[10:49] <sense> good morning
[10:52] <nigelb> Morning sense, czajkowski :)
[10:52] <sense> hi nigelb!
[10:52] <nigelb> Hope everyone's having a good Saturday :)
[10:52] <nigelb> sense: Its been long, school taking a chunk of your time? :)
[10:53] <sense> nigelb: Yeah, I've been quite busy lately.
[10:53] <nigelb> :)
[13:05] <duanedesign> hello all
[13:05] <nigelb> Morning duanedesign
[13:07] <duanedesign> i think i am going to do a blog post similar to http://www.granneman.com/techinfo/linux/contributewithoutcoding.htm
[13:07] <duanedesign> update that list and make it more Ubuntu specific
[13:08] <nigelb> duanedesign: Better still, try to coordinate a bit of a meme on planet with that
[13:08] <nigelb> A lot of the BT can do it
[13:08] <nigelb> I mean most of us don't really code all the time for Ubuntu
[13:08] <nigelb> (though we can code, but that's now our primary contribution to Ubuntu)
[13:09] <duanedesign> ohhh a meme might be perfect.
[13:10] <nigelb> :)
[13:10] <nigelb> Laters :)
[13:11]  * nisshh *really* needs to clean out his downloads folderr
[13:12] <duanedesign> nigelb: ugh, me too
[13:12] <duanedesign> oops
[13:12] <duanedesign> nisshh: me too
[13:12] <nisshh> heh
[13:12] <nisshh> duanedesign, i have about a million things in it :)
[13:13] <duanedesign> yeah mine has gotten ridiculous :)
[14:14] <nigelb> oh dear, that reminds me
[14:14] <nigelb> I dont have space anymore thanks to downloads folder
[14:14] <nigelb> Need to move it out
[14:57] <pumba_> hello
[14:57] <pumba_> any ubuntu wireless experts
[14:57] <pumba_> that can help me a second?
[14:58] <nigelb> Why don't you try in #ubuntu?
[14:58] <popey> pumba_: #ubuntu is the support channel
[15:10] <pumba_> i tried
[15:10] <pumba_> but that channel is too crowded
[15:10] <pumba_> and they dont even listen at me :(
[15:10] <nigelb> Then,I would suggest askubuntu.com
[15:10] <nisshh> pumba_, its a very active channel, its always like that
[15:11] <nigelb> There is a good number of people there and responses are really good and constructive
[15:11] <nisshh> yeah
[15:11] <pumba_> they tend to avoid "silly" problems :/
[15:12] <popey> pumba_: I would also tru askubuntu.com or your local #ubuntu-it community support channel
[15:12] <nigelb> I wondered what "tru" was until I realized its "try" :)
[15:13] <nisshh> heh
[15:42] <pumba_> i need a wireless ubuntu expert :((
[15:43] <popey> pumba_: whats the problem?
[15:43] <pumba_> i just installed ubuntu
[15:44] <pumba_> but there's no way to make the wifi recognized
[15:44] <pumba_> seems dead
[15:44] <pumba_> in windows it worked... :(
[15:47] <popey> pumba_: what make and model of computer is it?
[15:47] <pumba_> its a fujitsu c1020 laptop (old pentium 4 mobile)
[15:47] <pumba_> and the wifi card
[15:47] <pumba_> is
[15:47] <pumba_> Z-Com 725/726 Prism2.5 USB/USB Integrated
[15:47] <pumba_> its integrated in the LCD
[15:48] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/prism2_usb
[15:49] <pumba_> someone else tried to help me
[15:49] <pumba_> and he made me input a command in terminal
[15:49] <popey> pumba_: what release of ubuntu?
[15:50] <pumba_> nm-tool
[15:50] <pumba_> if i type nm-tool i see
[15:50] <popey> pumba_: why wont you try http://askubuntu.com/ ? There's a lot of experts there and they give good quality answers
[15:50] <popey> pumba_: don't paste in here please...
[15:50] <pumba_> driver: prism2_usb
[15:50] <pumba_> but hardware address all zeros.
[15:50] <pumba_> i installed ubuntu 10.10
[15:55] <pumba_> mmmm nothing popey?
