:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: what you mean by fixed kipi?
[17:56] <_Groo_> apachelogger: if i did new packages in my system? yes i did, digikam is  working fine now...
[17:57] <apachelogger> how does that help ulysses' system?
[17:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: want me to upload them to ninja?
[17:57] <apachelogger> no
[17:57] <apachelogger> to natty
[17:57] <apachelogger> and ninjas
[17:57] <_Groo_> i gonna upload to ninjas, and you merge into natty?
[17:57] <apachelogger> and everywhere where we have kde 4.6 builds
[17:57] <apachelogger> _Groo_: one merges from new to old not from old to new
[17:58] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok i remake the question, how do i send it to natty?
[17:58] <apachelogger> you report a bug
[17:58] <apachelogger> attach a debdiff
[17:58] <apachelogger> find a sponsor
[17:58] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
[17:58] <_Groo_> explain the debdiff part
[18:00] <yofel> !debdiff
[18:00] <_Groo_> k, gonna read that and ill get back to you today apachelogger or yofel
[18:01] <arpan> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/JnvHEaR9
[18:03] <_Groo_> apachelogger: cant built choqok daily, package is still broken upstream kdelibs5-dev: Breaks: libkwebkit-dev (< 0.9svn1123738) but 0.9~svn1127626-0ubuntu2 is to be installed.
[18:03] <_Groo_> brb
[18:04] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:04] <apachelogger> jt probably only fixed it in nattyyyyy
[18:04] <yofel> _Groo_: maverick or natty?
[18:04] <apachelogger> _Groo_: !sru
[18:04] <apachelogger> !sru
[18:04] <apachelogger> !sru | _Groo_
[18:04] <apachelogger> ah
[18:04]  * apachelogger has learned something 
[18:04] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:05] <yofel> _Groo_: kubuntu updates ppa is fixed, but I don't think anyone did a maverick archive SRU
[18:05] <arpan> Riddell: full-upgrade on natty suggests to remove most of the kde.. looks like dependency issues. please have a look. http://pastebin.com/JnvHEaR9
[18:06] <yofel> arpan: let me try here
[18:06] <arpan> yofel: ok.. atb!!
[18:07] <ulysses> arpan: use apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:07] <arpan> ulysses: k i'll try right now
[18:08] <yofel> hm, I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/542371/
[18:08] <yofel> didn't jonathan upload a polkit-kde rebuild?
[18:08] <ulysses> there was some polkit update today
[18:10] <yofel> let me try the main server
[18:11] <arpan> ulysses: dist-upgrade gives me http://pastebin.com/i8CEE2un
[18:11] <ulysses> huh
[18:12] <yofel> arpan: run apt-get install -f 
[18:12] <arpan> and apt-get -f install  gives me http://pastebin.com/1vBrttSc
[18:12] <yofel> ok, main server has new polkit-kde
[18:12] <yofel> arpan: looks about right
[18:12] <ulysses> arpan: it wants to remove two packages, seems ok
[18:12] <yofel> (I had those too)
[18:13] <Riddell> arpan: looks like polkit updates have arrived
[18:13] <arpan> yofel: ulysses, going to proceed with install -f option
[18:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ^^
[18:13] <ulysses> I updated already today, but there was nothing like this, using the main mirror
[18:14] <arpan> Riddell: thanks! I'll update the list and try it again.
[18:15] <JontheEchidna> remove libpolkit-qt-1-0
[18:16]  * yofel goes rebuilding kmess for maverick beta ppa (libkonq5a transition)
[18:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we have kde on armel on natty again?
[18:19] <apachelogger> when I tried upgrading mobile it went pretty much six feet under
[18:19]  * apachelogger wonders why we are compiling Qt examples
[18:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: I believe most of KDE is compiled on arm now
[18:23] <apachelogger> ok
[18:23] <apachelogger> trying to get kwin-gles then
[18:23] <apachelogger> mgraesslin wants it in 11.04 ;)
[18:23]  * apachelogger too
[18:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im confused
[18:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: digikam works fine in natty since its using libkipi8 now
[18:24] <arpan> yofel: ulysses, apt-get -f install worked.. had to do safe-upgrade afterwords to update some remaining packages though.
[18:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its only maverich + kde 4.6 ppa that brakes, cause the system is using libkipi7 still
[18:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so the idea would be to add kipi-plugins rebuilt wirh kde 4.6 to kubuntu ppa
[18:25] <yofel> _Groo_: ok, then rebuild in digikam in beta ppa
[18:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: it would remove old kipi and install the new one, digikam needs to be rbuilt in same ppa too
[18:25] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/kipi-plugins
[18:25] <yofel> arpan: right, install -f will only fix broken depends, not install updates
[18:25] <apachelogger> says libkipi7 here
[18:25] <apachelogger> or there
[18:25]  * apachelogger aint got no natty 
[18:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahh cause its using digkam 1.5.0 right?
