[00:52] <prvul> If some political party organize event promoting free software, is it ok for loco to participate in that event?
[01:06] <JanC> prvul: that might be tricky
[01:07] <JanC> it might depend on local circumstances though
[01:16] <prvul> JanC, sorry i was afk
[01:17] <prvul> i know that is tricky
[01:17] <prvul> i am lookin for some information about this issue
[01:18] <prvul> like there can be tricky with locos and money
[01:18] <prvul> but for that "problem" i found this
[01:18] <JanC> money is no problem if it's used to promote Ubuntu
[01:18] <prvul> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDealingWithMoney
[01:19] <prvul> we as loco do not support any political party
[01:19] <prvul> on event there will be no promo material of that party
[01:19] <prvul> only about ubuntu
[01:19] <JanC> only ubuntu or also other projects?
[01:20] <prvul> ubuntu and free software
[01:20] <prvul> free software in general
[01:20] <JanC> I think it would be better is they also invited other political parties  ;)
[01:20] <JanC> s/is/if
[01:21] <pleia2> I don't see a problem with it as long as everyone knows it's not an endorsement or anything
[01:22] <JanC> well, yeah, but making that clear might be tricky
[01:22] <pleia2> and I agree with JanC that it depends on local circumstances
[01:22] <pleia2> you could disclaim it in the announcement or something
[01:22] <JanC> when I said local circumstances, I was also thinking about countries like Vietnam, where there is only one party...  ;)
[01:23] <pleia2> we had a loco team member who did things with the boy scouts (they are notoriously discriminatory, I did not participate) and others who invited us to set up at a church flea market
[01:24] <JanC> yeah, it's easier if you participate in quite different events, to show you don't favour one over the other
[01:24]  * pleia2 nods
[01:24] <prvul> pleia2, Pennsylvania LoCo?
[01:25] <pleia2> prvul: boy scouts was pennsylvania, yeah
[01:25] <prvul> i read about it
[01:25] <JanC> pleia2: boy scouts over here are more sane though  ;)
[01:25] <pleia2> the church thing was a question brought up with ubuntu-us, I don't remember which team it was
[01:25] <pleia2> JanC: that's fortunate :)
[01:26] <prvul> does ubuntu have some text for this issues
[01:26] <pleia2> prvul: I was pretty opinionated in that thread you read, I've calmed down since :)
[01:26] <JanC> especially the "open scouting" group which is actually "unisex"
[01:26] <JanC> (or how do yo ucall that)
[01:26] <pleia2> I don't think there is a document discussing this
[01:26] <JanC> and which is also not christian like the original group
[01:27] <pleia2> there have been some spinoff groups here, but they haven't taken off, and the girl scouts are a completely organization altogether which doesn't discriminate
[01:27] <pleia2> s/completely/completely different
[01:27] <JanC> so they accept boys?
[01:27] <pleia2> well, not as members
[01:28] <JanC> so, they still discriminate...  ;)
[01:28] <prvul> :D
[01:28] <prvul> i like this idea "It looks like the way our LoCo team is going to handle it all is by
[01:28] <prvul> including a disclaimer (somewhere on our website or wiki) stating that
[01:28] <prvul> when we work with organizations, we don't necessarily support their
[01:28] <prvul> views.
[01:28] <prvul> "
[01:28] <pleia2> prvul: I think that's good
[01:29] <JanC> prvul: also invite other parties to organize similar events
[01:29] <JanC> or co-organize
[01:29] <prvul> sure
[01:30] <prvul> promoting ubuntu is our goal
[01:31] <prvul> but some individuals may see this as loco supporting that party
[01:31] <JanC> one way to prevent this situation in the future would be to organize something yourself and invite all political parties
[01:31] <prvul> we do organize, but this came from their side
[01:31] <prvul> they organized almost everything
[01:32] <JanC> prvul: I assume this partu is genuinely interested in open source?
[01:32] <JanC> this party
[01:32] <prvul> we as loco will have our team leader as speaker
[01:32] <prvul> well, JanC, i am not 100% sure
[01:32] <JanC> another option is to be there as individuals, but not (officially) as a locoteam
[01:33] <prvul> see, im from Serbia, and we do not have very stable political situation
[01:33] <prvul> partys change every foru years
[01:34] <JanC> eh, sounds "fun" to follow who supports what that way...
[01:34] <prvul> for example, this same goverment couple a years ago have made agreement with MS
[01:35] <prvul> last year, same goverment supported "domestic" linux distro
[01:35] <JanC> maybe cheap MS software was still expensive  ;)
[01:35] <prvul> cp6linux, a ubuntu fully translated in serbian, with some modifications
[01:36] <JanC> prvul: if this is related to that project, I guess it's okay to participate
[01:36] <prvul> also they supported translation projects for OOo, mozilla ff and mozill thunderbird
[01:36] <JanC> do they pay for translations and such?
[01:37] <prvul> i guess
[01:37] <JanC> in that case, everybody benefits, I guess
[01:37] <prvul> that projects were given to three major universities in our country
[01:37] <JanC> everybody who speaks serbian
[01:38] <JanC> let's hope it's a sustained effort
[01:38] <prvul> yes, but project is stalled now, it seems so
[01:38] <JanC> aw  :-(
[01:39] <prvul> hey, but our loco is doing almost great
[01:39] <prvul> :)
[01:39] <prvul> we have very active forum
[01:39] <JanC> prvul: maybe you can get contacts in government to poke about sustaining the project...   ;)
[01:40] <JanC> that project or other projects
[01:41] <JanC> maybe sponsor development of an open source serbian grammar checker by a university
[01:41] <JanC> such things
[01:42] <prvul> for me, the "issue" with this political party is that on radio commercial, they do mention themselfs as one of the organizer
[01:42] <JanC> there are also other organisers?
