[03:26] <dooglus> 11.04 doesn't have a working wubi installer I don't think - I read that somewhere recently
[03:27] <nit-wit> dooglus, not for a lopng time
[03:27] <nit-wit> long
[03:28] <dooglus> nit-wit: that guy you were arguing with earlier was trying to do a wubi install
[03:28] <nit-wit> dooglus, who was I arguing withh I forget
[03:29] <dooglus> 'detrate'
[03:29] <dooglus> he had an ATI card which didn't work well in 10.10 so he was trying 11.04 but unable to install
[03:29] <dooglus> I have an ATI card which doesn't work well in 11.04 too
[03:29] <dooglus> what's that PPA you mentioned?
[03:29] <nit-wit> dooglus, it wasn't a arguement but realizing that the IRC is limited in its scope with new users
[03:30] <dooglus> ubuntu-x-swat?  what's in it?
[03:30] <nit-wit> dooglus, x-swat I get the link
[03:30] <bjsnider> ati cards do not work well in linux
[03:30] <dooglus> I have the link - but am currently in a virtual console due to X issues...
[03:30] <bjsnider> news flash
[03:31] <nit-wit> dooglus, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[03:31] <dooglus> nit-wit: thanks :)
[03:31] <dooglus> in 10.10 I could use the '-vo xv' mode in mplayer but it doesn't work in 11.04
[03:32] <dooglus> any idea why that might be?  unity is all messed up too, graphically
[03:32] <nit-wit> dooglus, I like the IRC but I find a real mix of the expert to the clueless I'm in their closer to the clueless, but I know when I'm there.;)
[03:32] <dooglus> nit-wit: I find I almost never get a useful answer to any question I ask in IRC
[03:33] <dooglus> nit-wit: I assume that puts me towards the expert end of the spectrum
[03:33] <dooglus> nit-wit: either that, or everyone hates me
[03:34] <nit-wit> dooglus, if they hate you they hate me welcome to the club.;)
[03:35] <dooglus> nit-wit: do you have an unanswered question I might be able to help you with?
[03:35] <nit-wit> dooglus, what is the meaning of life anyway, otherwise I'm just on the channels
[03:36] <dooglus> nit-wit: there is no meaning.  enjoy it while you can because you're a long time dead
[03:36] <dooglus> hope that helps
[03:36] <nit-wit> dooglus, star dust is what I am and always will be.
[03:37] <dooglus> nit-wit: boing boing recently told me that the days of the week were named after the 7 'planets' as they were thought to be in oldern times - saturnday, sunday, moonday, etc.
[03:38] <dooglus> but I fail to see how the other 4 refer to planels
[03:38] <dooglus> weird typo
[03:39] <nit-wit> dooglus, never heard that but heh why not, the funny thing is the matter carbon based life is made of wasn't created by the big bang but super nova's
[03:40] <nit-wit> hard to say if the big bang was anymore then a theory
[03:41] <nit-wit> is/was
[03:43] <dooglus> is it just me or is this channel a lot quieter than it has been for previous development cycles?
[03:44] <nit-wit> dooglus, I didn't know about it till a week ago
[03:44] <yofel> dooglus: it's alpha time, it'll be busier after like A3 and quite busy for beta
[03:46] <yofel> and the answer to the meaning of life is 42 by the way :P
[03:47] <dooglus> yofel: I just checked logfile sizes.  it's pretty much the same as this time last year
[03:47] <yofel> yeah, there aren't that many of us brave folks out there
[03:48] <dooglus> wikileaks.org is back up, but redirects to a real wiki.  odd.
[06:28] <error_203> hi any one can tell me how 11.04 alpha 1 is working
[06:28] <crimsun> carefully? sometimes? not at all?
[06:28] <crimsun> choose two of the three
[06:28] <holstein> i would say an advanced testing state
[06:28] <error_203> k
[06:28] <error_203> so it is stable or not
[06:29] <holstein> its in testing
[06:29] <error_203> i mean to say that is it is good
[06:29] <holstein> i wouldnt call it stable til its done
[06:29] <error_203> k
[06:29] <holstein> depends on what your doing
[06:30] <holstein> and how adventerous you are i suppose
[06:30] <error_203> is 3d features in it ?
[06:31] <error_203> its on unity?
[06:31] <holstein> unity AFAIK
[06:31] <holstein> im here more for ubuntustudio
[06:31] <holstein> which is still on gnome
[06:32] <error_203> oh
[06:32] <error_203> m only come here to know abt this m using bt4
[06:32] <holstein> i think there is so many changes going on
[06:32] <holstein> you really need to just grab a live daily
[06:32] <holstein> and see about it
[06:33] <error_203> don't have much time, working related to security pen testing using backtrack
[06:33] <error_203> k thanx buddy c u again
[06:34] <holstein> :)
[10:57] <coz_> good day
[11:38] <TopGear> hey
[11:39] <TopGear> the grub in kubuntu 11.04 doesn't do what I want it to do...
[11:39] <TopGear> It gives me an Unknow Filesystem error
[13:36] <TopGear> hello foks
[13:36] <TopGear> folks
[13:36] <TopGear> the grub in kubuntu 11.04 doesn't do what I want it to do...
[13:36] <TopGear> unknown file system
[13:36] <TopGear> what should i do to fix it?
[14:51] <BUGabundo> guud afternuun o/
[15:32] <CosmiChaos> yehaa i'm diving through the ocean of failure right on the back of a crumpy narwhale :D
[17:05] <Bookman> Holy cow, is this the way Ubuntu is going????  With this new interface?
[17:09] <penguin42> Bookman: It's less bad than I feared, although it's still being worked on I guess, and it seems easier to disable than I'd feared
[17:10] <Bookman> I am afraid I'm jumping ship!  I have 6 machines plus my PO
[17:10] <Bookman> S systems and I don't like where it is going.
[17:10] <penguin42> Bookman: I can understand - out of interest which ship are you jumping to?
[17:10] <Bookman> Mandriva
[17:11] <penguin42> nod, not tried that for a long time my self
[17:11] <Bookman> Yup.  Tried it way back in Mandrake 7.0 I believe
[17:12] <penguin42> Bookman: If you just want to disable Unity, go into the compiz settings manager and untick the Unity plugin
[17:13] <Bookman> No, I want a distro that I can stay current with
[17:14] <Bookman> Something that I don't have to 'disable' features on.
[17:15] <penguin42> yep, I understand
[17:16] <Bookman> Too bad as Ubuntu was something I could depend upon.  And so did my users.
[17:16] <cdbs> No, please don't disable the Unity plugin!
[17:17] <cdbs> If you want to avoid unity, then please use the classic desktop session instead
[17:17] <penguin42> Bookman: The other option is just to log in using the 'Ubuntu Classic desktop' option - that gets you the old style
[17:17] <penguin42> cdbs: 1) Why 2) Does classic get you compiz?
[17:17] <cdbs> penguin42: yes, and PLEASE don't tell people to disable the plugin, it leads to a blank desktop
[17:17] <cdbs> penguin42: classic gets you to the old-style desktop with panels
[17:17] <penguin42> cdbs: Please can you justify why that happens?
[17:18] <cdbs> penguin42: Because there is nothing to replace unity
[17:18] <Bookman> There you go.  This new interface is a disaster in my opinion.  Maybe I'm just old fashioned.
[17:18] <penguin42> cdbs: OK, where is this documented - what's really going on when you choose classic and when you don't ?
[17:19] <cdbs> penguin42: it isn't documented (don't seek docs when it comes to dev releases) but seb128 said it once on the #ubuntu-desktop channel
[17:19] <cdbs> and someone posted it (along with other gotchas) on planet ubuntu
[17:19] <penguin42> url?
[17:19] <penguin42> cdbs: So what does 'classic' do - does it get me just metacity or does it get me either metacity or compiz based on previous settings?
[17:20] <cdbs> the latter
[17:20] <cdbs> based on previous settings
[17:20] <cdbs> I just read it plain on planet.ubuntu.com around 3 weeks ago, can't remember who wrote it
[17:25] <Bookman> Well, the best of luck with the new Unity interface.....I have machines to change over!
[23:18] <bencahill> ratcheer: ah! :)
[23:18] <ratcheer> Yes
[23:20] <bencahill> ratcheer: I see a couple of mods in here, it probably just doesn't have much activity :)
[23:20] <ratcheer> A couple of days ago, I lost Unity. A few more updates and it came back, but the top panel is empty except for the Ubuntu application link. No menus, no indicators. Can anyone help?
[23:24] <penguin42> ratcheer: Yeh the top menu isn't happy for me either
[23:25] <penguin42> I suspect the 'unity-panel-ser' segfault I'm seeing in dmesg is the likely problem
[23:25] <ratcheer> penguin42: Thanks. So, just wait for future updates, hoping to fix it?
[23:26] <penguin42> ratcheer: Yeh or go and fix it!
[23:26] <ratcheer> penguin42: Its funny that no bugs are reported on Launchpad, except for one that is just for IBM video cards.
[23:27] <penguin42> IBM video cards? They haven't made any in decades
[23:28] <ratcheer> penguin42: Sorry, I mean Intel.
[23:28] <penguin42> yeh, well I am running on an Intel one
[23:29] <ratcheer> penguin42: Mine is nvidia, but the problem seems very similar.
[23:29] <penguin42> I guess it's not related to teh GL driver then
[23:29] <ratcheer> penguin42: I can get you a link to the bug, if you want.
[23:29] <penguin42> just say bug number here
[23:33] <ratcheer> It is 667208
[23:33] <penguin42> bug 667208
[23:34] <ratcheer> Great work, ubottu
[23:35] <penguin42> it's good like that
[23:37] <penguin42> I suspect there are a whole bunch of related bugs
[23:39] <penguin42> ratcheer: So do you see exactly what that describes - i.e. are you missing the side bar as well?
[23:40] <penguin42> heck, it downloaded the m->n update in not long at all, butit's saying 2hours 11 to install it
[23:43] <ratcheer> penguin42: No, everything seems fine on mine except the empty top panel.
[23:43] <penguin42> yeh, all good here except no top panel - I have my old one
[23:44] <ratcheer> I'm not sure what you mean...
[23:44] <penguin42> ratcheer: I used to have a gnome panel at the top of my display prior to upgrade, it's still there - the old gnome-panel not the new unity one
[23:46] <ratcheer> penguin42: Ok. Anyway, I guess I'll just wait for future updates. I've already updated this afternoon, but no change to my top panel problem. I have 19 held updates, but none of them seem to have anything to do with it.
[23:47] <penguin42> Welcome to the Alpha releases
[23:47] <ratcheer> Yeah, I know. At least natty is better than Lucid was. Maverick was pretty smooth sailing, for me.