| prvul | If some political party organize event promoting free software, is it ok for loco to participate in that event? | 00:52 |
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| JanC | prvul: that might be tricky | 01:06 |
| JanC | it might depend on local circumstances though | 01:07 |
| prvul | JanC, sorry i was afk | 01:16 |
| prvul | i know that is tricky | 01:17 |
| prvul | i am lookin for some information about this issue | 01:17 |
| prvul | like there can be tricky with locos and money | 01:18 |
| prvul | but for that "problem" i found this | 01:18 |
| JanC | money is no problem if it's used to promote Ubuntu | 01:18 |
| prvul | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDealingWithMoney | 01:18 |
| prvul | we as loco do not support any political party | 01:19 |
| prvul | on event there will be no promo material of that party | 01:19 |
| prvul | only about ubuntu | 01:19 |
| JanC | only ubuntu or also other projects? | 01:19 |
| prvul | ubuntu and free software | 01:20 |
| prvul | free software in general | 01:20 |
| JanC | I think it would be better is they also invited other political parties ;) | 01:20 |
| JanC | s/is/if | 01:20 |
| pleia2 | I don't see a problem with it as long as everyone knows it's not an endorsement or anything | 01:21 |
| JanC | well, yeah, but making that clear might be tricky | 01:22 |
| pleia2 | and I agree with JanC that it depends on local circumstances | 01:22 |
| pleia2 | you could disclaim it in the announcement or something | 01:22 |
| JanC | when I said local circumstances, I was also thinking about countries like Vietnam, where there is only one party... ;) | 01:22 |
| pleia2 | we had a loco team member who did things with the boy scouts (they are notoriously discriminatory, I did not participate) and others who invited us to set up at a church flea market | 01:23 |
| JanC | yeah, it's easier if you participate in quite different events, to show you don't favour one over the other | 01:24 |
| * pleia2 nods | 01:24 | |
| prvul | pleia2, Pennsylvania LoCo? | 01:24 |
| pleia2 | prvul: boy scouts was pennsylvania, yeah | 01:25 |
| prvul | i read about it | 01:25 |
| JanC | pleia2: boy scouts over here are more sane though ;) | 01:25 |
| pleia2 | the church thing was a question brought up with ubuntu-us, I don't remember which team it was | 01:25 |
| pleia2 | JanC: that's fortunate :) | 01:25 |
| prvul | does ubuntu have some text for this issues | 01:26 |
| pleia2 | prvul: I was pretty opinionated in that thread you read, I've calmed down since :) | 01:26 |
| JanC | especially the "open scouting" group which is actually "unisex" | 01:26 |
| JanC | (or how do yo ucall that) | 01:26 |
| pleia2 | I don't think there is a document discussing this | 01:26 |
| JanC | and which is also not christian like the original group | 01:26 |
| pleia2 | there have been some spinoff groups here, but they haven't taken off, and the girl scouts are a completely organization altogether which doesn't discriminate | 01:27 |
| pleia2 | s/completely/completely different | 01:27 |
| JanC | so they accept boys? | 01:27 |
| pleia2 | well, not as members | 01:27 |
| JanC | so, they still discriminate... ;) | 01:28 |
| prvul | :D | 01:28 |
| prvul | i like this idea "It looks like the way our LoCo team is going to handle it all is by | 01:28 |
| prvul | including a disclaimer (somewhere on our website or wiki) stating that | 01:28 |
| prvul | when we work with organizations, we don't necessarily support their | 01:28 |
| prvul | views. | 01:28 |
| prvul | " | 01:28 |
| pleia2 | prvul: I think that's good | 01:28 |
| JanC | prvul: also invite other parties to organize similar events | 01:29 |
| JanC | or co-organize | 01:29 |
| prvul | sure | 01:29 |
| prvul | promoting ubuntu is our goal | 01:30 |
| prvul | but some individuals may see this as loco supporting that party | 01:31 |
| JanC | one way to prevent this situation in the future would be to organize something yourself and invite all political parties | 01:31 |
| prvul | we do organize, but this came from their side | 01:31 |
