[00:25] <udienz> Hi again, i have question
[00:26] <udienz> i try make font package
[00:28] <udienz> but upstream project doesn't include copyright at tarballs
[00:28] <udienz> but i got GPL2 license at project homepage
[00:28] <udienz> can i add gpl copyright outside debian dirs?
[00:29] <udienz> this is may package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8767
[00:30] <udienz> solved bugs 688780
[00:30] <kklimonda> udienz: you should ask upstream maintainers to create new tarball with license
[00:30] <udienz> kklimonda: ok, i'll send my email to upstream maintainers
[00:31] <kklimonda> udienz: also standard GPLv2 isn't really well suited for fonts
[00:32] <kklimonda> ask them if they provide an exception for embedding their fonts into documents (there is an example on a gnu.org)
[00:33] <udienz> kklimonda: ok, i do it now
[00:35] <kklimonda> udienz: also, only .ttf files are not enough to make package dfsg-compliant as they are not really easily (if at all) editable.
[00:37] <kklimonda> udienz: there are some sfd files in the svn repository - they may be "source files" for those fonts, but I don't really know enough about fonts to know if it's true
[01:19] <udienz> kklimonda: well, i have done send my email to upstream authors. i hope i got many informations. and Thanks for reviewing
[01:24] <udienz> sorry for ask again, whats procedure to find a mentors?
[01:26] <udienz> i have already send email to motu-mentoring-reception@reponses.net
[04:33] <kunal> hi
[07:26] <frewsxcv> why does tasksel require aptitude?
[09:31] <matttbe> Hello,
[09:31] <matttbe> There is a bug with Wicd and Python 2.7 on Natty => https://bugs.launchpad.net/wicd/+bug/602825
[09:31] <matttbe> Is it possible to merge my branch https://code.launchpad.net/~matttbe/wicd/ubuntu_python27 into lp:ubuntu/wicd ?
[09:31] <matttbe> The patch has been mentioned on bug #602825 and applied on wicd-devel branch (and available on wicd 1.7.1 beta 2).
[09:32] <ebroder> matttbe: I was literally just about to close my laptop and go to sleep, but I'll look at it tomorrow if nobody has by then
[09:32] <ebroder> (Not that that should stop anybody else from looking)
[09:33] <matttbe> ebroder: thank you ;)
[09:33] <matttbe> yes because it's a bit annoying to lose wicd :)
[09:34] <matttbe> but of course, we can use wpa_supplicant and dhclient
[11:23] <hakermania> hello, if any motu has time please have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/wallch Thank you in advance
[12:27] <hakermania> hello, if any motu has time please have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/wallch Thank you in advance
[12:27] <cdbs> hakermania: I would highly recommend you to try getting that into Debian instead
[12:30] <ari-tczew> SpamapS: are you on merge mongodb?
[12:36] <ari-tczew> angelabad: do you planning merge your TIL from main?
[12:37] <angelabad> ari-tczew, I dont understand...
[12:38] <ari-tczew> angelabad: TIL = Touched In Last. are you going to merge packages in main where you are a last uploader?
[12:40] <angelabad> ari-tczew, you can upload them if you want
[12:41] <ari-tczew> angelabad: I can't. I'm not in core-dev. :)
[12:42] <angelabad> but you can do the merge
[12:44] <angelabad> ari-tczew, I will try to merge them, but at monday more or less, but if you want/can do before, please merge them
[12:44] <ari-tczew> angelabad: easy, I'm leaving them for you. :)
[12:46] <angelabad> ok, If I have problems with them I will ask here
[12:49] <Riddell> cdbs: has MOTU just given up reviewing new packages?
