[00:00] <jacobw> hehe
[00:01] <ali1234> does anything actually still use 6502?
[00:01] <exobuzz> ldahttp://www.ffd2.com/fridge/chacking/c=hacking1.txt
[00:01] <ali1234> i know z80 is still in use
[00:01] <exobuzz> oops. - lda
[00:01] <exobuzz> http://www.ffd2.com/fridge/chacking/c=hacking1.txt
[00:01] <exobuzz> a good start .. get your c64 emulator out and..
[00:01] <exobuzz> :)
[00:01] <Darael> Interestingly, my terminal correctly recognised the first one.
[00:02] <exobuzz> The best way to learn machine language is to actually code routines that you
[00:02] <exobuzz> don't think will work, hope that they work, and then figure out why they don't
[00:02] <exobuzz> work. (If they do work, you try to figure out why you didn't think they'd
[00:02] <exobuzz> work).  Ie: THE BEST WAY TO LEARN ANY PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE IS TO PROGRAM IN
[00:02] <exobuzz> THAT LANGUAGE.
[00:02] <ali1234> yes
[00:02] <exobuzz> scuse the multi-line accident. i like that though :)
[00:02] <ali1234> this is what i was saying earlier :)
[00:03] <exobuzz> :)
[00:04] <ali1234> you don't need no steeking books
[00:04] <ali1234> *steenking
[08:10] <Phineas> i have returned
[08:10]  * MartijnVdS runs away
[08:11] <Phineas> oh come on i'm not that scary
[08:33] <Apacheuk> morning all o/
[08:33] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> hi Apacheuk
[08:35] <Apacheuk> so whats on the agenda today then?
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> gym, gt5 :)
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> http://imgur.com/Z1CPF.jpg
[08:42]  * Phineas giggles
[08:43] <Phineas> still as funny as hell
[09:06] <Apacheuk> wife just brought up a lovely bacon roll and a cup of tea :)
[09:12] <Phineas> Apacheuk,  lucky
[09:20] <Phineas> Apacheuk,
[09:32] <Phineas_> bot alert by far
[10:01] <Apacheuk> was lovely... nom nom nom
[10:02] <Phineas> Apacheuk,  lucky
[10:34] <Phineas> nag nag nag nag
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/MCzfJ.jpg
[10:53] <KrimZon> how can I add a samba user without having a linux user? (or at least a linux user that can do anything but access samba shares)
[10:58] <MartijnVdS> simple question, long hard answer
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> SAMBA has lots of good documentation on how to set up different scenarios
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/
[11:00] <MartijnVdS> http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/passdb.html
[11:02] <jacobw> morning
[11:03] <KrimZon> MartijnVdS: thanks
[11:03] <MartijnVdS> hi jacobw
[11:05] <jacobw> o/
[11:20] <daubers> Morning
[11:29] <jacobw> morning daubers
[11:54] <issyl0> AlanBell: Are you coming up today? :)
[12:09] <moonpig> boo!
[12:25] <suprengr> hey that's my line !!!
[13:03] <AlanBell> issyl0: would love to, but don't think I can this time :(
[13:20] <issyl0> AlanBell: aww, shame. :(
[13:22] <balor> Why might a mic record at a low volume with gnome-sound-recorder, not show any levels in gome-volume-control and not work at all with Skype. Ubuntu 10.10 netbook edition.
[13:22] <gord> balor, bad mic? it won't be working with skype because its so quiet it can't detect any voices
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> "Mic amplification" flag is off in the mixer?
[13:23] <czajkowski> balor: I've git my mini 9 working here fine with skype
[13:23] <czajkowski> balor: nothing muted at all ?
[13:24]  * gord sighs - can't even stream music on wifi today
[13:24] <balor> czajkowski: noting is muted
[13:24] <czajkowski> odd
[13:24] <czajkowski> balor: pics!
[13:24] <balor> MartijnVdS: I don't see that flag, am I being dumb?
[13:24] <czajkowski> :D
[13:25] <balor> czajkowski: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQbTQmHGjcQ
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> balor: it might not be there
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> balor: USB or "normal" mic?
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> balor: if "normal", did you plug it into the "mic" hole? (instead of line in)
[13:26] <czajkowski> balor: awwww
[13:26] <balor> MartijnVdS: it's an on-board jobbie
[13:26] <czajkowski> balor: what does the monster think of it all?
[13:26] <balor> MartijnVdS: And I have Duplex turned on.  It strangely works with gnome-sound-recorder.
[13:26] <balor> czajkowski: I don't think it's hit him yet
[13:26] <balor> czajkowski: but he's not a massive fan
[13:27] <czajkowski> heh
[13:32] <balor> It works with an external USB mike :(
[13:33] <balor> I don't get this
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> balor: it's the built-in soundcard that either doesn't have a mic amp or dosn't have it turned on
[13:36] <balor> MartijnVdS: ok....I'll go looking for a magical switch.  Is this one of those cases where alsa-tools helps and magical kernel parameters?
[13:36] <daubers> Blimey it's easy to freeze your nads off out there today
[13:37] <suprengr> I am getting very disappointed with Ubuntu, my much trusted friend till now.  I have searched in packages and software centre under 'science'... there's nothing listed as "AN INSTANT CURE FOR FLU" :{
[13:37]  * suprengr sulks and thinks of "One FLU Over The Cuckoo's Nest"
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> daubers: that's what you get for getting on a _motorbike_ in winter :)
[13:41] <balor> Found, my issue, but no fix http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.user/34732
[13:41] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Yeah, but it's _masses_ of fun :D
[13:41] <dutchie> until you hit a spot of black ice and die
[13:42] <daubers> dutchie: Nonesense
[13:43] <daubers> dutchie: It's not that bad out anyway! It's positive numbers out there.
[13:56] <jacobw> indeed, the weather is much better now than it has been in the past few weeks
[13:57] <jacobw> the top of the ice thawing is a bit dangerous though
[13:58] <daubers> jacobw: I've registered my interest in starting the OU thing in October
[13:59] <jacobw> daubers: cool :) which module?
[14:00] <daubers> The new one which is replacing the main level 1 ones
[14:00] <jacobw> daubers: so by registering your interest, you'll get an email telling you when you can register?
[14:00] <daubers> TU100 I think
[14:00] <jacobw> ergh. "My digital life"
[14:00] <daubers> jacobw: Yeah, and can apply for the finance at that point to see if it's affordable
[14:01] <daubers> jacobw: Yeah, reading into it it's relativley interesting  once your past the title. There's some hardware implimentation stuff in it
[14:01] <daubers> jacobw: The titles very unfortunate though
[14:01] <jacobw> daubers: yes, i don't think it is as bad as the title makes it sound, but i'd still prefer to do M150 and T175, not least because i already have a body of knowledge surrounding T175
[14:01] <daubers> jacobw: Heh :)
[14:02] <daubers> jacobw: I've done enough arduno stuff now to think that I have similar with TU100 :)
[14:03] <jacobw> daubers: i've decided to read K&R, because it is shorter (finish it before Christmas?) than the Java book and more enjoyable
[14:03] <daubers> jacobw: \o/ Everyone should read K&R
[14:04] <jacobw> daubers: i keep reading the examples, pausing to improve the examples and then reading on to find they've improved the example in a way 100x better than mine
[14:04] <jacobw> daubers: i think this is called.. learning :)
[14:06] <daubers> heh
[14:06] <daubers> jacobw: Always nice to feel you're catching up with the authors though
[14:08] <jacobw> yeah :)
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> em: "em" makes me think of http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail79.html
[14:29] <balor> Looks like my PA is using the "wrong" internal mic.  I should be using front
[14:29] <balor> But I've no idea how to fix this
[14:30] <MartijnVdS> balor: you can't select it from the sound preferences?
[14:31] <balor> MartijnVdS: no.
[14:31] <balor> MartijnVdS: seems to be this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/434520
[14:34] <balor> hmm...seeing some levels now...but very low
[14:43] <czajkowski> balor: shouldn' you be oooing and ahhhhing over new LTS ?
[14:44] <Nafallo> next LTS is quite far away still :-)
[14:44] <balor> czajkowski: You'd think that.  I have to solve this for the mother-in-law
[14:45] <czajkowski> whos machine is it ?