| prvul | they organized almost everything | 01:31 |
| JanC | prvul: I assume this partu is genuinely interested in open source? | 01:32 |
| JanC | this party | 01:32 |
| prvul | we as loco will have our team leader as speaker | 01:32 |
| prvul | well, JanC, i am not 100% sure | 01:32 |
| JanC | another option is to be there as individuals, but not (officially) as a locoteam | 01:32 |
| prvul | see, im from Serbia, and we do not have very stable political situation | 01:33 |
| prvul | partys change every foru years | 01:33 |
| JanC | eh, sounds "fun" to follow who supports what that way... | 01:34 |
| prvul | for example, this same goverment couple a years ago have made agreement with MS | 01:34 |
| prvul | last year, same goverment supported "domestic" linux distro | 01:35 |
| JanC | maybe cheap MS software was still expensive ;) | 01:35 |
| prvul | cp6linux, a ubuntu fully translated in serbian, with some modifications | 01:35 |
| JanC | prvul: if this is related to that project, I guess it's okay to participate | 01:36 |
| prvul | also they supported translation projects for OOo, mozilla ff and mozill thunderbird | 01:36 |
| JanC | do they pay for translations and such? | 01:36 |
| prvul | i guess | 01:37 |
| JanC | in that case, everybody benefits, I guess | 01:37 |
| prvul | that projects were given to three major universities in our country | 01:37 |
| JanC | everybody who speaks serbian | 01:37 |
| JanC | let's hope it's a sustained effort | 01:38 |
| prvul | yes, but project is stalled now, it seems so | 01:38 |
| JanC | aw :-( | 01:38 |
| prvul | hey, but our loco is doing almost great | 01:39 |
| prvul | :) | 01:39 |
| prvul | we have very active forum | 01:39 |
| JanC | prvul: maybe you can get contacts in government to poke about sustaining the project... ;) | 01:39 |
| JanC | that project or other projects | 01:40 |
| JanC | maybe sponsor development of an open source serbian grammar checker by a university | 01:41 |
| JanC | such things | 01:41 |
| prvul | for me, the "issue" with this political party is that on radio commercial, they do mention themselfs as one of the organizer | 01:42 |
| JanC | there are also other organisers? | 01:42 |
| JanC | that are mentioned? | 01:42 |
| prvul | yeah | 01:43 |
| prvul | but they initiated | 01:43 |
| JanC | well, maybe it makes it easier to say you are not there because of the political party? | 01:45 |
| prvul | we sure are not, we are there to promote ubuntu | 01:46 |
| prvul | JanC, here is google translation of the message from our forums that anounces event | 01:49 |
| prvul | http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/QA8 | 01:49 |
| prvul | Tower is name of the city translated into english | 01:50 |
| prvul | :) | 01:50 |
| prvul | It should be Kula | 01:50 |
| JanC | ah, was just going to ask whatever that was :P | 01:50 |
| JanC | the press, school, companies involved, are they related to the party? | 01:51 |
| prvul | schools - no, press an companies - shouldnt be, but who knoes ;) | 01:53 |
| prvul | knows | 01:53 |
| JanC | I guess local peopel know such things most of the time ;) | 01:53 |
| prvul | probably | 01:53 |
| JanC | like "newspaper X are friends of the city mayor" (or the opposite) | 01:54 |
| JanC | e.g. the small local independent city/region news agency around here is not exactly "friends" with our mayor ;-) | 01:55 |
| prvul | im am not local, so for me they are all unbiased | 01:55 |
| JanC | (they run on Ubuntu though) | 01:55 |
| JanC | hehe | 01:55 |
| prvul | see, they do not mention party name, they say municipal of Kula | 01:59 |
| JanC | ah, that's okay then IMO | 01:59 |
| JanC | the "municipality of Kula" is supposed to do what's good for all citizens, not only those who voted for the ruling party | 02:00 |
| prvul | should be | 02:00 |
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| daker | czajkowski, sorry :) | 17:10 |
| nigelb | Morning mhall119_ :) | 18:19 |
| mhall119_ | afternoon nigelb | 20:32 |
| nigelb | mhall119_: \o/ | 20:32 |
| nigelb | mhall119_: I haz good news | 20:32 |