[12:49] <cdbs> Riddell: no, but its recommended to try there as well
[12:49] <cdbs> since that's the normal workflow AND other packages can easily use it there itself
[12:49] <cdbs> infact
[12:49] <cdbs> I often review packages on REVU
[12:50] <cdbs> just that I am busy ATM, so recommended him to do that in the meantime, until he finds another reviewer
[12:54] <hakermania> cdbs: You are not the only one who can review new packages. So, if anyone has the time and the appetite to review my package, I please him to do it. I don't want any inclusion into debian or anything else. After all, ubuntu is more famous than debian! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/wallch
[12:54] <cdbs> hakermania: you misunderstood me
[12:55] <cdbs> I meant, that until someone else comes around and reviews, this is a good way to utilise time and effort
[12:56] <Riddell> hakermania: I've left comments
[12:56] <hakermania> Riddell: Oh, thanks again, you must be one of the most hard-working reviewers.!
[13:00] <geser> hakermania: you don't need the Closes: in debian/changelog, "lp: #xxx" is enough (Closes: #xxx is for Debian bugs)
[13:01] <hakermania> geser: Ok, thx :)
[13:03] <geser> hakermania: doesn't it work with older version of sed and grep? and I'm surprised to see a dependency on a mp3 player on a wallpaper changer
[13:03] <BUGabundo> morning
[13:03] <BUGabundo> anyone here uses android or develops for android, would be willing to package the SDK to a PPA or Universe?
[13:05] <hakermania> geser: Propably, but as the package is for natty, and the version I've mentioned are default for maverick, i don't see the point why to put an earlier version of them. The mpg321 is the smallest mp3 player I found so at the user to have the ability to choose his own ogg, mp3 or wav sound for sound notification on wallpaper change.
[13:07] <geser> hakermania: if it also works with older version of sed and grep too (so you don't need a versioned dependency) you can remove sed and grep as both are "essential" packages (available on every system)
[13:07] <hakermania> geser: Ok, thx again.
[13:08] <geser> and if your program works without mpg321 too (just doesn't play any notifications) then you could move it to recommends instead of depends
[13:08] <hakermania> Riddell: Are you sure you reviewed the last uploaded version? Because, yes, I got the error /home/jr/.config/WallpaperChanger/Scripts/starter: 539: b: not found but in the uploaded source this error doesn't exist at my PC at least.
[13:08] <hakermania> geser: No, I prefer to let it as it is.
[13:10] <hakermania> geser: imagemagick is also an "essential" package. Should I remove it as well?
[13:11] <geser> no, imagemagick is not "essential"
[13:11] <hakermania> geser: when you say "essential" don't you mean "installed by default"?
[13:11] <geser> apt-cache show sed | grep Essential
[13:13] <geser> when you try to remove imagemagick apt will probably remove a bunch of other apps too (but not complain otherwise), if you try the same with sed or grep, apt will complain loudly
[13:14] <hakermania> geser: Ok, thx, I'll let imagemagick as it is, May I have a question, in case you tried the program, when you run the 'starter' script, do you get error /home/$USER/.config/WallpaperChanger/Scripts/starter: 539: b: not found ?
[13:14] <geser> I didn't try it out yet
[13:15] <hakermania> geser: if you do so, please let me know, because I find it very strange. In my PC there are no errors.
[13:16] <Riddell> hakermania: further comment added
[13:16] <hakermania> geser: Ok, thank you Riddell.
[13:17] <hakermania> geser: Error went away
[13:30] <hakermania> New upload that removes the wallch-1.0/wallch on clean uploaded. When somebody  has time :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/wallch
[13:41] <udienz> hakermania: hello
[13:41] <hakermania> udienz: hi.
[13:42] <udienz> you need review? please wait.. maybe ubuntu-motu teams is busy
[13:42] <udienz> but don't worry
[14:01] <hakermania> udienz: I don't
[14:10] <ari-tczew> hakermania: I suggest to ask on #kubuntu-devel
[14:11] <ari-tczew> I saw that Riddell helped you today
[14:11] <hakermania> ari-tczew: Yes, but why is #kubuntu-devel suitable for such a question?
[14:12] <ari-tczew> hakermania: is your package related to KDE?
[14:12] <hakermania> ari-tczew: No!
[14:13] <ari-tczew> hakermania: mhm. Riddell's comment mistaked me about plasma
[14:14] <hakermania> ari-tczew: Yes, i found it stragne, too
[14:14] <hakermania> strange*
[14:15] <hakermania> ari-tczew: Do you think I should post a comment that says that the package is developed for Ubuntu with GNOME desktop ?
