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ko2hello, how can i use the native manufacturer's accelerated graphics driver in KDE? i think the "default" is that this option is NOT set, right?00:21
Walzmynko2: have you just made a new installation?00:22
ko2yes, a new installation of Kubuntu Hardy Heron, and then updated, and installed libeigen2 from PPA and libdc1394 from PPA00:22
ko2but i am not logged in in Kubuntu at the moment00:22
Walzmynko2: ok, go to the Kmenu>>applications>>system >> hardware drivers00:23
ko2and then? i have no kubuntu at the moment00:23
Walzmynyou hvae no kubuntu?00:24
ko2i have kubuntu, but not here now00:24
ko2i am online with ubuntu lucid lynx00:24
Walzmynso your in gnome?00:25
ko2yes00:25
Walzmynok, it may not be in the same location, but there will be a hardware driver application that will allow you to pick your propritary driver00:25
ko2ok00:25
Walzmynyou might be able to hit alt-f2 and find it easier00:25
Walzmynbut You'll need to switch over to #ubuntu if you want more help, I don't know gnome at all00:26
ko2my problem is as follows: i have Kubuntu Hardy Heron and installed a program. But there is a problem with displaying/rendering. It MIGHT help to use the native manufacturer's accelerated graphics driver in KDE.00:27
ko2lspci | grep -i vga00:27
ko200:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated00:27
ko2Graphics Controller (rev 02)00:27
ko2that is the grapgics driver i have on the pc where Kubuntu is installed00:27
ko2what is kubuntu using if it is NOT using the native manufacturer's accelerated graphics driver?00:28
Walzmynko2: have you tried going into the recovery mode and repairing X?00:28
Snowhogko2: Did you install mesa-utils?00:29
ko2no i did not try the recovery mode? Why? I have to say that i am rather new to linux (not so new but rather new then a professional)00:29
ko2i did not install the mesa-utils on my own as an extra, but maybe it was installed with kubuntu automatically?00:29
Walzmynif the instal is trying to use the wrong driver or something, the recover can set things back to default and you can go from there00:30
James147ko2: why are you running such an old version of kubuntu? also, you can install kde alongside gnome in ubuntu by installing "kubuntu-desktop" from the software center00:30
ko2i have to use a usb camera which only runs on hardy heron00:30
ko2is there any advantage if i installed ubuntu with gnome, and then installed KDE (deinstalling GNOME)?00:31
Walzmyndamned goofy names, what number is hardy?00:31
ko2hardy is 8.0400:31
Walzmynwhy will the camera only run on 8.04?00:32
ko2because the driver uses closed source kernel module for the access to the usb00:33
ko2it is an older camera with the older driver. The newer cameras run with Lucid Lynx00:34
Walzmyndude, for $25 you can get a camera that'll run with no special drivers at all00:34
ko2it's an industrial camera, not just a webcam00:35
Walzmynoh00:35
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ko2I have Ubuntu Hardy Heron on my notebook, too. If i uninstall GNOME, will that cause any problems with my nvidida graphics driver (i installed that manually from Nvidia because my graphics card is too new for Hardy Heron)?00:45
ko2i want to install KDE00:45
Walzmynthe nvidia driver is a module for the kernel, KDE and Gnome are just packages that run on top of X they won't affect the driver00:47
rand0mhello, does anyone know of a free VPN service that works well with kubuntu/linux? UltraVPN seems abandoned01:35
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yofelrand0m: openvpn?01:37
yofelwait, you said service, no idea then01:38
rand0mwith openVPN would i need to make my own server .. or could i connect to avoid censorship like UltraVPN ?01:40
rand0mbecause i guess theorectiacly i could make a server at home for me to connect to, but not a option right now01:41
rand0mtheoretically*01:41
BajK_Is it somehow possible loading the nouveau open source driver and still using the proprietary in an X session?01:44
BajK_i.e. I have a nice full resolution plymouth splash (via KMS supporting Nouveau) while still using the proprietary driver for the X session?01:44
James147BajK_: not as far as I know, but that bug is fixable01:45
BajK_how? since 10.10 I don't even get the graphical screen, I am presented with the text plymouth screen01:45
BajK_(and in Vbox as well.. sometimes)01:46
James147BajK_: looking up the link now...01:46
BajK_in 10.04 I at least had the low color graphics screen01:46
BajK_I heard of something like modifying grub‘s kernel string to add the vbeinfo stuff and enable the higher resolution this way01:48
James147BajK_: yeah, thats along the lines of what I did01:48
James147BajK_: http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml01:49
BajK_James147: thx, I'll give it a try. It says 1280x1024, will it support 1920x1080 out of the box? or should I stick with a lower 16:9 resolution i.e 1280x720 ?01:51
James147BajK_: the values in the tutorial are probally just examples, it should be fine with anything your monitor can suport01:52
BajK_okay01:53
BajK_restarting.01:54
BajK_okay now I at least have the graphical logo but at 640x480, maybe 1920x1080 is just too high for that workaround. trying with 1280x72002:02
BajK_James147: Definitly looks brilliant now. thanks :)02:07
BajK_so, now I turn on my computer, have some stupid bios messages, then there is the brilliant kubuntu plymouth splash, then the X starts up and I have a kde splash scree that looks exactly like the plymouth theme and then there‘s the desktop :)02:07
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kawelohi02:31
kaweloanyone on?02:31
James147kawelo: Hi02:32
zerothisI'm trying to install larn. Now down to compiling from source.  The makefile is HTML formatted?02:58
valoriewhat's larn?03:07
well_laid_lawnit's an old cli game from 198603:08
valorieah03:08
valoriehtml markup sounds....bad03:08
valorieespecially for a CLI game03:08
valorielike poorly done irony03:09