[14:45] <balor> czajkowski: Mother in law's Ubuntu netbook
[14:45] <czajkowski> ah she's there with ye
[14:45] <balor> But it's about 7angsts of frustration away from being a Fedora netbook
[14:45] <czajkowski> naturallly, not really what you want to deal with today tbh
[14:46] <balor> nope
[14:46] <Nafallo> ah. sound problems. won't be able to help with that I'm afraid.
[14:46] <balor> Now _no_ sound is working...I broked it all
[14:47] <jacobw> don't install fedora on a netbook, unpacking RPMs takes forever
[14:47] <czajkowski> balor: step away from the machine, go make a cuppa tea, go cuddle newbie and then come back to it. if mother in law is there it can wait
[14:47] <balor> jacobw: That characterisation of Fedora is about 5 years old and no, with presto RPM and RPM improvements, plainly false
[14:50] <Nafallo> yum -i apt
[14:50] <Nafallo> :-P
[14:56]  * gord is hacking on fun unity stuffs today
[14:57] <gord> fun way to spend a sunday
[14:57] <Nafallo> gord: sounds like you're taking a swap day? ;-)
[14:58] <gord> faaar to much to do before january for that ;)
[14:59] <czajkowski> gord: january is ages away
[15:00] <gord> factor in christmas downtime, its like two weeks away
[15:00] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I wish january was ages away, but it's really not :-/
[15:01] <gord> i only have this week then i'm on winter holidays as well, thats not a lot of time at all
[15:02] <czajkowski> aye was 3 weeks Friday
[15:02] <czajkowski> hmm dear taxi company please answer so I can book one
[15:03] <czajkowski> Pendulum: Munster won :D
[15:03] <gord> why can't taxi companies just have a text number or website for booking, its like its the 90's permanently with them
[15:04] <ali1234> because people would put in mangled addresses etc
[15:04] <ali1234> drunk people...
[15:04] <gord> and drunk people on the phone are easy to handle?
[15:05] <Nafallo> czajkowski: have you got addlee where you are? then tend to be quite good in London at least.
[15:05] <ali1234> easier, yes
[15:05] <ali1234> you can tell how drunk they are for one thing
[15:06] <Pendulum> czajkowski: yay!
[15:08] <dutchie> ali1234: all you need is an "are you drunk" tickbox
[15:08] <dutchie> would solve everything
[15:08] <Nafallo> god damn it. my glögg cravings are unstatisfiable...
[15:08] <ali1234> lol
[15:08] <gord> dutchie, something tells me an "are you not drunk" checkbox would be more accurate
[15:08] <gord> or just make the text small and hard to read
[15:09] <ali1234> "i'm not NOT drunk!!!1"
[15:10] <Nafallo> just put in a long password. helps on my computers when I'm less sober.
[15:13] <gord> or just make the text small and hard to read
[15:13] <gord> focus follows mouse fail :(
[15:15] <skybinary> hi ubuntu-uk
[15:16] <skybinary> i have this issue, and first i asked my gran, shes 92 ya know, now i will ask the experts
[15:16] <skybinary> firefox crashes when i right click on flash, what should i do?
[15:16] <Nafallo> skybinary: stop right clicking on flash?
[15:16] <skybinary> Nafallo, NAN is that you?
[15:17] <Nafallo> it seemed to be the obvious answer :-)
[15:17] <skybinary> :)
[15:18] <czajkowski> booked taxi
[15:18] <skybinary> what about gnash, is that not an option?
[15:18] <Nafallo> it is an option. I can't speak to the relevance of your interest however.
[15:19] <skybinary> a solution
[15:22] <skybinary> i found a solution, if your not void of a sense of humour it may entertain you
[15:22] <skybinary> it says, right click on the flash and go to options
[15:23] <Nafallo> haha
[15:27] <balor> My mic issue is this one http://getsatisfaction.com/jolicloud/topics/deaf_internal_mic_on_acer_aspire_one  effing strange if you ask me
[15:28] <balor> Oh....now I understand.  *I think* there are two mics doing noise cancellation!
[15:30] <balor> For the days of a mono - dumb mic!
[15:37] <kvarley> Is there a way to control fan speed within ubuntu?
[15:38] <paln97> Hello
[15:39] <kvarley> hi there
[15:40] <paln97> how are you?
[15:42] <jacobw> how do i get to vimtutor?
[15:43] <jacobw> ignore me, that was a stupid question
[15:44] <urcminister> just wondered if any of you can help me find the log for last nights meeting of #ubuntuadverts.  I looked in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/ but can't find any log that looks like the one I want.
[15:44] <kvarley> paln97 good thanks - how are you?
[15:47] <DJones> urcminister: Possibly best to ask in #ubuntu-irc I don't think I've ever heard of that channel in the official channel list, so if its a private/team channel, it may not be logged
[15:49] <DJones> urcminister: Thats more of an admin channel for the #ubuntu* namespace so there may be somebody there who can help, although it might take a while to get an answer, its fairly quiet normally
[15:49] <urcminister> Just go the answer from another member of the team.  It is logged, but the URL is down.  Thanks anyway.  Bye.
[15:49] <DJones> urcminister: No worries
[16:15] <danfish> czajkowski: ping
[16:18] <paln> Hey guys!
[16:20] <popey> hello
[16:21] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[16:21] <paln> Can anyone help me with booting from my Live CD?
[16:22] <popey> whats the issue?
[16:23] <paln> It's a 10.04 CD
[16:23] <paln> I select "Install Ubuntu" from the menu and all is going fine...
[16:23] <paln> but after a while the orange/white dots freeze
[16:25] <popey> paln: how much ram does the machine have?
[16:26] <popey> the computer should tell you during boot up
[16:30] <paln> I'll find out now
[16:31] <paln> It doesn't say at the POST screen at boot
[16:32] <popey> it probably does in the BIOS
[16:33] <popey> what is the make/model of computer?
[16:34] <paln> It's an AMI BIOS dated at 2001...wanting to replace WinME
[16:35] <popey> if you boot into the BIOS it will almost certainly tell you how much RAM the devices has
[16:35] <paln> I'm looking it up in Lavalys' Everest
[16:35] <popey> a machine of 2001 vintage probably has 128MB or less RAM I would imagine
[16:35] <popey> which wouldn't be suitable for Ubuntu
[16:35] <paln> hm...
[16:36] <paln> What is the minimum required?
[16:36] <popey> 256MB is the absolute minimum
[16:36] <popey> but I'd recommend more if possible
[16:37] <paln> Well I might upgrade my RAM to somewhere around 2GB soon, but for now I'm not too sure
[16:37] <jacobw> xubuntu and lubuntu run on old computers
[16:37] <jacobw> lubuntu is lighter than xubuntu
[16:37] <paln> I'm checking in the BIOS now...
[16:39] <popey> also crunchbang is worth a look
[16:40] <paln> crunchbag?
[16:40] <paln> I've never heard of that before
[16:41] <daubers> #!
[16:41] <jacobw> uh oh
[16:41] <paln> On my CMOS menu I have "Main;Advanced;Security;Exit" tabs at the top
[16:42] <paln> where do you think the RAM would be listed?
[16:42] <paln> I can't seem to find it
[16:42] <bigcalm> Just discovered Jarvis Cocker's Sunday Service. How wonderful and mellow :)
[16:43] <popey> paln: main
[16:44] <coffeebean8888> hi
[16:44] <bigcalm> popey: any joy with the Joggler?
[16:44] <Azelphur> popey: my joggler nuked 2 MicroSD cards :(
[16:45] <Azelphur> both got bad sectors
[16:45] <popey> eek
[16:45] <paln> It shows date/time, floppy drives, "Primary IDE Master: 20417 MB", "Primary IDE Slave: Not Installed", "Secondary IDE Master: DVD-ROM" and "Secondary IDE Slave: CDROM"
[16:45] <coffeebean8888> ubuntu is ok its not great
[16:45] <bigcalm> I need to seak and distroy existing partitions on the memory stick
[16:46] <coffeebean8888> the ubuntu uk podcasts are rubbish i listened to 2 minutes of them
[16:46] <paln> @bigcalm: why not use Windows Computer Management or GPartEd
[16:46]  * Azelphur slaps coffeebean8888 around a bit with a large trout
[16:46] <jacobw> coffeebean8888: careful :o
[16:46] <coffeebean8888> ha ha
[16:47] <paln> popey?
[16:50] <paln> popey, are you there?
