[03:52] <gem_cat> studio wiped my passwords - what happened?
[03:53] <gem_cat> i am doing a clean install of ubuntu now
[03:54] <gem_cat> my instinct is to change passwords befofre rebooting studio - but why should I need to do that?
[04:02] <gem_cat> also the limits setting on Jack, does that affect what software gets installed? I wouldnt think so but it comes in the middle of the install
[04:35] <gem_cat> ok thanks - t&e works ... eventually
[06:22] <ronj> hi
[06:23] <ronj> testing Natty; I keep having "Cannot create thread 1 Operation not permitted" errors when starting jack with Qjackctl, though my realtime setup is done as usual
[06:24] <holstein> interesting...
[06:24] <ronj> are there new/specific things to do?
[06:24] <holstein> does it run?
[06:24] <ronj> hi holstein
[06:24] <holstein> OK?
[06:24] <holstein> hey :)
[06:24] <ronj> no it doesn't
[06:24] <holstein> :/
[06:25] <holstein> ronj: have you hit up the list?
[06:25] <ronj> not yet
[06:25] <holstein> i havnet had a chance to get an install going
[06:25] <holstein> natty
[06:25] <ronj> yup
[06:25] <holstein> i hope to before it releases ;)
[06:25] <ronj> I reinstalled with todays iso and no longer have my gdm problem
[06:25] <holstein> AH
[06:25] <holstein> thats progress
[06:25] <ronj> and now this, but I figured I may have forgotten something...
[06:26] <ronj> ^^
[06:26] <holstein> ronj: does sudo qjackctl do it?
[06:26] <holstein> just to double check permissions
[06:29] <ronj> uhm no
[06:29] <ronj> same error
[06:29] <ronj> and yup my user is in the "audio" group
[06:30] <holstein> could be some JACK thing i guess
[06:30] <holstein> maybe an updated package borking up the works
[08:06] <Blank__> :O
[08:06] <Blank__> ronj!
[08:06] <Blank__> the same ronj who released two albums in ardour as CC?
[08:07] <ronj> Blank__, hello
[08:07] <ronj> yup
[08:07] <ronj> ^^
[08:08] <ronj> glad you ask
[08:08] <Blank__> ronj, I had a go at mixing a track or two from that, had to fiddle around a bit because the ardour sessions were in mono for "naked"?
[08:09] <ronj> Blank__, all I did till now is pure mono. I'm not at all an audio engineer, and I thought that instead of borking stereo stuff I'd rather do my best at mono stuff
[08:09] <Blank__> ah...
[08:09] <ronj> one day I'll do a proper stereo album with competent people :P
[08:09] <Blank__> ardour 2.x can't make mono masters into stereo, so i had to add a stereo buss and mix to that :P
[08:10] <Blank__> not that i can claim to fully understand the intricacies of stereo mixing
[08:10] <Blank__> i let a few people have a listen to it, including an audio engineer with 20 years' experience, and my mum didn't like "Lies", she thought it was too depressing :p
[08:11] <ronj> ^^
[08:12] <ronj> and what did the engineer say?
[08:12] <Blank__> the engineer thought it was an interesting sound, we listened to it in his studio with Mackie speakers
[08:12] <Blank__> very... dark sounding
[08:12] <Blank__> i pointed out it was all done with SM57/58
[08:12] <ronj> wow hey you probably had better gear than I did
[08:12] <ronj> this was done on Logitech crap
[08:12] <Blank__> he had Mackie HR824s
[08:12] <ronj> :P
[08:12] <Blank__> ...i think that's the name of them, i don't like them, too bright
[08:13] <Blank__> aluminium tweeters >.<
[08:13] <Blank__> i mixed the track using Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro headphones
[08:13] <Blank__> because my monitors are Bose 301s
[08:13] <Blank__> :P
[08:13] <Blank__> from the early 70s
[08:14] <ronj> I'm soooooooo lost in all this pro audio stuff
[08:15] <ronj> for my next record I'm going to take some audio engineering lessons, and do it with experienced people
[08:16] <ronj> Blank__, do you have some compos online?
[08:17] <Blank__> compos?
