[00:52] If some political party organize event promoting free software, is it ok for loco to participate in that event? [01:06] prvul: that might be tricky [01:07] it might depend on local circumstances though [01:16] JanC, sorry i was afk [01:17] i know that is tricky [01:17] i am lookin for some information about this issue [01:18] like there can be tricky with locos and money [01:18] but for that "problem" i found this [01:18] money is no problem if it's used to promote Ubuntu [01:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamDealingWithMoney [01:19] we as loco do not support any political party [01:19] on event there will be no promo material of that party [01:19] only about ubuntu [01:19] only ubuntu or also other projects? [01:20] ubuntu and free software [01:20] free software in general [01:20] I think it would be better is they also invited other political parties ;) [01:20] s/is/if [01:21] I don't see a problem with it as long as everyone knows it's not an endorsement or anything [01:22] well, yeah, but making that clear might be tricky [01:22] and I agree with JanC that it depends on local circumstances [01:22] you could disclaim it in the announcement or something [01:22] when I said local circumstances, I was also thinking about countries like Vietnam, where there is only one party... ;) [01:23] we had a loco team member who did things with the boy scouts (they are notoriously discriminatory, I did not participate) and others who invited us to set up at a church flea market [01:24] yeah, it's easier if you participate in quite different events, to show you don't favour one over the other [01:24] * pleia2 nods [01:24] pleia2, Pennsylvania LoCo? [01:25] prvul: boy scouts was pennsylvania, yeah [01:25] i read about it [01:25] pleia2: boy scouts over here are more sane though ;) [01:25] the church thing was a question brought up with ubuntu-us, I don't remember which team it was [01:25] JanC: that's fortunate :) [01:26] does ubuntu have some text for this issues [01:26] prvul: I was pretty opinionated in that thread you read, I've calmed down since :) [01:26] especially the "open scouting" group which is actually "unisex" [01:26] (or how do yo ucall that) [01:26] I don't think there is a document discussing this [01:26] and which is also not christian like the original group [01:27] there have been some spinoff groups here, but they haven't taken off, and the girl scouts are a completely organization altogether which doesn't discriminate [01:27] s/completely/completely different [01:27] so they accept boys? [01:27] well, not as members [01:28] so, they still discriminate... ;) [01:28] :D [01:28] i like this idea "It looks like the way our LoCo team is going to handle it all is by [01:28] including a disclaimer (somewhere on our website or wiki) stating that [01:28] when we work with organizations, we don't necessarily support their [01:28] views. [01:28] " [01:28] prvul: I think that's good [01:29] prvul: also invite other parties to organize similar events [01:29] or co-organize [01:29] sure [01:30] promoting ubuntu is our goal [01:31] but some individuals may see this as loco supporting that party [01:31] one way to prevent this situation in the future would be to organize something yourself and invite all political parties [01:31] we do organize, but this came from their side [01:31] they organized almost everything [01:32] prvul: I assume this partu is genuinely interested in open source? [01:32] this party [01:32] we as loco will have our team leader as speaker [01:32] well, JanC, i am not 100% sure [01:32] another option is to be there as individuals, but not (officially) as a locoteam [01:33] see, im from Serbia, and we do not have very stable political situation [01:33] partys change every foru years [01:34] eh, sounds "fun" to follow who supports what that way... [01:34] for example, this same goverment couple a years ago have made agreement with MS [01:35] last year, same goverment supported "domestic" linux distro [01:35] maybe cheap MS software was still expensive ;) [01:35] cp6linux, a ubuntu fully translated in serbian, with some modifications [01:36] prvul: if this is related to that project, I guess it's okay to participate [01:36] also they supported translation projects for OOo, mozilla ff and mozill thunderbird [01:36] do they pay for translations and such? [01:37] i guess [01:37] in that case, everybody benefits, I guess [01:37] that projects were given to three major universities in our country [01:37] everybody who speaks serbian [01:38] let's hope it's a sustained effort [01:38] yes, but project is stalled now, it seems so [01:38] aw :-( [01:39] hey, but our loco is doing almost great [01:39] :) [01:39] we have very active forum [01:39] prvul: maybe you can get contacts in government to poke about sustaining the project... ;) [01:40] that project or other projects [01:41] maybe sponsor development of an open source serbian grammar checker by a university [01:41] such things [01:42] for me, the "issue" with this political party is that on radio commercial, they do mention themselfs as one of the organizer [01:42] there are also