[16:52] <popey> paln: yup
[16:52] <coffeebean8888> who has snow?
[16:52] <paln> so, where do you think my RAM is...?
[16:52] <popey> paln: inside your computer
[16:53] <popey> Azelphur: using jolicloud 1.1 at the moment
[16:53] <coffeebean8888> in a feild
[16:53] <coffeebean8888> in a feild
[16:53] <Azelphur> popey: cool, I still need to try that
[16:53] <paln> popey: I get that, but where in my CMOS
[16:53] <coffeebean8888> do u have sheep?
[16:54] <paln> coffeebean8888: shut up :P
[16:54] <popey> paln: i dunno, I can't see your computer, can I?
[16:54] <coffeebean8888> u have ram but no sheep?
[16:54] <bigcalm> paln: boot with the live CD. Open a terminal and type: free
[16:54] <popey> bigcalm: i suspect it doesnt have enough ram to boot the live cd
[16:55] <bigcalm> popey: I thought it was the install that was failing
[16:55] <popey> sure, but he's chosen "install ubuntu" which doesn't start the full desktop
[16:55] <popey> if the installer wont run, I'd be certain the desktop wont boot either
[16:55] <bigcalm> Ah
[16:56] <bigcalm> An old machine of mine would refuse to install any OS completely because the CMOS battery was flat. Weird but replacing it allowed an OS install
[16:56] <popey> heh
[16:56] <paln> bigcalm: really? cos that doesn't seem to make much sense...
[16:57] <popey> ooo snow warning from thursday
[16:57] <popey> win
[16:58] <popey> paln: is there an OS on the machine already?
[16:58] <popey> paln: what make and model of pc is it?
[16:58] <bigcalm> paln: that's what it came down to
[17:01] <paln> It's a Packard Bell, made 2001, not sure of the model either, but it has Windows Millenium Edition (crap) on it
[17:01] <bigcalm> Sleet forecast for Thursday. Anything could happen between now and then
[17:01] <coffeebean8888> yeah end of week its snow
[17:01] <paln> Including me telling you to talk about something linux-related, bigcalm
[17:02] <paln> bigcalm: Talk about something Linux-related!
[17:02] <paln> I told you
[17:02] <gord> gord hate cmake! gord smash!
[17:02] <popey> paln: chill
[17:02] <bigcalm> ...
[17:02] <popey> paln: boot into Windows ME and determine RAm from there?
[17:02] <bigcalm> I shall talk about kittens instead :)
[17:02] <popey> \o/ kittens
[17:02] <gord> kittens with mittens?
[17:03] <popey> 3D kittens!
[17:03] <bigcalm> I've seen some really cute kittens in TV adverts recently
[17:03] <bigcalm> Want want want!
[17:03] <paln> popey: so what do you think?
[17:04] <popey> paln: observe the two lines above
[17:04] <popey> 17:02:27 < popey> paln: boot into Windows ME and determine RAm from there?
[17:06] <paln> popey: How?
[17:06] <popey> paln: right click "my computer" choose "properties"
[17:06] <popey> it tells you at the bottom how much ram it has
[17:06] <paln> I can't seem to find any info anywhere!
[17:06] <paln> Ok then
[17:09] <paln> It's 128MB of RAM
[17:09] <popey> :)
[17:09] <popey> as I suspected :)
[17:09] <paln> After all that!
[17:10] <popey> exobuzz: where did you get the jolicloud iso from?
[17:10] <paln> So in order to load Ubiquity I need how much RAM?
[17:10] <paln> popey: http://www.jolicloud.com/
[17:10] <paln> there's a Windows Installer and an ISO image
[17:10] <popey> ooo 1.1 available for download now
[17:10] <popey> cool
[17:11] <popey> it was 1.0 when I last looked
[17:11] <paln> yea
[17:11] <paln> they released it pretty recently
[17:11] <paln> i'd say last week!
[17:11] <popey> yeah
[17:11] <paln> Ok, so how old are all you guys?
[17:11] <paln> Just asking
[17:12] <bigcalm> A little older than our teeth
[17:12] <popey> age here ranges from 13 to 40 or thereabouts
[17:12] <popey> s/older/younger/
[17:12] <popey> teeth start growing before you're born
[17:12] <paln> really?
[17:12] <paln> hm...
[17:13] <bigcalm> Ah, but the teeth I have now I did not have when I was born
[17:13] <popey> yes you did
[17:13] <paln> hehe :D
[17:13] <popey> unless they're false
[17:13] <bigcalm> Some are :S
[17:13] <popey> :)
[17:13] <bigcalm> Well, crowns
[17:13] <moreati> popey: have your aldult teeth already started growing at birth?
[17:14] <paln> moreati: i was just wondering the same thing...
[17:14] <popey> they're inside your gums AIUI
[17:14] <paln> "AIUI"?
[17:14] <popey> As I Understand It
[17:15] <paln> ah!
[17:16] <bigcalm> Just found out that I haven't updated any packages on my eeepc since installing 10.10 on 10/10/10. This could take a while
[17:16] <popey> :)
[17:16] <paln> bigcalm: um...wouldn't Update Manager do that FOR you?
[17:16] <paln> :/
[17:17]  * bigcalm crosses his fingers and wishes that Unity will not be there upon reboot
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> you can disable it in the gdm menu
[17:17] <bigcalm> paln: I haven't used the netbook for a long time
[17:17] <paln> oh...netbokk
[17:17] <bigcalm> Also, I tend to manage updates from the CLI
[17:17] <paln> now that makes sense!
[17:18] <paln> well that's kinda dumb
[17:18] <paln> (no offence!)
[17:18] <bigcalm> Plenty taken
[17:18] <paln> ;)
[17:21] <Pendulum> bigcalm: do you have netbook edition or regular edition on your netbook?
[17:21] <bigcalm> Pendulum: netbook
[17:22] <bigcalm> It was UNR and I did a dist upgrade
[17:22] <Pendulum> bigcalm: so you already had unity on it from when you dist upgraded?
[17:22] <paln> Pendulum: I would think it obvious to have the Netbook edition on a netbook, seeing as most netbooks don't have CD drives and the interface would be cleaner for such a small screen
[17:23] <Pendulum> paln: I use desktop on my netbook
[17:23] <bigcalm> Pendulum: nope
[17:23] <Pendulum> bigcalm: if you didn't already have unity as the main desktop for 10.10, I don't see why it'd change it to do updates
[17:23]  * bigcalm shrugs
[17:24] <penguin42> Pendulum: I'm fairly sure it will become the default if you upgrade to Natty
[17:24] <penguin42> (You can still select 'classic')
[17:24] <Pendulum> penguin42: yeah, but he was talking about doing updates on a netbook, not upgrading to Natty
[17:24] <penguin42> oh ok, that shouldn't change from where it was I guess
[17:25] <bigcalm> Not just now
[17:25] <bigcalm> I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10
[17:25] <bigcalm> At that point it installed Unity
[17:27] <Pendulum> bigcalm: right. but that was in October if I understand correctly, yes?
[17:27] <bigcalm> Yes
[17:27] <paln> penguin42: Yup, Natty will transfer Unity to the Desktop Edition aswell, but the classic GNOME interface is accessable before typing your password
[17:27] <bigcalm> It's had Unity since October
[17:27] <bigcalm> Could be why I haven't used it since
[17:27] <penguin42> paln: Yeh, This <---- machine is running natty
[17:28] <Pendulum> bigcalm: you can install desktop. works fine on my Mini10v
[17:28] <Pendulum> (with a 16GB SSD)
[17:28] <paln> If you look on 10.10 when you click your name, at the bottom it lists only "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" unless you install Unity
[17:28] <Pendulum> paln: the netbook 10.10 is unity
[17:31] <paln> yea, but not on desktop
[17:31] <paln> unless you install it
[17:31] <Pendulum> paln: right, but we've been talking about a netbook
[17:31] <Pendulum> where the person said they had UNR or UNE (whichever it is now)
[17:32] <paln> you can just do "sudo apt-get install unity"
[17:32] <paln> then restart
[17:42] <paln> What's everyone up to?
[17:44] <bigcalm> 30mins later I get to reboot. That was productive
[17:45] <paln> haha!