* yofel wonders if he should install hardy somewhere so he can play moagg again03:10
yofelI somehow miss that :/03:10
valoriein a vm?03:10
valorieI think hardy was my first kub.03:11
yofelprobably, maybe ubuntu-vm-builder works again, failed to create a hardy one last time I tried it03:11
valoriewhat was before that?03:11
yofelgutsy03:11
valorieah.....lost in the mists of time03:11
valorieunless I find an old CD somewhere03:12
yofelget the iso from http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ :P03:12
valoriemake up a fake old history of long use?03:14
valorielol03:14
yofelheh03:14
binkulahullo04:21
brhad56hell oh04:35
binkulahi :)04:35
binkulaI'm almost done upgrading to 10.10 :304:36
binkulaI'm excited04:36
brhad5610.4 kind of pissed me off, seemed to break alot of my stuff.  10.10 fixed it all though.  I like it04:37
binkulathat's good04:37
racinesHelp! My Kubuntu desktop is totally messed up!06:43
racineshttp://i.imgur.com/zKn0N.png06:43
racinesI dont know what happened06:43
racinesRunning Kubuntu 10.1006:44
racineswhat happened to the plasma desktop?06:44
racineso_o06:44
macothat's plasma netbook06:45
macothough the widget that lets you switch between Search & Launch and Page One is missing06:45
macofrom the panel06:45
racinesI must have closed it by accident06:45
racinesi dont even know what "page one" is06:45
macoits a thing that lets you scroll widgets so you can fit more of them on the screen since on a netbook its hard to fit many at a time06:46
macodo you want to go back to plasma desktop or keep plasma netbook? it wouldve automatically chosen which to use based on resolution, but you can switch it in system settings -> workspace06:47
racinesis it going to automatically go to netbook each time?06:47
racinesI am using a netbook but I prefer the plasma desktop06:47
macono it should only do it on first run06:48
macoafter that it should use what you set06:48
jschallis there a way to roll all the latest updates along with some PPA updates (kubuntu-ppa, mainly) into an install iso? i don't care if it fits on a CD, i'd be using a flash drive to install.07:53
CQhello, I have a laptop that boots up to the point where teh kubuntu screen with the marchingdots appears and then stops ... any suggestions? I've tried with several kernels, same result ... maybe reinstall teh base X package?08:00
valorieI unfortunately have no answers for either of you, but keep in mind it is a slow time on a December weekend......08:02
valorieall my IRC channels are dead.....08:02
moetunesCQ:  have you read the x log to see what is going on?08:03
CQmoetunes: gimme a few minutes, I'll have a look... rescue mode booting works fine08:08
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CQmoetunes: http://pastebin.com/F6AEHi95 has the failsafe.log08:46
moetunesCQ:  there was no xorg.0.log?08:47
CQmoetunes: yes, there is... the failsafe one fails teh same way... i run it, and it exits out08:47
moetunesk08:47
CQmoetunes: http://pastebin.com/KXZSbncP for the Xorg.0.log08:48
moetunesCQ:  the Xorg.0.log doesn't seem complete and the failsafe one doen't mention why it failed - is there a xsession.errors file in your home dir to check?08:52
CQmoetunes: shouldn't be, it never gets close to the login screen...08:53
GabrielYYZmaybe check the kern.log? just a thought08:54
moetunesCQ:  ok - those files you posted don't give us a clue - did this happen after an update or you installed something?08:54
CQmoetunes: the last xsession.errors is from june...08:54
moetunesk08:54
CQmoetunes: yes, after an update, but it's been about half a year or more, i seldom use this box in kubuntu ... I figured I'd wait a while and see if updates fixed it... I just reinstalled xserver-xorg-core08:55
CQanything else to reinstall that would simulate a reinstall of the system?08:56
CQone more think I think, after the upgrade, even with older kernels it wouldn't boot anymore...08:56
CQthat's why I'm focused on something to do with X08:57
CQreinstalling didn't seem to change anything, ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work either ... let me go back to failsafe and look at the sys logs...08:57
moetunesCQ:  it might be a kde issue not x08:57
CQmoetunes: strange, the CUP fan goes to top speed when it's hanging though...08:59
stevohello09:00
moetunesCQ:  X seems to start and close fine by the log - could you paste /usr/bin/startkde ?09:00
CQmoetunes: http://pastebin.com/rJHbsya209:02
CQmoetunes: kern.log doesn't show anything interesting either ...09:07
moetunesk09:07
CQmoetunes: any ideas on what else to --reinstall ?09:09
Peace-CQ: problem ?09:10
moetunesCQ:  sometimes startkde doesn't get written right on updates but yours seems fine - nothing jumps up as an obvious thing to reinstall yet09:10
CQPeace-: I have a laptop that boots up to the point where teh kubuntu screen with the marchingdots appears and then stops ... any suggestions? I've tried with several kernels, same result ... maybe reinstall teh base X package?09:11
moetunesCQ:  when the marching dots stop does it return you to tty?09:12
moetunesCQ:  when the marching dots stop does it return you to tty1?09:12
Peace-CQ: did it work before?09:12
Peace-i mean before you got the desktoo?09:12
CQmoetunes: in a normal boot they never start, I get the screen with the dots and then it goes black with a cursor and nothing works anymore09:12
CQPeace-: it used to work until an update a year or so ago...09:13
Peace-CQ: kde version ?09:13
Peace-CQ: kernel version ?09:13
Peace-kubuntu version ?09:13
CQmoetunes: failsafe x goes into graphics mode and then right back to the selection menu09:13
CQkernel 2.6.32-26-generic09:14
CQlatest lucid system09:14
moetunesCQ:  and you can move the cursor?09:14
Peace-CQ: have you tried with another user?09:14
CQno... not with return, space, or arrows.09:14
CQPeace-: I never even get close to the logon screen09:14
Peace-CQ: sudo adduser MYUSER ; sudo adduser MYUSER admin09:15
Peace-CQ: ok lets try to fix the box with this09:15
