[00:06] <rww> fyi, wwww in #ubuntu has been previously removed for attitude and !ot problems. I'm about to go afk, but someone should keep an eye on him.
[00:07] <IdleOne> will do
[00:40] <IdleOne> he had a point about why telnet is packaged
[00:40] <IdleOne> do people still use telnet ?
[00:40] <LjL> sure i do
[00:40] <Pici> telnet nethack.alt.org
[00:40] <rww> Bear in mind that LjL also uses PHP.
[00:40] <IdleOne> ok but you guys also know what your doing
[00:40] <ljl-telnet> hi
[00:40] <IdleOne> omg
[00:40] <IdleOne> kill it
[00:41] <IdleOne> before it grows
[00:41] <ljl-telnet> so what, should it not be packaged because some people don't know what they're doing?
[00:41] <rww> IdleOne: you're
[00:41] <IdleOne> yes mine
[00:41] <IdleOne> :P
[00:41] <IdleOne> thank you rww
[00:42] <ljl-telnet> mind you, i guess for all intents and purposes, netcat is better
[00:42] <rww> Someone file an LP bug to remove all telnetd from the archive and make transition packages for openssh-server
[00:42] <IdleOne> ljl-telnet: you have a good point
[00:42] <ljl-telnet> but telnet is sorta more standard i imagine *shrug*
[00:42] <Pici> telnet servers are useful if you don't want to require any sort of authentication at all.
[00:43] <ljl-telnet> like in telnet games!
[00:48] <mneptok> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[01:17] <bazhang> IdleOne, wrong person
[01:18] <bazhang> wwww is 'st' known issue in the past
[01:57] <bazhang> sebikul, hi
[01:57] <IdleOne> stop scaring them
[01:58] <IdleOne> I got some nerve to talk
[05:15] <rww> Anyone around who has working Youtubes?
[05:22] <rww> nvm, tinyogged it. To my surprise, Irconis_Charbuur in -ot (aka a few other nicks) managed to link something that's not offensive :\
[05:22] <rww> (well, I didn't listen, just watched, but still.)
[05:24] <rww> hrm, maybe 'Non-descr' is just the default ident of some client I'm unaware of.
[05:45] <rww> ah, nope. same person. hrm.
[06:48] <Flannel> URL shortening is bad.  Mmmkay?
[06:49] <rww> but we need space to put a link about the freenode spam that we don't get because we have well-working countermeasures
[06:50] <Flannel> the topic now looks like a google advertisement, and I have no idea if I've already read these links or what.
[08:41] <rww> ubottu: tell ThatBum about notreally-#ubuntu-offtopic
[09:11] <elky> Mwa? I think the above needs a Bwa to be honest. And the wiping away of a tear.
[09:24] <Myrtti> OUR SOCIAL CHANNEL?!?!?!111
[09:24] <rww> iknorite
[09:45] <elky> I'm pretty sure that gloating about having "a direct line to freenode staff" is somewhat inappropriate...
[12:39]  * Hobbsee twitches
[16:49] <popey> @login
[16:49] <popey> @btlogin
[17:59] <IdleOne> LjL: do you think floodbot or similar could have the ability to temporarily set +f on a channel and forward user to the channel then remove the +F?
[18:00] <IdleOne> so ops could /msg bot forward nick #channel-loco
[18:00] <LjL> floodbots can't be on more than one given channel (aside from their own utility channels) to begin with
[18:00] <IdleOne> ok so a new bot
[18:00] <LjL> also, i strongly believe putting a bot in every loco would be a surefire way to make them all move out from the official channels
[18:01] <IdleOne> the channels could decide if they want the bot
[18:05] <tsimpson> if they wanted that, they could just set +f on the channel
[18:06] <tsimpson> LoCo channels are *far* less likely to be "attacked" in the same way #ubuntu was
[18:08] <Myrtti> jijojohn is on it again
[18:09] <IdleOne> well, I think it would be useful in some extreme cases of pebkac, some users just don't "get it" no matter how many times we give them the /join command
[18:10] <tsimpson> in cases like that, you can always poke someone in -irc or in the loco to come and help
[18:10] <tsimpson> not as elegant as automatic forwarding, but it's better than nothing :)
[18:10] <IdleOne> tsimpson: the most recent case he was told by 4 different users in his language and given the !es twice
[18:11] <tsimpson> that's a clear case where you should /remove then
[18:11] <IdleOne> I did
[18:11] <LjL> except once we used to be able to remove *and banforward*
[18:11] <LjL> then freenode decided they'd be fancy and stop that
[18:11] <tsimpson> probably because it was abused
[18:12] <LjL> oh so terribly abused
[18:12] <LjL> not like the channels it actually *was* abused on hadn't the option of setting +g or whatever it was
[18:12] <jussi> @reload Encyclopedia
[18:12] <tsimpson> !test
[18:12] <tsimpson> it's not broken :D
[18:13] <IdleOne> !fail
[18:13] <IdleOne> works the way it should
[18:14] <IdleOne> ubottu: fail is <reply> WAILZ!