[17:55] <czajkowski> danfish pong
[17:58]  * DJones offers danfish some deodourant
[17:59] <czajkowski> danfush on train to bath. on later or email me
[18:05] <bigcalm> This SanDisk usb stick has a fake CD-ROM partition that I can not get rid of. I think that's why I can't get the Joggler to boot with it
[18:05] <bigcalm> Time to dig out another stick and try again
[18:07] <penguin42> bigcalm: Try the usb_modeswitch program
[18:08] <penguin42> (not taht I know how to drive it)
[18:09] <bigcalm> Heavy
[18:15] <paln> Hey guys, I'm back!
[18:22] <paln> popey: know of any distros that can handle 128MB of RAM?
[18:25] <Azelphur> paln: debian?
[18:26] <paln> I was thinking aside Debian itself but OK.
[18:26] <paln> What about U-Lite?
[18:27] <paln> Does that work <128MB RAM
[18:31] <popey> paln: do you remember earlier on when you were here?
[18:31] <popey> there were 3 suggestions given
[18:31] <popey> lubuntu, xubuntu and crunchbang
[18:31] <paln> #!
[18:32] <paln> alrity then
[18:32] <paln> thx popey
[18:32] <paln> I'll probably try them out...
[18:32] <denny> Hi all.  I need to get 3 more 'fans' on this Facebook page so I can set a vanity URL for it, would anyone like to 'like' it for ten minutes or so as a favour?  :)  http://www.facebook.com/pages/Police-State-UK/166638310038400
[18:32] <popey> denny: you should know better than this
[18:33] <paln> denny: Why ask here?
[18:33] <sisto> popey: sup
[18:33] <sisto> popey: i was listening to an episode of your podcast yesterday
[18:33] <denny> I should?  I thought this channel was okay with a bit of off-topicness, particularly if it's relevant to UK
[18:34] <popey> !politics
[18:34] <popey> specifically
[18:34] <sisto> popey: i heard you appeared at one episode of net at night
[18:34] <denny> I wasn't discussing politics.
[18:34] <popey> offtopic is fine, it's the political discussions that get wearing in here
[18:34] <denny> I was asking for a favour from Facebook users.
[18:34] <popey> denny: I'm not going to argue with you about it
[18:34] <denny> yah.
[18:35] <popey> sisto: yeah
[18:35] <sisto> that's awesome
[18:35] <sisto> do you remember which episode?
[18:35] <popey> ep 76
[18:35] <sisto> i don't listen to that podcast
[18:35] <sisto> thanks!!
[18:35] <popey> me neither ;)
[18:36] <sisto> i'll download it
[18:36] <sisto> i do always listen to your podcast
[18:36] <popey> thanks!
[18:37] <sisto> and also some of leo's podcasts but not that one
[18:37]  * MartijnVdS tries to listen to Linux Outlaws
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> but sometimes they're _boring_
[18:37] <popey> haha
[18:38] <popey> all podcasts are sometimes
[18:38] <popey> IMO
[18:38] <sisto> sure
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> there's a difference between "a few minutes per episode" and "three episodes in a row"
[18:38] <sisto> haters
[18:38] <sisto> haha
[18:39] <sisto> instead of saying that you could suggest how to make it better
[18:39] <popey> "be less boring"?
[18:39] <sisto> haha
[18:40] <sisto> i like when you use that kind of humor in the podcast
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> sisto: hey, I'm not saying I know how to make it better
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[18:40] <sisto> popey: do u guys get paid at all for all that work?
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> in merchandise, I guess 8-)
[18:42] <sisto> here take these 10000 free ubuntu CDs
[18:42] <sisto> have fun
[18:43] <popey> nope sisto
[18:43] <popey> we get nothing
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> not even kind words of encouragement?
[18:44] <popey> we all pay for our own hardware, audio equipment, travel.. everything
[18:44] <Azelphur> warm fuzzy feeling?
[18:44] <popey> haha
[18:44] <Azelphur> :D
[18:44] <popey> both of those, yes
[18:44] <popey> we even buy our own cake
[18:44] <Azelphur> cake \o/
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> cake should not be bought. It should be baked or given.
[18:44] <sisto> so there is a cake?
[18:45] <sisto> i thought it was a lie
[18:45] <gord> what about people who make the best cake? surely they should be able to let others experience their great cake without becoming poor from not selling it
[18:45] <sisto> i guess i've been playing too much portal
[18:45] <gord> i like to support those excellent cake makers buy buying as much cake as possible!
[18:46] <Azelphur> sisto: haha, I play Portal in Linux :)
[18:46] <sisto> Azelphur: haha actually I haven't played it... i only watched my brother play it through. I'm probably really bad at it
[18:47] <Azelphur> xD
[18:47] <Azelphur> sisto: I play a lot of TF2 too
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://tinyfugue.sourceforge.net/ ? :P
[18:48] <Azelphur> haha
[19:04] <daubers> Evening
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:05] <Flashtek> o/
[19:07] <Flashtek> here he is
[19:07] <Flashtek> hi paul
[19:07] <Flashtek> zleap:
[19:08] <zleap> hi
[19:22] <bigcalm> popey: do you find that the windows in Jodicloud are too wide for the joggler?
[19:25] <sisto> what's the netbook edition icon bar called?
[19:25] <sisto> unity?
[19:25] <sisto> i don't remember
[19:26] <popey> bigcalm: which windows?
[19:28] <sisto> i like the unity icon bar but haven't tried it yet
[19:28] <sisto> i should upgrade
[19:29] <sisto> and try it
[19:29] <sisto> is it too buggy?
[19:31]  * sisto will wait for an answer
[19:31] <bigcalm> popey: all windows. I just tapped on Facebook and part of it was off the screen
[19:33] <sisto> i think jolicloud is better than chrome
[19:33] <sisto> i need native apps
[19:38] <gord> sisto, works very well on my natty system, its called a launcher btw
[19:39] <czajkowski> whoo free wifi
[19:41] <sisto> gord: thank you
[19:43] <diplo> evening all
[19:45] <sisto> hi
[19:45] <daubers> Hmm... my graphing script in python really really overtaces the NSLU2 :(
[19:47] <sisto> what
[19:50] <sisto> daubers: i noticed it was a bad thing because of the sad face but couldn't grasp what you're talking about
[19:52] <paln> I was wondering...are you guys based in a certain place, or are you just an online community?
[19:53] <sisto> you know what uk means?
[19:53] <sisto> actually i'm not from there so I the question isn't that bad
[19:53] <paln> I mean do you have a location where you guys meet up every once in a while or something!
[19:54] <paln> sisto: get out of our channel, then!!!!
[19:54] <paln> ;D
[19:54] <sisto> paln: lol
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Sometimes people meet, but usually informally
[19:54]  * sisto cries and leaves
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> there's a christmas thingy planned
[19:55] <paln> yea, i read about that at loco.ubuntu.com
[19:55] <paln> where is it?
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> London
[19:55] <paln> it just says thurs 1900-2200
[19:55]  * popey points to the topic
[19:56] <paln> i mean what building etc.
[19:56] <popey> follow the link?
[19:56] <paln> i gathered it's in London
[19:56] <paln> what link?
[19:56] <sisto> in the subject
[19:56] <popey> 19:55:44  * popey points to the topic
[19:56] <popey> Christmas party http://ubunt.eu/c2 ☃
[19:56] <paln> it just says "popey points to the topic"...
[19:57] <popey> yes, and the topic of this channel has a link which I just pasted
[19:57] <paln> oh ok...thx!
[19:58] <popey> paln: what irc client are you using?
[19:58] <paln> XChat IRC from the Software Centre
[19:59] <paln> only cos Empathy sucks wen using on IRC
[19:59] <paln> otherwise it's kinda like eBuddy
[19:59] <paln> but with more networks
[19:59] <bigcalm> Type: /topic
[20:00] <paln> yea, it appears at the top aswell
[20:00] <paln> and i can edit it!
[20:00] <bigcalm> Go on then
[20:01] <paln> wha-? not channel operator?!?!?!?
[20:01] <paln> damn u, security!
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> you actually can't.. the channel is +t
[20:01] <paln> "+t"?
[20:01] <MartijnVdS> An IRC channel mode, meaning topic can only be changed by ops
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> (channel operators)
[20:02] <paln> i can edit it, but after pressing Return, i get "#ubuntu-uk: You are not the channel operator"
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[20:02] <paln> :'(
[20:03] <paln> popey: Almost finished d/l'ng Xubuntu Alternate CD ISO!