[01:42] <JanC> that are mentioned?
[01:43] <prvul> yeah
[01:43] <prvul> but they initiated
[01:45] <JanC> well, maybe it makes it easier to say you are not there because of the political party?
[01:46] <prvul> we sure are not, we are there to promote ubuntu
[01:49] <prvul> JanC, here is google translation of the message from our forums that anounces event
[01:49] <prvul> http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/QA8
[01:50] <prvul> Tower is name of the city translated into english
[01:50] <prvul> :)
[01:50] <prvul> It should be Kula
[01:50] <JanC> ah, was just going to ask whatever that was  :P
[01:51] <JanC> the press, school, companies involved, are they related to the party?
[01:53] <prvul> schools - no, press an companies - shouldnt be, but who knoes ;)
[01:53] <prvul> knows
[01:53] <JanC> I guess local peopel know such things most of the time  ;)
[01:53] <prvul> probably
[01:54] <JanC> like "newspaper X are friends of the city mayor" (or the opposite)
[01:55] <JanC> e.g. the small local independent city/region news agency around here is not exactly "friends" with our mayor   ;-)
[01:55] <prvul> im am not local, so for me they are all unbiased
[01:55] <JanC> (they run on Ubuntu though)
[01:55] <JanC> hehe
[01:59] <prvul> see, they do not mention party name, they say municipal of Kula
[01:59] <JanC> ah, that's okay then IMO
[02:00] <JanC> the "municipality of Kula" is supposed to do what's good for all citizens, not only those who voted for the ruling party
[02:00] <prvul> should be
[17:09] <czajkowski> daker|afk: can you not change your nick please when you go away from computer 
[17:10] <daker> czajkowski, sorry :)
[18:19] <nigelb> Morning mhall119_ :)
[20:32] <mhall119_> afternoon nigelb 
[20:32] <nigelb> mhall119_: \o/
[20:32] <nigelb> mhall119_: I haz good news
[20:32] <nigelb> python-configobj
[20:33] <nigelb> ^^ that is the library that saved a few hours of my life and a lot of hair (or I would have pulled it out in frustrated)
[20:33] <nigelb> *frustration
[20:34] <mhall119_> what's it do?
[20:35] <nigelb> It parses python config into a dictionary
[20:35] <nigelb> very easy to read and write
[20:35] <mhall119_> what kind of config?
[20:35] <nigelb> best part => most of us have it in our system already
[20:35] <nigelb> the ini types, there is a format, similar to standard python format for config files
[20:36] <nigelb> this module is what bzr uses to read branch.conf
[20:36] <nigelb> so, since we all have bzr installed, its already in our systems :)
[20:36] <mhall119_> cool
[20:36] <nigelb> I finished a good deal of work on that application I was writing
[20:36] <mhall119_> I need to find the default python argument parser, it seems argparse isn't installed by default
[20:36] <mhall119_> maybe getopt
[20:37] <mhall119_> nigelb: cool
[20:37] <nigelb> mhall119_: Oh so by default the argument processing module isn't isntalled at all? O_O
[20:37] <mhall119_> not python-argparse, not on 10.04 anyway
[20:38] <nigelb> oh :(
[20:38] <nigelb> I'll pick up the slack on summit once I push my app into beta tomorrow :)
[20:39] <mhall119_> looks like getopt is installed by default though
[20:39] <nigelb> \o/
[20:39] <mhall119_> cool, I don't think anyone's been working on summit since, well, summit
[20:39] <nigelb> yeah thought so
[20:39] <nigelb> I wanted to start early so you'd have time to review and help me out
[20:39] <mhall119_> cool
[20:39] <nigelb> just trying to 'poke harder'
[20:40] <mhall119_> :)
[20:40] <mhall119_> so what's your python app?
[20:41] <nigelb> You've used gitosis?
[20:42] <nigelb> Its a very easy to set up git server.  About 5 lines in the command line and its set.  Its in packages etc
[20:42] <nigelb> BUt the configuration for that is a git-repo itself and the admin has to modify a text file
[20:42] <nigelb> I wrote a web interface to write to the file, upload new keys, and commit and push the repo
[20:43] <nigelb> so the entire thing can be controlled from a web UI :D
[20:43] <mhall119_> oh right, I remember now
[20:43] <nigelb> heh
[20:43] <nigelb> It was a fair bit challenging to pick up python coding, but now I got a hang of it :)
[20:44] <mhall119_> python's a great language
[20:44] <mhall119_> there's really not too many things you need to learn to get going
[20:44] <nigelb> Yep.
[20:44] <nigelb> Its just more getting used to
[20:45] <nigelb> Coming from PHP that took a while even though I've coded in python before
[20:45] <mhall119_> heh, trying to install bootloaders to partitions were ya?
[20:46] <nigelb> oh, don't remind me
[20:46] <nigelb> I hate HP and I hate Vista
[21:30] <cjohnston> howdy
[21:42] <cjohnston> mhall119_: bug 686271 - how do you think the minutes should be? should it just be a text box? should it allow markup?
[21:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 686271 in loco-directory "Allow users to add meeting minutes after the meeting (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686271
[21:44] <cjohnston> and.. do you think the agenda should go in the same area as the "description" on an event and then the minutes where the "attendees" section of an event is?http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/568/detail/
[21:55] <cjohnston> effie_jayx: could you please go through some of the branches you have for the LoCo directory and either update them or delete them? https://code.launchpad.net/loco-directory
[21:58] <mhall119_> cjohnston: I was just gonna provide a link to mootbot minutes URL
[21:58] <mhall119_> cjohnston: I'd put agenda below details, instead of above
[21:59] <mhall119_> details (time, channel, chair) at the top, agenda below that
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