[18:14] <IdleOne> guess not.
[18:14] <jussi> IdleOne: you are using that factoid wrong...
[18:14] <jussi> !fail | IdleOne
[18:14] <IdleOne> I did
[18:15] <tsimpson> IdleOne: we still need to set a few things up to get it working, but the code didn't blow-up, so things are going well so far
[18:15] <IdleOne> set what up?
[18:16] <jussi> @admin capability add IdleOne restricted-editor
[18:16] <IdleOne> restricted!?
[18:16] <tsimpson> IdleOne: see the minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCCouncil/TeamReports/10/December
[18:17] <IdleOne> I saw them
[18:17] <jussi> IdleOne: that should give you the ability to add factoids here but not enywhere else
[18:17] <IdleOne> ahh
[18:17] <jussi> Im using you as a guinea pig because you are here, active and have no rights
[18:17] <IdleOne> well thank you
[18:17] <tsimpson> ops on probation can edit factoid, but they should do in in here where others can review
[18:17] <tsimpson> that's all "restricted" means there
[18:18] <IdleOne> I'm still on probabtion?
[18:18] <IdleOne> -b
[18:18] <jussi> no... jst a guine pig :)
[18:18] <jussi> so test it out!
[18:18] <nhandler> IdleOne: So try adding a factoid in PM and then in here
[18:19] <IdleOne> !idleone is <reply> this is a test
[18:19] <nhandler> Well, that part worked
[18:19] <nhandler> ubottu: forget idleone
[18:19] <IdleOne> ubottu: forget !idleone
[18:19] <IdleOne> heh
[18:19] <nhandler> jussi, tsimpson: Looks good
[18:19] <tsimpson> technical guide to adding/editing: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Encyclopedia
[18:20] <nhandler> tsimpson: Do we have a factoid pointing to that ?
[18:22] <tsimpson> !search ubottu.com
[18:22] <tsimpson> !botdoc
[18:22] <nhandler> :)
[18:47] <Seveas> can the rockbox info please be removed from the !ipod factoid
[18:47] <Seveas> it's confusing people
[18:47] <LjL> !ipod
[18:49] <LjL> i think it just confused one mentally challenged person
[18:53] <a931bw> Hello
[18:53] <a931bw> i got banned from #ubuntu for forkbomb
[18:54] <IdleOne> correct
[18:54] <a931bw> but all i did is ask why it doesnt work
[18:54] <a931bw> i want to crash my pc with it
[18:54] <IdleOne> posting malicious commands is not permitted
[18:54] <LjL> don't you see that will result in *other* people trying and crashing *their* PCs?
[18:54] <IdleOne> and we don't help people crash their pc
[18:55] <a931bw> i did tell that its forkbomb
[18:55] <LjL> lots of people might not have a clue what a "forkbomb" is
[18:55] <Myrtti> and do you know how big percentage would understand what that even means?
[18:55] <LjL> #ubuntu is full of users of all sorts
[18:55] <a931bw> ok, ill promise i wont post commands like these in public
[18:56] <LjL> thank you
[18:56] <a931bw> Thank you for unban
[18:56] <a931bw> bye
[18:56] <a931bw> ill go crash my pc now
[18:56] <LjL> good luck...
[18:57] <Myrtti> please note that next time getting unbanned won't be as easy
[18:57] <IdleOne> nope it won't
[18:58] <a931bw> Myrtti ok, sorry
[19:11] <Myrtti> the what the hell
[19:11] <Myrtti> oh, right
[19:16] <knome> err, clean up your mouth girl
[19:16] <Myrtti> I find it disturbing when a person I have no recollection of ops up on #ubuntu
[19:16] <Myrtti> but checking channel access I guess it was ok
[19:17] <knome> maybe. :)
[19:17] <Myrtti> just scared me a bit there
[19:19] <Pici> please give me this operate
[19:21] <IdleOne> Pici: you must pass this examinated to get operate
[19:29] <Myrtti> OH HI HAY SIR
[19:29]  * Myrtti looks at the mailing list, facedesks
[19:36] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:38] <mneptok> i paid for 3 nose jobs and 2 septum alignments before i unsubscribed.