Peace-CQ: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/10/31/try-to-fix-your-kubuntu-box-with-kernel-recovery/09:15
Peace-CQ: but before09:16
Peace-CQ: save this like a bash script09:16
CQPeace-: I can get into a root shell just fine, just nothing X works09:16
Peace-CQ: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/08/reinstall-kde/09:16
Peace-CQ: so if you can get the terminal like root09:16
Peace-CQ: try to add an user09:16
Peace-and log in with that09:16
moetunesCQ:  X works it is a kde error09:17
CQmoetunes: fine, but if it's a KDE error, it doesn't get close tothe user...09:17
Peace-if so CQ like said moetunes you should try to reinstall kde desktop09:17
Peace-CQ: when you upgrade some upgrade could mess the system09:17
Peace-so .. in these cases you neeed to reinstall kde09:18
Peace-the most of times it work09:18
Peace-s09:18
CQPeace-: ouch, can one of you paste one of those reinstalls in such a way that I can wget it' I can't copy paste them fro a web browser obviously...09:18
CQor sec, let me wget that page ..09:18
Peace-CQ: like said in my article09:18
Peace-CQ: you can save the string like a bash script09:19
Peace-when you get the terminal like root09:19
Peace-you can load the script09:19
Peace-./mynamescript09:19
Peace-of course you need netroot09:19
Peace-...09:19
CQPeace-: I know, just getting it from a web page was the issue... I have it now and just need to cut the HTML out09:20
Peace-CQ: there is... a little button09:20
Peace-with copy the code ...09:20
Peace-omg09:21
Peace-CQ: are you a gnome guy?09:21
Peace-xD09:21
moetuneshe has no gui09:21
Peace-moetunes: live cd ...09:21
Peace-live cd , copy the code... create the script09:22
Peace-reboot... netroot09:22
Peace-run the script09:22
Peace-.09:22
CQPeace-: I have no gui, #only text, hence wget, vi, sh ...09:22
Peace-CQ: use a live cd...09:22
Peace-or a live usb09:22
Peace-or wait09:23
Peace-i will upload on my dropbox09:23
CQPeace-: stop, just let me breathe for a sec, I have the reinstall script.09:23
Peace-CQ: make it executable...09:23
Peace-chmod +x nameyoucalledthescript09:24
CQPeace-: I've been doing unix for 20 years, I know how to run a script, thanks .. ;)09:25
Peace-CQ: well... then :S09:25
Peace-strange you can't get how to fix stuff09:25
CQit's running now ... problem was there was a special character in front of akonadi-server so apt told me akonadi-server didn't exist as a package09:26
CQPeace-: I can fix stuff, but if I don't know where teh problem is it's alittle difficult09:26
Peace-when you upgrade packages there is always the probability that some new package has not installed well09:27
Peace-bad packages...09:27
Peace-strange thing .09:27
Peace-strnage new configurations files .... iincompatibility with old one09:28
Peace-always the same stuff everytimes09:28
christopherhey everyone, can someone link me to a very basic overview of how to use IRC? first time user here09:32
Peace-CQ: yes bad special character09:32
Peace-CQ: fixing the script :S09:32
Peace-christopher: complete a name first...09:32
Peace-christopher:  ch the press TAB09:32
Peace-then...09:33
Peace-dunno xD09:33
Peace-well i don't care about irc too much09:33
christophercomplete a name?09:33
moetunes!tab09:33
GabrielYYZchristopher: which client are you using?09:33
ubottuYou can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.09:33
christopherkonversation09:34
GabrielYYZchristopher: some commands to get you started: http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/konvi-cmds.html09:35
CQmoetunes: Peace- ok, reinstall done, retrying...09:35
moetunesluck09:36
Peace-CQ: remember to create a new user to test it09:36
Peace-..09:36
Peace-CQ: make sure after that you have typed even this09:36
CQno luck, same issue.09:36
Peace-sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop09:36
christopherGabrielYYZ: thanks very much, the list is great. now I just have to figure out how to change my user name?09:37
moetunesCQ:  tried moving ~/.kde to ~/kde.bak and logging in ?09:37
christopherI guess I can do that from within the client09:38
GabrielYYZchristopher: for that, you do "/nick *name you want*" without the quotes or asterisks09:38
CQPeace-: it fails _before_ getting to the login prompt, so I woudl assume that it has nothing to do with the user...09:39
Peace-remove all kde packages09:39
Peace-purge everything09:39
Peace-clean the cache09:39
Peace-reinstall kde from a nice repository.09:40
Peace-seems a esotic repository in ?09:40
CQit looks like it stops working when it wants to go from teh dancing dots screen tot eh login screen...09:40
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cdybeijingthanks GabrielYYZ... got it09:41
GabrielYYZcdybeijing: christopher?09:42
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Peace-CQ: or it's a kernel issue... or it's a kde issue09:42
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CQhttp://pastebin.com/q3psyidq sources.list ... all normal...09:42
cdybeijingyes09:42
Peace-CQ: video card?09:42
CQPeace-: if it's a kernel issue, it's across at least 6 kernels...09:43
GabrielYYZcdybeijing: if you want to register that nick do "/msg nickserv password email" password being the password you want and email, the email for that nickname09:43
CQPeace-: fujitsu siemens p7010d lifebook09:43
GabrielYYZcdybeijing: sorry, it's "/msg nickserv register password email"09:43
Peace-CQ: hey kid i am trying to help you don't try to kidding me09:44
moetunesCQ:  can you try startkde from a tty to bypass kdm the login screen?09:44
CQPeace-: I'm not kidding you... I've tried with all the kernels I have installed, and the notebook is that old...09:45
CQmoetunes: sorry, just following Peace- 's suggestion to remove all dke packages and reinstall09:45
moetunesk09:46
CQarh... forgot --purge ... can I somehow purge all configuration files from deinstalled packages =09:46
CQ?09:46
cdybeijingGabrielYYZ: I assume that registered nick is only good for use on Freenode? if I want the same nick on other servers, I have to register there too?09:46