[18:26] <_Groo_> latest its 1.6 which has the fix upstream
[18:26] <apachelogger> it does have nothing to do with digikam?
[18:26] <apachelogger> there was no fix in digikam
[18:26] <apachelogger> there was no issue in digikam
[18:26] <apachelogger> ...
[18:26] <_Groo_> no, its libkipi + the kde kipi lib
[18:26] <_Groo_> actually is a combination of digikam + libkipi + kipi plugins
[18:26] <_Groo_> all 3 nees to be rebuilt or it will crash digikam
[18:26] <_Groo_> needs*
[18:27] <arpan> yofel: thanks!! i didn't know that.. but now i do :)
[18:27] <apachelogger> why?
[18:27] <_Groo_> and it needs to be 1.6 not 1.5
[18:27] <apachelogger> why?
[18:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: yeah confirmed, needs to be libkipi8 + digikam 1.6 + kde 4.6 beta 1 or above
[18:27] <apachelogger> why?
[18:27] <_Groo_> cause the fixes where sent upstream but didnt make it in 4.54
[18:28] <apachelogger> wha?
[18:28] <_Groo_> ok, the thing is
[18:28] <_Groo_> digikam uses a stupid function call for libkipi, you can see it in my debug info in the bug report
[18:28] <yofel> ok, kde 4.5.85 provides libkipi8, which is the actual issue here I think
[18:28] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah like i said
[18:28] <_Groo_> needs to be kde 4.6 with libkipi8 and digikam 1.6
[18:29] <_Groo_> and kipi-plugins needs to be rebuilt or it will be linked to libkipi7
[18:29] <yofel> _Groo_: then file a merge request for digkam in debian experimental, they have 1.6
[18:29] <_Groo_> fortunatelly it doesnt break other packages that relly on kipi
[18:29] <_Groo_> yofel: arrrrgh how i do that?
[18:29] <_Groo_> this looks like the vatican, layers below layers XD
[18:30] <apachelogger> _Groo_: a) libkipi is part of KDE
[18:30] <apachelogger> b) what does it have to do with digikam
[18:30] <_Groo_> apachelogger: exactly, the fix is upstream in 4.6 but didnt make it to 4.5 yet
[18:30] <arpan> Riddell: in natty i do not see Documents, Downloads, Music etc. folders under my home, is it default for natty or a bug?
[18:30] <apachelogger> a) libkipi is part of KDE b) what does it have to do with digikam?
[18:31] <_Groo_> digikam calls kipi-plugins which calls libkipi, if you use libkipi7, do to a bug it crash digikam when calling settigs
[18:31] <apachelogger> c) why should digikam neeed to be 1.6 then?
[18:31] <_Groo_> since digikam is linked to kipi and libkipi, for the patch to work, you need to compile kipi plugins + digikam with kde 4.6 libkipi8
[18:31] <apachelogger> that does not make sense
[18:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: because there was another bug, not related that ALSO crashed digikam in 1.5 when calling settings in 64 bits systems :D
[18:32] <apachelogger> the whole point of shared objects is that you do not need to relink everything everytime
[18:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im playing safe here
[18:32] <apachelogger> _Groo_: that is a different issue then
[18:33] <_Groo_> libkipi8 is not abi compatible with 7.. thats why you need to rebuild it.. thats why digikam is crashing in maverick with normal packages, if you upgrade it to kde 4.6 beta 2
[18:33] <apachelogger> that still does not varant 
[18:33] <apachelogger> upgrading to 1.6
[18:33] <_Groo_> if you upgrade maverick to our ppa, and leave maverick digikam as is, it wont even load.. it will crash
[18:33] <apachelogger> ah
[18:33]  * apachelogger is using interesting words today ^^
[18:34] <yofel> still doesn't warrant 1.6, only a rebuild
[18:34] <apachelogger> _Groo_: you still do not need 1.6 to fix that
[18:34] <apachelogger> also 
[18:34] <apachelogger> that is wrong
[18:34] <apachelogger> libkipi7 will remain installed
[18:34] <apachelogger> thus digikam will not crash because of libkipi8
[18:34] <apachelogger> which is the whole point of shared objects and having them packaged in a package with a number as suffix
[18:34] <apachelogger> ...