[14:17] <ari-tczew> hakermania: I think that it's not necessary, but if you want...
[14:21] <hakermania> ari-tczew: I did so :P
[16:02] <SpamapS> ari-tczew: sorry, I don't understand your question "are you on merge mongodb?"
[16:02] <ari-tczew> SpamapS: do you planning merge package mongodb (universe) from Debian?
[16:03] <SpamapS> ari-tczew: ooh.. sorry. ;) I hadn't planned on doing another merge of it in natty, so if you're interested, please go ahead. :)
[16:04] <SpamapS> ari-tczew: looks pretty simple actually.. :)
[16:04] <ari-tczew> SpamapS: ATM, I'm not.
[16:05] <SpamapS> ari-tczew: alright, well its on my radar now, so I'll try to fit it in.. I also want to backport 1.6 to lucid...
[16:06] <SpamapS> I feel like backports is a dead idea with PPA's
[16:07] <ari-tczew> SpamapS: hmmm, what about maverick?
[16:08] <SpamapS> ari-tczew: if you're crazy enough to run mongodb on a server in maverick, you're crazy enough to build it from source on your own. ;)
[16:09] <ari-tczew> SpamapS: build from source is not a problem
[16:10] <SpamapS> it would be cool if there was a simple program.. 'backport-to-ppa $distro ppa:foo/bar $dsc_file'
[16:11] <SpamapS> that just extracted, bumped changelog appropriately, and uploaded to the ppa
[16:12] <ari-tczew> SpamapS: dch command :>
[16:23] <Sarvatt> I guess it might be relevant to a bunch of stuff in universe, but people would no doubt try it for things like X components and complain when things are busted or it doesn't work :)
[16:55] <c_korn> is there a variable predefined for the upstream version in debian/rules ?
[17:28] <ebroder> SpamapS: 'backport-to-ppa $distro ppa:foo/bar $dsc_file'> I have that script, I just need to clean it up a bit
[17:29] <ebroder> Actually, if you want something that takes a dsc file and blasts it into a PPA, I've got http://web.mit.edu/broder/Public/upload-all, but I'm working on another one that's more targeted at backporting archive packages
[17:39] <hakermania> cdbs: R U MOTU?
[17:39] <cdbs> hakermania: yes
[17:39] <hakermania> cdbs: can you review uploads ?
[17:39] <cdbs> btw, no need to ask that in caps
[17:40] <cdbs> hakermania: YEs I can, but if its wallch, I can't (I am not good at KDE packages)
[17:40] <cdbs> I am a GNOME dev mainly
[17:40] <hakermania> cdbs: It's not a KDE package :) It is for Ubuntu Linux designed to work with GNOME Desktop :)
[17:41] <cdbs> hakermania: oh! will look tomorrow, I will have to go offline after 10 mins
[17:41] <cdbs> sorry for that
[17:41] <hakermania> cdbs: np :)
[17:43] <udienz> :)
[17:43] <udienz> hakermania: please be patient
[17:44] <hakermania> udienz: I can't be :) Excitement doesn't let me to be :D
[17:45] <udienz> hm.. FYI, i'm waiting for a week
[17:45] <udienz> only for review or comments
[17:45] <ari-tczew> cdbs: hey, I found last time some patches (non-debdiff, unfortunately) in SQ. These are papercuts fixes. are you interested to take them?
[17:45] <udienz> but its ok
[17:48] <geser> udienz, hakermania: only very few MOTUs still do reviews on REVU, so you either have to be very patient and/or try to get your package into Debian too.
[17:49] <hakermania> geser: We've heard that several times. But the thing is, will my package be working in Debian for sure?
[17:50] <udienz> geser: okay. ic ic, every people have business. its ok for me. i don't have any package for review yet
[17:50] <geser> Debian and Ubuntu aren't that different. What makes you believe it won't work there?
[17:50] <udienz> because i have trouble at copyright :(
[17:51] <hakermania> geser: Idk, has Debian gconftool, imagemagick ??