[20:03] <popey> paln: personally I'd have gone with lubuntu or crunchbang :)
[20:03] <paln> #gnna have ubuntu on my pc, on my pc, on my pc!#
[20:03] <paln> eh...
[20:03] <popey> I use crunchbang on my Intel Classmate
[20:03] <popey> which is a painfully slow machine
[20:03] <paln> crunchbag didn't appeal to me
[20:04] <paln> and i couldn't find the iso from lubuntu.net
[20:04] <paln> plus, i'd never heard of Lubuntu
[20:04] <popey> http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso
[20:04] <paln> just Ubuntu, UNE, Edubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu
[20:05] <paln> oh and debian
[20:05] <paln> but i wanted something based on Ubuntu, not something Ubuntu was based on
[20:05] <paln> Just out of curiosity, are any of you watching The X-Factor
[20:06] <paln> that is, those of you from the UK (sisto?)
[20:06] <sisto> what's lubuntu?
[20:06] <paln> It's short for Light-Ubuntu
[20:06] <paln> c wot i mean, popey?
[20:06] <paln> no1s heard of it
[20:06] <popey> i thought it was for lxde ubuntu
[20:06] <popey> not light ubuntu
[20:06] <sisto> is it kde based?
[20:06] <popey> no
[20:07] <popey> lxde :)
[20:07] <sisto> o lxde
[20:07] <paln> o right
[20:07] <sisto> lxde is ok
[20:07] <paln> i just took a random guess, seeing as it only needs 128MB RAM
[20:07]  * bigcalm goes looking at usb hubs
[20:07] <paln> Alright! Xubuntu ISO complete!
[20:07] <bigcalm> The onscreen kb is irritating
[20:07] <popey> bigcalm: let me know if you find a small sexy one
[20:07] <paln> Gonna burn it to a CD-RW now!
[20:07] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:08] <bigcalm> popey: 1st hit from googling "small sexy usb hub" http://www.everythingusb.com/lacie-hub4-usb-3.0-hub-20644.html
[20:09] <sisto> cd-rw? why not just a plain cd-r?
[20:09] <popey> sisto: reduce, reuse, recycle
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[20:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: map, reduce 8-)
[20:09] <popey> bigcalm: nice
[20:09] <sisto> :)
[20:09] <popey> oh, hang on, usb3!
[20:09] <czajkowski> popey: cheers for RT earlier on
[20:09] <popey> np
[20:09] <popey> was nice to see
[20:10] <bigcalm> I assume that usb3 will still work with 1.1 and 2
[20:10] <czajkowski> popey: aye it was :)
[20:10] <popey> yeah
[20:11] <paln> bigcalm: USBv3.0 has backwards compatibility
[20:11] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hama-USB-2-0-Hub-bus-powered/dp/B0017X0R20/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292184657&sr=8-1
[20:11] <paln> the only difference is "speed"
[20:11] <paln> and "transition times"
[20:11] <popey> for some reason I like usb hubs that have trailing leads
[20:11] <paln> that is, IF you have a quad core processor...
[20:11] <sisto> none of my computers support usb3
[20:12] <sisto> stupid macbook
[20:12] <popey> heh
[20:12] <sisto> do they come with usb3 now?
[20:12] <bigcalm> popey: that is nice looking
[20:12] <sisto> i haven't checked
[20:12] <popey> I have never seen a usb 3 device
[20:12] <sisto> will check now
[20:12] <popey> no sisto
[20:12] <popey> no apple kit supports usb3
[20:12] <sisto> lame
[20:12] <bigcalm> I think I shall now purchase
[20:13] <daubers> popey: There is a expressport to usb 3 card that works in MBP's
[20:13] <sisto> well next gen apple stuff probably will
[20:14] <sisto> i might get a pc next time though
[20:14] <sisto> i didn't have a very good ubuntu experience with my macbook
[20:14] <paln> So, are you Englanders watching the X-Factor?
[20:14] <popey> daubers: sure, I meant native
[20:14] <popey> paln: I'm not
[20:14]  * popey hugs Ubuntu 10.10 on his MBP
[20:14] <daubers> popey: :) Just being pedantic.
[20:15] <sisto> haha
[20:15] <bigcalm> popey: did it take forever and a day to install spotify on the joggler?
[20:15] <popey> nope
[20:15] <popey> although I didnt time it
[20:15] <popey> it might have
[20:16] <sisto> what's the expression? rub it in??
[20:17] <bigcalm> I get the feeling that it's not actually getting anywhere
[20:17] <popey> yeah, it did take a little while
[20:17] <popey> patience :)
[20:17] <popey> i walked away and left it
[20:18] <paln> Burning ISO!
[20:18] <paln> 9%...!
[20:18] <paln> lol :D
[20:18] <danfish> czajkowski: sorry - bathtime for kids et al
[20:19] <czajkowski> np
[20:19] <danfish> about the rugby meetup - good news and bad news
[20:19] <czajkowski> the match is going ahead...
[20:19] <paln> 35%...!
[20:20] <danfish> found an excellent venue - the Northcote pub
[20:20] <czajkowski> ok..
[20:20] <danfish> the bad news (for me) I'm away at a conference that weekend :(
[20:20] <czajkowski> danfish: oh bad bad timing
[20:20] <paln> 54%...!
[20:21] <czajkowski> danfish: might get the details off you re venue and post to list and create the event few folks may come, will just mean we will have a round II meet up
[20:21] <danfish> czajkowski: my timing, as always, is dreadful :(
[20:21] <paln> 75%...!
[20:21] <czajkowski> paln: no need to keep telling us
[20:21] <paln> 60 secs remaining...!
[20:21] <czajkowski> danfish: and we gave you a ton of notice as well :(
[20:21] <danfish> can't come to xmas do as working
[20:21] <paln> there's no need, but there is an urge...
[20:21] <czajkowski> paln: resist it then
[20:22] <paln> 95%
[20:22] <paln> 96%
[20:22] <paln> 97%
[20:22] <paln> 98%
[20:22] <paln> 99%
[20:22] <czajkowski> paln: will you stop please.
[20:22] <paln> Hooray!
[20:22] <czajkowski> danfish: I hope the conference is worth it !
[20:22] <paln> czajkowski: Sorry, but I can't resist the urge! Plus, it's done now anyway...
[20:23] <danfish> czajkowski: It's on sexual health and diseases - I'll post piccies :D
[20:24] <czajkowski> danfish: I'm getting the better deal! Rugby and beer and Ubuntu :)
[20:24] <danfish> czajkowski: :)
[20:24] <paln> popey: How old are you? Unless you'd rather not say...
[20:24] <popey> why?
[20:24] <paln> just curious
[20:24] <popey> why?
[20:24] <paln> i'm 13, that's why
[20:25] <paln> wanna see how old people round here are
[20:25] <bigcalm> Mostly older than you
[20:25] <popey> as I mentioned earlier, age ranges from 13 to 40
[20:25] <popey> ish
[20:25] <paln> are u sure?
[20:25] <popey> yes
[20:25] <danfish> 40+++
[20:25] <paln> are u sure ur sure?
[20:25] <paln> danfish: 40+++ = 42
[20:26] <popey> i was being kind danfish :)
[20:26] <paln> so how old ARE you?
[20:26] <exobuzz> popey, take it you dont need an answer regarding jolicloud anything now? :)
[20:26] <nperry> people that age shouldn't be allowed to use a computer danfish :P
[20:26] <popey> exobuzz: what was the question?
[20:26] <paln> nperry: totally agree
[20:26] <bigcalm> paln: you're not going to get a response, so you can stop asking
[20:27] <nperry> paln it was a joke :/
[20:27] <paln> i can, but i won't...or will i?
[20:27] <exobuzz> you asked about where i got the iso
[20:27]  * danfish stabs popey with my walking stick
[20:27] <paln> exobuzz: i told him it's http://www.jolicloud.com/
[20:27] <exobuzz> right ok. sorted..