[18:34] <apachelogger> it all comes together eventually
[18:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i always play safe.. least complaints = kde 4.6 + digikam 1.6 + libkipi8
[18:35] <apachelogger> introducing new versions != playing safe
[18:35] <_Groo_> apachelogger: all clean and tight
[18:35] <apachelogger> atomic updates == playing safe
[18:35] <apachelogger> what you are doing is squash a fly with an elephant and that elephant will most likely still be buzzing around
[18:35] <_Groo_> 1.6 is very stable and has been out for a while now
[18:35] <apachelogger> *for you* it is stable
[18:36] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:36] <_Groo_> i think we should use the open window of alpha to upgrade digikam acordingly
[18:36] <apachelogger> digikam is not going to 1.6 period
[18:36] <apachelogger> doesnt belong in beta ppa anyway
[18:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im not arguing with you, yuu guys know what you are doing, but just a question? why not?
 introducing new versions != playing safe
 atomic updates == playing safe
[18:37] <_Groo_> why not to upgrade while we are in alpha?
[18:37] <_Groo_> no no, not for maverick, for natty
[18:37] <_Groo_> upgrade natty to 1.6 before the merge window closes
[18:37] <apachelogger> oh yes
[18:37] <apachelogger> that can go up
[18:38] <apachelogger> also it probably needs merging with debian
[18:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: thats what i was talking about :)
[18:38] <apachelogger> while you are at it
[18:38] <apachelogger> ...
[18:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, im gonna regret this... how do i do this merge?
[18:38] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i also need to upgrade the wally package to latest version
[18:38] <apachelogger> you look what debian has, diff what we have against their stuff and see if htere is stuff we maybe want to have in our packaging
[18:39] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i was the original uploader in maverick
[18:39] <apachelogger> wally?
[18:39] <_Groo_> wally package, wallpaper changer for plasma with standalone app
[18:39] <_Groo_> !package wally
[18:39] <_Groo_> stupid bot
[18:39] <apachelogger> oh
[18:39]  * apachelogger reports bug
[18:40] <_Groo_> the bot doesnt know about multiverse packages?
[18:41] <apachelogger> Filename: pool/universe/w/wally/wally_2.3.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[18:41] <apachelogger> it is not in multiverse
[18:41] <apachelogger> !info wally
[18:41] <_Groo_> or universe :P
[18:42] <_Groo_> i already packages 2.4.0 which is the latest, but i was lazy to send it upstream :D
[18:42] <_Groo_> now seems a good time to do it
[18:43] <_Groo_> anyway i need to go get my daughter, ill be back in a few hours
[18:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: well talk later about upgrading digikam and wally ok?
[18:47] <apachelogger> _Groo_: bug 689011
[18:49] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol, why description is useless?
[18:50] <apachelogger> see report
[18:50] <ulysses> who reads description?
[18:52]  * apachelogger does
[18:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, ill change it
[18:52] <_Groo_> apachelogger: and i just copied the description the original coder did of the package
[18:52] <_Groo_> for* the package
[18:54] <_Groo_> k im gonna upgrade wlly to 2.4.x, change the description and send to my ppa
[18:54] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you can then check if its all ok and ill send it to you upstream
[18:54] <_Groo_> before going up and down trying to do it right
[18:54] <apachelogger> !sponsoring | _Groo_
[18:54] <apachelogger> !sponsorship | _Groo_
[18:54] <apachelogger> really a stupid bot
[18:54] <_Groo_> lol
[18:55] <_Groo_> maybe just sponsor?
[18:55] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
[18:55] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[18:55] <apachelogger> oh there is even an own process page
[18:55] <apachelogger> the amount of politics documentation keeps suprising me
[18:56] <_Groo_> do you guys won a cookie for every document you make me read? ¬¬
[18:56]  * _Groo_ could been playing allods :P
[18:56] <apachelogger> like you are really reading them
[18:56] <apachelogger> that is like shadeslayer is really reading the make manual right now
[18:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you reading the make manual?
[18:57] <_Groo_> apachelogger: unfortunatelly i do :P it confuses me even more, but i read them :P
[18:57] <_Groo_> this docs look like dependency hell!
[18:57] <_Groo_> you need to read this... and for this part read this and this.. oh and this..
[18:58] <_Groo_> then i go to the first this... which points me to more this arrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh
[18:58]  * _Groo_ bangs head
[18:58] <apachelogger> at some point you will have read the whole wiki and we can stop giving you links to the ubuntu wiki
[18:58] <apachelogger> we will then continue with the debian policy directly which is a much more worthwhile read anyway
[18:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you must have skipped this part, lol XD When you're piloting, put some concentrated effort into helping people have a good and satisfying experience contributing to Ubuntu. Just how you do that is up to you. 