[17:51] <udienz> *upstream
[17:53] <geser> hakermania: sure to both (if in doubt you can use packages.debian.org to search for packages or files). Debian has also Gnome packaged. Although not at the same version like in Ubuntu but that shouldn't be a problem here.
[17:54] <geser> you program would probably even work on Suse or Fedora (package names might be different in the RPM world but that is it)
[17:54] <udienz> hakermania: try to fix some bugs or make some patch. so your spirit keep up :)
[17:55] <hakermania> udienz: What are you talking about ?
[17:55] <udienz> :0 sorry for my bad english
[17:55] <udienz> hakermania: check http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/
[17:56] <hakermania> udienz: What is this?
[17:58] <hakermania> geser: Can you give me if you can  a direct link for a 32-bit image of Debian ? They have mess it a lot in the website!
[17:59] <hakermania> udienz: I got it, you mean to make patches for already existed BUGS. Right?
[17:59] <udienz> rught
[17:59] <udienz> *right
[18:00] <hakermania> I'll have a look on it later. :) Thx
[18:01] <geser> hakermania: for live-cd or installation?
[18:01] <hakermania> geser: Live-cd provides installation, so live-cd please, thx
[18:01] <geser> I'm not so sure if the Debian live-cd also provides an install feature like the Ubuntu one
[18:02] <hakermania> Ok, then installation (i'll have it on virtualbox anyway)
[18:03] <geser> http://debian.org/CD/netinst/ if you have a useable internet connection
[18:04] <geser> I know Debian has also DVD images for download too but I guess with netinst you might need to download less
[18:13] <hakermania> geser: Thx, May I ask one more thing: Do I have to cancel my upload to REVU to upload the package for Debian? Or, what is the procedure I have to follow now (what do you suggest?). Think that I must change the package's name (it should be 1ubuntu0 and not 0ubuntu1 or something like this!)
[18:16] <geser> hakermania: not sure about the proceures with REVU when you upload your package to mentors.debian.net. The version is -1 as this will be the first revision of this package and upstream version in Debian.
[18:18] <hakermania> geser: My next package will definitely go through debian first!!! Unfortunately there are not enough MOTUs in Revu! I am afraid that revu will soon close :(
[18:19] <udienz> hakermania: hm... cool down..
[18:21] <hakermania> udienz: If people continue forcing to upload at Debian first, all contributors will upload for Ubuntu first. So, what will be the use of Revu when everybody (and some MOTUs(!)) suggest passing your package to Debian ?
[18:21] <geser> hakermania: the lack of MOTUs is nothing new, the situation is since at least two releases the same
[18:22] <hakermania> geser: 2 releases is 1 year two months. It's not that much.
[18:23] <geser> getting the package into Debian benefits Debian and Ubuntu and I hope the uploader continues to maintain his package in future
[18:23] <geser> perhaps even 3 releases, don't know exactly when as it was a slow change
[18:24] <geser> the reason I don't do reviews in REVU anymore is that I got the impression that REVU tends to attract "package-and-forget" packagers. Once they package gets into Ubuntu they vanish
[18:25] <geser> and the packages increases the MOTU workload
[18:25] <geser> in practice this means that nobody will upgrade it and it will bit-rot in the archive
[18:26] <hakermania> geser: Why this isn't happening in Debian?
[18:26] <hakermania> Why isn't this happening in Debian?*
[18:27] <geser> it happens there too, but Debian has many more developers (several hundred) so there is bigger chance that someone (or a team) adopts this package or does work on it as part of QA
[18:29] <hakermania> geser: Why Debian has more developers? Is Debian thought to be better than Ubuntu?
[18:29] <geser> hakermania: Debian exists longer so they had more time to attract more developers
[18:32] <udienz> hakermania: IMHO, before you upload your package and ask someone to review. its better when you help motu team, try to fix bugs, solving bug with patch or debdiff
[18:32] <udienz> !link Debdiff
[18:32] <udienz> :D
[18:33] <udienz> well i'm not MOTU
[18:33] <geser> Ubuntu's first release was around 2004 (if I remember correctly, too lazy to look it up) while Debian exists since 1993 or so
[18:33] <udienz> but i'm ready to help
[18:34] <geser> for comparison: last I looked up the numbers (some months ago) MOTU had around 100 members in total and around 50 active members
[18:35] <geser> sometimes I've the impression new MOTUs get approved at the same rate as other MOTUs vanish (busy with real life or other things)
[18:35] <crimsun> and, sadly, as we specialize, we tend to spend less time in what-used-to-be-universe
[18:36] <nigelb> what-used-to-be-universe?