moetunesworth a try09:47
CQcdybeijing: other servers have the same nicks, other IRC networks you have to reregister (oftc.net for example)09:47
GabrielYYZyeah, CQ beat me to it09:48
cdybeijingsorry CQ, what's the difference between a server and a nick? in my original question, maybe I should have said network instead of server, I was thinking of quakenet, ircnet, etc09:48
cdybeijingI obviously have to reregister new nicks at each one I guess09:49
macocdybeijing: yes09:49
macocdybeijing: apt-get purge package09:49
macoitll work even after  remove (or at least aptitude purge does, and this is supposed to work the same)09:49
cdybeijingthat does what maco?09:49
GabrielYYZcdybeijing: that's not for you09:49
GabrielYYZxD09:49
macoer dang wrong tab09:49
macowas for cq09:49
CQaptitude purge ~c does it09:50
CQok, installingkubuntu-desktop09:50
cdybeijinggreat help from everyone, and I'm not even a kubuntu user - haven't tried anything other than GNOME yet :)09:51
Peace-:S09:51
Peace-gnome is old xD09:51
Peace-we are .... kde 4.6 beta209:51
GabrielYYZgive kubuntu a try some day, you'll be amazed09:51
Peace-of course purging pulse cdybeijing09:52
wesleyi'm slowly softening up to kubuntu09:52
Peace-xD09:52
wesleyi can't stand this plasma stuff09:52
Peace-kubuntu needs only purge pulse for evil audio card09:52
Peace-and some stuff to increase the speed if youi don't need database09:52
Peace-akonadi stuff xD09:53
cdybeijingwell, it's been mind opening just making the switch to a user friend linux distro in the first place - only happened about 6 months ago due to frustrations and comp problems09:53
cdybeijingit's a whole new world, really, being freed from the windows chains09:53
Peace------> kubuntu 100 mb of ram usage http://nowardev.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/nonepomucknoserachstuff.png?w=600&h=45009:53
Peace-http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/trick-faster-kubuntu/09:53
GabrielYYZcdybeijing: i switch to linux in october, switched from ubuntu to kubuntu about 3 weeks ago :P09:53
GabrielYYZswitched to linux*09:54
cdybeijingvery similar to me then09:54
cdybeijingI think I switched from windows in August though09:54
Peace-3 years old :) the same stuff cdybeijing09:54
wesleykubuntu has this nice polished look that gnome didn't09:55
Peace-cdybeijing: if you try kde look a this and how to configure well dolphin... there are images http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2010/11/07/what-you-should-want-to-do-on-kubuntu-10-04/09:55
GabrielYYZi might be crazy but i like nepomuk and akonadi :S09:57
GabrielYYZand strigi09:57
Peace-GabrielYYZ: well i need speed :)09:57
Peace-before stringi nepo adn akonadi09:57
GabrielYYZyeah, i guess mileage may vary09:58
Peace-anyway i have to go.. italy time... time to eat09:59
CQPeace-: ok, didn't work either ...09:59
CQmaybe it's time for a reinstall... faster.09:59
GabrielYYZpeace: before you go, is that nowardev blog yours?09:59
cdybeijingif I really wanted to read an in depth comparision of gnome and kde, where should I look?10:00
Peace-GabrielYYZ: yea10:00
GabrielYYZcdybeijing: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/kdegnome that one's pretty good10:01
cdybeijingunfortunately Peace wordpress is blocked in China10:01
CQcdybeijing: just try both... isntall ubuntu, then install kubuntu-desktop package and switch between them and see what you like better, rest of the system is the same10:01
GabrielYYZPeace-: in the 3rd link you posted, WARMING should be WARNING. :)10:01
Peace-GabrielYYZ: xD10:01
cdybeijingjust find that in the repository CQ?10:02
Peace-here there is hot xD10:02
GabrielYYZlol10:02
CQcdybeijing: yep, or fromteh command line sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop10:02
Peace-GabrielYYZ: fixed10:02
Peace-ty10:03
GabrielYYZno prob10:03
Peace-GabrielYYZ: anyway i am nowardev you will find some nice service menu... and some little script10:03
dmithiyhi10:03
Peace-i have no time at all but some could be usefull for a kde user10:03
CQspeaking of which, which package do I need to install to run gnome desktop? It's not gnome-desktop ...10:04
GabrielYYZubuntu-desktop10:04
CQGabrielYYZ: duh. should have figured it out after the other one is kubuntu-desktop ;)10:05
GabrielYYZhaha everyone has blonde moments :P10:06
Anubishi. is anyone here who worked with ucarp ?10:15
CQAnubis: try #debian maybe ... often more techies in there10:18
CQPeace-: well, it's not KDE, gdm doesn't start either10:20
Peace-CQ: fresh reinstall10:21
Peace-i have no idea what is happening to your system10:21
Peace-kde is ok gnome is ok10:21
Peace-kernel ??10:21
Peace-drivers?10:21
Peace-guess you should try a live cd...10:22
CQPeace-: yeah, before I look there it's easier and quicker to reinstall10:22
CQalready wasted too much time on this, but it's fun to play10:22
Peace-CQ: when you have done , make your own iso...10:22
Peace-with every package installed...10:23
Peace-i have make mine .. 1.7 gigs of stuff10:23
CQPeace-: not needed, this is a multimedia system... openoffice removed, kaffeine and a music player sintalled done10:23
Peace-if something go bad... i use that10:23
Peace-CQ: multimedia? nice10:23
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Peace-CQ: anyway... consider to use remastersys,,,10:25
CQPeace-: best use for an old laptop ...10:25
Peace-i use this to do this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_qn2Mb_isx810:26
Peace-so automatically create video project10:26
Peace-with kdenlive10:26
tdnI use Kubuntu 10.04 LTS and I cannot mount DVDs or CDs. When I look in the "Devices recently plugged in" and press "Clik to access device" (to mount it), it says: "Cannot mount the disc."10:56
tdnWhat can cause this problem? How do I fix it?10:58
tdnI have tried with several different CDROMs, audio cds, dvds, etc.10:58