[18:59] <_Groo_> ehehehe
[18:59] <_Groo_> if i ever participate in a kubuntu reunion and someone asks me how it is to contribute, i might not be able to drop into tears
[18:59] <_Groo_> avoid to drop into tears
[19:00] <_Groo_> and babble something about apachelogger being mean to me
[19:00]  * apachelogger notes that canonical management has the obscure idea that shoving time up people's arse will make them longterm contributors
[19:01] <apachelogger> while that is a very adorable thing to think reality looks different
[19:01] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lol whats shoving time? spending time with minions you mean?
[19:01] <apachelogger> _Groo_: that is my thing
[19:01] <apachelogger> <-- the evil master that people come to hater while being minion
[19:02] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i contribute cause i like to see my name in tiny little fonts in the thank you you stupid minions link
[19:02] <apachelogger> see, no shoving thigs involved there
[19:02] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so my wife and kids can be proud of me ^^
[19:02] <maco> apachelogger's two favourite things:  shnuggles & minions ?
[19:03]  * apachelogger wonders whether he should dare upgrading kubuntu mobile to natty
[19:03] <apachelogger> then my whole Qt build that is currently finishing up was for nothing :S
[19:04] <apachelogger> maco: I like other things better than snuggles... :P
[19:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: cookies?
[19:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: raping bots
[19:04] <apachelogger> _Groo_: think of the grand children...
[19:04] <_Groo_> apachelogger: being mean to poor groo?
[19:04] <apachelogger> one day, on a hot summer evening, you can tell them of the time you went to see the masters of the universe
[19:05]  * _Groo_ thinks that this is how is like an unoficial minion, he shivers to think of a motu irc sabatine
[19:05] <maco> i have a shirt from when i went to see the Masters of the Universe
[19:05] <apachelogger> and they harassed and what not, but in the end you became more internet famous than john cleese and got arrasted for leaking information
[19:05] <maco> i wonder if they're still together...
[19:05] <_Groo_> whos john cleese?
[19:05] <apachelogger> :O
[19:05] <apachelogger> wow
[19:06] <apachelogger> there
[19:06] <apachelogger> you scared me
[19:06] <_Groo_> ahhh monty python
[19:06]  * apachelogger dd's his mobile image
[19:06] <_Groo_> im very bad with names, i never forget a face but never remember a name
[19:06] <_Groo_> im very popular in parties :P
[19:07] <_Groo_> hey groo how are you? hum hu.. fine ppl i recognize but i dont remember the name,.. and hu.. you, fine?
[19:07] <_Groo_> i tried mnemonics, eletric shocks (bad idea), hard drugs (kinda ok), nothing worked
[19:08]  * apachelogger doesnt remember faces or names, only bums
[19:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: lo, you dont want to remember MY bum :D
[19:09] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:10] <maco> _Groo_: or maybe you dont want him to remember your bum?
[19:10] <_Groo_> maco: thats what i said
[19:11] <maco> no its not
[19:11] <_Groo_> yofel: can you take a look at this build log? this is a launchpad bug right? very strange... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60490916/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.choqok_1.0-0~29176~2padoka~maverick1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:11] <maco> you said apachelogger wouldnt want to remember your bum. i said maybe YOU dont want apachelogger to remember your bum
[19:11] <yofel> sure
[19:11] <_Groo_> maco: huuu oO lets not talk about my bum anymore :)
[19:12] <_Groo_> someone someday will eventually probably read this logs
[19:12] <_Groo_> and put on wikileaks
[19:12] <_Groo_> might be embarassing 
[19:12] <maco> hmmm i think Masters of the Universe (the band) is gone :(
[19:12] <_Groo_> i might be awarded a nobel by then
[19:12] <yofel> _Groo_: can you get me your packaging?
[19:13] <_Groo_> yofel: what do you mean?
[19:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've asked Genesi for a netbook.  Not sure if they'll have anymore to give out.  Not sure about where to get the tablet.
[19:14] <ScottK> apachelogger: If the ice creaming isn't working, over 12 hours isn't suprising.
[19:14] <yofel> _Groo_: where's the source you built from?
[19:14] <ScottK> Also there was a koffice build going on yesterday too, IIRC, so that may have slowed things up.
[19:15] <_Groo_> yofel: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~paulo-miguel-dias/+recipe/choqok-ubuntu
[19:15] <yofel> (can't get to that from just the build log)
[19:15] <_Groo_> yofel: ah sorry :)
[19:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: works for me
[19:15] <yofel> _Groo_: thanks
[19:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: jr just did not run the hooks as I told him
[19:15] <ScottK> Maybe it was the koffice build then (I don't think it was ice creamed).