[20:27] <popey> oh yeah
[20:28] <popey> exobuzz: when your image went live they didnt have 1.1 on the site
[20:28] <bigcalm> popey: spotify just finished installing. One must make and drink tea during installs
[20:28] <exobuzz> i just installed it on virtualbox and then applied my packages and modifications etc
[20:28] <exobuzz> popey, weird. maybe they pulled it as im sure i downloaded it from there
[20:28] <popey> bigcalm: that sounds like the fix
[20:28] <popey> how strange
[20:28] <popey> nice image btw
[20:28] <popey> remind me to buy you beer next time I see you
[20:28] <exobuzz> jolicloud is growing on me. minus a few issues
[20:29] <exobuzz> very kind thanks. :)
[20:29] <popey> I want a replacement for the onboard os, jolicloud has come closest so far
[20:29] <exobuzz> onboard flash is a little on the slow side mind
[20:29] <popey> i dont use onboard
[20:29] <popey> only usb
[20:29] <paln> Alright, my Xubuntu CD's done. Gonna test it quickly...wish me luck!
[20:30] <popey> paln: Good luck!
[20:30] <exobuzz> aah ok.. sorry i thought you meant to replace internal os
[20:30] <popey> (it wont work)
[20:30] <popey> exobuzz: no, i just meant, to replace .. you know :
[20:30] <exobuzz> enjoyed the last podcast btw..
[20:31] <exobuzz> still got tons of archives to listen to
[20:31] <paln> popey: Thanks a ton!
[20:32] <paln> Alright, it booted!
[20:32] <exobuzz> popey, wish jolicloud allowed adding of manual local apps with paths and icons. currently it allows you to select from a list that doesnt seem to pick up everything and im unsure the criteria. looking for some .desktop files in a certain location perhaps
[20:32] <exobuzz> popey, also if you increase top panel size to make it more touch friendly, it overlaps the main html5 interface. cant find where the offset is. either in the browser, their remote site, or something else somewhere. might be fixable with some css overrides to their remote site, but rather fix it properly.
[20:33] <paln> So, does Xubuntu run on the X Windowing System?
[20:33] <paln> If not, why Xubuntu?
[20:33] <exobuzz> Xfce
[20:33] <nperry> XDE
[20:34] <nperry> -E == face i'm making
[20:35] <paln> exobuzz: Oh, right! I just looked it up here aswell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu
[20:35] <paln> nperry: wha-? XDE?
[20:36] <paln> didn't kno there was 1
[20:36] <paln> I'm leaving guys!
[20:37] <paln> see ya!
[20:39] <bigcalm> Gotta say, the Joggler really is a one app at a time kind of device
[20:39] <popey> :)
[20:39] <popey> yup
[20:39] <popey> exobuzz: you know what you should do?
[20:40] <popey> make a very lean distro for joggler, very very lean
[20:40] <popey> considered porting lxde? :)
[20:40] <bigcalm> The clock in the default OS is great. I'd love to have that on this, but with a couple of tweaks
[20:40] <popey> yeah
[20:40] <bigcalm> Screen is blank, tap once and the clock appears
[20:40] <popey> its just a swf, you could probably yank it off the flash disk inside
[20:40] <bigcalm> Tap again and the screen blanks
[20:41] <bigcalm> Double tap and the desktop appears
[20:41] <popey> every app on the default install is just a swf
[20:41] <bigcalm> Why did they pick Flash? Not really the most resource friendly language...
[20:42] <bigcalm> So. Is there an iPlayer app? :D
[20:51] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YcFULRcoFg
[20:52] <sisto> .
[20:52] <sisto> just trying the xchat timestamp
[20:53] <bigcalm> Just found a 7 port hub
[20:53] <bigcalm> And it works with memory, kb & mouse :D
[20:53] <sisto> how many usb3 devices do you have?
[20:53] <bigcalm> None
[20:54] <bigcalm> I have just found the hub in a box of bits in the spare room
[20:54] <sisto> at your house?
[20:54] <bigcalm> Yes
[20:54] <sisto> oh great
[20:55] <bigcalm> So I just orded a new hub for no reason
[20:55] <bigcalm> Except that it looks sexier than this one
[20:55] <sisto> is this one usb3?
[20:55] <bigcalm> No
[20:55] <sisto> and the other one?
[20:55] <bigcalm> I have no usb3 devices to use with it
[20:55] <bigcalm> 2.0
[20:56] <sisto> you are right
[20:56] <sisto> you got it for no reason other than it is sexier
[20:56] <sisto> lol
[20:57] <bigcalm> I thought that the hub was dead (which is why I had stopped using it in the 1st place)
[20:58] <dutchie> only 13339 more emails for offlinimap to sync from my archive folder \o/
[20:58] <sisto> i have a usb hub with mug heater
[20:58] <sisto> i don't use the mug heater though
[20:59] <sisto> i thought it would be useful but it's really not
[21:02] <bigcalm> popey: that's tiny!
[21:02] <bigcalm> And why do you have more than one Joggler?
[21:03] <exobuzz> popey, actually i thought about debian + fluxbox or something. but im getting bored of the joggler stuff now :)
[21:04] <exobuzz> very basic, with just base stuff + X. nothing more..
[21:06] <daubers> Gah! Why does this slow down!! Stupid stupid stupid program
[21:07] <bigcalm> The most wanted woman, Barbra Streisand
[21:07] <bigcalm> What a great track
[21:09] <bigcalm> I think that it might be my headphones that make everything sound good though
[21:10] <sisto> popey: i'm listening to you on the net@night episode :)
[21:10] <exobuzz> nice video. hehe.. nice bug too ;-)
[21:10] <bigcalm> popey: plug some decent headphones into the Joggler and let me know if you can hear a constant background noise?
[21:10] <exobuzz> bigcalm, if you hear background noise, i have 3 different fixes :)
[21:11] <bigcalm> Oh?
[21:11] <exobuzz> detailed on my joggler pages
[21:11] <bigcalm> \o/
[21:11] <bigcalm> Linky?
[21:11] <exobuzz> http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/
[21:11] <bigcalm> Oh, doh
[21:11] <bigcalm> :)
[21:11] <bigcalm> I didn't realise that was your site :)
[21:12] <bigcalm> exobuzz: thank you for creating something to make the Joggler useable :)
[21:12] <exobuzz> np. i quite enjoyed doing it. apart from the website and documentation. :-)
[21:12] <gordonjcp> 21:08 < bigcalm> I think that it might be my headphones that make everything  sound good though
[21:12] <bigcalm> Documentation is a PitA
[21:12]  * gordonjcp is working quite hard on making thing sounds good ;-)
[21:13] <gordonjcp> "good" being 8-bit 14kHz sample rate, and sweepable resonant filters
[21:13] <bigcalm> I like my cans :)
[21:13] <daubers> GAHHHHH!
[21:13] <daubers> Stupid MySQLdb
[21:14] <exobuzz> but the circuitry of the joggler isnt basically very good to not have the cpu etc interfere with the audio, and it can very easily. people have similar issues on some motherboards with built in audio. but you can disable the cpu power/idle states and it should help.. although joggler will run warmer idle
[21:15] <bigcalm> I was just testing the headphone socket
[21:15] <exobuzz> by default my images switched between cstates 0 1 2 4 although i believe the cpu can do up to 6. for whatever reason the intel_idle driver didnt want to. before using acpi to switch the interference was even worse. some jogglers also suffer more than others
[21:15] <exobuzz> it seems to affect the headphone socket more or be more audible from that
[21:16] <exobuzz> one user has 4 jogglers. 2 are nice and quiet. 2 have horrible interference in the audio.. so there could be some hardware differences too
[21:17] <exobuzz> the fixes on the page silence the interference for all 4 though.. you still might hear some slight background sound. its possible, but that could just be the shite sound hardware :)
[21:18] <exobuzz> actually hte sound is pretty good considering.. but shite if you want something that sounds like £300 soundcard
[21:19] <ipopey> Yo yo yo
[21:20] <exobuzz> yoyo
[21:20] <bigcalm> ipopey: sheep!
[21:20] <bigcalm> exobuzz: aye, it's good for what it is
[21:20] <bigcalm> This is going to work well as a bed side web device
[21:21] <bigcalm> Need to sort out a clock though
[21:21] <exobuzz> squeezeplay has a nice looking cock
[21:21] <exobuzz> clock.
[21:22] <Neil3> O_o
[21:22]  * Neil3 pokes Dr Freud
[21:22] <bigcalm> HAha
[21:23] <neptune> dfsa
[21:23] <exobuzz> ive obviously been in the gutter of the internets.
[21:24] <exobuzz> used squeezeplay? i have a deb that works on jolicloud on the joggler site
[21:24] <bigcalm> Can't say that I have
[21:24] <exobuzz> nice way to listen to your music collection around the house.