[18:36] <geser> that too
[18:36] <nigelb> it is now unseeded?
[18:36] <ebroder> Well, it's still universe, but that probably won't last long
[18:36] <geser> when I stated crimsun was more active as MOTU like today (he focuses now on sound issues)
[18:36]  * ebroder is kind of sad. Master Of The Unseeded just doesn't have the same ring
[18:37] <hakermania> Omg, all these sound very important to me. Have you called the police to inform the people that Ubuntu will close down :P
[18:37] <hakermania> ?
[18:37] <nigelb> ebroder: Gardener of the unseeded? ;)
[18:38] <udienz> :D very interested discussion
[18:38] <hakermania> hakermania: Glad to be the seeder of it :P
[18:39] <hakermania> I think I feel an attraction for Debian too :( I hate myself telling this. I swear-ed to be faithful with Ubuntu. :/
[18:40] <nigelb> Well, tbh, a good deal of Ubuntu developers are Debian developers or Debian maintainers.
[18:42] <hakermania> nigelb: Ubuntu has only a few only-ubuntu-developers as I can see :/ So, do something good and go review my package so to be attracted to Ubuntu :D xD (haha)
[18:42] <nigelb> I'm not an ubuntu developer yet.
[18:43] <udienz> hakermania: don't force anyone
[18:43] <udienz> please..
[18:43] <hakermania> udienz: It was only a joke :)
[18:44] <geser> nigelb: you still can do reviews if you want but not advocate
[18:46] <nigelb> geser: I could, but then I'd rather have packages coming from Debian myself
[18:49] <udienz> ended? :D
[18:50] <udienz> hakermania: hot about fix some bugs? or make pacth
[18:50] <hakermania> udienz: Why are you so fix-bug-maniac ?
[18:52] <hakermania> I don't want to fix other's errors. it's their job to fix them.
[18:52] <nigelb> That attitude doesn't help really.
[18:52] <udienz> hakermania: as geser says before, many "packaging-and-forget"
[18:53] <maco> packages that are being submitted to revu and that then all the rest of the motu are going to have to pick up the slack on because the original submitter is ignoring its bugs?  those are exactly the sort we /dont/ want
[18:53] <udienz> hakermania: you can prove that you aren't not "packaging-and-forget"
[18:54] <maco> i once told persia i didnt think i could apply to motu because i didnt submit things through revu before and he was like "no no! we dont need more stuff on our plate! if you just want to maintain whats already there, thats great!"
[18:54] <hakermania> udienz: Go private and explain me please how to make a patch, I can't help attacking :P
[18:56] <hakermania> udienz: Really. I'm not joking.
[18:57] <udienz> hakermania: just PM me, but i'm not expert at packaging, i still learn at here
[18:57] <udienz> its better when we studied together at here
[18:58] <hakermania> Ok, I know how to package an application, but I don't know how to make a patch for a bug. Can you help me a  bit?
[18:59] <hakermania> Btw, I don't think that the channel is suitable for how-to-patch discussions!
[18:59] <udienz> hakermania: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems
[19:00] <udienz> try do read all pages under PackagingGuide
[19:00] <hakermania> thx
[19:00] <udienz> and motu have many videos
[19:00] <hakermania> "try" That's the correct word. I will.
[19:00] <nigelb> hakermania: This channel is perfectly fine for how-topatch discussions btw :)
[19:00] <hakermania> nigelb: Ok
[19:07] <hakermania> I must go now..!
[23:33] <ScottK> Next time someon sees bilalakhtar/cdbs please give him a good whack in the head for uploading stuff without test building and then ask him how he plans to fix courier.