[19:15] <_Groo_> yofel: it was building fine, i just took one dep out of control and commited/pushed it
[19:16] <_Groo_> i never seen this error before
[19:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: oh btw, question
[19:17]  * apachelogger needs to work on the gst-codec-install stuff
[19:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, do you plan on implementing some magic for that in muon?
[19:17] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i discovered that new kmail akonadi has a strigi feeder
[19:18] <yofel> _Groo_: please read your recipe again, in  *detail*
[19:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but the strigi feeder needs strigidaemon, it doesnt use strigi from nepomuk
[19:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: should we change the package to add strigidaemon dep?
[19:18] <_Groo_> yofel: k
[19:19] <apachelogger> a strigi feeder?
[19:19] <apachelogger> :O
[19:19] <apachelogger> what point that would have I wonder
[19:19] <apachelogger> _Groo_: ask in #akonadi
[19:19] <_Groo_> yofel: ops, lol!!! im getting from amarok XD
[19:19]  * _Groo_ <--stupid minion
[19:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: are you running beta 2 with new libpim? fire akonadi console and see the strigi feed, it will ask for strigidamon
[19:20] <_Groo_> aparently from what i read, pim devs didnt had time to use the new virtuoso+nepomuk backend
[19:21] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[19:21] <apachelogger> there is a nepomuk feeder by default
[19:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: see http://imagebin.ca/view/AJS8azx.html'
[19:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: that particular agent uses strigidaemon
[19:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but the package doesnt have that dep.. so when you activate it, it keeps popping errors till you take it out or install strigidaemon
[19:27] <_Groo_> apachelogger: my question, do we add the dep or leave it?
[19:27] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[19:27] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[19:27] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[19:27] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[19:27] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[19:27] <apachelogger> _Groo_: ^^^^
[19:27] <apachelogger> _Groo_: #akonadi
[19:27] <apachelogger> also
[19:28] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[19:28] <_Groo_> ¬¬
[19:28] <ulysses> ¬.¬
[19:28] <apachelogger> dont see you there yet
[19:29] <_Groo_> im a slow typer
[19:30] <maco> you cant just click the channel name?
[19:30] <maco> why arent you using quassel?
[19:32] <_Groo_> i could, im a lazy mouse user too
[19:32] <_Groo_> im a lazy couch potato athlet
[19:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ignored as usual.. i denote a pattern in behaviour whenever i enter a irc room :P
[19:32] <apachelogger> compiling Qt examples and demos takes forever and even longer
[19:33] <apachelogger> _Groo_: dude
[19:33] <apachelogger> you entered the channel 3 minutes ago
[19:33] <apachelogger> ...
[19:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its normal the little monkeys need to type every single word :D
[19:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i was joking XD
[19:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: you know the little monkeys inside your computer that makes everything work?
[19:34] <maco> i thought computers were powered by magic blue smoke
[19:34] <maco> and thats why when the magic blue smoke gets out, they stop working
[19:34] <apachelogger> pink smoke
[19:34] <apachelogger> otherwise correct
[19:34] <_Groo_> maco: nope, monkeys, little ones
[19:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: pink smoke if for amd... i use intel for now
[19:34] <apachelogger> intel is purple
[19:34] <_Groo_> apachelogger: nvidia uses green catterpillars
[19:34] <yofel> _Groo_: what monkeys, you first telegraph the message to you next pidgin carrier service, they send it to a email conversion service, they to your secretary which prints the message out and types it into IRC, that takes a while
[19:35] <apachelogger> nvidia does not
[19:35] <_Groo_> yofel: i learned from work that 220 volts can speed up ppl quitte a lot
[19:36] <yofel> heh
[19:36] <_Groo_> yofel: its a very good morale booster
[19:36] <_Groo_> yofel: it always make me laugh... dont know about the eletrocuted one... he seems fine.. doesnt complain after a few seconds
[19:37] <_Groo_> phone become so quiet after i wired the high tension network to the phone lines...
[19:38] <_Groo_> which proofs that electricity is the mother of all problem solving
[19:39] <_Groo_> yofel: why the package couldnt be uploaded? choqok recipe
[19:39] <yofel> huh?
[19:39] <yofel> oh...
[19:40] <_Groo_> yofel: need to remove it first from the ppa?
[19:40] <yofel> wait
[19:40]  * _Groo_ is sad... the walking dead season ended  :(
[19:41] <ulysses> and two weeks until Doctor Who Christmas Special:(
[19:41] <_Groo_> ulysses: ill have  ti play l4d2 over and over.. works fine in wine too
[19:41] <_Groo_> ulysses: also allods new patch should be out real soon :)
[19:43] <_Groo_> ulysses: i can swear ive seen apachelogger in the 2nd episode of twd .. he was the third walker from the left that was ripping the horse guts
[19:44] <_Groo_> yofel: so do i need to remove the failed build from the ppa and try again?