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rorktdn: The only thing I can think of is to check wether you're a member of the group "cdrom", you may also try mounting the cdrom as root. I can't help you further but if that doesn't solve the probleem maybe someone else can.11:01
tdnuid=1000(tdn) gid=1000(tdn) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),105(lpadmin),115(admin),116(sambashare),701(photo),1000(tdn)11:01
tdnFrom "id tdn", so I am a member11:01
tdnAlso, I can mount the drive manually from the console without a problem.11:02
Alarmhello, which is the best osx theme ?11:09
Alarmi find several on the web :/11:09
flixanHi all!11:27
Alarmcan macbuntu be installed on kubuntu ?11:44
Alarmcause i see it tries to install all gnome packages11:44
Peace-gnome software can be installed on kde11:46
Peace-but...11:46
Peace-kde doesn't need of gtk stuff11:46
Peace-there is always a qt stuff11:47
Alarmyes my problem is that after trying to install the macbuntu i saw too many gnome-relevant packages required11:47
Alarmso i guess i will be running gnome with the osx theme11:48
Alarmand not kde theme with the osx theme11:48
Alarmam i right ?11:48
Peace-Alarm: omg11:48
Alarmwhat?11:48
Peace-there are a lots of stuff mac style for kde11:48
Peace-you don't need gtk packages...11:48
Peace-there is fancy dock for example11:48
Peace-fot the doc11:48
Alarmwell i ended with macbuntu as this looked complete11:49
Peace-cupertino style for kde11:49
Peace-Alarm: well use google ... kde like mac11:49
Peace-or something like that11:49
Peace-there is for sure something like vistar711:49
Peace-but for mac11:49
Alarmok, i will give it a try11:49
Alarmthanks11:49
superwizardпривет12:15
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rork!ru superwizard12:20
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shane4ubuntuis there a way to get kopete to support irc???12:25
senorpedrohi folks12:28
Riddellhi senorpedro12:28
senorpedromy desktop basically just "died", meaning no background image and no toolbar anymore. how can i restart this?12:29
Riddellshane4ubuntu: kopete in KDE 4 doesn't do IRC, you'll need to use Quassel or Konversation12:29
Riddell(you can do fancy things like jabber to irc gateways if you really want)12:29
Riddellsenorpedro: alt+F2  plasma-desktop12:29
shane4ubuntuRiddell: ok, that is a bummer, I'm using pidgin currently, but when I close it it doesn't go to tray, it closes!12:29
senorpedrothx Riddell12:29
Riddellshane4ubuntu: there's a minimise button for that (but it won't go into the systray any more)12:30
shane4ubuntuRiddell: right, ok, thanks!12:31
shane4ubuntuRiddell: actually I got it!12:33
shane4ubuntuRiddell: I don't know what I installed, but now pidgin is in my sys tray, wish I knew what I did!  gotta run, thanks.12:34
Caine-ffslol12:34
shane4ubuntuRiddell: ohh, I think it was in the preferences of pidgin, show in system tray always12:35
shane4ubuntuRiddell: yep, that was it, ok, gotta run.12:35
dea有人在吗12:39
13WAAU0EHhow do I change icon spacing in KDE? the icons in my systemsettings are so far apart, on my mum's computer (fresh installation, mine is an upgraded 9.10) the icons are tight12:41
shreddingHello!12:46
shreddingThis is my 2nd day with kubuntu and i have another question.12:47
shreddingI've installed Gimp and configured Amarok, now these progs get started all the time, i start kubuntu.12:47
shreddingDoes anyone know how to prevent this?12:47
shreddingBoth are not listed in the KDE Control panel Autostart.12:48
Tm_Tshredding_: do you quit them before shutting down?12:55
shredding_Yes.12:55
shredding_I haven't used them the last times.12:56
Tm_Tshredding_: if you quit them using the menu instead of just closing the window, do they reappear still?12:56
shredding_Yes, I have quit them using the menu12:57
Tm_Thmmm, interesting12:57
shredding_That's what i thought.12:57
shredding_:)12:57
shredding_How can I see which tasks are running?12:58
trichardhey, i tried to install the dolphin-plugins in Kubuntu 10.10 but they don't seem to work13:09
chaparangaWhat's up?13:17
rorkTime?13:17
annahi all13:33
annai installed ubuntu netbook, tehn plasma-netbook, and then compiz. i started compiz, but can't use it :( what should i do?13:34
Riddellanna: your setup isn't clear.  are you logged into ubuntu netbook (unity) or kubuntu netbook (plasma)?  how did you start compiz?  What's wrong with the default window manager?13:36
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annaplasma13:42
annacompiz --replace. window manager is alright. but 3d accel isn't working13:43
annai mean cube of desktop or task switcher13:43
annawall of desktops is working perfect13:43
annahmm. i select "cube of desktops", and compiz fails :(13:49
brhad56SYstem->System Monitor13:59
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senorpedrohi folsk15:13
Alarmhello, i added a new panel and added in the panel some application shortcuts . the problem is that no matter how big i make the panel, the icons remain really small15:13
senorpedroi just installed 10.10 and have no nvidia support. which paket do i have to install for that?15:13
Alarmhow can i change that ? so that the icons will increase their size according to the panels size15:13
James147senorpedro: open "hardware drivers" from the menu (or jockey-kde in a terminal)15:15
Alarmfixed15:15
Alarmso , how do i fix now the menu of the gtk applications ?15:16
Alarmfirefox and xchat menu look weird :/15:16
James147Alarm: For firefox installing kde intergration might help: firefox-kde-support15:17
Alarmfirefox-kde-support is already the newest version.15:17
Alarmnot really15:18
Alarmi have it installed15:18
Alarmbut still see the menu on a different colour than the rest15:18
James147Alarm: then you could try: System settings > Application Appearence > GTK+ Appearance15:20
Alarmwidget style Qtcurve15:20
Alarmi suppose this option is correct15:21
James147Alarm: and do you ahve qtcurve installed?15:21
Alarmis this the gtk2-engines-qtcurve ?15:22
Alarmor kde-style-qtcurve ?15:22
Alarmactually i see different packages now. the gtk2-engines is installed15:22