other organisers? [01:42] that are mentioned? [01:43] yeah [01:43] but they initiated [01:45] well, maybe it makes it easier to say you are not there because of the political party? [01:46] we sure are not, we are there to promote ubuntu [01:49] JanC, here is google translation of the message from our forums that anounces event [01:49] http://www.heypasteit.com/clip/QA8 [01:50] Tower is name of the city translated into english [01:50] :) [01:50] It should be Kula [01:50] ah, was just going to ask whatever that was :P [01:51] the press, school, companies involved, are they related to the party? [01:53] schools - no, press an companies - shouldnt be, but who knoes ;) [01:53] knows [01:53] I guess local peopel know such things most of the time ;) [01:53] probably [01:54] like "newspaper X are friends of the city mayor" (or the opposite) [01:55] e.g. the small local independent city/region news agency around here is not exactly "friends" with our mayor ;-) [01:55] im am not local, so for me they are all unbiased [01:55] (they run on Ubuntu though) [01:55] hehe [01:59] see, they do not mention party name, they say municipal of Kula [01:59] ah, that's okay then IMO [02:00] the "municipality of Kula" is supposed to do what's good for all citizens, not only those who voted for the ruling party [02:00] should be === FlannelKing is now known as Flannel === daker is now known as daker|afk [17:09] daker|afk: can you not change your nick please when you go away from computer === daker|afk is now known as daker [17:10] czajkowski, sorry :) [18:19] Morning mhall119_ :) [20:32] afternoon nigelb [20:32] mhall119_: \o/ [20:32] mhall119_: I haz good news [20:32] python-configobj [20:33] ^^ that is the library that saved a few hours of my life and a lot of hair (or I would have pulled it out in frustrated) [20:33] *frustration [20:34] what's it do? [20:35] It parses python config into a dictionary [20:35] very easy to read and write [20:35] what kind of config? [20:35] best part => most of us have it in our system already [20:35] the ini types, there is a format, similar to standard python format for config files [20:36] this module is what bzr uses to read branch.conf [20:36] so, since we all have bzr installed, its already in our systems :) [20:36] cool [20:36] I finished a good deal of work on that application I was writing [20:36] I need to find the default python argument parser, it seems argparse isn't installed by default [20:36] maybe getopt [20:37] nigelb: cool [20:37] mhall119_: Oh so by default the argument processing module isn't isntalled at all? O_O [20:37] not python-argparse, not on 10.04 anyway [20:38] oh :( [20:38] I'll pick up the slack on summit once I push my app into beta tomorrow :) [20:39] looks like getopt is installed by default though [20:39] \o/ [20:39] cool, I don't think anyone's been working on summit since, well, summit [20:39] yeah thought so [20:39] I wanted to start early so you'd have time to review and help me out [20:39] cool [20:39] just trying to 'poke harder' [20:40] :) [20:40] so what's your python app? [20:41] You've used gitosis? [20:42] Its a very easy to set up git server. About 5 lines in the command line and its set. Its in packages etc [20:42] BUt the configuration for that is a git-repo itself and the admin has to modify a text file [20:42] I wrote a web interface to write to the file, upload new keys, and commit and push the repo [20:43] so the entire thing can be controlled from a web UI :D [20:43] oh right, I remember now [20:43] heh [20:43] It was a fair bit challenging to pick up python coding, but now I got a hang of it :) [20:44] python's a great language [20:44] there's really not too many things you need to learn to get going [20:44] Yep. [20:44] Its just more getting used to [20:45] Coming from PHP that took a while even though I've coded in python before [20:45] heh, trying to install bootloaders to partitions were ya? [20:46] oh, don't remind me [20:46] I hate HP and I hate Vista [21:30] howdy [21:42] mhall119_: bug 686271 - how do you think the minutes should be? should it just be a text box? should it allow markup? [21:43] Launchpad bug 686271 in loco-directory "Allow users to add meeting minutes after the meeting (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686271 [21:44] and.. do you think the agenda should go in the same area as the "description" on an event and then the minutes where the "attendees" section of an event is?http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/568/detail/ [21:55] effie_jayx: could you please go through some of the branches you have for the LoCo directory and either update them or delete them? https://code.launchpad.net/loco-directory [21:58] cjohnston: I was just gonna provide a link to mootbot minutes URL [21:58] cjohnston: I'd put agenda below details, instead of above [21:59] details (time, channel, chair) at the top, agenda below that === JanC_ is now known as JanC [23:24] hi [23:24] is anyone out there? === david is now known as Guest61070 [23:24] hiii [23:24] hello [23:24] lo [23:24] lo [23:24] lo [23:24] xd! [23:25] hola? 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