[19:44] <yofel> _Groo_: yes since no branch changed you uploaded the package with the same version, but you'll have to wait a day for the janitor to run then, maybe add some changelog entry so the packaging branch get's another rev
[19:44] <_Groo_> yofel: k, gonna try, sec
[19:44] <apachelogger> twd?
[19:44] <yofel> then you can just supersede the build right now
[19:44] <apachelogger> oh
[19:44] <apachelogger> whatever
[19:45] <_Groo_> apachelogger: The Walking Dead
[19:46] <_Groo_> yofel: doing
[19:47] <yofel> the walking dead reminds me of dawn of the dead.. (from the name)
[19:47] <yofel> shaun of the dead was funny though
[19:47] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah, its inspired from the same comic, 
[19:47]  * _Groo_ likes to mess around with apachelogger ;)
[19:47] <_Groo_> which reminds me when i used to code for a living.. 
[19:48] <_Groo_> and one point it time i commited to svn using haiku poems as description
[19:48] <_Groo_> my project manager loved me so much
[19:49] <_Groo_> if this for
[19:49] <_Groo_> works as expected
[19:49] <_Groo_> code will work
[19:49] <_Groo_> :D
[19:49] <_Groo_> and so on and so on
[19:49] <_Groo_> maybe kubuntu could adopt this policy
[19:50] <_Groo_> it sure would be the most poetic changelogs of all projects
[19:50] <_Groo_> http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Haiku-Poem
[19:51] <claydoh_> http://haiku-os.org :)
[19:51] <CIA-24> [phonon-backends] sitter * 1205615 * trunk/ (37 files in 6 dirs) remove VLC backend - moved to gitorious
[19:53] <_Groo_> claydoh: that too :)
[19:57]  * claydoh hugs his badly scratched BeOS install cd :(
[19:58] <apachelogger> lol
[20:05] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: akonadi master has sqlite support for mobile \o/
[20:07] <apachelogger> also
[20:07] <apachelogger> instead of nepomuk there is going to be a strigi feeder
[20:08] <apachelogger> so we can eliminate nepomuk on mobile
[20:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: wheres my cookie? D:
[20:09] <_Groo_> groo asks questions
[20:09] <_Groo_> is pushed around
[20:09] <_Groo_> apachelogger is happy!
[20:09] <_Groo_> last haiku of the afternoon, ill be back later
[20:10] <_Groo_> seeya all later guys
[20:11] <yofel> _Groo_: fetch some from the topic :P
[20:20]  * claydoh worries his laptop won't be able to run kdepim due to ist heavy resource useage (if the current 4.6 is any indication)
[20:21]  * claydoh cannot use this as a reason in convincing his wife that newer hardware would be prudent
[20:22] <apachelogger> you could use sqlite ;)
[20:22]  * claydoh would rather get newer hardware :)
[20:23] <apachelogger> just saying ;)
[20:23] <claydoh> I should try, kdepim4.6 is not bad really
[20:26] <claydoh> is it even possible?
[20:28] <yofel> still, how do you close kmail 4.6? If I close it it continues to run in the background, have to kill it to stop it
[20:30] <claydoh> dunno, I only used it for 1 day, with that day I was mostly @ work
[20:31] <claydoh> the imap resource/maildir resource whatever seem to still run
[20:31] <claydoh> but ram/cpu useage is quite high for a pentuim -m 2gz/1gb ram system
[20:32] <claydoh> in my case at least
[20:34] <allee-k__> uhhh: kaddressbook 4.4.8 in 10.10 is broken: I see a list of <cryptic>.vcf file names instead of "first lastname" in middle column http://imagebin.ca/view/M2P6Fw.html
[20:34] <yofel> right, here some akonadi process continues to run too using quite some resources :/
[20:34] <apachelogger> claydoh: we probably do not have it yet
[20:34] <apachelogger> need too upgrade to natty soonish and take a look at it
[20:34] <apachelogger> yofel: I think that is intended
[21:05]  * apachelogger starts singing xmas carols with Nightrose
[21:30] <apachelogger> The upgrade has completed but there were errors during the upgrade 
[21:30] <apachelogger> process.
[21:30] <apachelogger> splendid
[21:38] <apachelogger> E: pycompile:240: Requested versions are not installed
[21:38] <apachelogger> python oh python
[21:38] <apachelogger> will you ever stop being such a load of fail
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: all of the gstreamer plugins seem to have a Gstreamer-De/Encoders fields. If I can get APT to get this field, I'll have the mimetypes each package can take
[21:54] <apachelogger> splendid
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what would a plugin searcher need out of qapt?