Alarmqtcurve, kwin-style-qtcurve, kde-style-qtcurve are not installed15:23
James147Alarm: not sure if they are needed (I think they are to get it as a theme for kde)15:23
James147But installing them wont hurt ;)15:23
Alarmok i will check on google :) i think it was a good help to start with15:23
Alarm;)15:23
supermaghi, how do i reset the password on a older version of kubuntu ?15:32
James147supermag: you can try recovery mode, that should log you in as root with out a pasword, then type "passwd -u USERNAME" to change the password15:33
supermageven the drop to root option in the recover meny causes kubuntu to ask me for a password that i dont remember15:33
James147supermag: sorry, no -u... just "passwd USER"15:34
supermag" give root password for maintenace" ...15:34
James147supermag: then you can boot a live cd and chroot into the system and change the password that way :)15:34
AlarmPeace-, nah, i installed all the qtcurve packages15:36
Alarmnothing has changed15:36
supermagJames147: i will try15:38
supermagJames147:  sure thats the only option ?15:40
supermagJames147: i am not sure if the cd rom is ok,15:40
James147supermag: no... but if you cannot login or recovermode then livecd would be the easiest :)15:41
James147supermag: you can create a liveusb if you have a spare 1gig flash drive15:41
supermagthe bois does noe support booting formusb15:41
supermagfrom*15:42
James147:(15:42
supermagit's a old dell15:42
supermagit seems to boot from a cd, but i think it gets stuck at the splash screen, since it sounds like the cd rom is stuck in a sort of "read loop"15:45
supermagclick   wirrr, click wirr...15:46
supermagmaybe something is wrong with the cd image ?15:46
supermagi can hear the HD working15:46
James147supermag: then I am not sure what else you can do, except replace the cd rom or try an external one15:47
supermagthe dots on the splash image is moving..15:49
supermagand, i dont know how i remove the cover on that dell box..15:49
supermaguh oh.. udev(75) worker 123 unexpected eturn wit status 0x010015:50
James147supermag: its possible, you could try the cd check on the disk to see if its a good disk15:51
supermagi will try a older disc15:53
supermagkubuntu n6.815:53
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SReidI am using Blender in Kubuntu 10.10 and when I press ALT+Left-click to select edgeloops it allows me to nove the blender window and not the loop select I want. I've looked in the keyboard shortcut part of System settings and cannot find it to change to SUPER+click, can anyone help me?16:02
Peace-SReid: looking16:03
Peace-wait16:03
SReidthnx :)16:04
Peace-SReid: i canì't too16:06
Peace-SReid: try with blender shortcuts16:06
SReidsorry my text is bold sometimes, it makes my interface better16:07
senorpedrohi folks16:07
Peace-hi...16:07
senorpedrohow can i put the task bar to the top of the desktop? drag-n-drop like in windows doesnt work16:08
SReidi don't want to change blenders shortcuts want to keep to the standard. I searched for all ALT commands in shortcuts and not there, i found way to do it in older versions with a google search but it doesn't apply to 10.10...16:08
Peace-SReid: mm try in this way try to set super + left click for some stuff16:09
Peace-on kde16:09
Peace-so it will overwrite the shortcuts..16:09
Peace-then disable it16:09
SReidok will try thanks Peace16:09
Peace-senorpedro: task bar you mean ... the stuff you are open ?16:09
Peace-ed16:10
senorpedroPeace-, i already got it. thx anyway16:10
Peace-ok16:10
SReidPeace I found it! :D16:19
SReidSystem Settings > Window Behavior > Window Behavior ^_^16:19
senorpedrohi16:24
senorpedroi have nvidia driver installed (noveau), but i cant use the compiz desktop effects. why?16:25
senorpedroseems i have no glx extension16:27
senorpedrohow can i enable that?16:27
Alarmstill cannot find how to fix that menu issue on gtk applications16:29
Alarmnothing to be found on the web16:29
Alarmqtcurve and gtk engines are installed16:29
Alarmbut still menus look weird16:29
SReidis it related to fonts Alarm, I've had problems with qtcurve too16:29
Alarmwell fonts look just fine16:30
SReidMine arn't, I've had to bold everything, its why this text i write ya right now is bold sometimes16:30
Snowhogsenorpedro: Do you have mesa-utils installed?16:30
Alarmits just the colour on that area of the menus that looks brighter than the rest of the windows16:30
senorpedroSnowhog,16:30
senorpedroyes16:30
senorpedrosays no glx enabled16:30
Snowhogsenorpedro: Open your package manager and search on nvidia-glx16:31
senorpedroSnowhog, i have like 4 different ones: 96, 185, 180, 17316:32
Snowhogsenorpedro: Yes, and what version of the nvidia driver are you using?16:32
senorpedroi take 185 because it sounds like the newest one16:32
senorpedrodont know16:33
senorpedroi just installed 10.10 so i guess the kubuntu default driver16:33
Snowhogsenorpedro: You want to match the nvidia-glx to the version of the video driver you are using.16:33
senorpedroi think i use the nouveau driver16:34
Snowhogsenorpedro: ?? Are you using the nvidia proprietary driver, or the free driver?16:34
senorpedrothe nouveau16:34
_mimicTraitorhi16:35
_mimicTraitorhi seno hi snow16:35
Snowhogsenorpedro: Is there a reason you didn't opt to install the nvidia driver via System > Additional Drivers?16:36
senorpedroSnowhog, as i just said, it is a fresh 10.10 installation. i didnt manually install any driver16:37
Snowhogsenorpedro: You might want to use the nvidia proprietary driver. The Additional Drivers utility will pull in and install the appropriate driver for your card.16:38
schweegihow can i get the microsoft fonts like verdana in kubuntu?17:07
Snowhogschweegi: Install the ttf-mscorefonts-installer package17:10
Snowhogschweegi: But it doesn't contain verdana.17:11
schweegiSnowhog: thanks. I've installed this package but in OpenOffice are'nt any of these fonts available.17:12
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Snowhogschweegi: See http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/TT-Debian-7.html  It might be helpful.17:20