[21:25] <bigcalm> Humm
[21:25] <exobuzz> client/server system
[21:25] <exobuzz> you need the server on your fileserver with your music etc
[21:25] <bigcalm> I really should centralise that on a linux box at some point
[21:29] <bigcalm> Either I have sauage fingers, or the touch screen is very inaquirate
[21:31] <bigcalm> Aha!!
[21:31] <exobuzz> popey, your usb stick. what does hdparm -t say about it ?
[21:31] <bigcalm> I can write my own stuff for this with PHP/JS/foo
[21:32] <bigcalm> Humm, can you disable the screen saver?
[21:33] <sisto> i had to increase the font size to notice what this character is... ☃
[21:33] <sisto> it's great!
[21:35] <bigcalm> Oh bugger to wikileaks
[21:35] <bigcalm> Glad I did my amazon shopping before .co.uk went down
[21:37] <ipopey> exobuzz: Dunno its in the other room and I am comfy :)
[21:38] <exobuzz> i see.. well. for another time perhaps :) do you have a beer fridge within reach ? :)
[21:40] <bigcalm> exobuzz: that's what children are for
[21:40] <ipopey> Oh... Wifey on phone, will go do it now
[21:41] <ipopey> Uhhh
[21:41] <ipopey> How to get terminal?
[21:41] <bigcalm> alt f1
[21:41] <ipopey> No alt
[21:42] <ipopey> I mean no f keys
[21:42] <bigcalm> Not with the onscreen kb?
[21:42] <ipopey> No
[21:42] <bigcalm> There is on mine
[21:42] <bigcalm> Odd
[21:42] <sisto> what are you guys talking about?
[21:43] <sisto> which device
[21:43] <ipopey> Eh
[21:43] <ipopey> How come
[21:43] <ipopey> It's an option
[21:43] <bigcalm> ipopey: on the Joggler?
[21:43] <ipopey> Fr Florence
[21:45] <ipopey> exobuzz: 13.01 mb/s
[21:46] <ipopey> What do you get exobuzz bigcalm ?
[21:50]  * popey has installed ssh on his joggler :)
[21:50] <dwatkins> client, I assume, popey
[21:51] <popey> server
[21:51] <dwatkins> ah ok, so you're remotely connecting to it and running an IRC client inside a screen session or something?
[21:51] <popey> not irc, no
[21:51] <dwatkins> I want a gumstix PC
[21:51] <popey> just ssh ing in
[21:51] <exobuzz> ipopey, you can turn on f keys on florence keyboard
[21:52] <dwatkins> oh, I was confused by the username, [i]popey ;-)
[21:52] <exobuzz> you probably have my first image..
[21:52] <exobuzz> i changed the defaults for second. also i added screen calibration to panel
[21:52] <popey> dwatkins: ipopey is me on the ipad
[21:52] <bigcalm> Timing buggered disk reads: 44 MB in 3.00 seconds = 14.67 MB/sec
[21:52] <popey> ah exobuzz
[21:52] <exobuzz> just wondering how fast those small usbs are. not terribe but not very quick either
[21:52] <popey> thats better than mine bigcalm
[21:52] <dwatkins> aha, I suspected an IOS device, ipopey
[21:53] <popey> mine isnt usb
[21:53] <exobuzz> oh
[21:53] <popey> its an sdhc card
[21:53] <bigcalm> SanDisk Cruzer 4gb
[21:53] <exobuzz> aah. i would recommend then btrfs with or with compression but in ssd mode
[21:53] <popey> i do have a 32GB cruzer
[21:53] <exobuzz> not the ext4 image..
[21:53] <popey> ok
[21:53] <exobuzz> due to the journal destroyer of flash
[21:53] <bigcalm> Oh
[21:53] <exobuzz> especially it seems some types of card more than others
[21:54] <bigcalm> I'm using ext4 on mine, would I be better of with btrfs?
[21:54] <exobuzz> well. i only offer btrfs with compress which is a little slow at times.. ext4 is fast. depends if you care about a dead card or not or taking the risk :)
[21:54] <Azelphur> is there any successor/similar device to the N900 roaming about yet?
[21:54] <exobuzz> you can turn off compression in fstab and rsync the files off and back on again (mounting without compression)
[21:54] <bigcalm> usb memory sticks are cheap
[21:54] <Azelphur> something debiany so I can install real Linux apps to it but at the same time a phone
[21:55] <bigcalm> Store everything in the cloud?
[21:55] <bigcalm> Grr, cannie remember the sshd package name
[21:55] <exobuzz> openssh-server
[21:55] <popey> ssh
[21:55] <popey> it will install openssh-server
[21:55] <bigcalm> That's the one
[21:55] <exobuzz> that too :D
[21:55] <exobuzz> heh
[21:55] <bigcalm> Oh, ok
[21:56] <dwatkins> I collected my Ubuntu server yesterday, it had been offline for a fortnight, thanks to my Virgin Media cablemodem hanging :(
[21:56] <dwatkins> I went to the trouble of putting a UPS on it, I should also have put a timer on the cablemodem's powersupply to turn it off for a minute each day.
[21:57] <dwatkins> s/UPS on it/UPS on the server/
[21:57] <exobuzz> :/
[22:02] <bigcalm> popey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00wqfl2
[22:02] <bigcalm> Next on Thursday :)
[22:02] <popey> :)
[22:03] <shauno> is that the first episode thurs?
[22:03] <sisto> I'm watching walking dead
[22:04]  * bigcalm checks iPlayer
[22:04] <sisto> watched all the episodes
[22:04] <sisto> want more
[22:04] <exobuzz> anyone here use iplayer on xbmc ?
[22:04] <sisto> also watching big bang theory
[22:04] <bigcalm> I tried it on Boxee, but found it more useable directly via the Virgin box
[22:05] <exobuzz> boxee has a different implementation from xbmc
[22:05] <exobuzz> they use flash i think
[22:05] <bigcalm> Oh
[22:05] <bigcalm> TBH, not used the revo as a TV device for months
[22:05] <exobuzz> xbmc uses librtmp and streams it directly with a plugin interface
[22:05] <bigcalm> It's almost exclusively the house server now without the desktop being used
[22:06] <exobuzz> i still use my xbox1 for xbmc
[22:06] <popey> i do too occasionally
[22:06] <exobuzz> popey, you run xbmc on xbox1 ?
[22:06] <exobuzz> cool. do you use the latest xbmc4xbox builds ?
[22:06] <popey> yes
[22:06] <popey> no
[22:07] <popey> need to update it sometime
[22:07] <exobuzz> http://www.sshcs.com/xbmc/?mode=NSAC&AR=XBOX for the latest built from svn
[22:07] <popey> i worry I'm gonna brick it
[22:07] <exobuzz> you could install it to another folder, and then launch it from the old one to test.
[22:08] <popey> true
[22:08] <exobuzz> http://www.xbmc4xbox.org/xbmc4xbox-3-0-reaches-beta2
[22:08] <exobuzz> was working on it a fair amount before i got sidetracked with the joggler
[22:09] <popey> yeah, need to update it, maybe at xmas
[22:09] <exobuzz> (hence my interest in who is running it :D)
[22:09] <popey> might poke you for help
[22:09] <exobuzz> sure no probs
[22:09] <popey> does iplayer work on it?
[22:09] <exobuzz> yeh.
[22:09] <popey> cool
[22:09] <popey> never tried that
[22:10] <exobuzz> i would like to have xbmc on the joggler of course. just waiting for next emgd release and hoping it fixes it
[22:10] <exobuzz> intel said in a forum posting 1st quarter 2011..
[22:11] <exobuzz> despite the fact their current one is only for xorg 1.6 or 1.7 and not 1.7 or 1.9.. :/
[22:11] <exobuzz> i mean 1.6 or 1.8
[22:11] <exobuzz> (all my joggler builds have xorg 1.8 .. jolicloud comes with 1.7.6 so its an upgrade. maverick comes with 1.9 so its a downgrade)
[22:14] <popey> emgd?
[22:15] <popey> will that support GMA500?