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> e.g. what would it pass on for me to search for, exactly?
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> It will probably pass along the mimetype, at the least.
[22:12] <apachelogger> well
[22:13] <apachelogger> gstreamer calls an exectuable gst-codec-install which gets gstreamer's version, the desired mimetype (as identified by gst) and the requesting application
[22:13] <apachelogger> out the top of my head
[22:13] <apachelogger> maybe I forgot something
[22:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gstreamer|0.10|totem|DivX MPEG-4 Version 5 decoder|decoder-video/x-divx, divxversion=(int)5
[22:14] <apachelogger> that is what the installer would be called with
[22:19] <CIA-24> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1205636 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp (log message trimmed)
[22:19] <CIA-24> Turns out QString::toLatin1() does *not* return a QLatin1String, but rather a
[22:19] <CIA-24> bytearray. It still compiled because there's a QString::QString(QByteArray)
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> ^that caused an infinite loop, since Backend::package(QString) was calling Backend::Package(QString) due to the QByteArray-taking QString constructor :P
[22:22] <apachelogger> ^^
[22:26] <JontheEchidna> it also lead me to wonder why backend::search wasn't using the Backend::package(QLatin1String) overload in the first place
[22:26] <CIA-24> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1205637 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp (log message trimmed)
[22:26] <CIA-24> Small optimization: Use the new Backend::package(QL1S) overload inside
[22:26] <CIA-24> Backend::search(). the QL1S overload is faster in the first place, plus since
[22:27] <tsimpson> I don't think anything returns a QLatin1String in Qt, it's mostly a wrapper so you don't need to create a full blown QString from a const char*
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> the function name was just a bit deceptive ;-)
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> though to the troll's credit, that bit of API probably predates QL1S
[22:31] <apachelogger> apachelogger->yawn();
[22:32] <apachelogger> 201 mib of qt love
[22:32] <apachelogger> why is it that big anyway?
[22:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: did you see the problems arpan was having due to polkit?
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> For Backend::search(), xapian already returns results as an std::string. iirc std::string::c_str() is just grabbing data off of a pointer, so exchanging QString(std::string) for QL1S(std::string.c_str()) is an obvious gain
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: yeah, I said to try removing libpolkit-qt-1-0
[22:33] <JontheEchidna> since we are now at libpolkit-qt-1-1
[22:33]  * apachelogger tries a local crosscompile with qemu
[22:34] <JontheEchidna> never heard back from him whether or not it worked though
[22:34] <apachelogger> that means it worked
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> They (polkit-qt-1) snuck a .so bump past so I accidentally uploaded a version that had so.1 libs in the -0 package, which complicates things :(
[22:35] <JontheEchidna> this is why I am a strong advocate of not using wildcards in library.install files
[22:35] <apachelogger> nah
[22:35] <apachelogger> dh should be smart enough to notice that and fail by default
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> hmm, well this is a mostly useless backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/542474/
[22:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, about the install-time-config-decascading ... it ought to be supremely easy since we just need to copy the lowest priority kconfig object and then just iter over all entries in a higher value config writing to the new config
[22:37] <JontheEchidna> now I'll have to see if I can reproduce it in gdb :/
[22:38] <apachelogger> similarly for data files (just copy lowes priority and then overwrite with all stuff that appears in higher priority directories)
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> gah, I can't reproduce :(
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> Now I have a crash lurking around that I don't have good info on, haunting me :(
[22:38] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: one would suppose that the qapt dev has proper dbg symbols for qapt :P
[22:39] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I would have, but I have been recently doing profiling with -O3 code
[22:39] <apachelogger> that is what you get for being obsessed with performance :P
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I suppose I could blame it on gcc's O3 optimizations....
[22:40] <apachelogger> when in doubt: blame gcc
[22:40] <apachelogger> when still in doubt: blame launchpad
[22:40] <apachelogger> that one always works
[22:40] <JontheEchidna> yus!
[22:40] <apachelogger> CMake Error at applets/CMakeLists.txt:1 (add_subdirectory):
[22:40] <apachelogger>   add_subdirectory given source "addons" which is not an existing directory.
[22:41] <apachelogger> I wonder how that happened
[22:41] <JontheEchidna> heinsenbug; it will not show up in gdb
[22:41] <apachelogger> magic
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> Dr. Konqi to the rescue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/542477/
[22:44] <apachelogger> "this weekend time, is party time"
[22:44] <apachelogger> <3 austrian radio
[22:44] <apachelogger> the dude actually said it in english
[22:44] <apachelogger> 5 seconds later he said it in german
[22:44] <apachelogger> just to be sure
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> pkgDepCache::StateCache &eState = (*d->depCache)[it.TargetPkg()]; <- I guess it is saying that that package is not in the depcache? :s
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> le sigh
[22:45] <apachelogger> <3 aptpkg code
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> aha, it's crashing when trying to get the state of a purely virtual package (openoffice.org2-l10n-nl to be exact)
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> now I have to find a way to get the candidate version out of a pkgCache::DepIterator :s
[22:50]  * apachelogger thinks that aptpkg should be fixed to not crash there?