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schweegiSnowhog: thanks17:24
Snowhogschweegi: :)17:25
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Snowhogschweegi: The font can be directly obtained here: http://www.filewatcher.com/m/VERDANA.TTF.139640.0.0.html17:43
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Snowhogschweegi: Once you have the font downloaded, just go to System Settings > Font Installer and add it.17:45
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jon_high9000Hi. I was wondering is there a waly to do a Partial upgrade to the next distro?17:53
jon_high9000Hi. I was wondering is there a way to do a Partial upgrade to the next distro?17:58
Snowhogjon_high9000: Partial upgrade? What exactly do you want to accomplish?18:03
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racinesI'm a bit stuck on how to download a python module from www.pygame.com in Kubuntu. I have tried: sudo apt-get install pygame however it isn't working18:11
racineshttp://pygame.org/download.shtml that would be the download page, looked under the Unix section18:11
charykuhey how do you get Konversation to run multiple connect commands? I know i'm a simpleton, but only just started using Ubuntu :P18:14
BajK_will installing fglxr increase compositing performance / graphics performance or can it not improve it compared to the default driver shipped with kubuntu?18:17
Snowhogcharyku: See http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/konvi-cmds.html18:18
charykucheers18:20
aboudreaultHi. how can I install kmail in kubuntu/maverick?18:27
aboudreaultLooks like the package is broken18:27
Snowhogaboudreault: kmail is part of Kontact - the PIM - and Kontact is installed by default.18:33
skaftii have browser plugin problem can anyone help18:37
rorkskafti: not if we don't know which browser, which plugin and what's the problem :)18:38
skafti:) Mozilla is the browser and the plugin im not sure of think java18:39
skaftithe problem is i cant stream some type of video18:40
skaftiim not so smart at this that i know the problem exacly18:40
aboudreaultSnowhog, it is not18:41
aboudreaultSnowhog, since I upgraded18:41
Snowhogaboudreault: Did you have Kontact installed before you upgraded?18:42
rorkskafti: do you have the address of the page or video you want to stream?18:42
skaftihttp://vefmidlar.visir.is/VefTV/?channelID=STOD2&programID=d93d6ddc-f3df-4c27-90e2-28d49738f306&mediaSourceID=e77c955e-04c3-488a-9f46-c7c71b224b5e&mediaClipID=3275262f-c804-4597-97d1-d95434c5a96e18:42
skaftiIcelandic news18:43
aboudreaultSnowhog, yes. but trying to install kmail report: unmet dependencies: libkdepim4 libkleo4 etc..18:43
Snowhogskafti: Does your browser ask about installing the required plugins when you try to play any of the streams?18:44
skaftijust get missing plugin and them im directed to install missing plugin and the "no sutable plugin found"18:44
Snowhogaboudreault: What are you using to try to install kmail?18:45
aboudreaultapt-get, as usual.18:45
Snowhogaboudreault: What version of KDE are you running?18:45
aboudreault4.5.418:46
aboudreaultinstalled via the kubuntu-ppa18:46
Snowhogaboudreault: Hmm. KDE 4.5.4 here as well, and Kontact/Kmail works just fine. Does Kontact work for you?18:47
aboudreaultlet try to start it18:47
rorkskafti: I see, Page Info > Media says there's some mplayer stream embedded, I think installing an mplayer or xine plugin for mozilla/firefox would do the job. Let me check18:47
aboudreaultSnowhog, no. can't start: error while loading shared libraries: libkontactinterface.so.418:48
aboudreaultno such file18:48
yofelaboudreault: do you have libkontactinterface4 installed?18:49
aboudreaultSnowhog, will install the package..18:49
Snowhogaboudreault: The library exists here. You can try reinstalling kontact: sudo apt-get install --reinstall --simulate kontact (this will simulate the results)18:49
aboudreaultok kontact works now. but I don't understand why kmail wants libkdepim4 4.4.7 when the repository has 4.4.818:51
rorkskafti: I installed "xine-plugin" from the repositories and it let me play the media (looks like a news broadcast)18:51
skaftiexacly :)18:52
yofelaboudreault: can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy libkdepim4', that's 4.4.7 here18:52
aboudreaultyofel, sure, 1 minute18:53
rorkskafti: `sudo apt-get install xine-plugin` (or whatever you like to use), restart your browser and you should get going18:53
Snowhogyofel: Same version here too.18:54
aboudreaultSnowhog, yofel : http://pastebin.ca/201755818:54
yofelright, someone copied 4.4.8 over to lucid but forgot maverick o.O18:55
aboudreaultyofel, yeah18:57
yofelI'll look where that got lost, for now disable the lucid ppa lines in software sources18:58
aboudreaultI have no lucid lines18:58
skaftiThank you once again rork youre the man18:59
yofelaboudreault: you have, if not it wouldn't offer you 4:4.4.8-0ubuntu1~lucid1~ppa119:00
superwizardshell19:00
Snowhog!shell | superwizard19:01
ubottusuperwizard: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal19:01
aboudreaultyofel, ha... I see something in sources.list.d/[...].save and .distUpgrade19:01
superwizardkshell19:02
superwizardlshell19:04
yofelsuperwizard: what are you looking for?19:04
Snowhogsuperwizard: What are you trying to find out?19:04
superwizardspell19:04
aboudreaultyofel, no lucid lines: http://pastebin.ca/2017566 (and the same result for apt-cache show)19:05
superwizardspell,shell,lshell?19:05
yofelaboudreault: and what does apt-cache policy tell you?19:05
aboudreaultyofel, http://pastebin.ca/201757119:06
superwizardbshell?19:07
yofelsuperwizard: you're not making any sense..19:07
SnowhogRiddell: Please take a look at superwizard19:07
yofelaboudreault: did you recently upgrade to maverick?19:07
aboudreaultyofel, seems to be a versionning problem19:07
aboudreaultyofel, no, just updated this week19:07
aboudreaults/no/yes19:07