| nigelb | python-configobj | 20:32 |
| nigelb | ^^ that is the library that saved a few hours of my life and a lot of hair (or I would have pulled it out in frustrated) | 20:33 |
| nigelb | *frustration | 20:33 |
| mhall119_ | what's it do? | 20:34 |
| nigelb | It parses python config into a dictionary | 20:35 |
| nigelb | very easy to read and write | 20:35 |
| mhall119_ | what kind of config? | 20:35 |
| nigelb | best part => most of us have it in our system already | 20:35 |
| nigelb | the ini types, there is a format, similar to standard python format for config files | 20:35 |
| nigelb | this module is what bzr uses to read branch.conf | 20:36 |
| nigelb | so, since we all have bzr installed, its already in our systems :) | 20:36 |
| mhall119_ | cool | 20:36 |
| nigelb | I finished a good deal of work on that application I was writing | 20:36 |
| mhall119_ | I need to find the default python argument parser, it seems argparse isn't installed by default | 20:36 |
| mhall119_ | maybe getopt | 20:36 |
| mhall119_ | nigelb: cool | 20:37 |
| nigelb | mhall119_: Oh so by default the argument processing module isn't isntalled at all? O_O | 20:37 |
| mhall119_ | not python-argparse, not on 10.04 anyway | 20:37 |
| nigelb | oh :( | 20:38 |
| nigelb | I'll pick up the slack on summit once I push my app into beta tomorrow :) | 20:38 |
| mhall119_ | looks like getopt is installed by default though | 20:39 |
| nigelb | \o/ | 20:39 |
| mhall119_ | cool, I don't think anyone's been working on summit since, well, summit | 20:39 |
| nigelb | yeah thought so | 20:39 |
| nigelb | I wanted to start early so you'd have time to review and help me out | 20:39 |
| mhall119_ | cool | 20:39 |
| nigelb | just trying to 'poke harder' | 20:39 |
| mhall119_ | :) | 20:40 |
| mhall119_ | so what's your python app? | 20:40 |
| nigelb | You've used gitosis? | 20:41 |
| nigelb | Its a very easy to set up git server. About 5 lines in the command line and its set. Its in packages etc | 20:42 |
| nigelb | BUt the configuration for that is a git-repo itself and the admin has to modify a text file | 20:42 |
| nigelb | I wrote a web interface to write to the file, upload new keys, and commit and push the repo | 20:42 |
| nigelb | so the entire thing can be controlled from a web UI :D | 20:43 |
| mhall119_ | oh right, I remember now | 20:43 |
| nigelb | heh | 20:43 |
| nigelb | It was a fair bit challenging to pick up python coding, but now I got a hang of it :) | 20:43 |
| mhall119_ | python's a great language | 20:44 |
| mhall119_ | there's really not too many things you need to learn to get going | 20:44 |
| nigelb | Yep. | 20:44 |
| nigelb | Its just more getting used to | 20:44 |
| nigelb | Coming from PHP that took a while even though I've coded in python before | 20:45 |
| mhall119_ | heh, trying to install bootloaders to partitions were ya? | 20:45 |
| nigelb | oh, don't remind me | 20:46 |
| nigelb | I hate HP and I hate Vista | 20:46 |
| cjohnston | howdy | 21:30 |
| cjohnston | mhall119_: bug 686271 - how do you think the minutes should be? should it just be a text box? should it allow markup? | 21:42 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 686271 in loco-directory "Allow users to add meeting minutes after the meeting (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686271 | 21:43 |
| cjohnston | and.. do you think the agenda should go in the same area as the "description" on an event and then the minutes where the "attendees" section of an event is?http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/568/detail/ | 21:44 |
| cjohnston | effie_jayx: could you please go through some of the branches you have for the LoCo directory and either update them or delete them? https://code.launchpad.net/loco-directory | 21:55 |
| mhall119_ | cjohnston: I was just gonna provide a link to mootbot minutes URL | 21:58 |
| mhall119_ | cjohnston: I'd put agenda below details, instead of above | 21:58 |
| mhall119_ | details (time, channel, chair) at the top, agenda below that | 21:59 |
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