[08:17] <Blank__> i have a rough mix of your "Lies" track i could upload if you like
[08:17] <Blank__> but no real compositions of my own, just random crap I recorded years ago
[08:17] <ronj> ok
[08:18] <ronj> sure I'd be glad to hear your mix
[08:18] <ronj> what kind of music are you into?
[08:19] <Blank__> alternative rock, a bit of acoustic
[08:19] <Blank__> i play guitar so naturally i like guitar-based music
[08:19] <ronj> k
[08:19] <Blank__> just had to grab my phone, the mixdown was on there
[08:21] <ronj> Blank__, "alternative rock, a bit of acoustic" >> makes me think I just got four tickets for Godspeed You! Black Emperor in April in Montreal, I'm soooooo happy to finally see them
[08:21] <ronj> do you know Godspeed?
[08:22] <Blank__> I've heard of them, but not very well
[08:22] <ronj> Blank__, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsf2LoLk3SA&fmt=18
[08:22] <ronj> gods
[08:24] <Blank__> just uploading the mix now
[08:24] <Blank__> it's ogg 192kbps
[08:24] <ronj> yay!
[08:25] <Blank__> i haven't fixed the taps on the guitar yet
[08:25] <Blank__> http://blankw.okapi.feralhosting.com/ronj/1_lies_rough_9_11_10.ogg
[08:25] <Blank__> there's also some more stuff I want to do towards the end
[08:27] <ronj> I like the dynamics you added around 1:10
[08:27] <Blank__> yeah, i wanted it to "bite" a bit
[08:27] <Blank__> i kept the vocals a bit bright, too
[08:29] <ronj> Blank__, if you wish so, send me your email, I'll have you in the loop when I start the work on my new album
[08:29] <Blank__> oo, sounds good
[08:29] <Blank__> there y'go
[08:29] <Blank__> i should finish that mix, it has potential
[08:30] <Blank__> i feel that i'm better at mastering though, as i get overwhelmed if someone throws a stack of sources to mix at me
[08:31] <Blank__> but i liked how you put each track in an ardour session, that was easy enough to deal with
[08:31] <ronj> :P
[08:31] <ronj> Blank__, that's because I record everything separately
[08:31] <ronj> (I had no other choice till now)
[08:31] <Blank__> ah yep
[08:32] <ronj> just sent you an email
[08:32] <Blank__> i've had the potential to record stuff in multitrack for a while but i haven't as I don't have anything to record
[08:32] <Blank__> but yeah, i really like your stuff
[08:34] <ronj> thanks :) . more to come, I have currently four new songs, and I'd like to add some beats to this
[08:34] <Blank__> oh, nice
[08:34] <ronj> do something less minimalistic
[08:35] <Blank__> yeah
[08:35] <Blank__> spread your wings a bit :p
[08:36] <ronj> yup ^^ . I played two of them live just acoustic some months ago : "france" and "reborn" at http://www.youtube.com/user/ronjandfriends
[22:13] <ronj> Hi I'm still stuck at running Jack/Natty, help welcome. I sent an email to the devel list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-December/002873.html
[22:20] <holstein> ronj:
[22:20] <holstein> can you run JACK without the firewire device?
[22:20] <holstein> im wondering if its JACK or FFADO
[22:23] <ronj> hm trying
[22:37] <ronj> holstein, jack works fine with alsa on my intel hda
[22:39] <holstein> ronj: interesting
[22:39] <holstein> not sure what we can learn from that...
[22:39] <holstein> seems like FFADO though
[22:40] <holstein> instead of permissions
[22:40] <holstein> i mean..
[22:40] <holstein> or permissions
[22:40] <holstein> instead of JACK
[22:45] <ronj> holstein, what do you mean?
[22:46] <ronj> any ideas of other things I should test?
[22:46]  * holstein thinking...
[22:46] <ronj> :P
[22:46] <holstein> ronj: is the old freebob driver still there?
[22:47] <ronj> rrright, good idea
[22:47] <ronj> uh no
[22:48] <ronj> the menu item is there, but then "unknown driver freebob"
[22:48] <holstein> i think its been on the remove list for a while
[22:49] <ronj> gonna ask on #ardour
[22:49] <holstein> i would ask in #jack
[22:49] <holstein> maybe #ffado
[22:49] <holstein> the ffado mailing list
[22:49] <holstein> #ardour is smart too though
[22:49] <holstein> and active
[22:49] <ronj> yup