[22:50] <apachelogger> seems a bit silly to work around it at higher level
[22:50] <apachelogger> though probably easier to do ^^
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> it's basically the same crash as trying to access an out-of-range index
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> purely virtual packages are not in the depcache by virtue of nothing depending on them. (regular virtual packages that other packages can provide are different and in the depcache)
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> basically they're just a bunch of crufty dpkg entries for packages that no longer exist lying around in the in the dpkg-status file
[22:55] <apachelogger> -.-
[22:56] <dantti> is it possible to send money to a person in paypal?
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> ^not if you are jullian assange :P
[22:56] <dantti> what?
[22:56] <apachelogger> lol
[22:56] <JontheEchidna> oh, the Wikileaks guy
[22:57] <dantti> ah yes :P lol
[22:57] <apachelogger> poor julian
[22:57] <dantti> any US citzen willing to buy 2 amazon mp3 abums? :D
[22:58] <dantti> I don't get why I can't, if I was about to get the CD, but I just want the mp3!
[23:04] <CIA-24> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1205641 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Check to see if the VerIterator we get from the state cache is valid or not. If it's a purely virtual package it will not be in the depCache, and will crash us when we try to access it
[23:09] <ximion> hi!
[23:09] <ximion> could someone please do a no-change rebuild of the kpackagekit package?
[23:09] <ximion> This is required to pick up an API change in PackageKit
[23:10] <ximion> (currently the package is not installable)
[23:10] <dantti> ximion: which API change is that?
[23:13] <ximion> dantti: No API change, I just got confused with another talk on a different channel there :P
[23:13] <ximion> I mean package name change
[23:13] <dantti> ah right :P
[23:14] <ximion> to fix a Debian policy issue I had to rename libpackagekit-qt-14 to libpackagekit-qt14
[23:14] <dantti> ximion: btw kpk is not in git, and got a speed up yesterday :)
[23:14] <ximion> when kpk is rebuilt, it will automagically pick up the new package name
[23:14] <dantti> s/not/now :P
[23:15] <ximion> dantti: Ok :) As I said: I'll wait with the packaging until the name of KPK has changed.
[23:15] <dantti> sure, next week I think I'll release the last kpk version (or maybe this week :P )
[23:19] <ximion> dantti: Great! Hope we will get the PackageKit generic packaging project soon...
[23:20] <ximion> Then I can make the changes in my private Git branch public :P
[23:20] <dantti> nice :)
[23:31] <ScottK> kdeutils FTBFS fixed.
[23:36] <dantti> does someone knows if I can buy music on itunes without the software?
[23:38] <apachelogger> you cannot
[23:38] <apachelogger> well, possibly there is some cheatware around
[23:38] <dantti> oh :(
[23:38] <dantti> i tried to run wine but no lucky, and amazon don't want my money :P
[23:39]  * dantti gives up on buying mp3
[23:39] <apachelogger> oh my dbus doesnt want to postinst
[23:40] <apachelogger> my mobile upgrade was a bad idea
[23:40] <apachelogger> dantti: dont you have local online music stores?
[23:40] <dantti> apachelogger: not for abroad bands afaik
[23:41] <dantti> well not for "unpopular" music
[23:41] <dantti> and I can't find torrents :/
[23:42] <apachelogger> do not listen to unpopular music then :P
[23:45] <dantti> well, I'm missing 2 albuns :P I'm a bit tired of listening old music...
[23:45] <apachelogger> oh oh
[23:46] <apachelogger> eh
[23:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: ping
[23:47] <dantti> hehe I have newer albuns than local stores :P
[23:48] <apachelogger> you are ahead of time it seems ^^
[23:48] <dantti> yup :P
[23:49]  * apachelogger beings to think that maybe he should not have run lzma -9 on arm on a tar that contains all qt binaries
[23:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: unping
[23:50]  * apachelogger is a very lucky man as workspace for armel only finished an hour ago ^^
[23:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: what is install-time-config-decascading?
[23:57] <Riddell> oh yes, I remembe rnow
[23:57] <Riddell> well supremely easy sounds good
[23:58] <apachelogger> yeah, I just need to find time to do it ^^
[23:58] <apachelogger> or a coding minion
[23:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer!