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=== mueslix is now known as muesli
danttigreat :( even after installing itunes on a vm and creating an account I can't by the albuns I want!! Stupid apple & amazon01:13
valoriewhy?01:17
valorieI agree that they are stupid, but what happens?01:17
valoriewhile I'm at it, got no answer in #phonon, so I'll ask here: is this sentence correct, for Ubuntu users? Phonon-backend-vlc is in the repositories, as is phonon-backend-gstreamer.01:22
danttivalorie: well I live in brazil, and then don't want to sell the music I want because I live here! :P01:22
danttiI'm trying to buy mp3 not cds should be easier :/01:23
valorieI don't understand why these companies are so idiotically STUPID!!!01:25
valorieyou are teh smart01:25
valoriewe're trying to get a music store working in amarok01:25
valoriesoon......01:25
danttivalorie: oh nice, pls sell to brazil :D01:26
danttithat kind of music isn't for sale here so I don't get why they can't sell it for me...01:27
valorieI can't imagine that we would discriminate by country01:27
valoriethe PAL thing for DVDs is stupid, too01:28
valoriewhy are they so idiotic?01:28
valoriegrrrrr01:28
danttiat least afaik blueray has less regions01:29
valorieregions01:30
valorieso stupid01:30
macovalorie, dantti: the reason different music is available in different countries is due to licensing restrictions. it all depends what sort of contracts they could get with which record labels01:45
danttimaco: sure but I don't get why don't sell abroad if you aren't even exporting to there .. 01:46
danttiif they didn't want to have concurrence here it would make sence: "go buy in you local shop", but it is not available here :P01:47
macosounds like those record labels just plain dont want to sell there then01:47
danttiit's a shame, now I have to hope some good sould share it in torrents or someone buy it for me :P01:48
macomaybe you can buy from amazon.com?01:50
danttimaco: no, I tried it first, it was $5 cheaper01:51
macobut i mean, they ship all over the world01:51
danttithen I saw itunes would sell abroad, but I found that there is an itunes store here (which does not have what I want) :P01:51
danttimaco: they don't ship everything01:52
macoand amazon doesnt seem to care whether your billing address fits their tld (ive bought from amazon uk)01:52
danttimaco: well I tried to buy the mp3 and cd  (and a mouse a while ago) and they complained by my billin address,01:53
macohrmph01:53
yofelvalorie: phonon-backend-gstreamer and phonon-backend-vlc are both in the repository (vlc since maverick)01:53
danttiI tried to buy a geforce too, but gave up and went to ebay01:53
macoone of my friends says amazon is convinced she is a slovakian criminal01:53
danttihehe01:53
valoriethanks yofel, I thought so, but wanted to be sure01:53
danttithey should open an excemption since today is my birthday lol01:54
yofeloh, happy birthday then dantti :)01:56
valoriehappy bday dantti!01:56
danttithanks :)01:57
* apachelogger thinks that dantti_work should just not live in brazil :P09:20
apacheloggervalorie: for pal vs ntsc vs secam vs foobar you have to thank patenting IIRC09:21
apachelogger...also pal is superior anyway...09:21
valoriepatenting software; who thought THAT was a good idea09:22
valorie:(09:22
valorieI know how/why, but don't understand why people just let it happen09:22
valorieor put up with it09:22
apacheloggerdantti_work: one must annouce once birthday beforehand btw....09:23
* apachelogger congratulates dantti and throws a ton of cookies at him09:23
apacheloggervalorie: it is not the software, it is the actual alogrithm if I am not mistaken09:24
valoriethat's like patenting genes09:25
valoriewhich they also allow09:25
valoriethe world is crazy09:25
apacheloggerwiki does not know :O09:25
apacheloggerIn the early 1970s some Japanese set manufacturers developed decoding systems to avoid paying royalties to Telefunken. The Telefunken licence covered any decoding method that relied on the alternating subcarrier phase to reduce phase errors.09:25
apacheloggergood enough for me, clearly the company who invented PAL wants money09:26
apacheloggerfor whatever legal reason their might be09:26
valorieI wouldn't be against patenting and copyrighting and such if it was reasonable09:27
valoriebut no, it's 87 years plus one million, or something09:27
valoriedon't listen to me, I'm grumpy09:27
* apachelogger is tired09:29
apacheloggerand I dont have milk for my tea09:30
apacheloggertoday appears to be rather horrible09:30
* valorie DCCs milk to apachelogger09:30
valoriealthough I only have non-fat09:30
apacheloggerquassel does not do DCC :P09:30
valorielol09:31
apacheloggerwe are not the filesharing kind... ;)09:31
valoriewell, to be strictly honest, milk doesn't DCC well anyway09:31
apacheloggerdid you try it before?09:31
valorieonly a thought experiment09:31
valorie:-)09:31
apacheloggerone always needs proof...09:32
=== Tm_T_ is now known as Tm_Tr
apacheloggervalorie: btw, what was this phonon stuff about?09:33
valoriesomeone who uses ubuntu said they couldn't find another backend besides xine09:34
valoriein the forum09:34
valorieI just wanted to be sure to give out good info09:34
ali think pal vs ntsc wasn't abount patents09:34
alit just turned out that ntsc sucks, so the clever europeans came up with pal ;)09:35
alyou all know what ntsc is short for?09:35
valorieno?09:35
alnever the same color :>09:35
valoriehaha09:35
valoriethe best system definitely does not always win09:35
apacheloggerwell09:36
valorieblu-ray, for instance, wasn't clearly better09:36
* apachelogger does not get why one could not migrate09:36
apachelogger...09:36
valoriebetamax was better than whateveritwas that won that war09:36
valorieetc.09:36
valorieapachelogger: are you implying that coconuts *migrate*?09:37
apacheloggerqemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped09:37
apacheloggerqemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped09:37
apacheloggerSegmentation fault09:37
apacheloggerSegmentation fault09:37
apacheloggerthis xbuiding annoys the shit out of me09:37
apacheloggervalorie: see monty python and the holy grail....09:37
* apachelogger is implying just that09:38
valorielol09:38
valorieI couldn't do without monty python!09:38
apacheloggeractually I think the phrase is are you suggesting that coconuts migrate09:39
* apachelogger asks the lord google09:39
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzcLQRXW6B009:39
valoriedear lord I wouldn't want to quote wrongly!09:39
valorieThis is possibly the funniest conversation since man learnt the art of speech.09:43
Mamarokit would be nice to have the 0.3 vlc backend in the backports PPA09:43
valoriegreat comment09:43
valoriethanks for cheering me up09:43
CIA-24[pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213100234-yl69x5khmbkywrtx * D09custompool allow setting of custom pooldir10:03
CIA-24[pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213100437-8thh3ftwciy2ukjr * D09custompool create dists links in pool10:04
CIA-24[pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213100509-92cps2q6wlrx3n9r * D09custompool fail if cd to pooldir failed10:05
CIA-24[pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213100538-rx0gez1a7y87w5g1 * D09custompool typo--10:05
skamster_hello all..10:11
skamster_could someone tell me how i could make a akonadi-item to a contact-object?10:11
skamster_in pykde10:11
CIA-24[pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213101408-i6uy4dxkl6fxwbc8 * D09custompool install lsb-release, ideally this ought to be replaced by manually parsing /etc/lsbsomething10:14
CIA-24[pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213101955-zhl2fmhenebhapu4 * D09custompool there we go, good bye lsb-release, now manually grepping and cutting the distro codename10:20
RiddellJontheEchidna: http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/oxygen-gtk/1.0.0/src/oxygen-gtk-1.0.0.tar.bz210:21
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, phonon-backend-vlc doesn't show video with dragon11:55
Riddellwhich is worse than gstreamer backend which just garbles the audio11:55
apacheloggerwhut?12:11
apacheloggerwhut????12:11
apacheloggerwhaaaa?12:11
apacheloggeromg12:11
apachelogger!12:11
apacheloggerRiddell: have a 1010 package around?12:11
RiddellI'm afraid not12:11
apacheloggercannot test then :(12:14
apacheloggerRiddell: any debug output?12:14
* apachelogger notes that possibly surface rendering is getting in the way12:14
Riddelloh also dragon crashes on quitting12:16
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/fWZ96S1412:17
apacheloggerRiddell: that is because you did not patch pulse12:24
apachelogger[0x89bfe4c] stream_out_smem stream out error: Smem does only support raw video format12:25
apachelogger[0x890e0cc] main decoder error: cannot create packetizer output (theo)12:25
apacheloggerRiddell: that sounds like it is coming from VLC12:25
apacheloggervideoWidgetSizeChanged video width 0 height: 012:25
apacheloggerthat sounds wrong12:25
JontheEchidnaRiddell: yup, got that in yesterday13:29
JontheEchidnaNext bit of business is getting it an MIR and integrating it in to our scripts in kdebase-workspace13:32
ghostcubebeta and update ppa doesnt include restricted anymore, is this right my apt claims it allways on update13:41
=== jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna
Riddellghostcube: I don't know what you mean14:21
ghostcube:) if i update my apt it claims no restricted entries found in the ppa files, and when i look into the release files its only main now14:22
ghostcubeso i just ned to kill restricted in my sources.list?14:22
Riddellit's a PPA, it only has a main component14:23
ghostcubeyeah but it never give ou the warning before thats why iam asking14:23
=== bhargav_ is now known as kronos
CIA-24[ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101213142540-3qgqr2eciyhf4uoa * debian/ (2 files in 2 dirs) Remove the debian-changes-4:4.5.85 patch that snuck in last upload, reverting changes made to fix bashisms14:26
CIA-24[ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101213144811-m0rx9syqb6cizxjl * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Adapt kubuntu_52_gtk2_engines_qtcurve_config.diff for configuring the new gtk2-engines-oxygen theme, and rename to kubuntu_52_gtk2_engines_oxygen_config.diff14:48
JontheEchidnaman, k-d-s take sa long time to branch14:50
_Groo_hi/2 all14:53
_Groo_whos the maintainer of the qtcurve package in kubuntu?14:53
JontheEchidna_Groo_: I've been known to touch it from time to time14:58
CIA-24[ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101213145928-555wzo8z2l5ks97d * (3 files in 2 dirs) Rename gtk2-engines-qtcurve.rc.sh to gtk2-engines-oxygen.rc.sh, basically changing the default theme from QtCurve to Oxygen-GTK ### Plz wait for gtk2-engines-oxygen MIR before uploading ###14:59
ari-tczewRiddell: could you approve clementine in NEW as archive admin?15:01
JontheEchidnahey, we can sync gtk2-engines-qtcurve 1.8.1 from debian now that we're switching ot oxygen-gtk15:01
* JontheEchidna files sync request15:01
Riddellari-tczew: I'll do archive admin bits tomorrow (unless it needs to get in today)15:16
ari-tczewRiddell: thanks!15:16
CIA-24[muon] jmthomas * 1206145 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/PackageModel/PackageWidget.cpp (log message trimmed)15:18
CIA-24Don't enable the search widget before the package list is populated, so that it15:18
CIA-24is impossible to try to search before the backend has initialized. (And crash)15:18
skamster_hello all, could someone tell me how i could use the KABC::VCardConverter-object?15:47
skamster_it's not included in pykde, if i look the right way (don't know why)15:47
skamster_or another way to make from a akonadi-item a vcard-item..15:53
skamster_it should be possible, i think.. if not, which sense does akonadi make?15:53
ari-tczewdo your icons on panels work fine?15:57
ari-tczewI click on them and doesn't work :/15:57
ari-tczew(natty)15:58
Riddellari-tczew: yes16:03
Riddellskamster_: hmm, I'm not sure kdepimlibs has bindings16:03
Riddellalthough that seems like something that should have bindings16:03
skamster_Riddell: and there are no other ways to convert akonadi-items?16:20
dasKreechwhat happened to the UO KDE code that apachelogger was writing?16:20
skamster_they're not very useable, when they're just items :s16:20
Riddellskamster_: best ask on the kde-bindings mailing list if there really aren't bindings for kdepimlibs16:26
mfraz74If I add a new wireless connection there doesn't seem to be a way of setting the "system connection" option16:39
mfraz74is there something i'm missing?16:39
RiddellI don't think it's implemented16:41
mfraz74Riddell: oh :(16:42
mfraz74are there plans to implement it?16:43
Riddellyou'd need to ask the developers (assuming there are any)16:46
mfraz74any idea who they are?16:48
ari-tczewRiddell: my icons on panel don't work anymore after upgrade to **85 version17:07
JontheEchidnaari-tczew: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25941017:25
ubottuKDE bug 259410 in general "Icon plasmoid is not clickable" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]17:25
JontheEchidnafixed for the next 4.6 prerelease17:25
ari-tczewthanks JontheEchidna. my patience is exposed to test.17:27
JontheEchidnaari-tczew: looking at the code, if you lock the plasma widgets clicking should work as a workaround. (Right click panel ->lock widgets)17:28
ari-tczewJontheEchidna: yes! thanks17:29
kronosapachelogger: ping17:31
dasKreechdoes anyone know if i have the same kernel but a different build number if I can compile against the source and it will cause problems?18:22
dasKreechGah18:23
CIA-24[libqapt] jmthomas * 1206171 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/worker.cpp SVN_SILENT: Stylistic changes18:39
* yofel wonders who did the dpkg sync() benchmarks and said those made it 20% slower..18:39
yofelI timed installing kubuntu-desktop in natty pbuilder and got:18:40
yofeldpkg defaults: real    18m54.507s18:40