[19:55] <Myrtti> there must be some sort of a mass escape from the funny farm going on
[20:05] <mneptok> Myrtti: nobody bothered to pass me a napkin map or open my cell door  :(
[20:05]  * tonyyarusso giggles at mailing list
[20:07] <Myrtti> HI HAY tonyyarusso
[20:09] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: Hei thar - can plz let operate this me?  I is unable process done.
[20:09] <maco> how do i do an ident ban?
[20:09] <maco> its not ?=foo anymore right?
[20:10] <Myrtti> no, just normal idents
[20:10] <Myrtti> I'd do *ident
[20:10] <maco> ok
[20:11] <Myrtti> most people IRC from a machine without the service running, so they get the squiggly tilde ~ in front of the ident
[20:11] <maco> well freenode says do ?ident
[20:11] <tonyyarusso> That reminds me - is it even possible to ignore unidentified people?
[20:11] <Myrtti> so * bypasses that
[20:11] <tonyyarusso> (as a bloc)
[20:11] <Myrtti> maco: that's one option, certainly
[20:12] <maco> it actually warns that you shouldnt do *indent because then if they have helloident itd catch that person too
[20:12] <maco> but ok ban set now. thanks :)
[21:12] <marienz> they're usually not useful bans if there's not an actual identd
[21:20] <rww> On a related note, I'm seeing people using more nick!*@* style bans recently. Not sure why, they don't seem useful to me.
[21:25] <nhandler> tonyyarusso: /ignore is client side, so it would depend on your client
[21:26] <tonyyarusso> nhandler: irssi.  The mask for it shouldn't vary by client though, would it?
[21:26] <nhandler> tonyyarusso: Well, it isn't really a mask to ignore.
[21:26] <tonyyarusso> rww: Sometimes you know a particular individual keeps the same nick even when banned.  I don't know the specific cases, but it happens.  *shrug*
[21:27] <tonyyarusso> nhandler: It used to be possible back on dancer.
[21:27] <nhandler> tonyyarusso: You could use umode +R however
[21:27] <rww> Right, but looking through the relevant logs, I don't think that's what happened. *shrug*
[21:27] <nhandler> However, that only is for PM
[21:27] <tonyyarusso> nhandler: I was hoping for channel-specific.
[21:30] <marienz> dancer let you do a per-channel per-user ignore of unidentified users? I don't remember that feature
[21:30] <marienz> (you can quiet unidentified users, but that's not what you meant, right?
[21:31] <nhandler> Although, being able to use extbans in /ignore would be rather useful ;)
[21:31] <nhandler> Now to find someone to script that
[21:31] <marienz> ick extbans
[21:31] <rww> extbans are <3
[21:32] <tonyyarusso> marienz: dancer had something in the hostmask indicating identification status, n= vs. i= or something.
[21:32] <marienz> can't do that one particularly sanely on this ircd
[21:32] <rww> tonyyarusso: that was whether they were running an identd, not whether they were identified
[21:32] <marienz> tonyyarusso: that's not identification status. That tells you if they're running an identd or not.
[21:32] <LjL> tonyyarusso: that tells you about whether they're "identified" by an identd
[21:32] <tonyyarusso> oh
[21:32] <LjL> nothing to do with their nickserv status
[21:32]  * tonyyarusso doesn't understand the difference
[21:32] <rww> tonyyarusso: identified means identified with nickserv. identd means... well, google it.
[21:32] <marienz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ident is pretty good
[21:33] <marienz> the really short version is that ident is meaningless on the kind of single-user box almost everyone uses these days
[21:34] <tonyyarusso> bother
[21:34]  * rww considers setting up identd to return "tonyyarusso" on his box for demonstration purposes
[21:34] <tonyyarusso> hrm.  Well, format_identify has a way of checking nickserv status - would be interesting to see an extension of that for ignores.
[21:35] <nhandler> It probably wouldn't be too hard to add something like that to trigger.pl
[21:35] <marienz> what format_identify does is very slightly different: it also shows you as unidentified if you're on a nick not grouped to the account you're identified to
[21:35] <marienz> if you do that you *can* join +r channels and talk in +q $~a channels
[21:36] <marienz> rww: extbans are <3, but there's no clean way of asking the server what its extbans mean or if an extban matches an arbitrary user. Services already has a duplicate implementation of a bunch of extban logic to work around that, doing the same in clients seems icky
[21:46] <k-rad> am i literally permanantly banned from #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[21:59] <Flannel> k-rad: that's unlikely.  What makes you think that?