[22:15] <exobuzz> emgd is one of three gfx drivers for the powervr stuff. it supports gma500
[22:16] <exobuzz> but from what i heard for netbooks with gma500 psb driver is better for some stuff
[22:16] <exobuzz> you also have iegd.. which isnt updated since march
[22:16] <popey> nice
[22:16] <popey> that would be great for lots of devices
[22:21] <Azelphur> I'm thinking about a new phone
[22:22] <Azelphur> I wish I could get a phone that could run desktop Linux apps and android apps and have a physical keyboard and be cheap rofl
[22:22] <Azelphur> if only. :(
[22:22] <niall> re: the pulseaudio issue which causes Totem to crash, is there a solution available through the update manager? Currently I'm just rm -rf'ing ~/.pulse when the issue arises, but clearly this incurs a penalty of loss of functionality with the system panel/dock applet.
[22:24] <niall> Azelphur, use a bluetooth netbook as the audio device with a bluetooth phone of any sort that will also do SMS via bluetooth, job done?
[22:24] <Azelphur> niall: except you can't walk and type on a netbook :p
[22:25] <niall> Well, there is that. When I got an Xperia X10 I realised that it took two hands to type on it anyway and sold it again. Physical keyboards ftw.
[22:25] <Azelphur> niall: my G1 has a physical keyboard and I type on it with 2 hands while walking :D
[22:26] <niall> I should say, two hands and two eyes... that's too much of a sacrifice. With my N95 8GB, one hand, no eyes = perfect typing and navigation.
[22:26] <stgraber> Azelphur: my n900 runs maemo so I can install most of what's in Debian, it dual-boots quite well on android and has a physical keyboard. It cost me 280GBP last year ;)
[22:26] <niall> The N900 is very nice :)
[22:27] <Azelphur> N900 is indeed on my short list :p
[22:27] <niall> I'm happy with my old S60 brick and a netbook. Phones for phoning, computers for computing, IBM Model Ms for typing.
[22:27] <Azelphur> stgraber: the problem with N900 is meego is no doubt gonna run bad on it :(
[22:28] <niall> I wanted an N900 but they were out of stock by the time I got to renewing my contract. Thought about an N8 but saw the X10. Went for that. Sold it after a few days.
[22:29] <niall> Also, few if any of these newer smart phones have the charging socket in the right place: at the bottom; It's hard to shove a phone into an active charging cradle in your car if it requires that you plug a cable in. My N95 just slides in and the charger plug mates perfectly with no fuss at all. That's a huge deal for me. I can't stand wires draped all over my centre console!
[22:30] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:30] <Azelphur> niall: I'm not bothered about wires, I want hackery :p
[22:31] <niall> Ahh, well, I grok that, but my car is special. No *visible* hackery allowed.
[22:32] <niall> Despite the mass of gadgets and amps and such, there are no wires, connectors, splitters, joiners or anything of the sort showing.
[22:32] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:32] <Azelphur> I don't have a car :D
[22:36] <bigcalm> <audio src="horse.ogg" controls="controls" autoplay="autoplay" loop="loop">
[22:36] <bigcalm> It's all coming together nicely :)
[22:36] <niall> Never thought I'd see the day but cars are more fun than networks imho. I seem to throw more money into and get more enjoyment from my car than any gadgets or gear I've had.
[22:37] <bigcalm> popey: where are you likely to use your Joggler?
[22:41] <ali1234> i just accidentally proved that sin(x) = sin(180-x) but unfortunately this does not explain why my code doesn't work :(
[22:42] <bigcalm> x = 0 ?
[22:42]  * gordonjcp has surprisingly few wires dangling around in the van
[22:42] <gordonjcp> the only really exposed added wires are for spare aerials
[22:42] <ali1234> no, x = any number
[22:43] <bigcalm> Oh, 180 being the inverse?
[22:43] <niall> gordonjcp, ham?
[22:43] <gordonjcp> niall: yeah
[22:43] <gordonjcp> niall: and pmr, I've got two radios for a UHF and a VHF trunked network and a conventional VHF radio for 2m and VHF midband PMR
[22:44] <gordonjcp> http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/van.jpg
[22:44] <gordonjcp> ^ and a telescopic mast ;-)
[22:44] <ali1234> bigcalm: it's the equivalent to cos(x) = cos(-x) ... since sin(90+x) = cos(x) ... it's shifted. in hindsight this is obvious, but i just spent an hour proving it, trying to find the bug in my trig code
[22:44] <bigcalm> Hehe
[22:45] <ali1234> trying to fit a circle of fixed radius into a corner (ie by tangents)
[22:45] <ali1234> both the ways of doing it turned out to be the same
[22:59] <dogmatic69> is there a way to symlink a whole lot of folders at once
[22:59] <dogmatic69> eg: /dir/from/* /dir/to/
[23:00] <dogmatic69> so all the folders in /dir/from will be in /dir/to
[23:01] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Simple shell for loop
[23:01] <dogmatic69> ok
[23:02] <dogmatic69> im rather new to *nix so not so simple :P
[23:02] <penguin42> ok, so you want a symlink in /dir/to/flop to point to a directory in /dir/from/ called flop?
[23:04] <dogmatic69> something like that /dir/from_existing_folder/{folder1|folder2|folder3} and should have /dir/to_existing_folder/{folder1|folder2|folder3}
[23:05] <penguin42> something like for NAME in /dir/from/*; do ln -s $NAME /dir/to/`basename $NAME`; done
[23:05] <sisto> dogmatic69: what do you need that for?
[23:06] <dogmatic69> sisto: lazyness, im running cakephp which is in /var/www/frameworks/cakephp, my site is /var/www/sites/dogmatic69.com/public_html
[23:07] <dogmatic69> cake has a plugins folder, so i want to symlink the plugins from my site to cake so that i can set up other sites with the same stuff without the actual files
[23:07] <dogmatic69> contents of /var/www/sites/dogmatic69.com/public_html/plugins should be linked in /var/www/frameworks/cakephp/plugins
[23:08] <penguin42> can't you just do one symlink?
[23:08] <dogmatic69> not really, its actuall 3x different folders from my site to one folder in cake
[23:09] <dogmatic69>  /var/www/sites/dogmatic69.com/public_html/{plugins|core|developer} should all show in /var/www/frameworks/cakephp/plugins
[23:11] <dogmatic69> sisto: so this is the whole command "for NAME in /dir/from/*; do ln -s $NAME /dir/to/`basename $NAME`; done"
[23:11] <dogmatic69> without the "
[23:12] <sisto> i'm not sure penguin42
[23:12] <sisto> ...is the expert
[23:12] <sisto> but it looks right to me
[23:12] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Yeh try it on a directory you can afford to lose - I haven't checked it
[23:13] <dogmatic69> the all git repos
[23:13] <dogmatic69> can always hit the rebuild slice button :/
[23:13] <sisto> dogmatic69: if you want to be sure check the syntax for the bash for loop
[23:14] <BigRedS> looks about right
[23:14] <dogmatic69> ill just give it a go
[23:15] <dogmatic69> busy backing up the files
[23:15] <BigRedS> I'd do a print in place of ln to check it's working
[23:15] <sisto> yes you can use:  do echo "ln -s $NAME /dir/to/`basename $NAME`";
[23:17] <sisto> i just made me a quesadilla with cheese ham mushrooms pomarola sauce and tabasco
[23:17] <sisto> yum
[23:18] <sisto> that made me remember about the make me a sandwich xkcd comic
[23:19] <sisto> http://xkcd.com/149/
[23:19] <dogmatic69> basename: missing operand
[23:19] <dogmatic69> Try `basename --help' for more information.
[23:20] <sisto> what did you run exactly?
[23:21] <dogmatic69> echo "ln -s $NAME /var/www/sites/dogmatic69.com/public_html/plugins `basename $NAME`"
[23:21] <dogmatic69> that should show a list right?
[23:23] <sisto> i thought you were going to use the for loop
[23:23] <sisto> i don't know what basename is
[23:26] <BigRedS> given a path to a file, it returns the file name
[23:26] <BigRedS> basically the element after the last '.'
[23:26] <BigRedS> er, '/'
[23:28] <dogmatic69> almost got it, just needs a / at the end of /path/to
[23:29] <dogmatic69> now i got lots of /plugins{dir_name}
[23:30] <dogmatic69> does rm /some/symlink only delete the symlink?
[23:31] <dogmatic69> or will it go through the link and delete the actual files
[23:31] <penguin42> it'll delete the symlink
[23:33] <dogmatic69> thanks
[23:49] <Guest71777> hi