yofelok, what happened: you updated kdepim in lucid, upgraded to maverick, but maverick doesn't have kdepim 4.4.8 yet, which is a problem :/19:08
aboudreaultha, that makes sense. I always do a apt-get upgrade before a dist-upgrade.19:09
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Walzmyni've got Debian running in a virtual box, when I kick in fluxbox it's MUCH bigger than my monitor, anybody know how to size it down?19:33
JunaosHi guys, quick question;  on occasion (a few times a day at least), whatever program I am currently using for sound (Whether it be a flash video in Google Chrome, or Amarok) will suddenly stop playing sound.  On further investigation, it no longer shows up in KMix or pavucontrol.  However, if I restart the app, everything is fine.  Any ideas (crossposted to #ubuntu)19:59
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Posimoin20:31
SnowhogPosi: English please.20:31
metrahi does anyone knows if its possible to transfer a web cam image from a linux OS , into a XP  ?20:44
metralive video20:44
metratrought a lan20:44
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shane4ubuntudoes anyone know what package has the volume control thing for the system tray?  I don't have a volume control thing20:54
shane4ubuntuohh, must be kmix20:56
ko2hello, could someone help me with this question: http://dpaste.com/285764/21:08
superwizardnmap21:08
ko2#join #kubuntu-de21:08
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ubottuko2: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis.21:09
asenssyhi there21:12
rorkhi21:12
asenssyi'm trying to get sound on hdmi21:12
asenssywhat i have to do21:12
asenssyi can't fix the hardwear to hdmi21:13
asenssyplease help me21:13
asenssywhen i use to do it on ubunutu21:13
asenssyi just did change hardwear from analog to hdmi21:14
asenssywhat i have to do now21:14
Snowhogasenssy: What is showing in System Settings > Mulitmedia21:16
asenssyonly internal audio analog stereo21:17
asenssythis is the only one output device21:18
asenssycan somebody help me21:20
Snowhogasenssy: Is Show advanced devices checked on that screen?21:20
boomixcan anyone help please21:21
asenssyinternal audio analog stereo21:23
asenssyis my21:23
asenssydefault output device21:23
asenssythere is no hdmi output device21:24
Snowhogasenssy: What version of Kubuntu, and was it an upgrade or new install?21:24
asenssyit is 10.1021:24
asenssybeta21:25
asenssyi'm new21:25
asenssyit was using ubuntu21:25
Snowhogasenssy: 10.10 'beta' ? From an older LiveCD install? 10.10 is not beta anymore.21:25
asenssyok21:26
asenssyi got it from ubuntu officiale website21:26
asenssythe latest kubunut21:26
asenssyi didn't have such problems with just ubuntu21:27
asenssyi just wanted to try it21:27
asenssyand everything went wrong21:28
Snowhogasenssy: Are you running from the LiveCD, or did you actually install it?21:28
asenssyi did install it21:28
asenssyno live cd21:28
asenssyi did boot from my hd21:29
Snowhogasenssy: K > System > Hardware Devices and see if it identifies special hardware on your PC. If it does, it should also download and install the drivers.21:31
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boomixwhy wont t-mobile dongles wont work on kubuntu...21:32
dthackerboomix:  t-mobile dongles?   wireless via mobile network?21:37
boomixyes dthacker21:39
dthackerboomix: error messages?21:40
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dthackerboomix: look up your hardware here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G21:42
HerbalHey, im trying to install Kubuntu Netbook via Wubi but it gives me an error when looking for the ISO to download21:45
Herbalhas the netbook version been pulled? I cant seem to find that version in the downloads either...21:48
SnowhogHerbal: The latest version of Kubuntu now contains both versions. During installation it detects (based on screen size?) and installs the 'appropriate' one. After installation, you can choose between the Netbook and Desktop.21:51
Herbalthank you Snowhog21:52
boomix13 days till santa!!!21:54
SnowhogHerbal: See http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release21:57
kaddihi, i'm looking for a simple and clean rss feed handler? Something that would give me the possibility to sort stuff by categories but thats about it. (for 64bit 10.10) Any suggestion and or preferences what I should try?21:57
kaddi!rss21:58
brhad56boomix: Santa is a lie21:58
boomixI once tried the stinky pinky on a guy and he jumped so high. I LOL'd21:59
brhad56I hope you have a vagina21:59
rorkkaddi: I use Akregator, it's the only one I tried but it's good enough to stick with it21:59
boomixMerry Fap-mas22:00
SnowhogKeep it clean here. Family oriented.22:00
rorkkaddi: it does what you ask and can be integrated with Kontact (all though that may trigger a bug where kontact doesn't close unless you close it with the Akregator tray icon)22:01
kaddirork: cool, i'll check that out :)22:01
FAMILIAhola22:32
FAMILIAhola22:34
FAMILIAholaahola22:34
FAMILIAalguien ahi22:35
FAMILIA?22:35
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NickStonefananyone here?23:50
SnowhogNickStonefan: Your question?23:51
NickStonefanI have Ubuntu 10.04 LTS which came with Gnome 2.30 I have also installed KDE 4.4.2 but how do I upgrade to latest version of KDE without having to upgrade to Kubuntu 10.10?23:52
James147NickStonefan: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-45  << how to upgrade to kde 4.5 on 10.1023:54
NickStonefani dont want 10.1023:55
James14710.04 sorry :)23:55
NickStonefanthank you23:55
NickStonefanwould you say it is ideal to upgrade to 4.5 or just stick to current version?23:56
James147NickStonefan: I found 4.5 much more responsive then 4.423:56
NickStonefanok thanx23:57
NickStonefanI'll check out kubuntu pages23:57
NickStonefanbye23:57
James147NickStonefan: I would recomended it if your willing to fix anything that `might` break... although that should be unlikly23:57

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