yofeldpkg with force-unsafe-io: real    8m37.716s18:40
yofeltest done on my old notebook, did they use a WD Raptor to do the benchmarks o.O?18:41
ScottKSigh.19:06
ScottKJontheEchidna: You've looked into ktorrent stuff in the past, right?  It looks like it needs a header file that's no longer shipped in kdebase-workspace as of 4.5.85 (see the armel build log, but powermanager.h is missing on all archs now).19:07
JontheEchidnait'll need to adapt to the new API. libraries in kdebase-workspace have no upstream guarantee of being stable19:07
JontheEchidnaand the solid powermanagement stuff in kdebase-workspace changed entirely19:07
ScottKI suppose they know this already?19:13
JontheEchidnaI'd be very surprised if they didn't19:28
ScottKScribus is a PITA to fix, but I think I almost have it.19:57
ScottKqreal/double issue in kdeedu:20:00
ScottK../../../rocs/src/Core/Data.cpp:247:6: error: prototype for 'void Datum::setWidth(qreal)' does not match any in class 'Datum'20:00
ScottK../../../rocs/src/Core/Data.h:88:10: error: candidate is: void Datum::setWidth(double)20:00
ScottKapachelogger: Can you look at that one ^^^20:00
apacheloggerScottK: the cpp does not match with the header20:06
apacheloggerheader says qreal, cpp says double, compiler says OMG!!!20:06
ScottKapachelogger: Reasonably enough.  Which is correct?20:06
apacheloggerScottK: qreal I suppose20:07
ScottKCare to fix?20:07
apacheloggerScottK: busy right now20:07
ScottKSigh.20:07
ScottKRiddell: ^^^?20:07
apacheloggerScottK: one really just needs to change the line in cpp to say qreal :)20:08
ScottKOK.20:08
ScottKRight.20:08
ScottKOooh.  JontheEchidna: You have kdesvn account, right?20:09
ScottKCould you fix that in kdesvn and I'll fix it in Ubuntu?20:09
ScottKapachelogger: What I lack is the ability to commit the fix upstream.20:09
apacheloggerScottK: I can commit the fix quick enough20:10
ScottKOK.  Thanks.20:10
ScottKapachelogger: Are you building -workspace on the arm boxen?20:11
apacheloggeroh oh oh oh oh20:11
apacheloggerScottK: actually I cannot20:11
apacheloggeryes, I am building workspace20:11
ScottKOK.20:11
apacheloggerbut about the commit ... 20:12
ScottKapachelogger: Why not?20:12
apacheloggerone would have to know whether that is a public header20:12
ScottKSeems we'd want to know the same thing.20:12
apacheloggerbecause I am not sure changing it in a public header would exactly be compatible20:12
apacheloggerScottK: it isn't20:13
ScottKSo you can committ it?20:13
CIA-24[rocs] sitter * 1206189 * trunk/KDE/kdeedu/rocs/src/Core/Data.h align .h to .cpp, qreal is not a double on every arch (e.g. not on arm)20:15
ScottKThanks.20:18
ScottKapachelogger: While you're in the vicinity, looks like no one bothered to send http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdeedu/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_01_arm_needs_qreal.diff upstream either.20:24
ScottKWould you committ that one too please.20:24
CIA-24[rocs] sitter * 1206194 * trunk/KDE/kdeedu/rocs/src/GraphicsItem/math_constants.h s/double/qreal fix from kubuntu for arm building20:26
yofelapachelogger: want to add that to the pbuilder hooks? http://paste.ubuntu.com/543277/20:41
apacheloggeryofel: what is that doing?20:45
yofelapachelogger: disables sync() in dpkg when upacking files20:46
CIA-24[pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101213204700-q7vopmixucd7zv2i * (D11unsafeio D09custompool) magic by Philip Muškovac to disable sync() calls in dpkg20:47
ScottKapachelogger: Thanks again.20:54
apacheloggeryw20:55
Riddellhttp://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/kubuntu-10-10-review/2/  Verdict: 4/522:06
ScottKapachelogger: Any thoughts on http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60502123/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-powerpc.kdenetwork_4:4.5.85a-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz - The file listed in the build log hasn't changed since 4.5.22:10
yofel"... and, unfortunately, has the same issue of forcing non-technical users to store their entire file system in a single root partition" - the installer can overwrite system files, so what's the point in seperating /home?22:11
ScottKyofel: There isn't really one, but there used to be.  He's making present virtue out of past necessity.22:13
yofelright22:13
ScottKnixternal: PPC box?22:19
ScottKOK.  I think Scribus is fixed.22:26
valorieRiddell: that review is rather crap!23:57
valoriehe takes a point because we don't have Software Center?23:58
valoriesoftware center drove me insane, in the day I had to use it23:58
valorieugh23:58
valorienew kpackagekit is better, IMO23:59

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