[21:59] <k-rad> because i was banned ages ago, and i still cannot get in
[21:59] <Flannel> k-rad: That's because bans don't automatically expire
[22:00] <k-rad> does that mean that i must wait more time before being allowed in ?
[22:01] <Flannel> k-rad: No, "waiting more time" would fall under the "bans have an expiration" (which they don't) category.  Instead, you need to come here and works towards a resolution of your ban (you're already halfway done!)
[22:02] <k-rad> i resolve never to say that which i said that got me banned even though i believed it
[22:02] <k-rad> what else would you have me do ?
[22:03] <LjL> !guidelines
[22:03] <LjL> !coc
[22:03] <LjL> i'd like you to read those and say whether you're prepared to respect them
[22:04] <k-rad> many people there broke the CoC
[22:04] <LjL> that's starting with the wrong foot
[22:04] <LjL> i thought we were talking about your ban and your respect of the CoC
[22:05] <k-rad> i'm sorry you are that sensitive
[22:05] <k-rad> yes i respect the CoC
[22:07] <k-rad> i respect the CoC
[22:08] <LjL> hopefully you'll respect the guidelines too
[22:08] <LjL> it's not up to me to remove your ban though
[22:08] <k-rad> yes i agree with the irc guidelines
[22:13] <tonyyarusso> "I'm sorry you are that sensitive" is what's known as a "non-apology".
[22:14] <k-rad> i apologize that he was hurt that many people other than me broke the CoC without any effect.  perhaps it is myself that is hurt, i'm sorry for responding in that manner.
[22:16] <k-rad> i apologize
[22:17] <Flannel> k-rad: And you'll follow the IRC guidelines in the future?
[22:17] <k-rad> yes i will
[22:17] <Flannel> k-rad: And, since this came into question in the logs, you won't try to get around a ban if you should ever be banned in the future?
[22:18] <k-rad> no i will not.  i did not intentionally try and get around a ban.  i had another nick i wanted to use.
[22:18] <Flannel> k-rad: Alright.
[22:18] <k-rad> one that i paid for a long time ago
[22:19] <k-rad> and i had been around freenode elsewhere with that nick
[22:19] <Flannel> k-rad: I have removed your ban from #ubuntu-offtopic, please join and say something there now to verify I haven't missed anything.
[22:20] <Flannel> k-rad: Alright, perfect.  Anything else I can help you with today?
[22:21] <k-rad> no.  thank you
[22:21] <Flannel> k-rad: Have a nice day.
[22:51] <Flannel> !rt
[22:53] <Flannel> Is it no longer included in studio by default?
[22:56] <LjL> i think i heard it'd not
[22:56] <nhandler> Read the top of the wiki page
[22:57] <nhandler> The -preempt and -rt kernels are no longer being developed due to lack of support. Focus has instead turned to the -lowlatency and -realtime kernels, particularly for the the release of Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal. The long-term goal is to have -lowlatency in the official Ubuntu repositories, while maintaining -realtime in a dedicated PPA.
[22:58] <Flannel> nhandler: That'd be for 11.04, what about 10.10?
[22:58] <LjL> that's interesting considering JACK doesn't even really work without -rt :\
[22:58] <Flannel> Oh, there it is.
[22:58] <Flannel> As of this writing, there are no alternative kernels (including -realtime and -lowlatency) available for Maverick Meerkat in either the official repositories or any Ubuntu Studio recommended repositories (such as that maintained by Alessio Igor Bogani). It is recommended that you use the default -generic kernel with Maverick.
[22:58] <Flannel> Also, that's a poor wikipage to link to, is there nothing better?
[22:59] <LjL> the help.ubuntu.com one?
[22:59] <Flannel> the w.u.c is bad, I just found a h.u.c one, yeah.
[22:59] <Flannel> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[23:00] <LjL> "found" uh? :P
[23:00] <Flannel> What?
[23:00] <LjL> it's the first line of the w.u.c. one. in bold.
[23:00] <Flannel> oh?
[23:00] <Flannel> Well, I found it by searching h.u.c, so there.
[23:30] <IdleOne> op up, services are going down and you can be sure the trolls are aware
[23:36] <rww> Not like they gave them enough advance warning to plan something ;P
[23:36] <IdleOne> true
[23:50] <rww> Services are back, looks like.