[15:55] <pumba_> nothing i should try? :(
[16:00] <popey> 15:50:24 < popey> pumba_: why wont you try http://askubuntu.com/ ? There's a lot of experts there and they give good quality  answers
[16:03] <pumba_> its one of those usual online services
[16:03] <pumba_> where nobody usually gives an answer :(
[16:03] <popey> thats not true
[16:04] <pumba_> there are tons of such services also for windows
[16:04] <pumba_> tried them with no lack :(
[16:04] <popey> askubuntu was setup by ubuntu developers and people in this very channel
[16:05] <maco> and the desktop development team has been instructed to spend some time going through questions, i think
[16:06] <maco> i think a lot of the unanswered ones are really just bugs :-/
[16:06] <maco> should probably drop by a bunch and say that
[16:06] <nigelb> There are unanswered?
[16:06] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/unanswered most of the unanswered ones arent actually unanswered, just not tagged as answered by the poster
[16:06] <maco> yes, about 200
[16:06] <nigelb> I generally don't find anything to answer, people are too fast.
[16:06] <maco> oh right
[16:07] <maco> you have to search for   answers:0   to find ones that are *really* unanswered
[16:07] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/unanswered/tagged/?tab=noanswers
[16:07] <pumba_> hmmmm then maybe I will try....
[16:07] <pumba_> and be the first to have something.. unanswered
[16:07]  * maco does the openid dance
[16:07] <pumba_> maybe this laptop is just too old :/
[16:08] <popey> pumba_: post a link here once you have asked the question
[16:08] <pumba_> yes, i need time to write everything cause its quite long.. to explain all I did :
[16:08] <popey> sure
[16:08] <popey> and that will help you get an answer
[16:09] <pumba_> yes, and exclude solutions
[16:09] <pumba_> i have already tried
[16:09] <pumba_> but... can be possible
[16:09] <pumba_> that just an ubuntu installation
[16:09] <pumba_> kills a network card?
[16:10] <popey> In general, no.
[16:13] <pumba_> it seems
[16:13] <pumba_> there's even a chat
[16:14] <pumba_> separate from this
[16:14] <pumba_> dedicated to.. askubuntu?
[16:14] <popey> yeah
[18:20] <nigelb> czajkowski: That's a gorgeous coat :)
[19:26] <nigelb> We're really doing something right.  Everyother web development channel has a bunch of guys coming in asking "How to do $foo, I'm using Ubuntu"
[19:27]  * nigelb is extremely glad :)
[19:55] <popey> :)
[19:56] <popey> nigelb: I was on the train with Daviey to a release party once, we overheard some guys nearby talking about upgrading to latest release. We asked if they were going to the release party, to which they replied "Nah, we're just happy Ubuntu users"
[19:56] <nigelb> popey: :)
[19:57] <popey> they were web devs
[19:57] <nigelb> \o/ web devs ftw :D
[20:34] <jcastro> popey: around?
[20:34] <popey> ya
[20:34] <jcastro> ok so ...
[20:34] <jcastro> don't take this the wrong way or anything
[20:34] <popey> :)
[20:35] <popey> incoming!
[20:35] <jcastro> but why do you waste your time with people on identi.ca when there are so many real contributors out there that need help/guidance/your time?
[20:35] <popey> heh
[20:35] <popey> a fine question
[20:35] <jcastro> for every minute we spend responding to people like that that's one less nigel we could have
[20:35] <popey> I suffer from http://xkcd.com/386
[20:35] <jcastro> I know I know
[20:36] <popey> i take your point though
[20:36] <jcastro> popey: I don't want to single you out or anything, you just happened to scroll by on the twitters
[20:36] <popey> :)
[20:36] <popey> I appreciate the concern :)
[20:37] <nigelb> jcastro: hah
[20:40] <nigelb> popey: The web dev thing happened to me in #cakephp, #phpc, #python, and #pocco
[20:41] <nigelb> It was a bit shocking initially to see how at least web devs have embraced ubuntu for the 'don't worry about the system, just do your work' comfort
[20:44] <nigelb> Did anyone see http://firefoxlive.mozilla.org/ yet?