[03:05] <MephistoM> check out my latest edubuntu installation : http://meeting.knet.ca/mp19/mod/book/view.php?id=3303
[03:08] <stgraber> MephistoM: cool!
[03:10] <MephistoM> right on, thanks stgraber
[20:41] <highvoltage> I just looked at the state of sugar in natty, imho it won't be all that worth while for inclusion for this release
[21:05] <mhall119> highvoltage: xdg-launcher is up to 0.0.4 now, auto-refreshing on menu changes or app install/remove
[21:05] <mhall119> thanks to daker
[21:06] <daker> i am working on autohiding the launcher
[21:06] <mhall119> +1
[21:06] <mhall119> \o/
[21:07] <mhall119> I really appreciate the contributions daker
[21:07] <mhall119> it's gonna make Qimo really rock
[21:07] <daker> woo :)
[21:07] <mhall119> now I need to get started working on my desktop sessions
[21:07] <mhall119> highvoltage: any good references for building ISOs for seed files?
[21:09] <highvoltage> mhall119: jriddell is going through the NEW queue tomorrow, the package should go into universe then. sbalneav has been quiet recently, we just need a +1 from him then we can give you edubuntu-dev status to directly upload that (well, once we have it in a seed, which shouldn't be a biggie)
[21:10] <highvoltage> (nice that it's autorefreshing now)
[21:10] <mhall119> yeah, I was playing around with the auto-refreshing all morning
[21:12] <highvoltage> mhall119: on the seed files, it depends. there are different docs on the ubuntu wiki explaining it, if you want qimo to become an official ubuntu derivative and build it using canonical infrastructure, then it might be worth while doing it, otherwise it's probably not worth while if it's for qimo
[21:13] <mhall119> highvoltage: at this point Qimo's staying outside of canonical
[21:13] <mhall119> but I thought maybe there were build tools that would generate an ISO from the seeds, that I can run locally
[21:13] <mhall119> I'm okay using my own infrastructure, I just want a way to automate the building
[21:15] <highvoltage> mhall119: I have a script that can do that, I've used it for a long time now, but have been meaning to release it at some point. I guess I'll work on that this Friday then, if you'd like to test it let me know
[21:15] <mhall119> highvoltage: that's be great, thanks
[21:16] <mhall119> I want to move away from "strip down xubuntu and install qimo packages" and towards "start with a core ubuntu and add qimo packages and dependencies"
[21:16] <mhall119> hopefully it'll buy me a little more room on the CD image
[21:18] <highvoltage> mhall119: my script builds the disc from scratch, using debootstrap to set up a minimal ubuntu environment, then it installs metapackages as defined in a configuration file that installs the rest of the system. that would allow you to automate building qimo completely, and with not much effort
[21:19] <mhall119> awesome
[21:19] <highvoltage> yep, you could simply not include stuff you don't need in your meta-packages
[21:19] <mhall119> let me know when it's somewhere I can grab it
[21:19] <mhall119> I need to see how much of xubuntu I can get rid of
[21:19] <highvoltage> ok, poke me again on Friday, I probably won't forget, but just in case :)
[21:20] <mhall119> ok
[21:20] <mhall119> in the mean time I'll get started updating my existing packages and making new ones
[21:43] <Morsey> hello?
[21:43] <alkisg> Hi
[21:45] <Morsey> How you doing?  I've stumbled across edubuntu and have a couple of questions - reckon you could answer them? :)
[21:45] <alkisg> !question
[21:47] <Morsey> Is it possible to run edubuntu in a livecd (not DVD) manner?  I have lots of old laptops at school which can't cope with the current install of XP and I am not permitted to change the harddrive...
[21:48] <alkisg> How much ram do they have?
[21:49] <Morsey> 512MB
[21:49] <alkisg> Do you have something to use as a server? E.g. your own laptop?
[21:50] <Morsey> That's a really good point - yes I do...
[21:51] <alkisg> You have a couple of options, I think the best one is to make your laptop a roaming LTSP server
[21:51] <alkisg> This way the clients will boot as fat clients and have their accounts, data etc all on your laptop. They'll be faster than your current XP installation
[21:52] <alkisg> Another way is to make them netboot the edubuntu dvd from your laptop. This is the easiest / quickest way, you just boot the live dvd on your own laptop and run a script: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#line-77
[21:52] <alkisg> But it'll be much slower and the students won't be able to save stuff.
[21:53] <Morsey> I like the idea of the LTSP server - thanks, I'll give it a go.  My only concern is that of bandwidth - do I really need the 1gb/15 clients as recommended?
[21:54] <alkisg> It's 10 times faster, sure. But for fat clients it's a little more tolerable than for thin clients
[21:54] <alkisg> E.g. for thin clients with 100 mbps you can open openoffice in 2 secs, but when you use it, the screen updates will be slow
[21:54] <Morsey> ahh - ok.
[21:55] <alkisg> For fat clients with 100mbps, it might take 15 secs to open, but screen updates will be instant
[21:56] <Morsey> will the individual clients network connections be routed through my laptop then? Or would i be able to configure them to connect through their own wireless cards? I'm thinking about tracking who does what on the internet...
[21:57] <alkisg> It's difficult to netboot wireless clients
[21:57] <alkisg> Can't they use wired connections?
[21:58] <Morsey> they can use wired connections to me - but I would prefer them to use their original wireless cards for internet access. That way they current montoring systems will still work. (not my systems, all based on MAC addresses.....)
[21:58] <alkisg> They can access the internet through their own ethernet (wired) cards without going through your laptop, if that's what you want
[21:58] <alkisg> You could also setup wireless connections but it would be tricky
[21:59] <Morsey> ok - I'll worry about getting a trial up and running first. thanks for your help!
[21:59] <alkisg> You're welcome